Posted: Thu Sep 09, 2021 2:05 pm
If anyone says Tracker should claim and then specifically mentions a Doc, it implies a Follow The Cop strat.
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Posted: Thu Sep 09, 2021 2:06 pm
I've been saying this for awhile now? Why are you surprised now?
Posted: Thu Sep 09, 2021 2:06 pm
If I softed doc I genuinely don't remember
What how is that a doc soft
What how is that a doc soft
Posted: Thu Sep 09, 2021 2:08 pm
In post 22, T3 wrote:BTW if there is a tracker you should claim now.
In post 41, T3 wrote:If there's no Tracker then we play normally. If there is a Tracker then if there's a Jailkweper they should Jail the Tracker. If there's a FN they should target the Tracker. If there's a Doctor they should protect the Tracker.In post 23, HockeyFan wrote:Why?
Once day 2 hapens we massclaim.
If Doctor/FN is run up to E-1 then just claim 'PR'.
How is this not a Doc soft? Why would I not think you were Doc here?In post 44, T3 wrote:Mafias don't know if there's a FN or a Doctor.
Posted: Thu Sep 09, 2021 2:09 pm
In post 93, T3 wrote:Yep Roden is locktown.In post 79, Roden wrote:I can't answer this unfortunately.In post 78, HockeyFan wrote:Okay you saying this implies that youIn post 77, Roden wrote:I think you'll just see as the game goes on. I'm sensing a spicy T3 play and scum might not be happy starting Day 2.wanttracker to claim d1 f1? If thats true, what do u think the benefit actually is in claiming tracker d1 f1?
SOUL MASONS
Did you think I knew you were using a strat from a completely different ongoing game?In post 133, T3 wrote:Roden knows exactly what is going on and he is locktown for that.In post 130, alstroemerial wrote:Okey dokey, here is where I am at.
I am getting strong town sense from Margot, contrary to what some others have said. It seems like she is really trying to sort -- some internal back and forth is good. I really liked 53 although I didn't check the math. It reads to me like a newbie who is really determined to put in the work.
Hockey is a town lean for me, though I disagree with the argument in 94 that withholding information isalwaysanti-town. If someone is trying to bait a trap or is an investigation role who doesn't want to share results until they have a guilty, etc, there are some cases where that's good to hold back. If T3 was trying to do a spicy town play, which is totally T3, then not spelling out the details is beneficial. But the way that he's making his argument reads town, even if I disagree with it. Although I just realized it could be scum trying to get info on what the play is. Still not enough to change my read though.
T3 is probably town for the exact reason that Hockey outlined -- it's a huge gambit for scum to do right out the gate, so it seems unlikely.
Roden is null. 77 struck me as weird as well, but I don't see why scum would town lock T3 after that risky play. Then again, he then went on to walk back that town lock in 91.
Clasko and Egix are null.
The Astra slot is a sliiiiight scum lean because even with so few posts and the swift replace out, it seemed like she might have been jumping on the LQ wagon, and her RVS vote was also a wagon.
LQ -- I get a bad sense from 125. It reads a bit like complaining about getting scumread with a liiitle smidgeon of omgus, especially considering they imply that T3's gambit isn't scummy in 57 before bringing in a little more setup speculation.
The main thing that gives me pause is the very fact that LQ is a wagon already. It could be a quick and easy miselim. I also have no interest in pushing anyone to E-1 right now, so I'll leave my vote on the Astra slot for now to put a little extra fire on whoever joins in.
Posted: Thu Sep 09, 2021 2:11 pm
okey
yes
yes
Posted: Thu Sep 09, 2021 2:15 pm
In post 79, Roden wrote:I can't answer this unfortunately.In post 78, HockeyFan wrote:Okay you saying this implies that youIn post 77, Roden wrote:I think you'll just see as the game goes on. I'm sensing a spicy T3 play and scum might not be happy starting Day 2.wanttracker to claim d1 f1? If thats true, what do u think the benefit actually is in claiming tracker d1 f1?
This is the earliest I directly mention power roles wrt T3. I don't know how I can make it clearer I thought you were Doc.In post 355, Roden wrote:In post 337, StrangeMatter wrote:I say Roden or you right now is my top two candidates for scum has to be you and the former is honestly better to flip than your slot. Roden elim. To me, getting some information involving the meta (of T3 and Roden) is probably more useful than eliminating you because of what some people here consider a slip.In post 333, Clasko wrote:Also wanna ask SM who their two strongest elimination candidates are rn for D1, and why?
I say two, because one is most likely me which you've hinted the potential reasons for in #279 and iterating that doesn't say much.Imagine threatening to vote a townie out because they refuse to out town power roles. This is such an overtly scummy thought process you might as well be scum claiming.In post 339, StrangeMatter wrote:Even if this flips green it means we still have some sort of information, so either way I think this vote is fine.
VOTE: Strange
Posted: Thu Sep 09, 2021 2:16 pm
How would I know about this strat though? I don't typically read ongoing games that I'm not a part of.
Posted: Thu Sep 09, 2021 2:19 pm
I thought you were like "hmmmmmm yes where did t3 get this strat and he won't say why
*looks at ongoing game'*
ok must be town"
VOTE: margot
*looks at ongoing game'*
ok must be town"
VOTE: margot
Posted: Thu Sep 09, 2021 3:48 pm
Figuring that either you or T3 must have been doc after you spelled it out was why I completely let it go part way through d1, and why I was completely thrown by the whole Alstro stuff on d2. I figured that I must have been completely wrong on my read of what the two of your plan was.In post 978, Roden wrote:In post 22, T3 wrote:BTW if there is a tracker you should claim now.In post 41, T3 wrote:If there's no Tracker then we play normally. If there is a Tracker then if there's a Jailkweper they should Jail the Tracker. If there's a FN they should target the Tracker. If there's a Doctor they should protect the Tracker.In post 23, HockeyFan wrote:Why?
Once day 2 hapens we massclaim.
If Doctor/FN is run up to E-1 then just claim 'PR'.How is this not a Doc soft? Why would I not think you were Doc here?In post 44, T3 wrote:Mafias don't know if there's a FN or a Doctor.
My point on d1 stands: I remain completely unconvinced as to why anyone would want tracker to claim d1 unless they were scum. I showed mathematically why it was a terrible idea. I let it go because I figured that I was new to forum games, that it was known that we had a doctor, and that the risk was more calculated than it was.
If tracker finds scum n1, tracker reveals d2 and it's the same result either way. If tracker doesn't, we get what happened here: tracker finds some people that can be labeled conf town that get nuked by scum as they are revealed, and then the tracker dies, and we're in a much worse situation than if tracker had not claimed and the conf town reads could be shared when there were too many for scum to kill before elo.
You're clearly scum T3, but genuinely interested in whether or not you can give a valid explanation for why it's not a terrible idea from Town perspective
VOTE: T3
Posted: Fri Sep 10, 2021 1:24 am
I read back through the explanation in that game, and it so transparently doesn't work lol.
Also very funny to me that part of the reason I dropped it was LQ pointing out it was site meta, despite it having been made up by a scum in one game, that one game being the previous newbie game lol
Also very funny to me that part of the reason I dropped it was LQ pointing out it was site meta, despite it having been made up by a scum in one game, that one game being the previous newbie game lol
Posted: Fri Sep 10, 2021 7:18 am
50/50 tracker dies there
anyways i would once again like to point out that i hammered lq
anyways i would once again like to point out that i hammered lq
Posted: Fri Sep 10, 2021 12:40 pm
Yeah, by all appearances completely accidentally, and while telling everyone in your post that LQ was Town lolIn post 986, T3 wrote:50/50 tracker dies there
anyways i would once again like to point out that i hammered lq
Posted: Fri Sep 10, 2021 1:54 pm
woops forgot this game existed. also lol im not dead..
ythan didnt retract well
ythan didnt retract well
Posted: Fri Sep 10, 2021 1:56 pm
also roden i still maybe do wanna sleep here?
like it does have a poiint of going on.
mafia doesnt have to kill me.
mafia can keep me alive because they would know i would vote against that person. its just more likely a wifom kill at that point. if they dont kill me and kill someone like t3 >> which is a smart play, then roden, if mafia, would have to force a to go against someone weaker etc etc
like it does have a poiint of going on.
mafia doesnt have to kill me.
mafia can keep me alive because they would know i would vote against that person. its just more likely a wifom kill at that point. if they dont kill me and kill someone like t3 >> which is a smart play, then roden, if mafia, would have to force a to go against someone weaker etc etc
Posted: Fri Sep 10, 2021 1:56 pm
but eh maf probably deos kill me
Posted: Fri Sep 10, 2021 2:00 pm
yall both look bad and good at the same time lol
Posted: Fri Sep 10, 2021 2:02 pm
there is a possibility where margot is a new player who forgot they had tmi to scum info and didnt know about doc so targeted tracker.
Posted: Fri Sep 10, 2021 2:04 pm
Posted: Fri Sep 10, 2021 6:50 pm
My whole point in 53 is about how good the chances are for scum targetting literally anyone but tracker if tracker was revealed. If I was scum, I literally laid out what my play would have been, and the maths of why, and it wasn't the play that happened. Ergo, I'm TownIn post 992, GrandpaMo wrote:there is a possibility where margot is a new player who forgot they had tmi to scum info and didnt know about doc so targeted tracker.
Posted: Sat Sep 11, 2021 1:15 am
I'm leaning towards Margot at this point since T3's ISO does add up with his explained thought process. He's also been gradually mistrusting of me which feels natural.
I wanted to vote Margot yesterday because of N1 scum actions not adding up for anyone but her and I'm still pretty sure I'm right about that. The only thing that gives me pause is that T3 could've chosen to no-kill N1, but I'm fairly certain he never directly targets the Tracker N1 because his plan relied on the chance of there being a Doc regardless of his alignment.
I wanted to vote Margot yesterday because of N1 scum actions not adding up for anyone but her and I'm still pretty sure I'm right about that. The only thing that gives me pause is that T3 could've chosen to no-kill N1, but I'm fairly certain he never directly targets the Tracker N1 because his plan relied on the chance of there being a Doc regardless of his alignment.
Posted: Sat Sep 11, 2021 12:42 pm
I'm so over this game lol. Just end it. I hope whoever is scum enjoys the win they pulled out of their arse
Posted: Sat Sep 11, 2021 2:05 pm
Honestly wondering if Roden is scum at this point lol. Spent too much time in the ISOs and going full galaxy brain
Posted: Sat Sep 11, 2021 2:21 pm
T3 spends half of d1 trying to defend LQ and push that he was Town when he so clearly wasn't. See: 217 297 554 and most infamously when accidentally hammering LQ 596
He also pushed the weird point about Clasko 'perspective slipping' in 220 which I just don't buy as an actual argument worth hanging a Town perspective vote on.
Also, worth pointing out that Strange's point in 282 feels like more of an important read than people gave it credit for. It feels like either way (though it's more than likely T3 in this instance), there is an innate understanding in both T3 and Roden that if you TR the other early, and stick to it, you've got an ally one way or the other throughout the entire game, irrespective of whether you're on the same team or not. I think it makes a lot of sense to me that T3 would go hard on TRing Roden early as Scum, especially after Roden TRd T3 for what we now know is a misread of T3's whole strategy.
I'm down in Georgia playing the fiddle against the devil, but he's using you as his instrument Roden.
He also pushed the weird point about Clasko 'perspective slipping' in 220 which I just don't buy as an actual argument worth hanging a Town perspective vote on.
Also, worth pointing out that Strange's point in 282 feels like more of an important read than people gave it credit for. It feels like either way (though it's more than likely T3 in this instance), there is an innate understanding in both T3 and Roden that if you TR the other early, and stick to it, you've got an ally one way or the other throughout the entire game, irrespective of whether you're on the same team or not. I think it makes a lot of sense to me that T3 would go hard on TRing Roden early as Scum, especially after Roden TRd T3 for what we now know is a misread of T3's whole strategy.
I'm down in Georgia playing the fiddle against the devil, but he's using you as his instrument Roden.
Posted: Sat Sep 11, 2021 2:34 pm
margot has such extreme conviction bc sheknows if she lims me she wins