In post 966, MalcolmTucker wrote:I do feel like it's quite inconsistent that Roden has gone in on FL for changing their read on them but not other players who have done similar at other points in the game. Koopa did this once or twice before their role claim. NK had Mala down as "obvious" scum early on but then completely backpedalled on the basis of one missed post that I personally don't think changed a lot. Why solely the focus on the player who suspected them?
This is actually my biggest issue with Leaf and why I think he's scum. The narrative got switched around to me being mad I got scum read and that I scum read him for changing his read. But that was never the case, and it's pretty clear that was never the case if you just look at my original post that was directed at him in context.
I'm open to being convinced otherwise but I'm really not sure that Flavor's switch-up on their read of you was particularly out of the norm - as I say it happens in every game and it's happened with other players. I'm still hesitant to SR you fully though because if you're mafia, like I said before, I'm not sure you'd have pushed back at Flavor on this considering it's put you under more pressure than you otherwise would have been now.
Nobody in this game has caught me as scum on site before. JacksonVirgo 'might' have, and they have seen me as scum and scum read me correctly before, but idk if they 'caught' me. I mightve won all those games.
Malakittens I met in person in 2014 at a meetup, so she might've caught me as scum.
I haven't played much with many of the others in this game. Scorpious a few here and there, and then NK15 I've played in some of his modded games.
But yeah.
U have definitely changed play styles since my haitus, but I do remember being able to read you transparently
In post 921, koopashell wrote:I think this is the real reason you find me wolfy:
I am loud.
I have opinions.
I talk a lot.
I am not afraid to change.
Did I mention loud?
You see me post a lot, and with an aggressive tone and you are scared.
That's the reason.
I doubt you will admit that, or rather, have the level of insight able to figure that out - but your level of reading is extremely ineffective towards my playstyle as it fails to take into account context.
What is shocking is you are not at the same time pushing FL here too.
I hate lists.. They’re a scum tell to me..
How are they a wolftell?
Do you believe you're the greatest mafia player of all time and somehow figured out an ultimate tell? Somehow every other town player
FL also has done lists - that make them wolf too?
Trying to push these kinds of tells is extemely unfun to play with - because they are NONSENISCAL.
If it really is a "tell" - wolves wouldn't do it after some time.
You are making this game not as fun from my point of view by trying to tie what can be *proven* to be not a wolftell via simple statistics.. I can ask any great town player I know(SPF, macdougal, askthepizzaguy, etc.) And they'd all tell you that trying to tell people that "making a list" is wolfy is a ridiculous concept.
I have 0 hope in adjusting your play here but I fear you are going to be taken easily to a limlo situation and you will end up using these tells to lose us the game.
Tl;dr - learn what real wolftells are please and stop pushing the list angle because I will keep doing them as expressing my thoughts on the game openly is conducive to making other villagers see my thoughts.
I don't like being shipped with random ppl i don't know.
sorrynotsorry.
In post 41, humaneatingmonkey wrote:i also think malakittens is addressing JV as if they already know JV is town and is trying to get their trust. that's a very weak read tho, and it seems like there's background there.
I have played with JV twiceso far; both times I have been scum. So there's the potential that he might vote me right off the bat which is fair considering that I been scum twice so far now against him.
i think you're trying to get us to townread you earlier by declaring to lim you right there and then — and assuming Roden is with good intentions trying to push you
it tracks with the idea that you wanted JV to townread you — and assuming that the slot is town
Ok HEM basically said what I meant but more concisely.
Roden did seem to agree with HEM a lot very early on and was more than happy to give a TR for something I don't think was particularly alignment indicative.
For Roden directly - given HEM initially suggested they'd employ a more lurky posting style, and given you felt like this was town, do you find it suspicious at all that they've not ended up following through on that?
I don't think it's particularly indicative for either HEM or Flavor who initially wanted to sit back a bit before very much taking over as the main town voice, but it was clearly of some importance to you.
I think HEM has been lurky compared to his past games so I don't find it particularly suspicious. We have similar reads so I don't see much of a reason to distrust him.
Also I get why people are forming associative reads around the two of us, it's probably the most straightforward read you can make to assume two people with similar reads and positioning are potential buddies. It's a bad take though to assume either one of us would be bold enough to openly associate with each other but not bold enough to try to power wolf and force wagons through. You can look through my scum meta as well if you want to see if openly buddying a partner is something I'm liable to do.
In post 966, MalcolmTucker wrote:I do feel like it's quite inconsistent that Roden has gone in on FL for changing their read on them but not other players who have done similar at other points in the game. Koopa did this once or twice before their role claim. NK had Mala down as "obvious" scum early on but then completely backpedalled on the basis of one missed post that I personally don't think changed a lot. Why solely the focus on the player who suspected them?
This is actually my biggest issue with Leaf and why I think he's scum. The narrative got switched around to me being mad I got scum read and that I scum read him for changing his read. But that was never the case, and it's pretty clear that was never the case if you just look at my original post that was directed at him in context.
I'm open to being convinced otherwise but I'm really not sure that Flavor's switch-up on their read of you was particularly out of the norm - as I say it happens in every game and it's happened with other players. I'm still hesitant to SR you fully though because if you're mafia, like I said before, I'm not sure you'd have pushed back at Flavor on this considering it's put you under more pressure than you otherwise would have been now.
In post 966, MalcolmTucker wrote:I do feel like it's quite inconsistent that Roden has gone in on FL for changing their read on them but not other players who have done similar at other points in the game. Koopa did this once or twice before their role claim. NK had Mala down as "obvious" scum early on but then completely backpedalled on the basis of one missed post that I personally don't think changed a lot. Why solely the focus on the player who suspected them?
This is actually my biggest issue with Leaf and why I think he's scum. The narrative got switched around to me being mad I got scum read and that I scum read him for changing his read. But that was never the case, and it's pretty clear that was never the case if you just look at my original post that was directed at him in context.
I'm open to being convinced otherwise but I'm really not sure that Flavor's switch-up on their read of you was particularly out of the norm - as I say it happens in every game and it's happened with other players. I'm still hesitant to SR you fully though because if you're mafia, like I said before, I'm not sure you'd have pushed back at Flavor on this considering it's put you under more pressure than you otherwise would have been now.
You're...seriously just not listening...
I am listening, I just don't think the mafia reads on Flavor are particularly strong, especially when HEM is my strongest mafia read.
Posted: Sun Apr 17, 2022 10:20 am
by koopashell
In post 983, Scorpious wrote:Someone please support Koopa before they completely meltdown.
Has anyone here ever seen Koopa over reacting so much? Like, is it playstyle?
I do not recognize anyone here from MU other than a vague memory of Mathblade, so doubtful.
Nobody in this game has caught me as scum on site before. JacksonVirgo 'might' have, and they have seen me as scum and scum read me correctly before, but idk if they 'caught' me. I mightve won all those games.
Malakittens I met in person in 2014 at a meetup, so she might've caught me as scum.
I haven't played much with many of the others in this game. Scorpious a few here and there, and then NK15 I've played in some of his modded games.
But yeah.
U have definitely changed play styles since my haitus, but I do remember being able to read you transparently
Tbt when we met tho
I believe I was like 19 then, so just overall changed most likely. 8 years ago, wow.
I could see you still being able to read me well. I think even back then you were still more likely to read me more transparently than others.
In post 983, Scorpious wrote:Someone please support Koopa before they completely meltdown.
Has anyone here ever seen Koopa over reacting so much? Like, is it playstyle?
I do not recognize anyone here from MU other than a vague memory of Mathblade, so doubtful.
I've seen multiple people over here from MU that I've learned how to tell just by feeling out the playstyle.
I think it's helped me read you whereas a lot of others here are gonna think your scummy for it.
Quick bio break from Easter activities but I find it very weird that Koopa claims to know me from MU when I play on MU as a different name and haven’t played on MU in a year or two easy. Maybe three.
In post 966, MalcolmTucker wrote:I do feel like it's quite inconsistent that Roden has gone in on FL for changing their read on them but not other players who have done similar at other points in the game. Koopa did this once or twice before their role claim. NK had Mala down as "obvious" scum early on but then completely backpedalled on the basis of one missed post that I personally don't think changed a lot. Why solely the focus on the player who suspected them?
This is actually my biggest issue with Leaf and why I think he's scum. The narrative got switched around to me being mad I got scum read and that I scum read him for changing his read. But that was never the case, and it's pretty clear that was never the case if you just look at my original post that was directed at him in context.
I'm open to being convinced otherwise but I'm really not sure that Flavor's switch-up on their read of you was particularly out of the norm - as I say it happens in every game and it's happened with other players. I'm still hesitant to SR you fully though because if you're mafia, like I said before, I'm not sure you'd have pushed back at Flavor on this considering it's put you under more pressure than you otherwise would have been now.
You're...seriously just not listening...
I am listening, I just don't think the mafia reads on Flavor are particularly strong, especially when HEM is my strongest mafia read.
Easiest way to prove you’re listening and help me catch up is summarize the argument. I didn’t get Boon scumreads from what I have interacted with so far.
Nobody in this game has caught me as scum on site before. JacksonVirgo 'might' have, and they have seen me as scum and scum read me correctly before, but idk if they 'caught' me. I mightve won all those games.
Malakittens I met in person in 2014 at a meetup, so she might've caught me as scum.
I haven't played much with many of the others in this game. Scorpious a few here and there, and then NK15 I've played in some of his modded games.
But yeah.
U have definitely changed play styles since my haitus, but I do remember being able to read you transparently
Tbt when we met tho
I believe I was like 19 then, so just overall changed most likely. 8 years ago, wow.
I could see you still being able to read me well. I think even back then you were still more likely to read me more transparently than others.
In regards to this I have caught FL scum before but tend to lean towards scumreading him by default because he’s good. The fact Boon town pings me means he’s probably town so I am interested in the arguments to see if it’s a scum push or misguided Townie.
Nobody in this game has caught me as scum on site before. JacksonVirgo 'might' have, and they have seen me as scum and scum read me correctly before, but idk if they 'caught' me. I mightve won all those games.
Malakittens I met in person in 2014 at a meetup, so she might've caught me as scum.
I haven't played much with many of the others in this game. Scorpious a few here and there, and then NK15 I've played in some of his modded games.
But yeah.
U have definitely changed play styles since my haitus, but I do remember being able to read you transparently
Tbt when we met tho
I believe I was like 19 then, so just overall changed most likely. 8 years ago, wow.
I could see you still being able to read me well. I think even back then you were still more likely to read me more transparently than others.
In regards to this I have caught FL scum before but tend to lean towards scumreading him by default because he’s good. The fact Boon town pings me means he’s probably town so I am interested in the arguments to see if it’s a scum push or misguided Townie.
My general view on this as a fellow FL town-reader is that there's almost certainly a mix - the wagon on FL felt too sudden and surprising for me when reading through for it not to be partially orchestrated by mafia.
In post 921, koopashell wrote:I think this is the real reason you find me wolfy:
I am loud.
I have opinions.
I talk a lot.
I am not afraid to change.
Did I mention loud?
You see me post a lot, and with an aggressive tone and you are scared.
That's the reason.
I doubt you will admit that, or rather, have the level of insight able to figure that out - but your level of reading is extremely ineffective towards my playstyle as it fails to take into account context.
What is shocking is you are not at the same time pushing FL here too.
I hate lists.. They’re a scum tell to me..
How are they a wolftell?
Do you believe you're the greatest mafia player of all time and somehow figured out an ultimate tell? Somehow every other town player
FL also has done lists - that make them wolf too?
Trying to push these kinds of tells is extemely unfun to play with - because they are NONSENISCAL.
If it really is a "tell" - wolves wouldn't do it after some time.
You are making this game not as fun from my point of view by trying to tie what can be *proven* to be not a wolftell via simple statistics.. I can ask any great town player I know(SPF, macdougal, askthepizzaguy, etc.) And they'd all tell you that trying to tell people that "making a list" is wolfy is a ridiculous concept.
I have 0 hope in adjusting your play here but I fear you are going to be taken easily to a limlo situation and you will end up using these tells to lose us the game.
Tl;dr - learn what real wolftells are please and stop pushing the list angle because I will keep doing them as expressing my thoughts on the game openly is conducive to making other villagers see my thoughts.
Woah… easy tiger
How about just no? I do not care for this particular conversation especially if scum aren’t paying attention.
