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UNVOTE:

VOTE: Bella

In post 967, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:What is unlikely?

That Spartan could revisit D2

I realize what he’s actually saying there but still thought it was funny

So, how about moving your vote off of me?

In post 978, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:So, how about moving your vote off of me?

In post 971, Somnus wrote:No. We had yesterday to eliminate the slot that is either open-wolfing or town gamethrowing and we somehow didn't. Bella is not the vote today, and your reluctance to eliminate a slot that should have been sorted by now that would sort literally three out of the seven slots is giving me pause.

Way too quick for this. Did you really expect everybody to just go along? Like I said, this is a collaborative effort. Towns don’t hang wolves of BBT’s caliber unless they are United.

Keep burying them. It’s all you can do and maybe Rad will come around

Sorry. Towns don’t “eliminate” wolves of BBT caliber unless they are together.

Wolves of BBTs caliber.

That's funny.

In post 970, Rad wrote:Whiskey, somnus, you have scum read on Bella too? How about it? Red flip Bella and we can start talking about scum team bbt potential.

Like I said earlier my personal read on Bella isn’t scum but I could just be wrong. The more I think and look back the more I feel a bit pocketed. Read my D2 posts and see how BBT/Bella react to them compared to how they react to you calling Cheap an easy vote.

Ask yourself - if BBT is town, why have they done the things they have done? Why wagon people to E-1? Why let a person’s who alignment you don’t know coax you into hammering another player whose alignment you also don’t know? Their play is the perfect blend of open wolfing with a dose of WIFOM for everything. If they are Town - what about just not doing anti-Town shit? If their best defense for wagoning so many people is “Cheap did it too” then I find that very lacking.

Spartan died for a reason. He was an outed VT more or less so scum (who would know there is a doc or not) killed him over doc hunting. Why?? It has to be his reads.

3/4 of Spartan’s last posts all feature theories that make BBT scum. Occam’s Razor here. Is it a setup or is it just obvious?

And even in a world where this is C1 it STILL means he was killed for his reads. Even more so.

In post 983, whiskey delta wrote: Like I said earlier my personal read on Bella isn’t scum but I could just be wrong. The more I think and look back the more I feel a bit pocketed. Read my D2 posts and see how BBT/Bella react to them compared to how they react to you calling Cheap an easy vote.

Ask yourself - if BBT is town, why have they done the things they have done? Why wagon people to E-1? Why let a person’s who alignment you don’t know coax you into hammering another player whose alignment you also don’t know? Their play is the perfect blend of open wolfing with a dose of WIFOM for everything. If they are Town - what about just not doing anti-Town shit? If their best defense for wagoning so many people is “Cheap did it too” then I find that very lacking.

Spartan died for a reason. He was an outed VT more or less so scum (who would know there is a doc or not) killed him over doc hunting. Why?? It has to be his reads.

There is so much wrong with this post, Whiskey. Will get to it when I can

I'm out for a few hours and guys give me wo and a half more pages to catch up on. This is definitely different than I remember.

Whiskey, your personal read on Bella is town, and I've said I can't read her, but has that slot been under any real pressure this game?

In post 982, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:Wolves of BBTs caliber.

That's funny.

Nothing personal. You don’t seem the type that go down without a fight

I don't. Usually.

But when people who were town reading you, and whom you were town reading start pushing you, you got to accept you fucked up somewhere.

@Rad, why Bella right now? If it's BBT/Bella it makes more sense to go BBT today. If it's Somnus/X and this is a gambit, it still makes more sense to go BBT today.

Make your thoughts clear here fren.

In post 987, Corwinoid wrote:I'm out for a few hours and guys give me wo and a half more pages to catch up on. This is definitely different than I remember.

Whiskey, your personal read on Bella is town, and I've said I can't read her, but has that slot been under any real pressure this game?

Is/was Town? Before the end of D1 I had them up there with Rad as my TRs. Depends on what you mean by pressure. The only person I remember voting them D1 was Rad so not much by way of wagon

If BBT flips red that clears a lot of people and pretty much only leaves Bella who should be turbo elimmed the next Day. That alone is good reason for a BBT elim

In post 991, whiskey delta wrote:

In post 987, Corwinoid wrote:I'm out for a few hours and guys give me wo and a half more pages to catch up on. This is definitely different than I remember.

Whiskey, your personal read on Bella is town, and I've said I can't read her, but has that slot been under any real pressure this game?

Is/was Town? Before the end of D1 I had them up there with Rad as my TRs. Depends on what you mean by pressure. The only person I remember voting them D1 was Rad so not much by way of wagon

If BBT flips red that clears a lot of people and pretty much only leaves Bella who should be turbo elimmed the next Day. That alone is good reason for a BBT elim

That's exactly what I was thinking, but I'm really curious why Rad's back on Bella now also.

In post 983, whiskey delta wrote: The more I think and look back the more I feel a bit pocketed. Read my D2 posts and see how BBT/Bella react to them compared to how they react to you calling Cheap an easy vote.

Can you talk more about this, Whiskey?

In post 983, whiskey delta wrote:Ask yourself - if BBT is town, why have they done the things they have done? Why wagon people to E-1? Why let a person’s who alignment you don’t know coax you into hammering another player whose alignment you also don’t know? Their play is the perfect blend of open wolfing with a dose of WIFOM for everything. If they are Town - what about just not doing anti-Town shit? If their best defense for wagoning so many people is “Cheap did it too” then I find that very lacking.

Spartan died for a reason. He was an outed VT more or less so scum (who would know there is a doc or not) killed him over doc hunting. Why?? It has to be his reads.

To gain reads? I got a shit ton of info and reads from pushing those wagons D1. A lot of that stuff becomes even more relevant later in the game when you have had flips, too.

Nobody coaxed me into hammering Vasex. I was already voting him, unvoted when he was at L-1 because I became doubtful and then stated intent once he was back to L-1 with other potential wagons being spoken about.

What is this open wolfing narrative?? I don't understand, is it too scummy to be scum? That anti-town part is insulting - how have I been anti-town?

How did I defend my wagoning with Cheap did it too? Why aren't people reading my fucking posts. I said that Somnus' case relies on many things that are simply untrue or misrepped. One such thing is that 'Bella/BBT are scum because wagons!' I'm saying why Bella/BBT scum only and not Cheap who did the exact same thing? Why not Bella/Cheap? Why not BBT/Cheap? Why does Cheap, who did the exact same thing, not get the exact same read? Because it doesn't fit the narrative Somnus is pushing but nobody is reading so who gives a fuck.

Spartan died because he was town. Why are you so sure scum killed Spartan over Doc hunting? In fact, where does any of that thought process come from? Are you implying there is a Doctor?

Pedit - Can we stop pushing pre flip associations, I fucking hate Newbie games.

If BBT flips green you just lost your best chance at winning this game.

I’m implying that regardless of the setup that Spartan was killed for his reads and not a PR hunt. If scum know there is a doctor they willingly shot at someone they had reason to believe wasn’t it. If scum know there isn’t a doctor, then why not kill the guy who is closest in their reads (and TR)? The BBT/Bella thing is secondary to just BBT!scum. Some actions are defensible but like I said when D2 broke if BBT is scum it’s because of the things Spartan was pointing out. The more I look at his ISO the more convinced I am. You seem the sort to kill your biggest threat. I respect the hell out of it, honestly.

What did Spartan point out? BBT is scum because Cheap is scum? Oh yeah, more of that pre flip association scum hunting. Good stuff. Good stuff.

In post 994, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:If BBT flips green you just lost your best chance at winning this game.

You’re not dead yet.

I mean, I'd argue 2 out of 3 of Spartan's last posts were talking about Cheap!Scum as opposed to BBT!Scum but whatever. Doesn't fit the narrative so ignore again.

In post 992, Corwinoid wrote:

In post 991, whiskey delta wrote:

In post 987, Corwinoid wrote:I'm out for a few hours and guys give me wo and a half more pages to catch up on. This is definitely different than I remember.

Whiskey, your personal read on Bella is town, and I've said I can't read her, but has that slot been under any real pressure this game?

Is/was Town? Before the end of D1 I had them up there with Rad as my TRs. Depends on what you mean by pressure. The only person I remember voting them D1 was Rad so not much by way of wagon

If BBT flips red that clears a lot of people and pretty much only leaves Bella who should be turbo elimmed the next Day. That alone is good reason for a BBT elim

That's exactly what I was thinking, but I'm really curious why Rad's back on Bella now also.

Rad is Town. I’m not going back on that read.