Mini 742 Monopoly Mafia - Game Over!

[charter]

vote Braeden

You guys want to nameclaim? (Not your role, just name) I find in situations such as this it can be very helpful.

[charter]

Just claim the names. It's possible to catch scum easily after doing it. (of course still possible without, but I find it makes it easier for them to slip up)

[charter]

It takes freaking seven votes for a lynch, three is nothing. FOS all those getting their panties in a bunch over three lousy votes.

Any thoughts on nameclaim? I'm all for it.

[charter]

Is that a serious vote yawetag?

[charter]

That doesn't answer my question. Was there serious backing to that vote or was it a joke?

[charter]

Yes or no.

Cmon, this isn't twenty questions.

[charter]

I love bandwagoning in the RVS.

Yes or No?

[charter]

unvote, vote yawetag

FOS Nightfall. Six posts and said nothing. Trying to fit in with the rest of the town.

[charter]

Gamma is obvtown, why vote for him instead of Nightfall?

[charter]

Why is everyone calling other people obv town.

I wasn't serious about Gamma, it's obviously too early to determine these things.

vote: gamma

yawetog is obv noobtown

I don't take noobtown as a reason.

Yes, especially if this isn't a newbie game.

[charter]

Yes, that votecount is pretty off

yawetag could use more votes though.

But saying I'm a noob doesn't fly if it's not a noob game.

[charter]

MOD, can you confirm that that votecount is accurate?

If that is the right votecount, I think some people need to come clean about what may or may not be affecting their votes.

[charter]

My vote is who I'm voting for in the votecount. This is not the case with others. If they can explain this I think it might be a good idea.

[charter]

No, I mean why the vote count continually doesn't reflect who people have voted for. It might just be a mistake in the votecount, but if not, I think we need to discuss whether those with screwy votes explain why.

My vote is on you because you need pressure (incidently you need more votes on you too).

[charter]

You want me to show evidence where claiming names leads to catching scum? Or do you want to just assume everything I do is scummy?

About all but one of your points there about everyone is not scummy or you are wrong about. Sorry.

[charter]

You guys want to nameclaim? (Not your role, just name) I find in situations such as this it can be very helpful.

Possibly rolefishing. There is no way to know what names the scum might have as opposed to what names power roles might have. Even if we didn't nameclaim (which I do not support) the scum might have an easier time guessing who has a powerrole based on how they react to this suggestion.

Not rolefishing, also stems from the assumption that this suggestion has no pro town benefits. Also contradict yourself.

Vote: charter

bandwagoning scum

wait THAT'S WHAT EYE'M DOING?!?!?!

unvote, vote: Empking's alt because I don't like alts

lol sorry.

Vote: Jebus

for bandwagoning ever more than charter.

Fakevotes charter and Empking for joke reasons, then actually votes Jebus. Suspicious maybe, but too bizzarre to be genuinely scummy.

Random, not suspicious.

Is that a serious vote yawetag?

Are all of the other votes serious?

Right now, it will stay. There's been absolutely no game play yet, and until I see something to change my mind, I won't move it. That said, I'm almost positive *something* will change my mind.

That doesn't answer my question. Was there serious backing to that vote or was it a joke?

There was obviously nothing serious about yawetag's vote. There is a good chance that charter is trying to find an excuse to suspect yawetag here.

He provided a reason with his vote, I wanted to know if he meant that as a serious vote since he had previously posted but had not voted. Since he had already provided content you cannot assume it's a joke. And I'm looking for reasons to suspect people, not "excuses". Had he said yes that would have been a good reason to suspect him. It's called scumhunting.

unvote, vote yawetag

Why don't you be a good boy and answer his question?

I do not like this vote at all. It's plainly obvious what yawetag was doing.

Contradictory. You don't like Gamma calling yawetag for calling out scummy behavior. (refusing to answer legit questions is scummy)

unvote, vote yawetag

FOS Nightfall. Six posts and said nothing. Trying to fit in with the rest of the town.

Why vote now? charter seems to have set himself up for this vote and followed through once Gamma backed him up and Jebus jumped on the bandwagon. The FoS on Nightfall is waaaaaay too early for the reason charter gave.

This is the only one of your points I'd say is an actual one. However I throw Fos's around like santa claus throws presents on christmas.

vote: gamma

yawetog is obv noobtown

I don't take noobtown as a reason.

Yes, especially if this isn't a newbie game.

Gamma and charter are both wrong. If you don't take into account everything you know about a person (in this case, experience) you're either opening yourself to all kinds of mistakes

or

putting together an easy lynch.

No, this will allow anyone to get away with anything because they've done it before. I've lied heavily as town, does that mean I should get to lie freely this game? Not at all.

[charter]

I find it interesting that you would assume I was contradicting myself there shortly after Spolium asked for clarification on that comment.

I told you there were flaws in your post right after you made it. I take it you are assuming what I was suggesting has no pro town benefits? Interesting that you take the stance that what I say has to be scummy...

K, let's work backwards a bit here. What do you mean by "serious vote?"

One with a serious reason for it... (I felt that was clear from before, but whatever)

Obviously I don't think the question is as legit as you think it is. I think it's more likely that a townie would understand what yawetag was doing rather than question him and then punish him with a vote. I think Gamma jumped the gun with that vote. I don't think that's necessarily suspicious at this point in the game, I just pointed this out as a general note. How is this contradictory? I don't see it.

You can read yawetags mind but no one else's.

So you admit the yawetag vote was suspiciously timed?

No, it isn't. If you equate bandwagoning with being scum, you got some learning to do.

You want me to show evidence where claiming names leads to catching scum? Or do you want to just assume everything I do is scummy?

Charter, can you please explain what you just said here?
Reword it maybe? The way I read it you could be saying two different things.

He was assuming my suggestion was scummy without considering the benefits to it. I was offering to show them, though I guess by his lack of answer he is not interested in seeing pro town benefits to massnameclaim.

[charter]

Yes, but I believe the benefits outweigh the risks based on past experience.

[charter]

Ok, well since no one else wants to do it, I'll explain how it works so you guys know for future games. Sometimes when you mass nameclaim scum try to propose theories on who could be scum and who couldn't based solely off names. Townies also do this, but it's possible to tell the difference and catch scum proposing theories to lead the town astray.

[charter]

What?

[charter]

At the same time those same people that you could peg as scum for thinking one way could just as easily be townies no?

Sometimes when you mass nameclaim scum try to propose theories on who could be scum and who couldn't based solely off names. Townies also do this,

but it's possible to tell the difference

and catch scum proposing theories to lead the town astray.

What?

I assume you're talking to me. I'll ask a little differently.

You state that by roleclaiming, both scum and town have fun analyzing the names, but it's "possible to tell the difference."

In a normal game where roleclaiming isn't done, both scum and town typically analyze what people say to make suspicions and votes.

Would you agree both of those statements are true?

I don't know what you mean by "have fun analyzing", I don't really analyze what people actually nameclaim, I analyze what people say after a nameclaim. The second one is true.

[charter]

Oh, and still FOS nightfall.

[charter]

Would you now say that both of my statements are correct?

I suppose.

96- Dumb post, trying to outguess mod.
98- See above.
99- No.

[charter]

If that's not a blatent twist of the actual facts, shoot me now.

It has the same overall point in that it helps catch scum. Once again, you are assuming that my suggestion has no protown benefit, you don't even care to see them. From past experience, scum got NOTHING out massnameclaim but town was able to catch them.

And did I say I don't want to do "general scumhunting"? No I did not.

So take your wrong assumptions, throw them out the window, and try again.

[charter]

So you're admitting you're voting me for a bullshit reason then?

[charter]

And I'm saying that's a bullshit reason because you never once considered the benefits it might have. You just used my suggestion as an excuse to vote me.

And nothing about my suggestion or massnameclaim interferes with "normal scumhunting".

[charter]

Ok, since no one will listen to the reason I suggested it, either lynch me for a complete bullshit reason or drop it.

I wasn't advocating it to play outguess, I wasn't advocating it to replace scumhunting, I was advocating it to analyze how people reacted after we did it. That's how you catch scum, not playing outguess.

[charter]

either lynch me for a complete bullshit reason or drop it.

[charter]

Congratulations, you guys just lynched a power role.

[charter]

Oh, so it was just six, my bad.

[charter]

Jebus, why the unvote?

[charter]

True, but I only said that because I thought I was lynched and you would see my role shortly. I'm not going to claim now because the wagon on me is still BS and you all are still going to either lynch me for nothing or drop it and my role really has nothing to do with it. Me claiming now would be like claiming out of the blue.

I think Gamma needs to be looked at, he seemed pretty pissed that a lynch he was a part of happened. Also Jebus needs to come in with why he unvoted. Yawetag is still highly suspect.

[charter]

WHAT PART OF I DIDNT FUCKING WANT EVERYONE TO ROLECLAIM DO YOU NOT FUCKING UNDERSTAND?

I SAID NAMECLAIM. THIS IS WHEN YOU CLAIM YOUR NAME. NOT YOUR ROLE. I SPECIFICALLY SAID THIS NUMEROUS TIMES.

I bolded this so maybe you can see and understand it this time. The only explaination for you being so dense is you're looking for excuses to vote people.

[charter]

So you're suspicious of me because of your own inability to read? That's rich.

Nightfall is definately scum, he has still not added anything to this game. Yawetag is also scum.

Braeden is also highly suspect because he doesn't seem to ever take a stance on people. Always is giving wishy washy reads. I could vote any of you three.

[charter]

That wasn't directed at you, that was to yawetag. And how can you have a meta on me? I've never played in a game with you, have I?

[charter]

Please don't annoy with those capitals. The idea was stupid, and very hurting for town. That's why (at least) I am voting you; for proposing such stupidity. Also, a (very slight) meta on you as scum turns on my scumdar as well.

Show me which games you've been in where massnameclaim day one hurt the town. Please give links. Else you can hardly say the idea is very hurting for the town and stupid if you've never even given it a chance.

Also, you're using office supplies as meta against me? Please, I was alive for half of day one, hardly meta.

What's ever worse is Gamma is fos'ing you about something that trivial and not suspicious on your part.

[charter]

Nightfall is definately scum, he has still not added anything to this game.

Excuse me... I was one of the very first people to argue against your idea of mass name claiming and have continued to debate that issue with you as you haven't seemed to want to give it up... What else have you contributed?

Given opinions on quite a few people. You haven't.

And on top of that you proceed to question and apply pressure to Jebus for unvoting you after you claimed power role and were L-1? Why wouldn't he unvote you and allow some discussion?

He thought it was a good idea to put me at L-1 once. The only thing I can see that has stopped him from doing it again was people reacted adversely to it the first time.

I still get a scum vibe from you Charter but I'd rather we try and learn more about people before we make today's lynch decision.

This is just in here for the town's benefit. You're not trying to learn anything about anyone. I see no questions except to those that attack you.

@Charter, Im unsure how I have been wishy-washy could you please provide some quotes.

I also think that Jebus' vote stood out as incredible careless. Scummy... IDK, but definately careless.

Also, why do you think Yawetag is scum?

Page one and two. Every post of his.

Calm down Gamma and stop mouthing off just because I pointed out that you've posted less. It's a game. I think Charter over looked you and mentioned me as a suspect because I unlike you went against his opinions.

No. Try again. I picked you because in your role PM you got a scum role. Gamma is voting me, so if you're saying I picked you over him because of difference of opinion you are sorely mistaken.

charter/yawetag: stop clawing at each other's throats for one second and contribute more

Yes master

I'd still like a claim from Charter.

And I will still not do it until there is a legit case against me. So be it if I'm lynched.

[charter]

Every post? So, basically, every time I argue with you about your nameclaim idea, it's scummy? What about the other people that were against it? Are they scummy, too?

No, it was more of your complaining about a wagon having like three votes.

@Jebus and Charter: Why the bandwagon on Braeden so early in the game?

I already went over this. I like bandwagoning early day one.

[charter]

You actually think I could tell that he was definately scum from like page three? Not possible...

[charter]

Ok, time to come clean. I realize this will get me lynched (I should just claim some obscure power role so I get NK'ed) but here we go.

I knew I was at L-1 when I said "congrats, you lynched a power role". I was hoping that scum would realize I wasn't actually at L-1 and hammer me after I said that (or make a reaction like Gamma did). I'm also not a power role. That was to entice scum to hammer me. I'm Water Works (worst freaking property on the board) and I'm a vanilla townie.

I would say that Breadan and Gamma and Nightfall (with yawetag and Empking getting the honorable mentions) are scum.

Proceed with lynching me now...

[charter]

As for Jebus, my scum list already contains five people. He would be the sixth, but I can't name half the people as scum (and basically everyone voting me) if I want my suggestions to be given a second notice. (although I'm not suspicious of the people voting me for voting me, I think it's likely that at least once scum is because I've made myself an easy person to lynch)

As for why I think those people are scum, I can tell you why, but this isn't going to convince anyone.

Braedan - First says votes went on me in haste (and he didn't seem suspicious of me at all), then votes me for a BS reason. Saying I contradicted myself, when I just overstated which I do all the time. Cmon, no one actually knows who is scum on page six barring some catastrophic slip up. Pretty sure Breaedan is scum.

Gamma - I'm not very sure here. I think his reaction to thinking I was hammered was fake.

Nightfall - I still maintain you're posting a lot but saying little. Also you paid notice to three votes on Breadan when there is zero reason to. You're a story changer too. In your post 17 you claim to be one of the first people to speak out against nameclaim. By looking at your posts this is easy discounted. Your post 3 says you're in the grey area. You only spoke out against it after everyone else said they didn't want to, initially you gave a wishy washy answer. I also see this as scummy. Add in reasons from my earlier post. I wasn't really expecting a defense, I really didn't give you anything you could defend against. Pretty sure Nightfall is scum.

yawetag - Scum for so many reasons. Unfortunately he gets more leniency because it's painfully obvious these could be newbie mistakes. Questioning the wagon on Breadan, once again, zero reason to. Votes the V/LA player and makes me play 20 questions to get an answer to my question if it was a serious vote or not. OMGUS's Gamma when Gamma votes yawetag. Can't read (whether accidental or purposefully misreading) it doesn't make him look town. I don't think he's mentioned a single person but charter, Gamma, Anticolle (when voting him for no reason) and Jebus for voting Breadan early. He's really said even less than Nightfall. I would actually put him in the list of three to be scum and remove Gamma probably.

Empking - Meta mostly. I think he's being much more helpful than when I've seen him as town (never seen him as scum though)

[charter]

Speaking of Anticolle.

Can we get a replacement on him? Hasn't posted in the thread at all...

[charter]

News flash. The "flip again" button will keep flipping until you get the result you want.

[charter]

Oh, and Gamma moves back up (in scumminess) for not even giving time to discuss my claim or anything. Nightfall goes down a little because he did.

[charter]

Oh, and tomorrow, someone ask Gamma how page 8 is any different than page 6 which he was so concerned about before.

[charter]

Nice. Great work guys!
Happy I found two scum with the third not posting while I was alive.

Thanks for modding MafiaSSK and StrangerCoug!