Mini 742 Monopoly Mafia - Game Over!

[Jebus]

Wow. Why the bandwagon on Braeden?

Because

vote: Braeden

[Jebus]

I'm against it as well.

[Jebus]

EVERYONE BANDWAGON YAWETAG
IT WILL CHANGE HIS MIND

KAY

unvote, Vote: Yawetag

And if you haven't noticed, I love random bandwagons too ;D

[Jebus]

Either way, no point in trying to figure out what's what. Scum by any other name is still scum, let's just settle for that.

Generally, we don't even know if we're pieces, places, or what have you.

[Jebus]

either lynch me for a complete bullshit reason or drop it.

Sounds like a challenge to me.

unvote, Vote: Charter

And an FoS to Yawetag, suggesting something that people turn out to not like is not a scumtell, it was the non-existent rolefishing that would be the scumtell. In this case, it was just an idea that may or may not have been thought through. So dependent tell at best.

[Jebus]

I recounted, we're only at six votes on charter

unvote

just in case we're L-1, anyway.

Recounting...

[Jebus]

Jebus Unofficial Vote count:

charter (6): Megatheory, Alabaska J, Gamma, Yawetag, Jebus, Pacman
yawetag (2): Jebus, charter
Gamma (2): Nightfall
Braeden (1): Empking’s Alt
Jebus (1): pacman281292
Not voting (3): Anticollie, Braeden, Spoilum

If we've got 12 people, it should be

seven (7)

for a lynch.


So don't be getting your panties in a bunch just yet.

[Jebus]

EDIT: My vote on Charter isn't there anymore, so it's 5 votes on Charter (aka L-2).

[Jebus]

Jebus, why the unvote?

So some stupid/confused townie or otherwise doesn't come in and drop the hammer unexpectedly. Mind you, I still like you as a scum.

And Empking's right - though I'm not sure I'd like a claim from you, your claiming would be like claiming after a softclaim rather than out of the blue.

[Jebus]

either lynch me for a complete bullshit reason or drop it.

Sounds like a challenge to me.

unvote, Vote: Charter

Seems highly opportunistic, given the circumstances. While it isn't clear now whether Jebus intended to hammer, his subsequent recount implies that at the very least he placed his vote carelessly.

Not careless, just somewhat ignorant of the votecount, though I didn't see enough votes there for a hammer.

I don't really intend to lynch Charter just yet, either. I just find the bit I quoted to be a "lynch me, I dare you" in disguise, which I find to be very scummy.

Congratulations, you guys just lynched a power role.

This really bothers me, and until I hear a claim, I'm going to be very wary of this.

Charter: This does not mean I want a claim; I'd prefer not.



Gamma's reaction to the thought that we'd had a lynch seems townie enough, but I'm not quite sure right now as to alignment.

I really think the case on him wasn't good enough for L-1.

The count doesn't really make much difference unless it's at the hammer. L-1 is just a point leading up to hammer, and while it is somewhat dangerous to be at, it's not nearly as big a deal as people make it out to be, in my opinion.

[Jebus]

@Jebus and Charter: Why the bandwagon on Braeden so early in the game?

I already went over this. I like bandwagoning early day one.

Same thing. You ask why, I respond why not.

It's the RVS, it's not like a three out of seven vote wagon is something to get all up tight about. It's not like it was meant for a lynch or anything :/

Currently wary of Empking's pushing for a claim [manner/persistency], though I also do sort of think Charter should claim, just because of the "Congratulations, you've lynched a power role" post.

Also note that Charter is currently at L-1.

[Jebus]

Currently wary of Empking's pushing for a claim [manner/persistency], though I also do sort of think Charter should claim, just because of the "Congratulations, you've lynched a power role" post.

Also note that Charter is currently at L-1.

[Jebus]

Here's a read on Alabaska J and Yawetag. Will also read up on a few others later. For now,

Vote: Yawetag

Also, in retrospect, Charter lynch was a little bit pushed.

Alabaska J

Post 43 - Random (?) vote on gamma, reason that 'yawetag is obv noobtown'
Post 53 - Defends his vote by saying noobs don't play solely in noob games. This is where 43 starts to look scummy.
68 - Reluctant to vote Charter, agrees with Megatheory's analysis.
Post 75 - no words, just votes Charter.
Post 99 - Subtleties here. Says Charter's nameclaim involves too much Wifom, says Charter could be scum fishing for flavour. A stretch at best, imo. The amount of possible roles in this game are outlandishly large in comparison to the number of players, why would scum need to guess?
105 - "Jail might be a Jailer, but then what?", general speculation.
Post 114 - asks how nameclaiming might help.
Post 165 - Tells Charter he needs to learn how to read, nobody was talking about roleclaiming. False.
Post 178 - Says that not contributing is a bullshit reason to call someone scum (aimed at charter). Not the case at all.
Post 181 - minor 'just saying' type response at Charters response to his 178.
Post 184 - Supports pacman's request for Charter to roleclaim.
Post 201 - Wondering why scum would kill empking, votes gamma with legitimate reason.
Post 203 - Discourages reading the Charter wagon because Charter was so scummy.
Post 208 - Fixes spelling errors in 203, says gamma looks scummy.

General Conclusion:

Very minimal on content and keeps back, needs to post more. Also, needs to be looked at, though not too much harm in keeping around.

yawetag

Post 9 - Questions a random 2-vote wagon on Breadon. Answer: Why not?
Post 14 - Asks for votecount, and against 3-vote wagon on Breadon. Again, why not?
Post 16 - More against random wagon on Breadon.
Post 25 - Votes Anticollie (R), reasoning is Anticollie is V/LA

The next set of posts will be quoted, an exchange between Yawetag and Charter from posts 26 to 31:

[@Yawetage 25] Is that a serious vote yawetag?

Are all of the other votes serious? Right now, it will stay. There's been absolutely no game play yet, and until I see something to change my mind, I won't move it. That said, I'm almost positive *something* will change my mind.

That doesn't answer my question. Was there serious backing to that vote or was it a joke?

Yes or no.

How about you answer MY question first (from post 9):

Wow. Why the bandwagon on Braeden?

It's amazing to me that you want a serious answer from me when none of you that bandwagoned Braeden answered mine.

Refusal to answer simply to a yes/no question. General stubbornness, meh. Far too serious at this point, imo.

I love it. Voting me because I won't answer a question, yet it's okay for THREE people to bandwagon without any hint of an answer.

Because not answering simple questions/beating around the bush isn't nearly as scummy as a random three/seven vote wagon on the first page.

Post 36 - Finally answers question, no Post 25 was not a serious vote.
Post 45 - Votes gamma for gamma's post 37.
Post 52 - mod correction on votecount.
Post 59 - asks charter for reasons affecting his vote.
Post 61 - Clarifies on his 59.
Post 87 - Questions Charter's nameclaim idea.
Post 90 - Re-words the question.
Post 93 - Clarifies his question/statement.
Post 107 - Jumps nameclaim to roleclaim, and votes Charter for thinking the nameclaim was a good idea.
Post 109 - Response to Charter, defending his jump from namclaim to roleclaim. Inadequate, imo, and still uses roleclaim rather than nameclaim.
Post 111 - "Roleclaiming confuses general scumhunting, the kind of confusion scum would want". This came over as really scummy to me.
Post 113 - Restates confusion caused by a nameclaim.
Post 145 - Defends himself saying he was against roleclaim, and charter was for it making him scummy. Again confuses roleclaim for nameclaim.
Post 148 - Apologizes for using roleclaim rather than nameclaim, but then again seemed to be aware of this mistake ahead of time. Still uses same logic against Charter.
Post 166 - Gone for two days, and then promises to post in the next few days.
Post 169 - Three points here. One, he asks whether or not it was scummy for others to be against the nameclaim. My answer is that Yawetag is scummy because he persisted with it long after it was said and done.
Second, tries to say he's going to step back from clawing at Charter's throat. Slightly pro-town notion, imo. Thirdly, asks about Empking's Breaden vote, and then asks me and Charter about the random wagon.
Post 171 - clarifies understanding of Emp's vote, I guess.
Post 205 - unoriginal reasoning for going with the Charter lynch.

General conclusion

- Very scummy, should be a prime target of today.

[Jebus]

Alright, I've already quickly read through day 1 and fully read through day 2 so far.
I don't think the day 1 lynch of charter was particularly scummy. Nameclaiming would've helped the scum more than town.
I don't really understand the case on yawetag. I think it was obvious that it wasn't serious, and that charter had to ask was odd. While gamma's hammer was not scummy, his early proposal to wagon yawetag to "change his mind" seems, if not scummy, rather unorthodox. Jebus's blindly following gamma is much more scummy in my mind, but it's hard to take anything from the first couple of pages too seriously. However, his only day 2 post makes a very bad (IMO) case on yawetag, so

fos: jebus

.

It wasn't at all a bad case, though if you think so please point out where/why.

Also, my 'blind' following of Gamma on the Yawetag wagon was for pressure wagoning, because I thought he was somewhat scummy then. This is still the case, I still want to pressure wagon.

[Jebus]

This game seems to be going by really slow. time for some more analysis!

Please do, I'd like to hear yours.

[Jebus]

My case may be a bad case relative to one that would appear in a game of longer duration and size, but it's still a case, and I doubt I could make a stronger one on anyone at the moment.

I'd like to see what you've got on Alabaska. If you think my case on him is bad, why's yours okay, and what makes it stronger?

Also, the Grimmy seems more of lazy than scummy to me. It is scummy, I agree, but not as scummy as Yawetog and Alabaska have been.

[Jebus]

Nightfall, why is a 3 man wagon (putting whoever it was at L-4) in the RVS scummy?

[Jebus]

Zilla - nice avvy. Also, waiting for your response...

Nightfall, why is a 3 man wagon (putting whoever it was at L-4) in the RVS scummy?

to spur some conversations, I shall put my opinion into this question.

Its has always seemed suspicious when a number of votes get tacked on to one person in the RVS, because there are so many options to place a random vote, it seems suspicious that people would pile them on to one person so early in the game.

Grimmy
yes I am insane, thanks for asking. And yes, I would like fries with that!

Why is it suspicious for a random wagon on one person in the RVS?

[Jebus]

Whoever put suspicion on someone who placed a second vote on someone else in the RVS is too paranoid.

Either way, I feel no point in debating this further :/

Still waiting for Zilla.

[Jebus]

I really don't have that much to say at the moment, but I've been reading.

Zilla, what did you think of my analysis of Alabaska?

[Jebus]

Jebus, I don't really like your format, and I agree with your assessment that AJ needs to contribute more. What happened to your promise on reading up on a few others later?

I never got to it. Gamma was next, followed by Nightfall.

Also,

unvote, Vote: Alabaska

[Jebus]

You replaced Yawetog, who I found scummy. You are not scummy, and I tend to trust replacements, so I unvoted and went to my other choice.

[Jebus]

Zilla, you qualify as 'not scummy' in that you haven't done anything scummy.

and I tend to trust replacements,

Are you pushing that as a positive trait?

Not really, I'm just saying that unless the previous player was obscenely scummy, I tend to write off the replacement as neutral until I get a good read on them.

[Jebus]

Vote: Alabaska

For the sake of having my vote somewhere at the moment. Also, note my sig - am busy till this weekend.

[Jebus]

.... your sig says "till April 8" and it is now April 9th (almost 10th)

That was the projected time of my stuffs being out of the way, turns out that I'm busy till either tomorrow or as late as wednesday. Will be very active after that, though.

[Jebus]

I'm here, catching up on what happened in the last few pages.

For the record, I didn't go away, I was just super busy with paperwork stuffs that needed to be done earlier than I'd have expected. So yeah, school stuffs D:

[Jebus]

Also I'm Officer Edgar Mallory, a pro-town roleblocker.

I'm almost tempted to say bull-shit here. Good thing I know my Monopoly characters.

i'll probably be lynched, but here's one last analysis for use

when i turn up town

This bothers me. A lot.

Vote: Alabaska

For the sake of having my vote somewhere at the moment. Also, note my sig - am busy till this weekend.

it is too early in the day for this.

Vote: Jebus

I didn't plan on being back till about now, and thought that rather than just being gone, it'd be good to have my vote somewhere.

Sigh. hurry up so you can respond.

i know it's wifom but this continuing absence rubs me the wrong way.

I've got a life, you know, as I'm sure you and everyone else does. This is the busy part of my year, what with finals and all sorts of due dates right around the corner. I've just had much more than expected recently, sorry.



So currently, the flavour checks out for me, and I don't really think it could hurt to keep Alabaska around for a little bit, I just don't think Alabaska is the lynch for today.

Here's my scumlist, in order of scum (top) to town (bottom)
Alabaska J
ac1983fan
Grimmy
Nightfall
pacman281292
Braeden
ooba
Zilla

Really, Braeden and pacman haven't been here enough for me to have a good read on them, so count them as the turning point from towniness to scumminess.


As for ac1983fan,

Lurkers are at least a little more likely than nonlurkers to be scum.

No. From a personal standpoint, when I play as scum I find myself more interested in the game, and try a bit harder not to get inactive. From the standpoint of a mod, I find that scum roles usually don't need replacing nearly as much as town roles. Why I dislike lurker lynching purely on lurking. I do agree, though, that persistent lurking is scummy.

unvote, Vote: ac1983fan

To get off alabaska for the moment and focus on you. So questions -
>What do you think of Alabaska's claim now that you see the flavour fits?
>Other than Alabaska, who do you find town/scum?

[Jebus]

Nightfall: I couldn't tell you how the flavour works yet, I've yet to see any pattern to any of it yet, and with no scum dead, I don't know the opposite of a Get-Out-Of-Jail-Free Card. Sure, a jailer sounds possible, but I'm not going to go off that just yet.

As for the 'it couldn't hurt to leave Alabaska around', I mean that while I do find him scummy, he's a claimed roleblocker, and his alignment will become more clear further down the road.

As for having Alabaska at the top of my scumlist but not voting him, I really don't have much more than some scum vibes for anyone I found scummy. I've yet to see anything excessively scummy out of anyone still playing.

Zilla: You're obvtown because you've not done anything scummy at all since you replaced in.

I would go after Gamma for his self-vote way back if he were here, but no use in banging the door down if nobody's home :/


Also, will be gone till late Sunday. Hoping pacman and ooba can get replaced by the time I get back.

[Jebus]

I'm back around after being in, wouldn't ya know, a Monopoly tournament. I lost in the third (and final) round, came in second. Good fun :3

The Fonz - Is it active lurking if I'm not around to hop on a computer and post here? Not really. I've been busy recently, my time to read up on mafia pages I missed and play was pretty limited in the last few weeks, nothing I could have done about that :/

My take on Zilla is this - Yawetog was scummy indeed, but not enough that I'd automatically condemn his replacement. Looking at Zilla in isolation, I'd have to be pretty dumb to find her scummy at all. I can't really hold something a previous player did to botch the record of a player that hasn't done anything at all to make me think scum. So in my read on Zilla, I leave Yawetog out.

As for my not voting Alabaska - I do believe it wouldn't hurt to leave him around for now. No need to kill a claimed power role while we still have a full day to discuss other possible options. Yes, I find AlaJ scummy, but scummy is relative - AlaJ is not scummy compared to what you'd find in an average game, but scummier than everyone else in this particular game. ac1993fan is almost as scummy as AlaJ, imo, and attention needs to be shifted to notice a change in anything. Just because I'm voting somewhere else doesn't push my suspicion of AlaJ out the window :/

Now that I think about it, the flavour of Edgar Mallory fits, the Go To Jail space is one of my favorite spots on the board, it saves from the icky high-priced spaces on the home-stretch of the board. So I can definitely see how this goes either way. Also make note this, other than my interest in changing the attention, is pretty much the only reason I'm not voting AlaJ.

ac1993fan, I didn't ignore your response, it just appears I missed it. I've got very little to say on it, other than the fact that you're almost completely neutral on everyone, picking out easy targets - Zilla as town, a self-voting Gamma as slightly scummy. The only exception is Nightfall, who even then could be passed off as town pretty easily. What about Grimmy? What about AlaJ? I'm sure you've got an opinion other than neutral on those two, eh?

I had nothing previously on Pacman, and pro-town feeling from Fonz's only post so far, so nothing to say there.

Mod: Request that Ooba/Gamma gets replaced before Braeden

@AlaJ in the post above me, the 'why not' attitude at the beginning of the game is meant to get something going. What am I supposed to do at the beginning of a mafia game?

[Jebus]

Jebus, why would you request Ooba before Braeden?

See page 9, post 200. Ooba replaced Gamma. With the replacement for them, we've got something to pick on, as opposed to Braeden, who's done practically nothing thus far.

[Jebus]

I've been thinking of something: Should the rule on modkilling for discussing ongoings be relaxed to a warning? One of the people I tried to get to replace in him won't do it because I modkilled him in our other game for this (unfairly, he says), and a warning is what MafiaSSK gave Nightfall in this game for the same thing.

I'll put this to a vote, and if I get a majority to agree to the proposed change, I'll edit it into the rules. Future games will have this rule relaxed. You

CAN

keep voting after May 1 (just PM me), and it's unnecessary to unvote your lynch candidate to vote for the proposed change.

If it'll get a replacement in here, I'm all for relaxing the rule.

[Jebus]

Can I remind people of the notion of changing the pressure point? We're not going to see anything different if we don't change anything. And keep in mind, deadline is May 1st. We've got plenty of time to look elsewhere and come back to Alabaska afterwords.

A votecount would be a good start.

[Jebus]

Quick mind scan of players read in isolation:

TOTALLY TOWN = ac1983fan replaces Panzerjager, who replaced Megatheory, who replaced Numberfourteen
TOTALLY TOWN = Alabaska J
TOTALLY TOWN = DrippingGoofball replaces Braeden
TOTALLY TOWN = Grimmy replaces Anticollie ***
TOTALLY TOWN = Jebus
TOTALLY TOWN = Nightfall ***

TOTALLY SCUM = ooba replaces Gamma
SCUMMY = The Fonz replaces pacman281292
SCUMMY = Zilla replaces yawetag

Next, actually read the game!

ohi DGB

Explain ac1983fan, Alabaska, ooba/gamma, Fonz, and Zilla.

Imo, ac1983fan could be scum, Alabaska is scum, gamma/ooba could be scum, Fonz seems town and Zilla seems very town.

And what is the meaning of the triple star, dare I ask?

[Jebus]

I'm willing to hammer Alabaska, if we're ready for it.

Also, awaiting what DGB might have to say.

[Jebus]

Alabaska J, for the love of god, if you're town, post your damn defense.

This

And avoiding hammering in lieu of the deadline extension and Crash replacement.

V/LA for the next 24-36 hours, by the way.

[Jebus]

Just checking in, and minimal on time so I can't read the last few pages I missed, but noticing comment on my inconsistency between Zilla and Yawetog.

Yawetog was moderately scummy for a D1, imo. Then Zilla replaced in. Since replacing in, Zilla has only been pro-town. How the hell can I hold the D1 actions of a player I'm not familiar with against a player who's been like the most pro-town player of the game (despite not being familiar with that player as well)? It might possibly be something to examine later, but in all honesty I think it's almost certain Zilla is town.

[Jebus]

I think the sort of frustration Alabaska is experiencing indicates to me that he's most likely town.

How so?

[Jebus]

Mega-BAWWWWWWWW

This game was getting interesting :3
And sowwy Ala

[Jebus]

I was reading this one after I died. I'm glad CTD picked up on the fact that I investigated his predecessor as town. Zilla didn't need to be investigated for me to know she was town, but I did anyway because of Yawetog. And then The Fonz because he replaced Mr. Inactivity, Pacman, who I was completely clueless on. Really, I saw it as a town win the whole time because of The Fonz's kill of Grimmy, so good job there. DGB was clearly scum after the claim, though I'm really surprised at the claim. She could have easily gotten away with whatever the fakeclaim was (I missed it), and scum probably would have won in that case, imo.

Either way, forget the mumbo-jumbo above, great game :3