Medieval Mafia - Game Over

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Vote: farside

You're not dead yet, you must be scum!

That's a FACT.

Vote: farside

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Obviously, I

VOTE KMD4390

WHy? flawed gambits + flawed scum-dar = town liability.

Are you sure you shouldn't be voting me instead?

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Actually, I can already announce that camn and kmd are scumpals.

This sentence: "Wow, guys. You all come out pretty strong," coming in the eleventh post of the game, clearly in the random voting stage, is diagnostic of someone uncomfortable with the prospect of having to lie to the town for a whole game, not knowing what to say, and saying something completely weird.

Followed by nervous distancing right out of the garage: "Obviously, I VOTE KMD4390 WHy? flawed gambits + flawed scum-dar = town liability." Already setting up the groundwork for excuses for kmd's future scummy behavior.

Then, in a fit of remorse, changing the subject in a totally inappropriate manner: "Plus, in an off-topic way, I would like to mention that I am revisiting Pink Floyd's early work. I think I like it better when Gilmour started playing Lead.. though I am sure there are some Syd Barrett purists here that will defy me."

Note zwet's totally natural reaction to the post: "What? Where'd you get that from? "

Exactly. zwet's nailed scum on page one and he doesn't even know it.

unvote, vote: camn

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Why is dgb still alive?

You need more love.

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I call 'overdefensive much' on Camn & Kmd.

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I call 'overdefensive much' on Camn & Kmd.

Defensiveness isn't a scumtell.

On page two without much of a wagon, it is.

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Hey DGB, are you scum?

No, I'm as disappointed as you are.

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I'd be surprised if we had scum with a dayvig.

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Also, are we all trying to outguess the mod? DGB camn, you guys should know better. At least, DGB definitely should. You know damn well OGML is a very experienced mod who knows not to fall into standard meta pitfalls.

Nah. Still. Not buying the dayvig-scum.

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TSQ seems to be trying abnormally hard to lynch me on any grounds.

I noticed.

I am a huge proponent of lynching millers. But as I said, I'm not buying the miller DAYVIG as scum.

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Why are you a huge proponent of lynching millers?

In my experience

, they're about 70-80% scum.

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DGB, why don't you think a dayvig scum is plausible? Ask Farside if it's plausible. It was MY ROLE in her futurama game.

It's not very likely, still.

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We're not lynching zwet.

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Why should we not?

He claimed miller out of the blue, and then he retracted the claim when it became obvious he was drawing fire for it. He has lied in one way or another, and I am not able to see a pro town motivation for either of the lies.

I can tell from his tone thus far that it was nothing but provocation.

You'd better have a damn good reason why we shouldn't lynch him if you're going to assert as such.

Post 138, haha.

Did you know that, according to Wikipedia, Sir Gawain's strength waxes and wanes with the sun; in the most common form of this motif, his might triples by noon, but fades as the sun sets.

Sir Gawain had three children.

OK?

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I can tell from his tone thus far that it was nothing but provocation.

What does this even mean?

I can read his tone. He's not scum.

Sir Gawain had three children. OK?

Are you saying that you believe the claim because early in d1 he was a powerful role with a drawback, and now not 2 days later, he's something else? I highly doubt that the mechanic that you're claiming FOR HIM functions in that way.

No. zwet claimed to be Sir Gawain's son. Sir Gawain had three sons. Sir Gawain was a good guy. His three sons died together as heroes.

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Lynch all liars.

vote: zwet

Are you fucking serious?

Put the gun down and unvote. Read my posts.

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Tadaa! I am not a miller or a dayvig. Behold my awesomeness. Discuss reactions. You're welcome.

(sigh) Ok. Here's my reaction.

Vote:Zwets

FAIL

You are not reading my posts.

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I read your posts.

Are you ignoring the hints on purpose?

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If you were hinting at something else, though, then I totally missed it. If you are, like, 100% sure he's town for some kind of role-based reason, then I'll unvote him and I won't ask for any more details today.

I'm not saying I have rolebased info. But his character has two brothers. He's not Gawain; he's one of Gawain's three sons.

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If you were hinting at something else, though, then I totally missed it. If you are, like, 100% sure he's town for some kind of role-based reason, then I'll unvote him and I won't ask for any more details today.

I'm not saying I have rolebased info. But his character has two brothers. He's not Gawain; he's one of Gawain's three sons.

And that supposed to make him less likely to be scum because...

He may be a mason.

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By the way; could you point to which of his posts let you "tell that it was nothing but provication" from his tone? Beacuse I don't get that vibe from any of his early posts, at all, except perhaps the post where he unclaimed and that could very easily be faked.

Sorry, ongoing game business and all.

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Folks, slow down.

This wagon is just too easy. Yes, zwet has given a reason for all the scumbags in the game to hide behind LAL, scream that he must die, lynch what *I* believe to be a townie, with impunity. There will be no consequence for the scum tomorrow.

I urge all townies to take a deep breath, and start thinking. Otherwise, this day will yield zero information, and quite possibly, nothing but a dead townie, with the scum laughing their heads off at how easily the town can be manipulated by a formulaic and unyielding application of LAL.

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Vote Zwet

Ideally, I would like to see him dead before he gets to post again, just in case he is a scum dayvig. I am 100% serious about this.

This is a good point. If he's scum dayvig, I don't want to give him a chance to shoot a townie.

DGB is my second suspect right now.

One thing about zwet, is, in my mind, absolutely certain.

He's no dayvig.

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By the by: He's -3 right now, by my (unofficial) count.

Thanks.

I don't want to see any more votes on zwet.

I want everyone to take a step back, and cool their heads. Though zwet certainly has given the scum the gift of the world's easiest auto-wagon, there is no way that we should let them have an easy time of it, and let the scum control today's lynch, AND tonight's nightkill.

The lynch belongs to the town. We must not allow the scum to rush us. I believe they are trying to rush us.

vote: TSQ

- and with this vote, I have signed my own death warrant for the NK, haha.

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By the way, zwet is in fact at -2 because I have the power to give someone an extra vote, and that person is currently voting for zwet.

Someone unvote zwet nao.

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Theoretically, if you were going to vote someone for the Zwet wagon, it would be yosarian2, who suggested that we should lynch him before he could post again. (which, I do, actually agree with) or caboose, who seems to have jumped on it pretty opportunistically.

Sure, these would be fine places to put my vote, but why not you?

Also, silly DGB, you don't need to vote for me. I would NK you any time I have a NK. No questions asked.

True, that. And you'd get away with it, too, screaming WIFOM.

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Mod, you have me voting both Zwet and Camn. I am currently voting Zwet

DGB, what makes you so sure Zwet isn't a dayvig?

I know how the kid's mind works. He wanted to stimulate discussion. He'd claim scum if he thought it would get us going. Hey maybe he's done that before? Hmmm, yeah.

Now I have to think, which players here KNOW zwet's meta, and are shouting for his quicklynch? These players are surely scum. I'm going to quietly go and check where zwet's meta has previously manifested itself, and which players are common between those games, and this one.

I will name the scum.

No one put another vote on zwet until I have completed this task. It will be done tomorrow.

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I'm actually William Wallace, and I can target someone every night. If the person is nightkilled, then I die instead. I'm your official martyr, folks, and TSQ is scum.

Oy vey... you make my head spin.

But TSQ

is

scum.

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Zwet has claimed three different times now, with each claim suspiciously coming after the town decided zwet isn't scum.

Show me where the town has decided that zwet isn't scum.

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On a side note: DGB, I count 8 people voting Zwet, and there were 8 votes on him in the votecount. Will this double vote thing show up in the votecount, or is there actually one more vote on him then is showing up now? That would make him at lynch -1.

I sent in a choice in case it counted on Day 1, but I guess with the game starting on Day 1, it's probably not a valid choice.

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I did my homework.

There are three players fully aware of zwet's meta, namely,

Jebus, poptajo, and myself.

Poptajo and myself are struggling to defend the pretty much indefensible zwet. Jebus, in the meantime, is making himself scarce. He has posted only once, while being very very active in another ongoing game.

I say that Jebus is scum. Quite possibly with TSQ.

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I'm inclined to not believe it, but i'm following the conversation very closely.

What do you think of Jebus' disappearance?

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I think asking for flavor is a perfectly fair question. The answer may not be particularly useful, but I doubt it'll help the scum.

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We fucking serious people? Seriously, stop unvoting. I do not get what makes this claim so believable; and after reading about William Wallace, I really don't see how martyr (or bodyguard for that matter) fits for him. And we should not be letting him get away with his OMGUS on shea.

What is believable is that scum will do everything in its power to reduce discussion and ensure the quickest, least informative mislynch possible. Thanks for helping the scum's agenda.

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I'm not helping there agenda at all. I find zwet beyond scummy, and cannot believe that people are actually believing zwet. I just noticed this, but it's interesting that zwet calls TSQ scum while keeping his vote on you, DGB, for god knows why.

You may not be helping their agenda on purpose. But tunneling on zwet, whom I'm pretty sure is town, makes the scum very happy. Townies rushing to lynch zwet make scum happy.

Is there any actual argument for voting for Jebus?

Of course. I repeat. Jebus is one of the three players that is familiar with zwet's propensity for fakeclaiming, or claiming a few different roles on the same day. potajo and I are aware of this, and we are placed in the surreal situation of having to defend zwet. But we're both doing it.

Jebus is also acutely aware of zwet's meta. He should be here, weighing in one way or another. But he's not. He made one meaningless early post. In the meantime, he's VERY active in another game.

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DGB, you say Zwet has fakeclaimed as town. I believe you. But what makes you think he wouldn't do it as scum and try to pass it off as something he does as town. Especially with you and Tajo in the game to defend it.

I doubt he did this in the hope that a tiny minority of players would put their own credibility on the line, and be vocal enough, and persuasive enough, to stop his lynch.

Lynch him or not, I will not tolerate a QUICKLYNCH on day one, and we must discuss alternative lynches. Day 1 is the most informative day of all. We're not letting the scum rob us of it. Not on my watch.

Also, I've played a game with Jebus. Kirby mafia. He lurked and accomplished nothing. Ended up being mislynched (on Day 2?). I don't expect much from Jebus.

Maybe. But he's posting with high frequency and regularity elsewhere, right now.

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Unvote zwet. I'm pretty sure he's telling the truth.

I'm not sold on the Jebus case since there are other lurkers here (CW, stark).

Bold your unvote if you mean to unvote.

Jebus is not an ordinary lurker case. He's a player that is highly active elsewhere, and should have stuck his neck out and said something about zwet, which he curiously failed to do.

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Ten pages into Day 1 is not a quicklynch. There has been substantial reason to lynch zwet, and we have gotten plenty of information already. There is no need to discuss alternative lynches as zwet is the only correct lynch right now.

It is when there has only been a single lynch candidate (hey next time, zwet, consider fakeclaiming on page 20 minimum), and contrary to what you are saying, we have only extremely limited information. If you think we have a lot of info, that's because you haven't learned how to exploit the day one goldmine. Ten pages in a large game is

nothing

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This is complete bullshit. You are basically voting for Jebus because he is a lurker. Way to go.

I absolutely am not advocating his lynch 'because he's a lurker' as there are exceptional circumstances in his case.

If he were voting Jebus, I could understand the case on him a little more. But he isn't, and saying that he should absolutely be here defending zwet (when we don't even know his stance on him) and calling him scummy for not doing so is just ridiculous.

If Jebus is scum, he's really happy to stay out of a zwet lynch, and let it happen. If for some reason he'd show up, he'd have to acknowledge his knowledge of zwet's meta, and that might just slow down a lovely day one quicklynch.

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You already came out and said that you have information to believe that he is town. If you have said information, you not releasing it is hurting the town. Call it rolefishing, but no one is going to believe you until you explain it fully.

You're fishing sardines with a tuna rod.

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Attacking someone's activity, regardless of his activity in other games, is ridiculous to do on day 1.

Please explain how noticing a stark contrast in a player's activity between this game, and another, a ridiculous thing to do on day 1, especially.

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1. You don't know any outside influences that might be the result of this situation.

Are you suggesting that outside there could exist influences that prevent Jebus from posting in this game, that aren't applying to his other games?

2. You don't know person's role in either game; hence, it is a null-tell

I don't know his alignment in either game, why does that make his lurking a null tell in any way?

3. Lynching anyone on day 1 for lurking is something I don't believe strongly in, no matter the extent.

Is there not a probability that he'll have to show up and participate, when pressured with votes? Since he's posting heavily elsewhere, we know that he's not hogtied in a dungeon.

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I think TSQ is scum.

He is not his measured, intelligent, considerate self. The 'logic' he displays is what I call 'partial logic.' He makes logical arguments that serve his cause, and willfully ignores the

more obvious

logical arguments that go against it. A quick read give a rough impression of tunnel visioning. But TSQ is too smart for this common human pitfall; I think he's doing it on purpose. His pronouncements are painted in stark black and white, and feel very calculated.

This leads me to suspect that rather than hunt scum, he's but a vassal to a scum agenda. I very much doubt that I will convince anyone with points this subtle, given the elephants in the room. However I wish to urge everyone to use their wits and not allow TSQ to pull the wool over their eyes.

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TSQ seems logical to me.

Appearance can be deceiving. You'll have to start thinking a layer deeper.

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Scalpel please.

Sorry, I didn't prepare one, doc. Can we use the blowtorch? It will cauterize and sterilize as it 'cuts.'

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He gave away his true intentions of not gaining information day 1, then closed off to everything else and said he was 100% sure I was scum. I see slip.

Why do you call this a 'slip?'

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Because others started using WIFOM to try to get him off the hook. See last page for details.

You'll have to explain.

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No. SLPFD.

What you say makes no sense. I asked you to point out exactly where he 'slipped' because and what the slip is, because I don't see a slip, and then you tell me it's because others are using WIFOM to defend him? That's still not a slip!

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3rd... any significance to this?

Vote: DrippingGoofBall

Not on my watch

...

....Day 1 is the most informative day of all. We're not letting the scum rob us of it.

Not on my watch

.

Nope.

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You realize in order for his post to be a slip, he would have to have inside information, right?

You realize that his "slip" was calling you scum, right?

That's what I was getting at my my questioning of zwet's claim of a 'slip.'

Glad you picked it up, too.

I'm anxiously waiting for zwet's explanation, and it better be long, and detailed.

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This is the WIFOM post I was talking about. And no, I'm not claiming scum. The slip was him trying to pretend to know I was scum, which he would only have been able to know if he was scum.

You did it again, haha.

In other words, he's attempting to use his scum knowledge to incriminate me, but at the same time revealing his true identity.

So what you're saying, is that he's bus'ing?

To put it simply...

If he's scum, the only possible slip, is for his to slip up and name his buddy. That scumbuddy would be you, in this case.

If he's town, then he can't slip anything. He's not one of the informed minority.

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I had to check who made the slip. That's sam.samhorn.

So if zwet flips scum, sam.samhorn is to be vig'ed or lynched.

And there's something else I need to check. Hold on.

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blah blah blah secret code

I don't believe there was a night 0, because my choice didn't count. You'd have to think that the scum was allowed to talk during Night 0 for this sort of communication to take place during the day. Ask the mod if the scum was allowed to talk Night 0. If they weren't, you'll have to find some other way to find scum.

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I reckon I'm jumping the gun a bit, but given my tendency to be nightkilled early in most games, and very early in the rest, I want my thoughts to be out there for future reference from beyond the grave.

I did say that have a provable, pro-town role that's not hugely useful. Still, I think it will be good for the town to know my alignment, and the town will find out pretty soon because I'm such a NK-magnet. Or you can lynch me; fine, too. I tried to slow down this day because day 1 is the best, and I think the scum has made so many mistakes that they will be easily rounded up. Also, Day 1 is the only day I'm usually alive, so I rarely see other days, haha, I may be biased.

So here we go.

We lynch zwet today. If zwet is scum, sam.samhorn is scum for sure - there is no doubt about this. And TSQ, whom I know can bus vigorously, is under great suspicion. I would look for players that sound especially exasperated with zwet.

I know that if I were scum, and zwet did what he did being my buddy, I'd bus him so hard everyone's heads would be spinning. Scumbuddies like that, I don't need. So I would look for players that bus'ed zwet especially vociferously.

Oddly enough, if zwet flips town, I'd look for pretty much the same list of suspect as if he flips scum. That's because scum look for short days and easy lynches, and zwet has given the scum ample reasons to push for his lynch, while the scum looks like scum hunting townies, and don't expect to be punished for it the next day. So you can bet that zwet's play was a godsend for the scum, and they would exploit it to the fullest.

When you know my alignment, this post will seem especially scummy:

TSQ and DGB are distancing like shit.

Fuck.

You caught me.

TSQ is also after farside.

Look at this:

I could have sworn that all we had was a confirmation phase. Why is everyone act like we had a night 0?

What are you talking about?

People asked why DGB was still alive. My thought well because there was no night 0 that is why.
I just voted for her because she loves to BW me to death.

Unvote, Vote Farside

FYI, my current vote is not random.

Care to explain?

Not currently, no.
In my opinion the town is well served by knowing that my vote is not within the bounds of the RVI, but is not well served by knowing its purpose yet. All will be revealed in due time, my tiny little friend.

Make sure the above is explained as the game goes on. His vote for farside was not random.

Unvote

My random vote.

I'm claiming now, so you don't waste an investigation on me. I'm Sir Gawaine's son, a miller one shot day vig.

...Umm...kay.... Not quite sure what to think with that.

I'd say that crywolf is town.

I'm claiming now, so you don't waste an investigation on me. I'm Sir Gawaine's son, a miller one shot day vig.

You should probably use that today.

I'd say that stark is town.

I'm claiming now, so you don't waste an investigation on me. I'm Sir Gawaine's son, a miller one shot day vig.

you're 99% going to be using that day vig today

I'd say that hasdagas is town.

zwet, you're 100% going to be using that day vig today.

I'd say that Caboose is town.

If you are a miller, this is the right move. Not sure I would have included the vig part though.

I'd say that Kmd is town.

We have the claimed miller day vig our chosen lynch target, then we lynch him instead. I am a huge proponent of "lynch all millers," and this one comes without a net loss in lynches also.

I'd say that TQS is scum.

Here's the plan. We vote until we reach ~2 from lynch. Then when 2 other people have also expressed willingness to vote that person, we all switch to force the claimed miller vig to use his power on the player we suggested. Then we lynch him. Additionally, we could also force him to use his power on himself.

Yep. He's scum.

[...]whenever I've seen an unprovoked miller claim, it's always been a real miller. That's all been offsite though, so I guess your PoV has more merit here.

Totally town.

I'm a little unsure in this case, though; if a scum has a one-shot daykill, why would he claim it so early, instead of just sitting back quietly and waiting, and using it for a surprise endgame win, or to pick off a cop the moment he claims, or something?

Hmmm...

Here's the plan. We vote until we reach ~2 from lynch. Then when 2 other people have also expressed willingness to vote that person, we all switch to force the claimed miller vig to use his power on the player we suggested. Then we lynch him. Additionally, we could also force him to use his power on himself.

I support this plan.

Scum scum scum.

[...]if he actually lets us direct his kill. . it makes me like him.[...]

For some reason, you believe there is no way, if he was scum, that he would kill a fellow scum if we told him to do so. Why is that?

I'd say that scot is town.

Currently most likely to be scum in my eyes is farside, but that could easily change. Like I said, the day just started.

The mother of all Greyhounds.

And farsidescum looks dodgily amusing.

And s little short bus on the side.

Ideally, I would like to see him dead before he gets to post again, just in case he is a scum dayvig. I am 100% serious about this.

Could

be bus'ing hard.

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Special qwints section:

vote: farside -Switching from an evil monkey avatar to a cute baby could only be designed to hide your scummy nature.

Another farside bus? That one is going fast to a bad neighborhood.

FOS: zwet for trying to speak in a (cockney?) accent.

A FOS on zwet, eh?

Lynch all liars. vote: zwet Are you fucking serious?

Now a vote...

unvote - Caboose vouching for zwet combined w/ zwet claiming bodyguard means I don't want to lynch zwet today.

That's townie.

vote sam.samhorn - This must be the most anti-town post I've ever seen.

Townie, except that it could be bus'ing. Or qwints' scumdar is deathly accurate?

Also, silly DGB, you don't need to vote for me. I would NK you any time I have a NK. No questions asked.

Scum setting up WIFOM self-confirmation by not NK'ing me tonight.

It's absurd that I'm not mafia, sam? You are so definitely scum.

You two seem to know each other, haha.

I like how clairvoyant TSQ was with sam's slip with zwet. These three seem to know each other, hahaha.

SCUM:

TSQ
sam.samhorn
zwet (mostly on account of sam's slip, otherwise he'd be in the Purgatory)

PURGATORY:

=====leaning scum=========
farside (because she's being bus'ed by TSQ)
Jebus
=====refusing to lean=========
Simenon
=====leaning town=========
qwints
Yosarian2 (leaning town, though, after reading his posts in isolation - except his defense of TSQ is suspicious)

TOWN:

DrippingGoofball
poptajo
stark
crywolf
hasdagas
Kmd
camn
scotmany
Caboose >>> if zwet flips town. If zwet flips scum... well she said she had roleboased info about his alignment, so...

[DrippingGoofball]

I didn't do it.

My scumlist still holds, since it was not dependent on zwet's alignment.

Another thing that changes is that sam.samhorn's so called slip loses much of the potential significance it had before we knew zwet's alignment.

Still his reaction to the zwet debacle is quite scummy, as is TSQ's.

[DrippingGoofball]

You can do better than that... haha.

[DrippingGoofball]

You can do better than that... haha.

Ninja'd - that comment was meant for Xyl.

[DrippingGoofball]

Better at what?

Finding scum than counting posts!

[DrippingGoofball]

Caboose >>> if zwet flips town. If zwet flips scum... well she said she had roleboased info about his alignment, so...

Who the hell is "she"?

Sorry. I'm French. The caboose is feminine.

[DrippingGoofball]

Well Jebus IS leaning scum in the Purgatory so why not.

unvote, vote: Jebus

[DrippingGoofball]

Of our other lurkers, qwints looks town, and sam.samhorn is scummy.

Aside from the number of posts, do you find Jebus scummy?

[DrippingGoofball]

Jebus is being wagoned strictly for lurking?

If you look at my post you'll find that I made a case against Jebus earlier on.

[DrippingGoofball]

Of our other lurkers, qwints looks town, and sam.samhorn is scummy.

Aside from the number of posts, do you find Jebus scummy?

He has done absolutely nothing protown, so yes.

Give me more.

[DrippingGoofball]

Why do you need more?

I enjoy your posts. I feel short changed right now.

[DrippingGoofball]

As it should be evident from my previous posts, I do not condone the wagon on Jebus.

Is Jebus worthy of such a supportive statement?

[DrippingGoofball]

Jebus is active in other games. Why is he trying to avoid attention in this one?

To continue being unworthy of being lynched if that's what you're asking.

[DrippingGoofball]

So you think his activity in other games, where you don't know his role, makes him scum in this game? Cause you know, he could quite possibly be scum in those games and town in this one.

True that, but then if we don't pressure him to post, and he continues to massively lurk, we'll never have a sign either way, will we?

[DrippingGoofball]

We fucking serious people? Seriously, stop unvoting. I do not get what makes this claim so believable; and after reading about William Wallace, I really don't see how martyr (or bodyguard for that matter) fits for him. And we should not be letting him get away with his OMGUS on shea.

Looks like you didn't mind rushing people to lynch earlier on.

[DrippingGoofball]

Meant:

FoS: Hasdagfas and Farside

As well, sorry.

Why are you picking on farside? She's VLA, I believe she's coming back today or tomorrow. I wonder if she's enjoying seeing the grooves on those big Greyhound tires from beneath.

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DGB definitely seemed to me like a scum player who knew that the player acting scummy left or right was not going to come up scum, information that a huge portion of the town was not able to see. I'm not sure this makes her scum, but it surely does seem suspicious, considering there seemed to be very few reasons NOT to be voting Zwet, let alone actively defending him.

PopTartajo, who has had a game with him too, did the same, though perhaps not as far in the forefront as me. Did that escape your selective attention?

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I could have sworn that all we had was a confirmation phase. Why is everyone act like we had a night 0?

What are you talking about?

People asked why DGB was still alive. My thought well because there was no night 0 that is why.
I just voted for her because she loves to BW me to death.

Unvote, Vote Farside

FYI, my current vote is not random.

Currently most likely to be scum in my eyes is farside

, but that could easily change. Like I said, the day just started.

List of people who are getting off far too easily right now and will have to talk more today/tomorrow or face my wrath:
4. CounselWolf
5. Simenon
6. qwints
9. stark
14. Jebus

18. farside22

I forget what farside did that earned my ire

. I'm going to go back and re-resd and see if it was anything bigger than XYLs entrance. If it isn't, expect me to be voting him. If it is, expect some pressure and votes on her.

So you're not picking on farside?

OK, what would you have to do to consider yourself to be picking on farside? Especially given the fact that farside has been VLA most of the game and has done nothing yet.

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I'm wondering what exactly is the basis for calling me scum, by the way? It seemed to be because you decided I was busing zwet, who then turned up to be town.

I also said that scum would would exploit zwet's weakness to the fullest possible extent, in the hope of a vigorous and fast lynch. I stated clearly that my list of suspect was pretty much the same, independently of zwet's alignment.

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Speaking of delicious. Post 377 is like a box of chocolate covered bonbons.

I will step back and leave the pleasure of chewing each heavenly morsel to someone else. Who'll be the lucky one?

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There are three assumptions behind the argument that I am busing farside:
1) Farside is scum

Could very well be, since she appears to be bus'ed by you, ie., suspected aggressively for no apparent reason.

2) I am scum

Seems highly likely given the above and your behavior throughout the whole game.

3) I am actively trying to get farside lynched.

Yep! You did make a non-random for her, that counts as "actively trying to get farside lynched."

Taking out any one of them takes out the argument.

I guess the argument is still on the table.

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I want to be replaced solely because I hate playing with DGB. It's ok, though. I'm going to soldier through. She's illogical, and always does this.

It's official! It caught us some scum.

TSQ just hates it when I catch him being scum, using arguments that are too sophisticated for him to comprehend, and that he deems to be frivolous and illogical.

That's the real reason why he's giving up. He's scum, and a player that he loathes (that'd be me) caught him. So now he's giving up, because that's just too humiliating.

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I'm actually really close to asking to be replaced. I just remembered why I hate playing with DGB.

How on earth is there no votes on TSQ?

Despair not!

unvote, vote: TSQ

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She's illogical, and always does this.

Every game she's in she gets this pet little idea that almost never actually catches scum, and then she harps on it for the whole game. I've played like 3-4 games with her now and each one this has happened and I've gotten a strong urge to replace out. This is the first time it's been directed at me as far as I remember, though, but the previous times were all WRONG too.

Nice

long ad hom.

Textbook worthy.

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Camn is unbelievably town.

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Scot is completely wrong about everything as usual. That's means he's prob town. If he were scum, he'd be remotely right about something, occasionally.

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Camn is unbelievably town.

Town members don't try to lynch people who they don't find scummy, which Camn has admitted to.

She has a list of reasons that I can appreciate, and she's pretty brazen about it. Not likely scum at all.

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If someone were CONFIRMED town, I wouldn't lynch them. I would hope they were nightkilled...

Say that again?

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I mean, TSQ looked like the most protown player on the wagon (not including me).

I believe he was the one most aggressively pursuing a townie that painted a target on his own back, and willfully ignored his meta, as described by PopTartajo and myself. That's exploitative, and TSQ didn't leave the door a crack open to consider the possibility of suicidally bad town play. You're guilty of the same, scot.

As for him bussing Farside, should you not be going after farside first?

No, because farside herself has done nothing wrong. TSQ is more scummy for his stubborn pursuance of a zwet quicklynch,

combined

with possible bus'ing of farside. Dealing with probabilities, the first lynch should be TSQ. If TSQ flips scum, then take a solid look at farside, whom I expect will be more active shortly. We'll judge farside on the own, adding in the TSQ possible bus'ing handicap.

Also, I'm not reading anything into TSQ considering a replacement.

The cowardly reasons he gave are strongly indicative of caught-scum exasperation. It is a very strong scumtell.

If TSQ were town

, he'd want to savor the victory of flipping town, and proving me wrong and illogical to everyone.

IF TSQ is scum

, he'd want to avoid the humiliation of flipping scum, and proving me (a player he considers illogical) dead on correct.

So yeah. I think that's a very strong scumtell.

All the people voting for Jebus: why are you voting an inactive over people are actively lurking and providing nothing to this game like qwints (who has placed an opportunistic vote on Jebus) and Crywolf, who has yet to make a stance on anyone?

Because Jebus is VERY active elsewhere, and Jebus knew of zwet's meta and did not show up to weigh in on it.

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As for him bussing Farside, should you not be going after farside first?

Sounds like you may be bus'ing Farside, too.

If you are trying to make a case against TSQ that he is scum for bussing Farside, then you would have to know farside's alignment.

Knowing TSQ's alignment works well too; I always assume that a regular scumbag is unable to refrain from starting a game with bus'ing his partners.

If you were to lynch TSQ, and if he were to come up scum, then you can attack farside and say that you think TSQ was bussing her, but ti can't be used as an argument against TSQ.

Yes, it CAN be used as an argument against TSQ, and a solid one, too. TSQ's attacks arise from a complete void of farside contributions, as she's currently V/LA and everyone knows this because I said it several times already. It's as if he's got his scumbuddy list in his head, and starts the game with the inevitable distancing. He's so programmed to do his distancing that it doesn't even matter that farside isn't here to post anything. TSQ is on bus'ing autopilot. That's why it's bus'ing. It's not a legitimate suspicion or accusation. It comes out early in the game and out of the clear blue sky, with a disproportionate amount of certainty.

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There's also a huge logical flaw in your argument. You're saying that if I were town, I'd want to be lynched just to prove you wrong?

NO

I'm saying that you wouldn't consider being replaced so early in the game, while under direct fire from me, as town. I do agree that you wouldn't want yourself

lynched

under any circumstance.

Replaced

is different.

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That must be the difference between you and me.

I enjoy revenge more.

But more importantly, TSQ may be setting up WIFOM to exonerate himself of responsibility in my inevitable NK.

In other news, I should feel more buttered up than theater popcorn. Unfortunately when the butter comes from someone that I'm seeing as obvscum, the dairy fat rolls off me as on a Teflon surface.

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I like how stark flings a crap attack my way just as I start to tunnel vision on hascows.

Yes I noticed, too. My first thought was, huh? Why is he finding Caboose scummy? If stark comes up with an actual case, I'll read it.

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IDENTIFICATION:

Lurker

PROPERTIES:

Scum

ACTION:

Vote

unvote, vote: qwints

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Especially when we have this hasgfas scumbag over here who's so obviously mafia I can't begin to explain to you.

Are you as sure of that as you were of zwet?

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Vote: Quints

Thats completely unacceptable.

uh that was like the most townie-like reaction you could get

ORLY.

Maybe you'd like to explain it, and teach the rest of us something.

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For clarity.. this post should not be construed as a 'case' against TSQ. He asked when he was scummy... this is my response.

Hey, it looks like a pretty good case, when you put it together. With an experienced player like TSQ, you expect he'll be able to throw in a few pro-town posts.

Just sayin'

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@yos: Why does the fencesitting scumtell not apply?

I'm looking forward to the answer.

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Post #618 has a distinctive, unconcerned 'thinking out loud' quality that I've come to associate with townies.

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Hey DGB, are we ever going to agree on anything? :-p

I agree that Qwints is scummy, and I'm voting for him, how 'bout that?

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Post #618 has a distinctive, unconcerned 'thinking out loud' quality that I've come to associate with townies.

I'll be honest. I can post that way as both town and scum. Not to try and change your opinion of me, but if you look for meta on me, you'll notice that.

^^^^^
Weirdest post. EVER.

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Scum love scummy townies. I'd be shocked if not a single scum took the opportunity to vote Zwet.

Bingo. That's why my scumlist, posted earlier on, is valid regardless of zwet's alignment. Yes, scum does love a scummy townie, and zwet got a lot of scum love.

You can also bet that the scum also love to bus the living daylights of such a loose canon buddy, had zwet been a buddy.

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I dunno, I keep waiting for you to accuse me of busing him.

We know you didn't bus him, since zwet was town.

However. Zwet gave you, and some others, every reason to build a vigorous case against him with total impunity. What gave you away is how totally impervious you were to any argument that might have attenuated zwet's perceived scumminess.

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I'm not liking KMD's latest line of reasoning.

That's to be expected, scumbag. BTW, you're today's lynch.

Can we expect you to defend yourself, or shall we put you on the fast track to claiming range?

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I say we give cowscum a 5 minute break while we steer qwintsscum to the slaughterhouse (notice the cattle puns?). We have qwintscum's attention now, let's milk it for all its worth, haha.

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Scum wouldnt post this.

unvote

Caboose vouching for zwet combined w/ zwet claiming bodyguard means I don't want to lynch zwet today.

Thanks for the reminder.

As I stated earlier, pop is town.

unvote

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I say we give cowscum a 5 minute break while we steer qwintsscum to the slaughterhouse (notice the cattle puns?). We have qwintscum's attention now, let's milk it for all its worth, haha.

I don't have any beef with these cattle puns, but they are utterly useless.

Am I doing it right?

WRONG. It's udderly useless.

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Very happy with farsides re-entry to the game, FYI.

I assume now that DGB will accuse me of buddying or some such.

Well not exactly buddying, but since you've been caught bussing, you're now doing a 180, hitting the brakes, and scraping farside off the asphalt with a velvet shovel.

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They wouldn't want townie points knowing Zwet will flip town?

No - because zwet was over the top scummy. Potatojo and myself knew zwet's meta, as did the ever-absent Jebus, and we were the only two sticking up for him, and even then, we did reluctantly. There we no townie points to be gained from defending zwet as zwet was completely indefensible unless you knew that meta, or cared to heed other players' reporting of said meta.

The symptom that I believe is diagnostic of scum in this debacle is the refusal to temper one's judgment once zwet's meta was exposed, and close mindedness to arguments against his lynch.

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Considering you keep calling farside townie, it really makes no sense to accuse me of busing her.

I called her townie? Even once? In any game? Where...

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First I attacked the faulty logic of a voting system that would name him as just as likely to be scum as the person he was voting at the time. I often look at what people deem scum tells, and then use those as a standard to measure those people, because players very often use their own play as scum as a standard for what they see as scummy in other people.

This is a very good observation. Of course, as you notice, the reason for my low post count wasn't because I'm generally quiet but because

I had just replaced into the game

. I'm pretty sure you're smart enough to see that, and see that the argument above doesn't apply because of it. So what was your

real

reason?

He's scum. That's the

real

reason.

Also, if he's not bus'ing farside, why was he all over her from the moment the game started? She wasn't even there! And he was babbling on like he had some solid evidence.

If he was not bus'ing farside, perhaps he was anticipating that she'll be her usual scummy self and easy to lynch?

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Why do my questions get ignored?

I missed them.

Why do you think pop is town and why do you seperate what TSQ was doing versus Pop?

Because pop behaved appropriately for a player who, like me, was well aware of zwet's meta. As scum, even knowing zwet's meta, he could easily have found plenty of solid reasons to hop on the wagon and exploit zwet's errors all the way to the lynch, without consequences on his perceived alignment. He did not do that, and that's very much in his favor.

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I've never played with farside before...How would I know she has a usual scummy self...

Thanks for clearing up the matter. This leaves only one possibility, that is, bus'ing.

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There is also this post, coming immediately after TSQ's initial farside vote:

FYI,

my current vote is not random

.

Emphasis mine.

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Watch out, yos... She'll decide you're my scumbuddy too.

I see a pattern here.

First, tell everyone how illogical I am.

Second, show that I'm utterly and completely predictable.

Third, realize that you forgot how difficult it is to be both illogical and predictable at once. The only way is to be predictably illogical. But then you couldn't predict where the particulars of my ill logic would take me, haha.

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So I just went back and checked, so far this game DGB has accused me of being scum with:

Zwet: Town
Jebus
farside
Sam

Misrepresentation! I did state very clearly, and before zwet was dayvig'ed, that my scumlist was independent of zwet's alignment.

Looking back, there's never ever any reasoning given for why she thinks I'm scum. The logic, initially, seems to be that I am attacking zwet, who she at the time thought was town, then she decides that zwet was scum, and then the attack became that I was busing him, then she decided that I also "had it in" for farside, which was also of course busing, and by extension I must be scum with jebus and sam.

Again, multiple levels of misrepresentation.

I reiterate that your behavior in the zwet wagon was scummy regardless of zwet's alignment. I have made this argument several times, and in detail as well. Other players agree with these points to various degrees.

I also maintain that you are quite possibly bus'ing farside. I just checked your behavior with Jebus, and I deem it to be a null tell. I also looked at your treatment of sam; you're ignoring him, except to complain that I find him scummy.

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I HATE YOU

Oh grow up.

I think you're scum in this game. Get over it. There's a possibility that you're turning this into something personal because it will make other players uncomfortable, and perhaps they'll let get away with it because you're leaving them with the impression that there's some sort of silly personal vendetta going on.

It's another way to discredit another player's arguments.

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One can be predictably illogical...

One can only predict what a logical person will say by oneself following the laws of logic. You cannot predict the conclusions of someone illogical. If they are predictably illogical, at best, you can predict that your ability to predict what they will say is a crap shoot 100% of the time.

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TSQ and DGB are distancing like shit.

Fuck.
You caught me.

Potentially scummy.

Bus'ing farside, after the NON-RAMDOM vote outlined above:

I could have sworn that all we had was a confirmation phase. Why is everyone act like we had a night 0?

What are you talking about?

People asked why DGB was still alive. My thought well because there was no night 0 that is why.
I just voted for her because she loves to BW me to death.

Unvote, Vote Farside

More bus'ing farside:

FYI, my current vote is not random.

Care to explain?

Not currently, no.
In my opinion the town is well served by knowing that my vote is not within the bounds of the RVI, but is not well served by knowing its purpose yet. All will be revealed in due time, my tiny little friend.

We have the claimed miller day vig our chosen lynch target, then we lynch him instead. I am a huge proponent of "lynch all millers," and this one comes without a net loss in lynches also.

I'd say that TQS is scum for even thinking of such a plan. Especially now that we know that zwet was town.

Here's the plan. We vote until we reach ~2 from lynch. Then when 2 other people have also expressed willingness to vote that person, we all switch to force the claimed miller vig to use his power on the player we suggested. Then we lynch him. Additionally, we could also force him to use his power on himself.

Yep. He's scum.

More bus'ing farside:

Currently most likely to be scum in my eyes is farside, but that could easily change. Like I said, the day just started.

Also, silly DGB, you don't need to vote for me. I would NK you any time I have a NK. No questions asked.

Scum setting up WIFOM self-confirmation by not NK'ing me tonight.

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Last post.

............. !

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I really don't get this whole DGB and TSQ issue, but I would really like it to stop.

I don't get it either, but I'm here to catch scum, and I can't give him a free pass because he might blow up. No special treatment.

If he's

not

worthy of a case, I'm relieved that I can leave him alone and get along. However, if he's worthy of a case, I will make it, and

que sera, sera

.

I apologize to the players for what they witnessed.

I bear no grudge or ill-will towards TSQ, he's a fine, sensitive, intelligent young man and I wish him the best from the bottom of my heart. He doesn't have to like me, I can respect him just the same.

The game is back on.

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Hey Qwints.. did you soft-claim vanilla a couple pages back?

My antenna picked that up.

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PS.. you seem pretty convinced Caboose is town. What makes you so sure?

Here I agree with samhorn.

Caboose's reactions on zwet were NOT scummy. They were very town.

The softclaim is a null tell, all the way.

I also like samhorn's case on hascow. Hascow hadn't struck me as scummy before, but there's nothing like a well-worded case to help me see the light.

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Or you can panic under the pressure like a good little scum.

B'ZZiiinnNnnnG!

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Great now that TSQ is gone I'm beating DGB will continue with her bussing theory where I can laugh in her face when shown as town.

Oh relax. Either he bus'ed you, or saw you as an easy victim to push into making mistakes that look scummy. Only you know which. I can only speculate. I do believe that the vacant TSQ-player slot is by far the scummiest in the game.

I don't agree with you about tajo as if he doesn't know how scum especially good scum can make themselves look good by saying someone looks town and they are town. So that whole please explain is utter crap coming from someone with his experience.
Guess I will go back and read cow just to make tajo happy but I don't give anyone a free pass.

That's true, and I considered it all in my equation. In PopTartajo's case, zwet was so insanely scummy, that scum could more easily look town by pushing for his lynch, than not.

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Great now that TSQ is gone I'm beating DGB will continue with her bussing theory where I can laugh in her face when shown as town.

Oh relax. Either he bus'ed you, or saw you as an easy victim to push into making mistakes that look scummy. Only you know which. I can only speculate.

...why do you keep repeating this over and over again after your basic premise has been repeatedly shown to be false?

Show me where my basic premise has been proven to be false. I don't believe that you can. Until you do, my argument stands.

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DGB has a strange obsession with bussing. TSQ would say that's because she busses when she's scum.

You should know better! I might say that it's because I've observed considerable bus'ing from by buddies. Always, right out of the garage. There's only so much early game bus'ing one can witness before hanging on to it as a highly effective way to find scum.

In other news, I'm not feeling the qwints wagon much.

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In other news, I'm not feeling the qwints wagon much.

Why?

Unprovoked Day 1 vanilla soft ice cream, not scummy much. Also, this post: http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 07#1494507

This being said, he's been pretty useless, he may be lurkerish scum, so meh.

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So, not only was your statement that "farside wan't around" just false, the whole jist of your argument seemed to be that there was something wrong with TSQ's initial farside vote, and I really don't get that at all; looks to me like he had a perfectly rational reason to vote her, especally considering it was only page 2; how much of a case do you expect him to be able to make on page 2?

I've seen enough scum bus right out of the garage to recognize likely signs.

Later on, after farside goes VLA, he keeps harping on farside. At some much later point, he mentions how he forgot how farside has provoked his ire, and that he wants to check it out again or some such.

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I just don't at all see this case you're trying to make here, DGB. You have a problem with his actions on the Zwet-wagon, fine; I could totally see him doing all that stuff as town, but I can understand why you might think it looks scummy; but there's really nothing at all wrong with his vote for farside.

We may differ on his interactions with farside. His actions on the zwet wagon were amongst the scummiest, if not THE scummiest.

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Qwints posts are just enough to keep him in the game, and that is unacceptable and definitely not useful.

So, why is it that it's worth putting qwints at L-3 and not stark?

Good question! Are you voting stark?

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He actually is, according to the vote count.

Relevance?

Extreme laziness on my part.

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Jebus didn't just enter the game.

Jebus! He's still alive? What are we thinking???

vote: Jebus

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As much as I disagree with him a large percentage of the time, I'm totally reading scotmany as town.

That's his town persona.

The kid is not scum.

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The rules come up mainly because I'm unwilling to play in the same game as someone who isn't playing to win; I'd like to know if you're in that category so that I can request replacement and save us all more aggravation.

Remember jujitsu, haha.

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Update on my inactivity - If I don't catch up this weekend, when I've got at least 20 hours of nothingness, I probably won't be able to catch up at all.

Sorry for not keeping up

What's so hard about lynching this guy?

I have to revote since I mucked up my quote tags earlier.

vote: Jebus

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Hey you silly billies, you are chasing the non optymal wagons. Hint: The cow has dissapeared and Farside is still lurking.
Qwints is not optymal. If he is scum it would be so fucking obvious the following days.

I support this plan, and spell checking the plan.

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I think Jebus should be a contender as well.

Which is your favorite for the lynch, farside or hascow?

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Jebus has done NOTHING, and he should have done SOMETHING when he was needed, ie, throughout the zwet debacle. I have not forgiven his absence.

I got a town vibe from farside.

I'd go with the mammal, too.

Alright then, wagon-ho!

unvote, vote hascow

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Explain your town vibe from farside in your following post.

I was going to, but then I realized that pretty much everything she posted is town, and not scum. As in, 'she wouldn't say that as scum' all over the place.

Jebus wasn't in this game, but he was on site, posting like mad in another ongoing game.

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Why don't you tell me 2 or 3 things she's said that you find scummy?

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I sorta see your points on farside, and I approve of questioning her, but I don't exactly see a slam dunk case for scummery.

In the qwints vs. Jebus lurker race, I'd put my money on Jebus. Not that qwints has done much to make his keister worthy of being saved.

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My vote stays on Korejora until she answers my question about her "playstyle".

We're not lynching her today. I like her avatar.

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Why can't you find the scummy player of your choice and vote? Why do you need a votecount?

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Asking for a votecount is reasonable to avoid the risk of a quick hammer, but Kore should say who she wants to vote for first.

Also focusing on one player at a time is better than focusing on the whole town. We just need to make sure we don't tunnel for the whole game.

I want to lynch moar qwints.

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I'm voting hascow.

I'm liking samhorn more and more.

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I want to lynch moar qwints.

Then why did you unvote?

There are many lynchworthy players in the game. The vacant TSQ player slot tops my list, but I won't get any traction on a wagon on a player that ragequit.

At the moment I fancy a hascow wagon moar than a qwints wagon, though my desire for a qwints wagon has increased after he made yet another useless post.

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I'm beginning to see that case against korejora, thanks for the summary.

Still I hate to see Jebus get away with it.

Revised scumlist: TSQ > hascow > Jebus > korejora > qwints

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I may have overreacted, but Korejora is still scum.

And how do you think I feel???

I work my keister off to find TSQ scum, and he runs away crying! And now no one is going to vote for him out of pity. All my labor up in smoke, with his tears.

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Can't we all just compromise on Jebus?

I'm willing and able.

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unvote, vote:Jebus

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You were both voting Qwints before. Why does Jebus have to be the compromise?

Why, do YOU have a preference?

I do, and I've explained it before. Have you?

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Update on my inactivity - If I don't catch up this weekend, when I've got at least 20 hours of nothingness, I probably won't be able to catch up at all.
Sorry for not keeping up

Guys...If Jebus does not catch up over the weekend, hes going to get replaced. Lynching him is an awful move.

We're doing him a favor. We'll ask for a prod when he's at minus 2, he'll claim/fakeclaim and we'll hammer if we're on to him. That's the plan so far. Can you help us get there?

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I understand that you actually think he might be scum, but I'm not going to vote someone for lurking. If he does not get caught up, he will be replaced, it is as simple as that. There is no reason to force him to claim.

I like to hunt scum by looking for positive signs, and by process of elimination of those players that appear townie. I've seen positive signs in TSQ, I've eliminated a whole bunch more players from being scum, and that leaves me with a few lurkers, one of which showed some scum signs.

Someone has to be forced to claim. I'd like it to be him rather than some of the players I feel are townies.

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What??????

Only three votes on Jebus?????

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He's most likely going to get replaced. I'm willing to bet my accountthat Jebus just didn't care about this game and made no conscious effort to actively lurk. Which makes the current case on him absurd.

How can you tell the difference between someone that is actively lurking, and someone that is not making a conscious effort to actively lurk?

I'm pretty sure that being at L-2 is going to end the lurking. Shall we test the theory?

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I agree with Scot and Sam. Voting Jebus is a waste of time.

That's rich coming from you, since you're voting qwints.

Just sayin'

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Why isn't there more votes on me I've been too quiet this game.

Because DGB chainsawed TSQ so hard for voting you on page 3? Everyone is afraid.

Wagons and suspicions for no good reason are highly suspect. TSQ's going after farside fell into that scummy category of disproportionate suspicion. I am getting a town read on farside, so perhaps it's not bus'ing (though it looked like it) as much as zeroing in on a player that will be easily pushed into scummy posting.

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Huzzah!

Can I make Tar cry?

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@DGB - Yos2 commented on your playstyle as a method akin to flinging shit to see what sticks. What is currently sticking in your opinion?

My case on TSQ isn't sticking, much to my chagrin.

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I think the soft claim is a null tell, what has made me have my vote on him is his awful posts. He has very little to say about anything in this game, other than his little soft claim.

Oh alright, I totally agree with this.

unvote, vote: qwints

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I'm not liking Rogueben's asking of questions instead of stating his own opinions. Also, the questions are a bit off and not what I'd called 'pointed' or 'particularly relevant.' The whole exercise feels like fake scumhunting and giving the appearance of participation, cheating off other players while holding his own cards close to his chest.

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It kinda seemed like, to me that is, that he's trying to gather everyone's feelings w/o having to read, but that's just they way i see it.

I wish I could be so charitable. But I'm a cold, heartless brute. I don't see it that way, at all.

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Look at this scummy post.

ORLY

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Come on, slackers, if we want to do it, we can.

unvote, vote: stark

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I'm willing to revote qwints in a heartbeat if there's a need.

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PopTartajo softclaimed???

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What exactly is the case on Stark?

All his posts. Read them.

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Add to your list:

Has continued to avoid contributing while in jeopardy of being lynched.

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Everybody on this stark wagon is super scummy!

Why, exacatlly? And why?

Hey camn... look at Yos' spelling of "exactly!" Is that a soft claim?

*just kidding*

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Note that I'm still not reading two peoples' posts and they take up a good 1/2 of the posts in this game, so if they have a different case on stark I'm unaware of it.

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Our dayvig could do worse than shooting sam.samhorn tomorrow.

I support this motion.

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I'm sorry...what separates stark from qwints?

Has continued to avoid contributing while in jeopardy of being lynched.

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I'm sorry...what separates stark from qwints?

Has continued to avoid contributing while in jeopardy of being lynched.

Pretty sure qwints has done that too.

No, qwints has been around. And stark contributed less sensible content than qwints, which, given that stark is capable of much better, is no mean feat.

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Read his posts in the last 10 days and tell me if you still think that he has contributed sensible content.

More than stark.

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stark is ahead in the count. Curiously, some players find him worth defending. Why, when stark himself feels differently?

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Because Qwints is a much better lynch.

Stark only has a few minor points against him.

I find your defense of stark, at qwint's expense, suspicious. Your reaction is out of proportion considering the worth of either lynch candidate. If stark flips town, it doesn't look good for you.

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Sometimes I feel that scotmany is a contrarian for its own sake.

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I'd like to point out that when I just saw stark's name as viewing this subforum, a minute ago, I got excited that he might post, and defend himself.

But he did not. Apparently, he read, and left without posting.

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How much pot would I have to smoke to understand stark's post?

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stark isn't confirmed town.

I know.

Can we go back to lynching him?

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I'm totally unimpressed with stark's recent participation. In comparison, qwints is a keeper.

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That's the mason subclaim, people.

Once they've gone that far, if they were real masons, they would have claimed flavor, or something to lend credibility to their claim.

A vanilla softclaim is much less suspicious than a mason softclaim. But this may be due to my fondness for vanilla softserve ice cream.

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1213

Is that 733t speak or rubbish? I can't tell. Can we lynch him already?

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It's still meaningless.

DIE SCUM DIE

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This stark wagon is weaksause. I don't have a read on his alignment or anything, I'm not going to repeat Sam and say he's "obviously town", but no one has given anything like a good reason to be voting Stark here.

So, don't vote, and let the rest of us do the dirty work.

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camn isn't scum. The scum is trying to distract us from a worthy lynch.

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I'm really having trouble accepting something which 3 out of the 7 people on the stark wagon took as a serious claim and unvoted because of, as an "obvious joke".

I don't get it, either.

I do know that scotmany is a constant contrarian. I'm learning that after they made scotmany, they didn't break the mold, and they made samhorn.

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Dismissive arrogance is a big scumtell, and stark has committed it time and time again.

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There is no reason for the starkwagon to have lost steam like it did.

Hascow, can you claim in a hurry so that we can go back to lynching stark?

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This game is spinning and going nowhere fast.

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Wasn't your major point that he wasn't contributing in comparison with Qwints? Do you still believe this?

His 'contribution' has been nothing but cryptic rubbish.

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Thanks.

Can stark die now?

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While flavor meta does suck, your role having to do with the Spanish Inquisition doesn't help convince me you're town.

I see your point. But the relationship between my own role name, and actual role, is quite a stretch.

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If hascow is telling the truth, he can be (1) nightkilled or (2) prove his ability.

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stark is a non-voting coward.

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...and stark is going to disappear again.

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While flavor meta does suck, your role having to do with the Spanish Inquisition doesn't help convince me you're town.

I see your point. But the relationship between my own role name, and actual role, is quite a stretch.

I am in the same boat. I read the wiki article on my person, and it is a pretty giant stretch from my role to person. So I'm a little bit hesitant on Hascow's ability.

If you follow the logic, you should be believe hascow's claim more, not less. You want us short of a power role, scum?

Has, can you investigate me tonight? We can test it that way.

Has will pick whoever he feels is worthy, scum.

Can I have a brief explanation for the cay wagon?

You're looking for an excuse to wagon, scum?

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CRYWOLF:

Why don't you claim now so that we have time to lynch stark?

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Crywolf needs to stop throwing food every 15 minutes and look at this game.

Alright.

unvote, vote: crywolf

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This day is a disaster.

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Hey DGB and camn, can you help me beat some sense into Tarhalindur?

If it means that we're ltynching one of stark or Rogueben to day, I might be able to do something.

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DGB, why Rogue?

Because TSQ.

And what is the case on Stark? Do you still believe he hasn't been contributing?

Cryptic posts about Dr Livingstone aren't contribution.

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DGB, one question: Do you know why Tarhalindur is being a complete idiot?

If not, try rereading my posts.

Please give me the condensed version.

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I'm a daycop-vigilante-recruiting mason.
Actually, no, I'm not.

^ This is obvtown.

I believe 3/4 of the claim. But daycop???

OK everyone, Xyl is town. Tar, knock it off.

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I'm a daycop-vigilante-recruiting mason.

Actually, no, I'm not.

^ This is obvtown.

Nice WIFOM.

It's not. You knock it off, too, and find some other player to pester.

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Seriously DGB? You do not see how this is WIFOM? And here I though you were somewhat decent at this game.

It's not WIFOM. I can read Xyl's mind, and you can't.

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WIFOM, maybe you should explain to all of us why he is town.

I have reason to believe his role claim. Ask no more.