Medieval Mafia - Game Over

[hasdgfas]

wait a second, did DGB actually....

make sense

to me?
I have to read that again.

[hasdgfas]

vote: zwet

Wrong, the "RVS" is exactly what needs the most screwing around with as it's completely unnecessary.

[hasdgfas]

I could have sworn that all we had was a confirmation phase. Why is everyone act like we had a night 0?

Don't role fish.

(Another comment Camn can appreciate)

what? (on both counts)

[hasdgfas]

I could have sworn that all we had was a confirmation phase. Why is everyone act like we had a night 0?

Don't role fish.

(Another comment Camn can appreciate)

what? (on both counts)

"Fishing"

I'm so confused now. Please explain what you're talking about.

[hasdgfas]

I remember Cam Neely!
Just from the name, though... I never was into him... He was on some EASTERN conference team, wasn't he?
I live out west.

But I remember the name.

Yeah. Bruins.

TSQ, how do you have a serious vote on Farside already?

How do you find it so hard to believe that a serious vote is out already?

[hasdgfas]

I'm claiming now, so you don't waste an investigation on me. I'm Sir Gawaine's son, a miller one shot day vig.

you're 99% going to be using that day vig today

[hasdgfas]

I'm claiming now, so you don't waste an investigation on me. I'm Sir Gawaine's son, a miller one shot day vig.

you're 99% going to be using that day vig today

Whats the 1%?

some shenanigans that prevent it.

[hasdgfas]

Tadaa! I am not a miller or a dayvig. Behold my awesomeness. Discuss reactions. You're welcome.

zwet, if you're gambiting, you're supposed to be the one who's finding the reactions, not leaving them for others to find.

Also, you're no DGB.

[hasdgfas]

my vote is already on zwet and isn't moving.

[hasdgfas]

hey zwet, got any flavor backing for being a martyr/bodyguard?

[hasdgfas]

hey zwet, got any flavor backing for being a martyr/bodyguard?

More than what he already posted?
What are you looking for?

what? He hasn't posted

any

flavor besides a name. I want to know why William Wallace is a martyr/bodyguard. What are you trying to say here?

[hasdgfas]

hey zwet, got any flavor backing for being a martyr/bodyguard?

More than what he already posted?
What are you looking for?

what? He hasn't posted

any

flavor besides a name. I want to know why William Wallace is a martyr/bodyguard. What are you trying to say here?

I thought I was pretty clear.
Why do you want more flavor?
Anyone who has seen

Brave Heart

could make up flavor for this... so I don't see the purpose.

FoS: camn

Because if he can't come up with flavor, why should we believe him? I don't like at all how you gave him an out here.

[hasdgfas]

I don't see the case on Jebus or TSQ, but Sam's post is definitely at the very least a Freudian slip.

what? how?

[hasdgfas]

anyone want to claim that?

[hasdgfas]

anyone want to claim that?

Anyone want to stop rolefishing?

Vote: hasdgfas

please tell me why a claim by whoever used this is a bad idea.

[hasdgfas]

Hasdgfas has rolefished like 4-5 times this game (obviously exaggeration) but I would say def. 2.

please point them out. (yeah, the one caboose voted me for is obv one, but what's the other?)

[hasdgfas]

please tell me why a claim by whoever used this is a bad idea.

Outing a possible day vig this early is like using sandpaper as toilet paper: it's just not a good idea.

oh I see. You just don't want a confirmed townie. Is that it? If not, please enlighten me.

[hasdgfas]

please tell me why a claim by whoever used this is a bad idea.

Outing a possible day vig this early is like using sandpaper as toilet paper: it's just not a good idea.

oh I see. You just don't want a confirmed townie. Is that it? If not, please enlighten me.

If it is a dayvig, I would like that person to continue to be able to use that power without being NKed.

I don't like the misrep.

I'd prefer to have a confirmed townie(who has plenty of ways of surviving the night) that we can listen to and "know" that they're town as opposed to a dayvig who could die and not help us in any extra way.

[hasdgfas]

Policy lynching D1 in a large game is

NOT

a scumtell.

It is when you could be scumhunting. We had our martyr get vigged. Said martyr was wagoned. It is not like there is no information to go and look at. Lynching lurkers should not be the priority when we can actually catch scum.

There's always hascows and his rolefishing...

in my opinion, a confirmed townie is better to have than a vig. I'll drop it though as nobody seems to agree with me.

[hasdgfas]

How does the confirmed POWER ROLE townie then avoid being nightkilled, may I ask?

there are plenty of ways for a role to avoid getting NK'd. But even if the dayvig was NK'd, I don't find that to be a huge negative. Sure, we lose a power role, but the scum could easily have made a more crippling kill than a dayvig.

[hasdgfas]

hascow, I don't see why anyone should claim the kill on Zwet. It's pretty powerful if they don't have to post in thread to kill during the day. That's not a role that we want exposed.

which is why I'm dropping it. Nobody seems to agree with me, and it's not my top priority.

[hasdgfas]

And don't be silly.

If someone were CONFIRMED town, I wouldn't lynch them. I would hope they were nightkilled

... but I wouldn't lynch them, as town OR scum.

This seems pretty strange to me. Why would you hope that a

confirmed town

is nightkilled? Wouldn't you want them to stay alive and continue to be confirmed?

[hasdgfas]

Already clarified. Post 473.
Read better please.
If you can't follow the context of a discussion, don't bother trying.

I'm sorry that I can't keep up with everything going on in everyone's conversations. I saw something that needed clarification, I asked for clarification on it.

[hasdgfas]

Also, why don't I have a bunch of people blindly following me? No IRC players in this game?

Xyl, could you explain why this post was necessary? Seems to me like it's just there because you

want

people to blindly follow you.

[hasdgfas]

Also, why don't I have a bunch of people blindly following me? No IRC players in this game?

Xyl, could you explain why this post was necessary? Seems to me like it's just there because you

want

people to blindly follow you.

This cow needs to die. Please.

please explain why this post has had such an effect on you, because I sure don't see what you do.

[hasdgfas]

It wasnt only that post. I disagree with at least 80% of everything you have posted so far.

so disagreeing with someone makes them scummy?

[hasdgfas]

It wasnt only that post. I disagree with at least 80% of everything you have posted so far.

so disagreeing with someone makes them scummy?

What you are proposing posts ago is scummy. Its not that the majority thinks different, as you assume. Its that I dont see any protown motive behind the proposition of outing our vig.

that's fine, which is why I dropped it. Nobody agrees with me.

You are rolefishing like crazy.

I dropped the vig claiming thing, so please tell me you have a different example of this.

You are not analyzing things that deserve to be analyzed. You are analizing weak things (like asking Xyl what he was trying to do with his joke comment in or asking camn for clarification of something obvious.) I mean, using your words, was that necessary?

"joke comments" are often the most important things to look at, and camn's statement was obviously not obvious since I asked for clarification on it.

[hasdgfas]

looking at kmd, because I've been getting some strange vibes from him.

Post 2:

I could have sworn that all we had was a confirmation phase. Why is everyone act like we had a night 0?

Don't role fish.

(Another comment Camn can appreciate)

I already mentioned that this was weird, but looking at it closer, I find it really weird. Why is he making a "joke comment" that only one other person can understand? Feels like buddying to me. Plus, calling that role fishing, even as a joke, doesn't make sense to me.

Post 7:

I remember Cam Neely!
Just from the name, though... I never was into him... He was on some EASTERN conference team, wasn't he?
I live out west.

But I remember the name.

Yeah. Bruins.

TSQ, how do you have a serious vote on Farside already?

Already commented on this, but I will again, since I'm going through kmd. Commenting on someone's serious vote feels off to me, and I don't understand why kmd felt it necessary to ask how he has a serious vote out.

Post 10:

Because he didn't give a reason for it.

This as the explanation for him asking the question in his post 7 doesn't sit right with me. Expecting a reason behind every serious vote seems scum-motivated to me.

Post 11:

I'm claiming now, so you don't waste an investigation on me. I'm Sir Gawaine's son, a miller one shot day vig.

If you are a miller, this is the right move. Not sure I would have included the vig part though.

Adding the "not sure I would have included the vig part though" seems unnecessary to me. Why do you feel the need to add that? Seems like just making an inane comment that does nothing with regards to believing him or not.

Post 16:

Yeah, an unprovoked fakeclaim. And nothing to give us from it?

Interesting move...

This does absolutely nothing. Again, it's just a comment about what happened and not actually trying to draw anything from it or trying to say anything.

Post 17:

Vote Zwet

Ideally, I would like to see him dead before he gets to post again, just in case he is a scum dayvig. I am 100% serious about this.

This is a good point. If he's scum dayvig, I don't want to give him a chance to shoot a townie.

DGB is my second suspect right now.

Now kmd jumps on the zwet wagon after seeing that it's going quite fast. He had one of the earliest chances to vote for zwet after the fakeclaim, but decided to not take sides. Now he takes sides after seeing that it's popular. I don't like that.

Post 19:

Martyr? Pretty sure what you described is a bodyguard...

This also seems to do absolutely nothing for the game. Seems like this comment is just designed to bring unnecessary attention to the name of zwet's role, since the same role can have different names with different mods, flavor, etc.

Post 28:

Howzabout we lynch sam today and I protect DGB. That way, in the morning after people try to NK DGB, I'll be dead and confirmed, and DGB can

bus

TSQ.

The bolded is one of at least 3 things wrong with this post.

I don't like how you mention that there are at least 3 things wrong with the post, but only point out one of them. Why not point out the others?


Post 39: This is an analysis of qwints, followed by a vote, but I don't really know why qwints is being voted for. There's analysis, but no conclusions. Seems like trying to look like a case is being made, but I don't see one. Why are you voting for qwints?


kmd seems to be making a lot of inane comments that look like they're contributions when they're actually not. The case on qwints seems pretty similar in that it's supposed to look like a case, but just seems to be making little comments on his posts, followed by a vote. I don't actually know why he's voting for qwints.
Then there's him jumping on the zwet wagon really late after everyone else did, even though if he actually found what zwet did scummy, he had an chance 5 hours before. I find it unlikely that he changed his mind from it being not scummy to scummy in that period of time. I think he just jumped on because he wouldn't get a lot of flak for it.
Because of that and because I want some answers,

vote: kmd

PREVIEW EDIT:
@Xyl: Do what?
@tajo 516: which game was that again? (I'll look at 515 after posting this)

[hasdgfas]

It wasnt only that post. I disagree with at least 80% of everything you have posted so far.

so disagreeing with someone makes them scummy?

What you are proposing posts ago is scummy. Its not that the majority thinks different, as you assume. Its that I dont see any protown motive behind the proposition of outing our vig.

that's fine, which is why I dropped it. Nobody agrees with me.

Any idea why?

Because I'm horrible at explaining my reasoning for why it's a good idea.

You are rolefishing like crazy.

I dropped the vig claiming thing, so please tell me you have a different example of this.

When did I say there was other example?

I assumed there was because you said I was "rolefishing like crazy", and I would assume that that included more than one example.

You are not analyzing things that deserve to be analyzed. You are analizing weak things (like asking Xyl what he was trying to do with his joke comment in or asking camn for clarification of something obvious.) I mean, using your words, was that necessary?

"joke comments" are often the most important things to look at, and camn's statement was obviously not obvious since I asked for clarification on it.

You are not getting the problem. I can buy that joke comments can also contain information but when there are 1000000 things more important to analyze then there is something odd. You are avoiding them for whatever reason. Also whats the difficult part in camn's post?

camn said that she wanted a confirmed townie to get NK'd, and it wasn't clear to me that she was talking about a confirmed townie who was lurking, so I wanted clarification.

[hasdgfas]

Now kmd

jumps on the zwet wagon

after seeing that it's going quite fast. He had one of the earliest chances to vote for zwet after the fakeclaim, but decided to not take sides. Now he takes sides after seeing that it's popular. I don't like that.

Um. I'm pretty sure the vote is a small sign of which side I was taking.

Well, yes, obviously, but you're not actually answering my point. You had an earlier chance immediately after zwet took back his fakeclaim. Why didn't you vote for him then? Why did you instead wait until a bunch of other people had jumped on?

I don't like how you mention that there are at least 3 things wrong with the post, but only point out one of them. Why not point out the others?

Are you even reading this game? Serious question.

I pointed out the other things wrong with it maybe 2 or 3 posts later in the back and forth I had with Zwet just before his death.

First off, the "are you reading the game?" comment doesn't do much for me. I've used it before, but I don't like it, because it's not actually answering a question/accusation.
Ok, you answered it later. Why didn't you mention the others in this post?

This is an analysis of qwints, followed by a vote, but I don't really know why qwints is being voted for. There's analysis, but no conclusions. Seems like trying to look like a case is being made, but I don't see one. Why are you voting for qwints?

Look at the analysis. It basically IS a conclusion. The case is there.

kmd seems to be making a lot of inane comments that look like they're contributions when they're actually not. The case on qwints seems pretty similar in that it's supposed to look like a case, but just seems to be making little comments on his posts, followed by a vote. I don't actually know why he's voting for qwints.
Then there's him jumping on the zwet wagon really late after everyone else did, even though if he actually found what zwet did scummy, he had an chance 5 hours before. I find it unlikely that he changed his mind from it being not scummy to scummy in that period of time. I think he just jumped on because he wouldn't get a lot of flak for it.
Because of that and because I want some answers, vote: kmd

Seriously, read. There is a case on Qwints. I was NOT late on Zwet. Read the game.

Could you restate the main points in your case on qwints? I'm still not seeing them.

[hasdgfas]

1)

Rolefishing when zwet died scummily.

Proof:

anyone want to claim that?

Caboose noted this shortly thereafter.
Also, this is the scummiest thing in the world:

please tell me why a claim by whoever used this is a bad idea.

Outing a possible day vig this early is like using sandpaper as toilet paper: it's just not a good idea.

oh I see. You just don't want a confirmed townie. Is that it? If not, please enlighten me.

Yeah, I was trying too hard to make people try to understand why I thought the dayvig claiming was a good idea. I have since dropped that, because nobody agrees with me that it's a good idea.

2)

"Searching for a case"

This is the classic scumtell IMHO. When someone tries to instigate a case on someone because he thinks he can manipulate someone into looking scummy while still trying to look like a townie himself. This post set off my 'dar:

Also, why don't I have a bunch of people blindly following me? No IRC players in this game?

Xyl, could you explain why this post was necessary? Seems to me like it's just there because you

want

people to blindly follow you.

Xyl made a clear joke when he came into the game which was pretty obvious to everyone -- I've never played mafia in IRC but what I got from that post was that he plays in IRC a lot and is blindly followed by other mafia players. hasdgfas tries to morph that post into an attack on Xyl even though this was very shortly after he replaced.

It should be duly noted that this was directly after hasdgfas was under fire for the second quoted post above (the one where he wanted a confirmed townie to step up out of nowhere after doing a dayvig). I take this pretty clearly as trying to change the subject and derail attention away from him.

I love looking at "joke posts" because they actually tell us quite a bit more than almost anything else. However, in case you didn't notice, I didn't actually go anywhere once Xyl explained what was going on with it. If I was really "searching for a case" on Xyl, wouldn't I have continued trying to find something on him?

Call this a gut, but this upcoming post is difficult to explain:

It wasnt only that post. I disagree with at least 80% of everything you have posted so far.

so disagreeing with someone makes them scummy?

But I don't see a townie having this reaction after someone's accused them of being scum. He's trying to imply a clearly rational and logical approach to a dumb question and making it look like he's trying to formulate a case when populartajo just accused him of being scum with nothing more than an accusation with no logic behind it.

tajo accused me of being scum and said that he disagreed with 80% of everything I have posted so far. With no other reasoning, I assumed that it was simply because he disagreed with me, and therefore wanted clarification.

25 minutes after another "rationalizing this scummy behavior" post he brings out a big doozy of a caze (translation: not a case at all) on kmd that only nitpicks at some things he's done and isn't a cold hard case on anyone at all. This is without question an effort to divert attention away from himself (the second time in the last day or two) when attention was being driven onto him for being scummy.

sam, am I not allowed to continue to point out who I think is scummy and why when I'm being attacked? That's what I'm getting from this post, that commenting on anything besides defending myself is "diverting attention".

Ever since he's addressed those points and TSQ and DGB got into their little tussle then he's started lurking. Combine that with the fact that he was suspiciously "lurking-but-still-active-enough" before he said that first stupid comment makes me 90% sure he's scum.

TSQ/DGB seems just silly to me, and I don't fully understand what went on there. And "lurking-but-still-active-enough" doesn't make sense to me. Could you explain further?

[hasdgfas]

Mod:

I have way too much to do in real life right now and will be doing my best to not post anywhere until Tuesday. Feel free to replace me if you think that's too long to be gone.

[hasdgfas]

Can't do a post today guys, too much stuff going on. I hope to get one in at some point tomorrow though. If you have any questions for me to answer in that post, go ahead and ask them.

[hasdgfas]

first off

unvote

I want a clean slate as I read what's happened since Thursday.


Post 764 - kore: what's wrong with a case "out of thin air"? I realized I had been getting bad vibes from kmd all game, and decided to go look at him a bit closer.
Post 771 - qwints: wait, so what? That's a horrible reason for a softclaim, especially when it does the exact opposite thing that you're trying to do.
Post 774 - Yos: I agree with Yosarian2.
Post 781 - DGB: So one post you like is better than everything else he's done?
Post 788 - Caboose: Why isn't it scummy?
Post 795 - Jebus: *twitch*
Post 800 - scot: stark's not posting at all. How would he be able to jump from one popular wagon to another?
Post 809 - Xyl: Why is this a higher priority than qwints, who actually is being scummy?
Post 826 - Xyl: I really don't like this post by Xyl, because he's blaming someone else for something that's completely his fault.
Post 846 - camn: Got any reasons for that or just throwing it out there?
Post 869 - tajo: Thanks for noticing I was V/LA, tajo, it's not like I was lurking. I didn't post

anywhere

from Thursday-Tuesday. Also, if he is scum, we shouldn't let qwints survive to following days.
Post 882 - tajo: It seems to me like this is saying that you know qwints is town. Why is that? Would you rather lynch someone who's not going to be useful in the future or someone who will actually do stuff that we can find out if they're scum later?
Post 901 - kmd: Hmm, I dislike the "no one can look at your voting records" argument. I find looking at "voting records" is talked about as being a better idea than it actually is. Looking at everything else is usually smarter, with looking at vote

context

being the best idea.
Post 912 - qwints: this doesn't say anything. Can you actually say something in this game?
Post 917 - sam: Saying that you're not going to read Xyl's posts is anti-town. What if you're in endgame with him and one other person?
Post 926 - sam: Not reading a certain person's posts is really anti-town.
Post 943 - Xyl: Why? what's

wrong

right with qwints?
Post 963 - farside: Is that really all you have to say?
Post 973 - qwints: How have you not been lynched yet?
Post 984 - Xyl: This seems like a possible lead-in to an attack on Yos. Xyl, why'd you feel it necessary to make this comment?
Post 988 - kmd: What is interesting about this? This seems to be yet another inane comment that you're making too many of in this whole game.'
Post 1004 - Xyl: Why? What has he done to make you think that?
Post 1006 - tajo: Dang it tajo, I was V/LA. Did you not catch that when multiple people said it?
Post 1010 - Xyl: What evidence against him was weak? Why is a fast wagon a sign of the wagoned player being town as opposed to pretty obvious scum?
Post 1019 - sam: A) I've been V/LA, B) I'm not scum, C) the rest of the town finds other people scummier
Post 1022 - Xyl: I'm not really a big fan of pulling out your own meta as a defense. meta should be a defense looked at by others to try to figure out if you're scum or town.
Post 1027 - Rogueben: I think qwints has the most value at this point. Jebus has been replaced, so I'm giving the replacement time to let me get a good read on him.

conclusions:
farside is way too quiet this game. I've never seen her this quiet. Feels off to me.
I don't like Xyl/Kore claming their own meta as their defense, although Kore feels better to me as she was attempting to explain why she uses her meta, but I don't remember seeing too much from Xyl besides "I always do this, so it's not scummy". If I'm missing something though, feel free to point it out. Not to mention that he tried to blame the derailing of the qwints wagon on Kore when nobody else even cared and he was the only one to unvote qwints because of it.

FoS: Xyl

I'm not a fan of tajo trying to build my wagon while I was V/LA, but I can somewhat understand it.
Looking back at kmd's case after some time away from the game, it's not as bad as I originally thought, but it was still a bit difficult to find the points.
qwints really needs to die. Not going to vote immediately as A) I want a votecount to see what it looks like and B) I want people to actually read this before night.

[hasdgfas]

hasdgfas: I'm not claiming my meta as a defense, I'm just trying to give Tar realistic expectations about what he'll find when he does his analysis.

I'm not talking about telling Tar what to look for on you, I'm talking about the interactions with Kore, where people were claiming you were anti-town for going after her and your reaction was, as far as I can recall, "I always do this."

[hasdgfas]

Look at this scummy post.

so why is it scummy?

[hasdgfas]

ok, seeing the vote count, I will

vote: qwints

[hasdgfas]

Acknowliding prod. I don't have much of an opinion at this point, but it's obvious cow is doing whatever he can to stay alive.

Right, because I didn't express suspicion of you recently

[hasdgfas]

ok, seeing the vote count, I will

vote: qwints

Assume for a minute qwints is town. What do you think would be his natural reaction to this vote?

an attempt to defend himself from what the points I made against him in my catch-up post.

[hasdgfas]

Because the objective of this game is to catch scum not catch useless players.

but useless players can still be scum and are liabilities when we get late in the game because they won't help us catch scum.

[hasdgfas]

Misrepresentation. I didnt vote Jebus for being useless.

Jebus staying away and avoiding this zwet situation is scummy.

tajo, how is that not voting for being useless?

Look at this scummy post.

so why is it scummy?

Because the only thing you can come up with after pages of accusations on you as well as your being absent for many days is a "long" post with a whole bunch of short, useless comments and questions. You're trying to participate, instead of participating. This doesn't help your cause in the least.

My vote is not moving from hasdgfas, no matter what the deadline is.

It's how I like to catch up. Stream-of-consciousness, commenting on things I see and asking questions as I see them or have questions. It's not like I didn't comment on my thoughts of people based on that afterwards.

[hasdgfas]

Misrepresentation. I didnt vote Jebus for being useless.

Jebus staying away and avoiding this zwet situation is scummy.

tajo, how is that not voting for being useless?

Wait, what? Cant you spot the difference?

You're voting Jebus for not doing anything. That looks to me like voting for being useless. Did you mean something else by it?

[hasdgfas]

Now on cow:

Not sure why cow pushes zwet's claim. Did he not watch braveheart?

No, actually, I didn't watch braveheart. I wanted a flavor explanation for it.

The problem with asking about a confirmed townie is you don't know if a doctor or protecting role exsist in the game so why out that person?

I'd rather have a confirmed townie for at least one day than a dayvig who may or may not have shots left who still could get killed without having us being able to interact with him while we are pretty sure he's town.

Later cow makes a case on kmd but later backs off and joins the qwints BW with nothing to add or say on it.

Yes, I made a case on kmd, but after my time away from the game(and MS in general), I did some rereading and saw his qwints case a little better and didn't see a whole lot else that was all that scummy from him. It's interesting what some time away from a game can let you see when you come back to it.

Yes I have been quiet. I hate, hate, hate day 1 in large games. That's why I would rather replace in a large game then start in day 1.

Ok, I can understand that, but then why do you make posts like this when it doesn't take all that long to look at some posts and try to glean something from that?

Why isn't there more votes on me I've been too quiet this game.

I know this will be an odd thing to be picky about but I didnt' get the I will be gone for 4 or 5 days you can replace me if neccessary comment. It's only 5 days why state that you could be replaced? What mod would replace someone who is going to be gone less then a week?

In a deadlined game, some mods don't like people being gone for 5 days while saying that they're not going to be posting at all. It's usually "I'll try to post, but might not get a chance".

Plus it comes when he is getting pressure about his wanting the vig to claim.

No, it really doesn't. I got that immediately upon saying that, and at this point other things were going on with regards to me. Sure, the wanting the vig to claim was something people were asking me about, but that's happened since I said it, not just right before I left for a bit.

Know no I'm not saying he planned it his leave and the pressure. I'm saying stating he can be replaced looks like a cheap way out. It leaves a bad taste in my mouth. I also don't like his vote on qwints with nothing there.

I stated in all 3 games that I'm in that I was going to be gone and that the mods could replace me if necessary. I wanted to leave it up to them, because that's a not-insignificant amount of time to be gone, and it takes time to catch up once people get back, so I didn't want to be a liability to the game if the mod thought it would be a good idea if there was someone actually contributing and responding to stuff while I would have been completely ignoring everything.
What is there to add about qwints? He's said nothing all game and then when I voted for him, he goes and says "cow is doing whatever he can to stay alive" when A) trying to stay alive is not a scumtell, because both sides want to stay alive, and B) he didn't even try to defend himself or explain the points I had about his posts.

In addition, for people such as tajo, who are pointing out that qwints is always this useless, I point you to Mafia 83, where he was a very useful and contributive player, and also town. It's not as though he's somehow incapable of contributing. He can, why are we letting him skate by?

[hasdgfas]

Has, was qwints "useful" D1 in that game?

yes, actually, he was. I wouldn't call him one of the "top contributors", but he was actually bringing things to the game instead of just useless and inane comments like here.

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unvote

Caboose vouching for zwet combined w/ zwet claiming bodyguard means I don't want to lynch zwet today.

WTF? zwet was waggoned because he claimed miller and then unclaimed. The fact that he got vigged further points out that townie players thought he was scum. I find it hard to believe that zwet's antics will provide much useful information at this point.

Has, do you find these posts useless or inane?

The first one, no, but I find it scummy because he seems to be blindly trusting Caboose, which I think is a bad idea.

The second one is also scummy because he's trying to get the town to not look at every source of information we have.

So no, I don't find them useless or inane, but I do find them scummy, which is worse than useless or inane. Plus, even if they were considered "good" posts in this game, he made quite a few more than 2, even just in day 1 in the other game that were useful.

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Has, thoughts of stark?

Would prefer a qwints lynch, but am willing to switch if necessary.
Tajo, what makes stark different than qwints in terms of "lynchability"?

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Jokes and scum bullshit look exactly the same, you know.
The "lolz! pwned!!" defense is the oldest trick in the book.

QFT.

How are they remotely similar? Is a joke a scumtell or something?

YES

No it is not. Jokes are not scumtells, but trying to play a joke off as a scumtell is scummy.

how do you think we get out of the "random stage"?
Someone does something that's a "joke" and others perceive it as scummy. Why shouldn't that be moved to other points in the game?

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MOD:

CORRECTION: Xythlm is in violation of

RULE 3, SUBCLAUSE B

stark, why do you feel it necessary to ask for a modkill in thread?
I find that quite scummy.

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MOD:

CORRECTION: Xythlm is in violation of

RULE 3, SUBCLAUSE B

stark, why do you feel it necessary to ask for a modkill in thread?
I find that quite scummy.

Wow.
I wonder if you read stark's post.

Unvote

Vote: hascows

why yes, as a matter of fact, I did read stark's post. He asked for a modkill because of rule 3, which is "have fun, don't make personal attacks." I don't see anything there that's a personal attack or not having fun.
What in that post is worthy of a vote, if I may ask?

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why yes, as a matter of fact, I did read stark's post. He asked for a modkill because of rule 3, which is "have fun, don't make personal attacks." I don't see anything there that's a personal attack or not having fun.
What in that post is worthy of a vote, if I may ask?

I'm pretty sure stark meant that as a joke.
Trying to torque that into a scumtell is scummy.

looks pretty serious to me

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why yes, as a matter of fact, I did read stark's post. He asked for a modkill because of rule 3, which is "have fun, don't make personal attacks." I don't see anything there that's a personal attack or not having fun.
What in that post is worthy of a vote, if I may ask?

I'm pretty sure stark meant that as a joke.
Trying to torque that into a scumtell is scummy.

looks pretty serious to me

and this is the exact same discussion we've been having. Did you vote Xyl, Tar, or whoever else voted/expressed suspicion for stark for his earlier "joke"?

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The earlier mason softclaim had nothing around it to indicate it was a joke. stark's "request" for an Xyl modkill is so absurd that it looks like a joke.

Unless I'm "dense" and I can't read stark's posts correctly.

it doesn't look at all like a joke to me. He took posts of Xyl's and called out for a modkill. It looks completely serious to me. We apparently just have complete opposite views on this. As I have mentioned before(I think), I like looking at so-called "joke" posts or comments to find scum. Even if you think it's a joke, it's still really scummy to ask for a modkill.

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Rule 3 subclause B is "Have Fun"

Please calm down hasdgfas.

stark: how was Xyl not following that rule?

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MOD:

CORRECTION: Xythlm is in violation of

RULE 3, SUBCLAUSE B

stark, why do you feel it necessary to ask for a modkill in thread?
I find that quite scummy.

This cow is so scum it hurts. I really think stark lynch is not the way to go with obvscum here.

Unvote Vote : Has.

this is just turning into argument through repetition. Do you have an actual argument or are you just assuming that with enough repetition of your point, people will listen to you?

Preview edit:

FoS: Caboose

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I followed through on my promise, how is that scummy?

If you didn't think Yos2 was scummy, you shouldn't have voted for him this close to deadline, no matter for how long.

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CLAIM(bolded so people can see it):

Tomas de Torquemada, Spanish Inquisitor General, aka Name Cop

@sam: I'm only asking tajo. I know your thoughts, but tajo hasn't said anything besides "cow is scum"

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CLAIM(bolded so people can see it):

Tomas de Torquemada, Spanish Inquisitor General, aka Name Cop

@sam: I'm only asking tajo. I know your thoughts, but tajo hasn't said anything besides "cow is scum"

This could just as easily be a scum power role as a town power role. While flavor meta does suck, your role having to do with the Spanish Inquisition doesn't help convince me you're town.

aha, but nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition (to be town).

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CLAIM(bolded so people can see it):

Tomas de Torquemada, Spanish Inquisitor General, aka Name Cop

@sam: I'm only asking tajo. I know your thoughts, but tajo hasn't said anything besides "cow is scum"

This could just as easily be a scum power role as a town power role. While flavor meta does suck, your role having to do with the Spanish Inquisition doesn't help convince me you're town.

also, almost any power role could "just as easily be a scum power role". How does name cop help scum at all? You can't tell power roles just by names. It's not like it's role cop, where it's the most help for scum.

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CLAIM(bolded so people can see it):

Tomas de Torquemada, Spanish Inquisitor General, aka Name Cop

@sam: I'm only asking tajo. I know your thoughts, but tajo hasn't said anything besides "cow is scum"

This could just as easily be a scum power role as a town power role. While flavor meta does suck, your role having to do with the Spanish Inquisition doesn't help convince me you're town.

also, almost any power role could "just as easily be a scum power role". How does name cop help scum at all? You can't tell power roles just by names. It's not like it's role cop, where it's the most help for scum.

I was thinking exactly in that. Flavor please.

asking me, I assume?
(paraphrased, obv)
I search out one person at night and they decide to give me their name as they think if they don't they'll be tortured.

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Has: Is that basically a role cop?

no. I thought I explained this well enough, but I guess not.


For example, if I were to have investigated zwet, I would have gotten "William Wallace". Not "William Wallace, Town Martyr" or "Town Martyr". Just the name.

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Too bad a name cop is useless now.

You should have been pushing for name-claims from

everyone

a little earlier on, there, hascow. Now that you are in the open.. no one will risk lying about their NAME. You are now more irrelevant than ever.

yeah, well, we saw how attempting to have the vig claim went, and I figured that trying for anyone else claiming anything would have received the same result.

At least scum claims are going to be more restricted now

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Cow, night result. Now.

I was told that Tarhalindur is better known as The Venerable Bede.

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Also, cow, why did you pick Tar?

I wanted to pick someone who seemed town to me and probably wouldn't die.

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KMD
stark
Jebus

Looks like the scumteam to me.

Jebus = Tarhalindur.

Do you think Tar is scum, Xyl?

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From his list, we now KNOW that Rogueben and Yosarian are confirmed scum.

I have no idea how you get either of them as confirmed scum, even while looking at kmd's scumlist.

Shall we spare stark? His claim of investigation immunity can be tested by way of an investigation.

Investigation immunity? Did I miss something? I thought it was investigation from miller-making, or whatever the heck that was.

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Something tells me sam is too agressive/close minded to be a manipulating mafia. I could be wrong, though.

I think he's either really tunnel-visioned mafia who keeps going after the same people so he can lynch them or town who keeps going after the same people with no good reason to.

I do feel like the "dayvig" is an SK who is trying to look like a dayvig, because it just seems like too many town kills with the fact that the night vig-masons have multiple kills.

So stark, who do you think is scum?

Right now, camn.

Camn has said nothing of substance this game and only posts for the sake of posting. She is so incredibly mafia.

PS DGB: I am trying to undermine your "credibility" because you're an awful mafia player and you need to realize this ASAP.

This post gives me awful vibes. First is the nothing of substance comment which I feel is completely off base. I remember seeing quite a bit from camn, so unless sam gives some examples, I'm going to just ignore this accusation.

I don't like the "ad hom"-ish thing from him towards DGB. It seems like he wants to undermine her credibility because she's possibly hitting a little too close to home. I should look back at what she said that brought this comment from him.

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just saw the game was over and wanted to apologize for replacing out, but I was not able to keep up with this.

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I called EVERYTHING except for the following:

- 3x scum having safeclaims (why the hell they didn't use that Richard the Lionheart safeclaim for scotmany I don't know, same for hasdgfas claiming his real role name instead of Christopher Columbus)
- Populartajo being a tracker (why didn't you claim that, poptajo? I could have given us an autowin much faster that way - OGML likes his trackers).
- Yosarian2 being immune to Hereward daykills (the reveal wasn't enough for me to know he was daykill immune - that Yosarian Vehm kill looks much better to me now, we dodged an arrow - er, bullet - there.)

Columbus, name cop? Really? I couldn't see a way to make it fit and thought I'd roll the dice.
(hope it's ok I'm participating in post-game after leaving. I was interested, but falling behind was a vicous cycle)

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I also didn't realize it was supposed to be a safeclaim until I claimed. >.>

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Didn't know the other safeclaims as nobody wanted to talk pregame. I wanted to make sure everyone was there before starting discussion, but that blew up