Medieval Mafia - Game Over

populartajo · Post Post #5 (isolation #0) » Wed Feb 11, 2009 10:57 am

Vote:sam.samhorn

populartajo · Post Post #31 (isolation #1) » Wed Feb 11, 2009 12:58 pm

TSQ and DGB are distancing like shit.

populartajo · Post Post #38 (isolation #2) » Wed Feb 11, 2009 1:32 pm

No. Im just lazy.

populartajo · Post Post #41 (isolation #3) » Wed Feb 11, 2009 1:45 pm

farside22 wrote:I could have sworn that all we had was a confirmation phase. Why is everyone act like we had a night 0?

What are you talking about?

populartajo · Post Post #74 (isolation #4) » Thu Feb 12, 2009 3:30 am

Thestatusquo wrote:
farside22 wrote:
populartajo wrote:
farside22 wrote:I could have sworn that all we had was a confirmation phase. Why is everyone act like we had a night 0?
What are you talking about?
People asked why DGB was still alive. My thought well because there was no night 0 that is why.
I just voted for her because she loves to BW me to death.

Unvote, Vote Farside

I agree with the mouth with eggnogfas.

Unvote Vote Farside.

populartajo · Post Post #89 (isolation #5) » Thu Feb 12, 2009 11:42 am

zwetschenwasser wrote:I'm claiming now, so you don't waste an investigation on me. I'm Sir Gawaine's son, a miller one shot day vig.

We control your 1vig as a second lynch and lynch you or not according your behaviour. Simple as that.

populartajo · Post Post #91 (isolation #6) » Thu Feb 12, 2009 11:43 am

Farside is still scum, BTW.

populartajo · Post Post #94 (isolation #7) » Thu Feb 12, 2009 11:53 am

farside22 wrote:
populartajo wrote:Farside is still scum, BTW.
Ah pop you bitter about something.
Please share with the class. It's so much fun to hear about how in four pages you can make that statement.

I dont need to. Just let everyone check post 40. All goes downhill after that.

populartajo · Post Post #96 (isolation #8) » Thu Feb 12, 2009 12:01 pm

hasdgfas wrote:
zwetschenwasser wrote:I'm claiming now, so you don't waste an investigation on me. I'm Sir Gawaine's son, a miller one shot day vig.
you're 99% going to be using that day vig today

Whats the 1%?

populartajo · Post Post #118 (isolation #9) » Fri Feb 13, 2009 3:52 am

I dont policy lynch millers. I lynch based on behaviour. If you are scummy you die. This isnt about general meta. This is about this game.
Your kill should definitely be used today and in the second suspect of the day.
With that said I disagree with TSQ plan.

populartajo · Post Post #169 (isolation #10) » Fri Feb 13, 2009 1:06 pm

I cant believe Im with DGB in this one.
Specially because he is zwet.

populartajo · Post Post #170 (isolation #11) » Fri Feb 13, 2009 1:09 pm

Caboose wrote:I don't like how DGB is is setting herself up for the classic "I told you so" D2 if zwet flips town.

Wait, what? So do you think that DGB for some reason already knows zwet is town.

populartajo · Post Post #171 (isolation #12) » Fri Feb 13, 2009 1:10 pm

Mod votecount.

populartajo · Post Post #216 (isolation #13) » Sat Feb 14, 2009 8:46 am

Unvote Vote Jebus.

populartajo · Post Post #217 (isolation #14) » Sat Feb 14, 2009 8:47 am

I also dont like farside and recently has. Caboose is meh.

populartajo · Post Post #309 (isolation #15) » Mon Feb 16, 2009 6:01 am

Extreme V/LA until Thursday

populartajo · Post Post #506 (isolation #16) » Tue Feb 17, 2009 11:20 am

hasdgfas wrote:
Xylthixlm wrote:Also, why don't I have a bunch of people blindly following me? No IRC players in this game?
Xyl, could you explain why this post was necessary? Seems to me like it's just there because you
want
people to blindly follow you.

This cow needs to die. Please.

populartajo · Post Post #508 (isolation #17) » Tue Feb 17, 2009 11:22 am

scotmany12 wrote:
populartajo wrote:
hasdgfas wrote:
Xylthixlm wrote:Also, why don't I have a bunch of people blindly following me? No IRC players in this game?
Xyl, could you explain why this post was necessary? Seems to me like it's just there because you
want
people to blindly follow you.
This cow needs to die. Please.
Said the person voting Jebus.

Unvote Vote has

HAHA

populartajo · Post Post #510 (isolation #18) » Tue Feb 17, 2009 11:31 am

It wasnt only that post. I disagree with at least 80% of everything you have posted so far.

populartajo · Post Post #512 (isolation #19) » Tue Feb 17, 2009 11:42 am

hasdgfas wrote:
populartajo wrote:It wasnt only that post. I disagree with at least 80% of everything you have posted so far.
so disagreeing with someone makes them scummy?

What you are proposing posts ago is scummy. Its not that the majority thinks different, as you assume. Its that I dont see any protown motive behind the proposition of outing our vig.
You are rolefishing like crazy.
You are not analyzing things that deserve to be analyzed. You are analizing weak things (like asking Xyl what he was trying to do with his joke comment in or asking camn for clarification of something obvious.) I mean, using your words, was that necessary?

populartajo · Post Post #515 (isolation #20) » Tue Feb 17, 2009 11:53 am

hasdgfas wrote:
populartajo wrote:
hasdgfas wrote:
populartajo wrote:It wasnt only that post. I disagree with at least 80% of everything you have posted so far.
so disagreeing with someone makes them scummy?
What you are proposing posts ago is scummy. Its not that the majority thinks different, as you assume. Its that I dont see any protown motive behind the proposition of outing our vig.
that's fine, which is why I dropped it. Nobody agrees with me.

Any idea why?

hasdgfas wrote:
tajo wrote:You are rolefishing like crazy.
I dropped the vig claiming thing, so please tell me you have a different example of this.

When did I say there was other example?

tajo wrote:You are not analyzing things that deserve to be analyzed. You are analizing weak things (like asking Xyl what he was trying to do with his joke comment in or asking camn for clarification of something obvious.) I mean, using your words, was that necessary?

"joke comments" are often the most important things to look at, and camn's statement was obviously not obvious since I asked for clarification on it.[/quote]
You are not getting the problem. I can buy that joke comments can also contain information but when there are 1000000 things more important to analyze then there is something odd. You are avoiding them for whatever reason. Also whats the difficult part in camn's post?

populartajo · Post Post #516 (isolation #21) » Tue Feb 17, 2009 11:55 am

Xylthixlm wrote:populartajo, hasdgfas: Do you do this in every game you're in together?

Last time we completed a game has was scum and I was town. I catched his scumpartners and catched him at the end near my lynch. So, no.

populartajo · Post Post #591 (isolation #22) » Wed Feb 18, 2009 3:46 am

People sam is obvtown. Quints its neutral at least.

FOS: TSQ and DGB

populartajo · Post Post #592 (isolation #23) » Wed Feb 18, 2009 3:53 am

camn wrote:populartajo:
I thought you were on V/LA till thursday.. but you have posted MOST of your wordcount since you left! You should go on vaca more often.
Pop reads like scum to me. He is posing enough, but without much meaning.
Stays away from the zwet wagon.. stays away from the lurker-battle despite being #2 on the Jebus wagon... then mildly goes after the Cow once it becomes cool. Which = scum.

LA means I dont have the normal access I have normally. I thought it would be worst but things should be totally fixed on Thursday.
The zwet wagon was weak and his kill illogical (with Caboose supporting his claim) but I can understand it from people that have never played with him.
Lurker battle is meh, Id rather lynch someone that is scummy. Jebus staying away and avoiding this zwet situation is scummy.
And I started the wagon on has, so you=fail.

populartajo · Post Post #642 (isolation #24) » Wed Feb 18, 2009 12:48 pm

I really dont think qwints is scum. In the other hand I think cow is scum and deserves to be lynched.

populartajo · Post Post #645 (isolation #25) » Wed Feb 18, 2009 12:50 pm

Scum wouldnt post this.

qwints wrote:
unvote

Caboose vouching for zwet combined w/ zwet claiming bodyguard means I don't want to lynch zwet today.

populartajo · Post Post #651 (isolation #26) » Wed Feb 18, 2009 12:55 pm

farside22 wrote:Oh forgot to add tajo. Don't like his defending of sam from absolutely nothing.

unvote:
vote: qwints

FOS: tajo, sam, stark and jebus

Again, scum wouldnt post this.

sam.samhorn wrote:
Thestatusquo wrote:
Vote: Quints

Thats completely unacceptable.
uh that was like the most townie-like reaction you could get

Also no comments of hascow?
Yep, I was right about farside.

populartajo · Post Post #652 (isolation #27) » Wed Feb 18, 2009 12:56 pm

Kmd4390 wrote:
populartajo wrote:Scum wouldnt post this.
qwints wrote:
unvote

Caboose vouching for zwet combined w/ zwet claiming bodyguard means I don't want to lynch zwet today.
They wouldn't want townie points knowing Zwet will flip town?

It was too early to leave a perfect wagon.

populartajo · Post Post #660 (isolation #28) » Wed Feb 18, 2009 1:09 pm

This is how I think.
I assume qwints is scum and I know zwet is town.
1. Qwintsscum wouldnt have left the wagon too early. Zwet lynch wasnt inevitable.
2. Qwintscum would have left the wagon but with what purpose? Nobody would have given him shit for pushing such a perfect wagon.
I mean, qwitns

could

be scum but I dont find it too probable.
KMD, when did Caboose and has left the wagon?

populartajo · Post Post #674 (isolation #29) » Wed Feb 18, 2009 1:32 pm

@Yos, the problem is that scum didnt have the security that zwet would be the lynch of the day. Zwet lynch wasnt inevitable. But I understand what you are saying.
@KMD, I think its pretty safe to assume that Caboose isn't scum also. Scum stopping such a perfect D1 townie wagon its improbable, IMO.

populartajo · Post Post #675 (isolation #30) » Wed Feb 18, 2009 1:33 pm

farside22 wrote:
populartajo wrote:
farside22 wrote:Oh forgot to add tajo. Don't like his defending of sam from absolutely nothing.

unvote:
vote: qwints

FOS: tajo, sam, stark and jebus
Again, scum wouldnt post this.
sam.samhorn wrote:
Thestatusquo wrote:
Vote: Quints

Thats completely unacceptable.
uh that was like the most townie-like reaction you could get
Also no comments of hascow?
Yep, I was right about farside.
I get hascow's paranoid reaction to the vig?? kill. As even though zwet was town and he made this game go to hell in a handbasket. And I didn't think he was scum and agreed with DGB (I'm going to hell now). All that said it made me wonder based on a few games (including my own) where that was a scum or town doing the kill.
He asked where else he role fished from TSQ.

Has is scum, yes or no?

populartajo · Post Post #678 (isolation #31) » Wed Feb 18, 2009 1:36 pm

Kmd4390 wrote:
populartajo wrote: @KMD, I think its pretty safe to assume that Caboose isn't scum also. Scum stopping such a perfect D1 townie wagon its improbable, IMO.
So you think both are town strictly because they jumped off the wagon?

No. I think they both have more probs of being town for jumping off a wagon that was so perfect for scum.

populartajo · Post Post #682 (isolation #32) » Wed Feb 18, 2009 1:42 pm

farside22 wrote:
populartajo wrote:
Kmd4390 wrote:
populartajo wrote: @KMD, I think its pretty safe to assume that Caboose isn't scum also. Scum stopping such a perfect D1 townie wagon its improbable, IMO.
So you think both are town strictly because they jumped off the wagon?
No. I think they both have more probs of being town for jumping off a wagon that was so perfect for scum.
Please I can't tell you what how faulty that thought process is.

Enlighten me.
And read hascow's posts and tell me what do you think of him.

populartajo · Post Post #786 (isolation #33) » Thu Feb 19, 2009 10:22 am

Kmd4390 wrote:
DrippingGoofball wrote:
Kmd4390 wrote:
DrippingGoofball wrote: In other news, I'm not feeling the qwints wagon much.
Why?
Unprovoked Day 1 vanilla soft ice cream, not scummy much. Also, this post: http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 07#1494507

This being said, he's been pretty useless, he may be lurkerish scum, so meh.
Hmm. Decent points. I think the bad outweighs the good though.

What are the bad things? (I feel like Im asking you this in every game, LOL)

populartajo · Post Post #869 (isolation #34) » Fri Feb 20, 2009 3:28 am

Hey you silly billies, you are chasing the non optymal wagons. Hint: The cow has dissapeared and Farside is still lurking.
Qwints is not optymal. If he is scum it would be so fucking obvious the following days.

populartajo · Post Post #872 (isolation #35) » Fri Feb 20, 2009 3:32 am

DrippingGoofball wrote:
Jebus wrote:Update on my inactivity - If I don't catch up this weekend, when I've got at least 20 hours of nothingness, I probably won't be able to catch up at all.

Sorry for not keeping up
What's so hard about lynching this guy?

I have to revote since I mucked up my quote tags earlier.

vote: Jebus

Not optymal.

populartajo · Post Post #873 (isolation #36) » Fri Feb 20, 2009 3:33 am

DrippingGoofball wrote:
populartajo wrote:Hey you silly billies, you are chasing the non optymal wagons. Hint: The cow has dissapeared and Farside is still lurking.
Qwints is not optymal. If he is scum it would be so fucking obvious the following days.
I support this plan, and spell checking the plan.

Nice. Now vote accordingly.

populartajo · Post Post #875 (isolation #37) » Fri Feb 20, 2009 3:42 am

DrippingGoofball wrote:I think Jebus should be a contender as well.

Which is your favorite for the lynch, farside or hascow?

Why Jebus?
About farside-cow, Im going with the mammal.

populartajo · Post Post #877 (isolation #38) » Fri Feb 20, 2009 3:52 am

DrippingGoofball wrote:Jebus has done NOTHING, and he should have done SOMETHING when he was needed, ie, throughout the zwet debacle. I have not forgiven his absence.

I got a town vibe from farside.

I'd go with the mammal, too.

Alright then, wagon-ho!

unvote, vote hascow

Ive been thinking about Jebus and he probably didnt do anything in the zwet debacle maybe because he

wasnt

in the game.
Explain your town vibe from farside in your following post.

populartajo · Post Post #882 (isolation #39) » Fri Feb 20, 2009 4:01 am

Yosarian2 wrote:
populartajo wrote: Qwints is not optymal. If he is scum it would be so fucking obvious the following days.
If Qwints wants there to be any chance of me unvoting him, then, like I said, he needs to post some real content. If he's not willing to do that, then it's very unlikely I'll unvote the claimed-vanillia lurker scumbag. I mean, frankly, "scummy looking claimed vanillia lurker" is pretty much my favorate type of day 1 lynch.

Yos, Ive been lynching scummy looking vanilla lurker

townies

D1 since the day I entered this site. Im tired of that.
Its not that I hate his lynch. Its that right now there are better options.

populartajo · Post Post #883 (isolation #40) » Fri Feb 20, 2009 4:02 am

Yosarian2 wrote:About Jeebes: You don't think posting "I'm still here, am trying to catch up" stall messages, doing them just barely often enough to not get replaced, and nothing, else, is scummy?

Well he just posted that if he doesnt catch up he will ask for replacement. Lynching him

now

isnt optymal.

populartajo · Post Post #884 (isolation #41) » Fri Feb 20, 2009 4:10 am

DrippingGoofball wrote:Why don't you tell me 2 or 3 things she's said that you find scummy?

I could have sworn that all we had was a confirmation phase. Why is everyone act like we had a night 0?

People asked why DGB was still alive. My thought well because there was no night 0 that is why.
I just voted for her because she loves to BW me to death.

Stating the obvious.

Oh forgot to add tajo. Don't like his defending of sam from absolutely nothing.
unvote:
vote: qwints
FOS: tajo, sam, stark and jebus

Easy targets for the win. No comments of cowscum.

farside22 wrote:
populartajo wrote: Has is scum, yes or no?
I don't know.

Errr, why?

populartajo · Post Post #953 (isolation #42) » Sat Feb 21, 2009 12:06 pm

Xylthixlm wrote:
DrippingGoofball wrote:I like to hunt scum by looking for positive signs, and by process of elimination of those players that appear townie.
Same.

populartajo · Post Post #954 (isolation #43) » Sat Feb 21, 2009 12:08 pm

Therefore the cow should be pressed to claim as soon as he comes back from his V/LA.
Farside also needs more pressure.
I dont see the case on korejora. Obv I still think qwints is at least neutral. Caboose is town. Jebus is meh.

populartajo · Tue Feb 24, 2009 10:10 am

Xylthixlm wrote:The problem with the qwints wagon is that qwints is town.

Wait, what?

populartajo · Tue Feb 24, 2009 10:12 am

No more posts from farside and the cow? Im eager to hear them.

populartajo · Tue Feb 24, 2009 10:17 am

Xylthixlm wrote:
populartajo wrote:
Xylthixlm wrote:The problem with the qwints wagon is that qwints is town.
Wait, what?
I'm a daycop-vigilante-recruiting mason.

Actually, no, I'm not. But my gut says qwints is town.

And why is that?

populartajo · Tue Feb 24, 2009 10:23 am

OhGodMyLife wrote:
Vote Count:
9 to lynch

qwints: 6 (Kmd4390, Thestatusquo, farside22, Yosarian2, camn, Xylthixlm)
hasdgfas: 4 scotmany12, populartajo, sam.samhorn, qwints)
camn: 1 (Jebus)
Kmd4390: 1 (hasdgfas)
stark: 1 (Caboose)

Not Voting: 4 (stark, crywolf20084, Korejora, DrippingGoofball)

Then this vote count should be interesting...
Xyl, why did you vote qwints?

populartajo · Tue Feb 24, 2009 11:38 am

Xylthixlm wrote:Because I believed the case at the time.

And what changed?

populartajo · Post Post #1061 (isolation #49) » Thu Feb 26, 2009 9:27 am

THE COW NEEDS TO DIE!!!
GG.

populartajo · Thu Feb 26, 2009 11:04 am

Being useless isnt a scumtell. Specially with someone like qwints.

populartajo · Thu Feb 26, 2009 11:09 am

hasdgfas wrote:ok, seeing the vote count, I will
vote: qwints

Assume for a minute qwints is town. What do you think would be his natural reaction to this vote?

populartajo · Thu Feb 26, 2009 11:57 am

Because the objective of this game is to catch scum not catch useless players.

populartajo · Thu Feb 26, 2009 12:03 pm

If there werent any better lynches, yes I would lynch qwints, but this is not the case.
If we were measuring scumminess for being useful, then farside, stark and others "not helping" would also need to be lynched and be scum all. Qwints lynch isnt optymal. Period.

populartajo · Thu Feb 26, 2009 12:06 pm

scotmany12 wrote:
populartajo wrote:Because the objective of this game is to catch scum not catch useless players.
And yet you were seemingly fine for when people were wagoning Jebus. Infact, you voted for him.
populartajo wrote:
Unvote Vote Jebus.
So what, when Jebus was useless it was scummy? But it's not scummy when qwints is useless?

Misrepresentation. I didnt vote Jebus for being useless.

populartajo wrote:Jebus staying away and avoiding this zwet situation is scummy.

populartajo · Thu Feb 26, 2009 12:08 pm

Also I have a gutty weak town read on qwints for some posts after zwet's death.
But I like how you took the effort to make me look bad.

Fos:Scotmany.

populartajo · Thu Feb 26, 2009 12:10 pm

Qwints is a total different situation than Jebus. Period.

populartajo · Post Post #1091 (isolation #57) » Thu Feb 26, 2009 2:00 pm

farside22 wrote:
Kmd4390 wrote:You're voting Tar.
Sigh. I really need to read this game.

unvote

till I read.

LYNCH HARRRR!

populartajo · Post Post #1097 (isolation #58) » Thu Feb 26, 2009 5:12 pm

You are late to the party comrade.
Why dont you read the game first or at least isolate the player that you want to put at L-1?

populartajo · Post Post #1098 (isolation #59) » Thu Feb 26, 2009 5:13 pm

hasdgfas wrote:
populartajo wrote:Misrepresentation. I didnt vote Jebus for being useless.
populartajo wrote:Jebus staying away and avoiding this zwet situation is scummy.
tajo, how is that not voting for being useless?

Wait, what? Cant you spot the difference?

populartajo · Post Post #1109 (isolation #60) » Fri Feb 27, 2009 7:35 am

THIS WAGON IS A FUCKING JOKE

qwints: 7 (Kmd4390, Yosarian2, crywolf20084, camn, DrippingGoofball, hasdgfas, Xylthixlm)

All townies please unvote so that we can catch the obvious scum in this wagon.
READ MY WORDS: QWINTS LYNCH ISNT OPTYMAL.

populartajo · Post Post #1113 (isolation #61) » Fri Feb 27, 2009 7:42 am

Has, was qwints "useful" D1 in that game?

Unvote Vote:stark.

populartajo · Post Post #1115 (isolation #62) » Fri Feb 27, 2009 7:48 am

qwints wrote:unvote

Caboose vouching for zwet combined w/ zwet claiming bodyguard means I don't want to lynch zwet today.

qwints wrote:WTF? zwet was waggoned because he claimed miller and then unclaimed. The fact that he got vigged further points out that townie players thought he was scum. I find it hard to believe that zwet's antics will provide much useful information at this point.

Has, do you find these posts useless or inane?

populartajo · Post Post #1117 (isolation #63) » Fri Feb 27, 2009 7:56 am

Ok, we disagree.
Has, thoughts of stark?

populartajo · Post Post #1324 (isolation #64) » Sun Mar 01, 2009 4:44 pm

You bastards. Beach weekend and you fill this thread with "jokes in mafia" analyzing.
With that said I really dont know what to think about stark. My initial reason for voting him was his near lynch vote WITHOUT analyzing qwints, that as I stated earlier, its not an optimal lynch. Then the wagon went crazy and stark defended in an unusual way.
About his joke, well, scum wouldnt softclaim masons with someone they know are town (unless sam is scum with stark). Maybe stark was softclaiming that sam would have an investigation on him and that he is a godfather. His joke, yeah, some of you are right, doesnt feel right but I think generating a case about it is a little exagerate. Tar is crazy or obv scumthere.
So I still think this statements are true : Caboose and sam are town. KMD, Xyl and DGB are neutral sligthly town. Qwints is neutral, some posts are looking protown but we dont have that much information on him. Stark is meh, I really cant read him. If he is scum he is doing a good job of not dropping scumtells during pressure. Crywolf, Tar and Farside lurker are neutral slightly scummy. And....

hasdgfas wrote:
stark wrote:
MOD:
CORRECTION: Xythlm is in violation of
RULE 3, SUBCLAUSE B
stark, why do you feel it necessary to ask for a modkill in thread?
I find that quite scummy.

This cow is so scum it hurts. I really think stark lynch is not the way to go with obvscum here.

Unvote Vote : Has.

populartajo · Post Post #1332 (isolation #65) » Sun Mar 01, 2009 5:10 pm

Dude, in communist Russia there is no Santa.
But, you just won the thread.

populartajo · Post Post #1353 (isolation #66) » Mon Mar 02, 2009 5:19 am

hasdgfas wrote:
Caboose wrote:
hasdgfas wrote:CLAIM(bolded so people can see it):
Tomas de Torquemada, Spanish Inquisitor General, aka Name Cop

@sam: I'm only asking tajo. I know your thoughts, but tajo hasn't said anything besides "cow is scum"
This could just as easily be a scum power role as a town power role. While flavor meta does suck, your role having to do with the Spanish Inquisition doesn't help convince me you're town.
also, almost any power role could "just as easily be a scum power role". How does name cop help scum at all? You can't tell power roles just by names. It's not like it's role cop, where it's the most help for scum.

I was thinking exactly in that. Flavor please.

crywolf wrote:Strangely i have to agree with Caboose here. The Spanish Inquisitor could be either town or scum. I may change my mind and vote cow.

I dont like this post for some reason. I havent found out why yet.

populartajo · Post Post #1354 (isolation #67) » Mon Mar 02, 2009 5:20 am

A better approach would be if anybody has seen a scum name cop before since has claim is pretty testable.

populartajo · Post Post #1361 (isolation #68) » Mon Mar 02, 2009 5:51 am

Is it too late to switch to crywolf?

populartajo · Post Post #1366 (isolation #69) » Mon Mar 02, 2009 6:41 am

Kay.

Unvote Vote:crywolf.

Pretty obvious here.

populartajo · Mon Mar 02, 2009 10:25 am

Yosarian2 wrote:Stark:

crywolf20084 wrote:Strangely i have to agree with Caboose here. The Spanish Inquisitor could be either town or scum. I may change my mind and vote cow.
This post looks scummy to me, for one. Voting someone on flavor is bad, and saying she "may change her mind" and vote cow because the flavor "could be either town or scum" just seems very wishy-washy and oppertunistic; if the flavor could be either town or scum, and he just claimed an info role, why would that make her want to vote him?

Exactly this. Now I undestand why I agree with Yosarian2 is famous.
I suggest all has voters switch inmediately to crywolf. WE CAN DO IT.

populartajo · Mon Mar 02, 2009 11:46 am

Kmd4390 wrote:
Yosarian2 wrote:I'm curious about why you suspect Xyl.
I'm willing to wait until tomorrow. Deadline is coming up and I don't want to bring a new case just before deadline. We may or may not get a lynch as it is.

No, @KMD, share with us. In case you know, you arent alive tomorrow. And question, you dont find crywolf scummy?
@Caboose, I understand where you are going but its like you are suspecting something that hasnt even happened. Cow isnt unlynchable for the rest of the game. In the best case, scum are roleblocking a weak PR so that our most powerful ones can work efficiently.

populartajo · Post Post #1461 (isolation #72) » Mon Mar 09, 2009 9:27 am

Lal, whats up with this shit, Xyl? No way you are daycop-vigilante-recruiting mason-double voter, can we play serious now?
..........
I was right with qwints and caboose. Wrong with crywolf, a claim couldnt have changed things.
Tar and farside are right now in my list to evaluate. Ill reread Tar but I really want farside here participating.

Vote:farside.

populartajo · Post Post #1462 (isolation #73) » Mon Mar 09, 2009 9:29 am

Also this VC should be pretty interesting to analyse.

OGML wrote:qwints: 7 (Kmd4390, Yosarian2, crywolf20084, camn, DrippingGoofball, hasdgfas, Xylthixlm)

populartajo · Mon Mar 09, 2009 10:51 am

Kmd4390 wrote:Did you guys really forget that fast? Xyl's double vote doesn't make him town. It just means DGB thought Xyl deserved a double vote.

What? DGB can grant double vote powers?
Awww, why didnt you pick me?

populartajo · Mon Mar 09, 2009 10:53 am

Also, cow, why did you pick Tar?

populartajo · Mon Mar 09, 2009 10:55 am

Kmd4390 wrote:
populartajo wrote:
Kmd4390 wrote:Did you guys really forget that fast? Xyl's double vote doesn't make him town. It just means DGB thought Xyl deserved a double vote.
What? DGB can grant double vote powers?
Awww, why didnt you pick me?

DrippingGoofball wrote:By the way, zwet is in fact at -2 because I have the power to give someone an extra vote, and that person is currently voting for zwet.

Someone unvote zwet nao.

Shit, I totally forgot that.
I TOTALLY agree with Xyl being non confirmed.
So do you agree with DGB being prob town?

populartajo · Mon Mar 09, 2009 11:03 am

qwints: 7 (Kmd4390, Yosarian2, crywolf20084, camn, DrippingGoofball, hasdgfas, Xylthixlm)

Yes, there is scum here.

Vote : Xyl.

populartajo · Mon Mar 09, 2009 11:04 am

camn wrote:Ah! I forgot about that too!

Well. ONE of them is town then!

Either way.. this looks like a town-fueled wagon... so

VOTE STARK

I would like to see your promised analysis.
Add OMGUS bandwagoning to your list.
Your baseless accusations of me are tiresome.

Meh, Im neutral about stark. But I would like to see his promises too.

populartajo · Mon Mar 09, 2009 11:05 am

camn wrote:Ah! I forgot about that too!

Well. ONE of them is town then!

Either way.. this looks like a town-fueled wagon... so

VOTE STARK

I would like to see your promised analysis.
Add OMGUS bandwagoning to your list.
Your baseless accusations of me are tiresome.

Wait a sec, how can you say that this is a town-fueled wagon when two votes are from someone that you are not sure he is town. In fact, if someone is town, it should be DGB not Xyl (!)

populartajo · Mon Mar 09, 2009 11:08 am

Tarhalindur wrote:EBWOP: After all, I'm pretty sure I used that kill (with some help) to kill qwints last night.

What exactly are you trying to say? You control Xyl's killings?

populartajo · Mon Mar 09, 2009 11:39 am

DrippingGoofball wrote:
populartajo wrote:
qwints: 7 (Kmd4390, Yosarian2, crywolf20084, camn, DrippingGoofball, hasdgfas, Xylthixlm)
Yes, there is scum here.
Vote : Xyl.
Crazy as I am, thank god I was not crazy enough to give you a second vote.

But I thought you liked me.

You think Xyl is town. Why?

populartajo · Mon Mar 09, 2009 11:41 am

DrippingGoofball wrote:
populartajo wrote:Bunch of crazy nonesense
Look. If you want to look for scum in that wagon, let me narrow the field down for you.

Kmd4390, Yosarian2, crywolf20084

Any other player, and I'm blocking my ears singing to myself so as not to hear you.

Maybe you should unblock your ears because Crywolf is dead.
Yeah its obvious that there are two possible groups (KMD-Yosarian) and (Xyl-camn). I think you and has are prob town.

populartajo · Mon Mar 09, 2009 11:43 am

DrippingGoofball wrote:
populartajo wrote:But I thought you liked me.
I do like you, but you're going to have to quit being so wrong!

Im usually not so wrong, dear.
Can anyone explain me why the hell Xyl is town?

populartajo · Mon Mar 09, 2009 11:47 am

Kay.

Unvote

. If I trust you and Xyl is town as you suggest then its pretty obvious that there has to be scum between KMD and/or Yosarian.
Rereading them.

populartajo · Mon Mar 09, 2009 12:43 pm

How do we know you are not a cult with a kill?

populartajo · Mon Mar 09, 2009 12:59 pm

No, I wanted another point of view. I dont have much experience with cults.
1. Members of the cult come up as cultists when dead?
2. The existence of a cult is farfetched?
3. Cult leader dead means cult loses, right? What if Xyl is protecting the real cult leader?

populartajo · Post Post #1514 (isolation #87) » Mon Mar 09, 2009 1:00 pm

scotmany12 wrote:The cult scenario is highly unlikely.

Damn scot. Last post is responding to Yos.

populartajo · Post Post #1518 (isolation #88) » Mon Mar 09, 2009 1:05 pm

Okay. If the cult possibility is unlikely as more than one has said then I think the choice is pretty clear here.

Vote: KMD.

populartajo · Post Post #1521 (isolation #89) » Mon Mar 09, 2009 1:08 pm

DrippingGoofball wrote:
populartajo wrote:Okay. If the cult possibility is unlikely as more than one has said then I think the choice is pretty clear here.

Vote: KMD.
UNacceptable. You must compare Yosarian with Kmd, and explain your choice. I want you to name their buddies. Go on, I'm waiting.

I dont have the time to hunt for quotes. Yos is being pretty decent with his reasoning lately. KMD is just crazy going against Xyl and was a heavy supporter of the qwints wagon. Im basing my current decision in these facts.
Why dont you help me a little bit?

populartajo · Post Post #1525 (isolation #90) » Mon Mar 09, 2009 1:24 pm

scotmany12 wrote:
populartajo wrote:
DrippingGoofball wrote:
populartajo wrote:Okay. If the cult possibility is unlikely as more than one has said then I think the choice is pretty clear here.

Vote: KMD.
UNacceptable. You must compare Yosarian with Kmd, and explain your choice. I want you to name their buddies. Go on, I'm waiting.
I dont have the time to hunt for quotes. Yos is being pretty decent with his reasoning lately. KMD is just crazy going against Xyl and was a heavy supporter of the qwints wagon. Im basing my current decision in these facts.
Why dont you help me a little bit?
You don't have time? This is the beginning of day 2. It's not like the deadline is tomorrow. Why are you tunneling on Kmd? Why are you not looking at people who were not on the qwints wagon?

I was saying to DGB that I dont have the time

right now

so she doesnt wait until I have time.
The question is why are

you

not looking at people who were in the qwints wagon? Qwints wagon is a perfect example of scum going against an easy target and Im pretty sure that there is at least one scum there.
Finally Im not tunneling on KMD. Im trying to find what he thinks now that we are reducing probabilities of finding scum. Its not like the deadline is tomorrow.
About the people not in the qwints wagon, Ill let DGB and friends to deal with them.

populartajo · Post Post #1531 (isolation #91) » Mon Mar 09, 2009 2:02 pm

I refuse to keep discussing about this subject with someone that refuses to understand obvious points about a fact.
Answer this question to yourself : there is at least one scum in the qwints wagon, yes or no?
Bye.

populartajo · Post Post #1532 (isolation #92) » Mon Mar 09, 2009 2:05 pm

EBWOP
You are free to discuss about the crywolf and the zwet wagon. I really think the qwints wagon has more probabilities of having scum in there.

populartajo · Post Post #1535 (isolation #93) » Mon Mar 09, 2009 2:27 pm

camn wrote:OK.
I have done some wagon analysis.... And I have decided that KMD is scum. And I think Stark, too.

Here is my process:

4 wagons on confirmed townies (scot, I discount the stark wagon because stark is scum... but I will get to that.)

Here they are, at their peaks:
qwints -- Kmd4390, Yosarian2, crywolf20084, camn, DrippingGoofball, hasdgfas, Xylthixlm
zwet -- hasdgfas, Thestatusquo, Yosarian2, scotmany12, sam.samhorn, Kmd4390
cow -- scotmany12, sam.samhorn, qwints, farside22, populartajo, Caboose, Tarhalindur
wolf -- populartajo, Caboose, Yosarian2, stark, Tarhalindur, farside22, camn, DrippingGoofball, qwints

NOW.. I eliminate all CONFIRMED townies. I also eliminate DGB for having double-vote power. I eliminate Xly for being a mason-recruiter. I eliminate myself as obvtown, and HasCow as namecop.

qwints -- Kmd4390, Yosarian2,
zwet -- Thestatusquo, Yosarian2, scotmany12, sam.samhorn, Kmd4390
cow -- scotmany12, sam.samhorn, farside22, populartajo, Tarhalindur
wolf -- populartajo, Yosarian2, stark, Tarhalindur, farside22,

Now.. we see the 2 people on the qwints wagon. I assume at LEAST scum got on that wagon..... so one of those 2 = scum.
Then I notice that Yosarian is on 3 townie-wagons. I ask myself.. would THE Yosarian2 allow himself to be on 3 townie wagons in one day? For now, no.

Let us also notice that KMD AVOIDED being on the crywolf wagon, though he EXCELLENTLY fence-sat here:
Kmd4390 wrote:Note that I'm still here and willing to vote Crywolf before deadline if needed.
Now when we look at stark's wagon:

stark --
DrippingGoofball
, populartajo,
crywolf20084
,
Xylthixlm
,
Tarhalindur
,
camn
You can see by the bold how incredibly town-driven that wagon was.. adding Tar for the whole cult-vig stuff.

So.. in closing:

My scumlist =

Stark
KMD
sam.sam
Korejora

and
Yosarian
and/or
Farside

This is exactly what I would have crafted if I had a little time.
Just a little difference, I dont think sam is scum.
More KMD votes please.

populartajo · Post Post #1536 (isolation #94) » Mon Mar 09, 2009 2:27 pm

EBWOP
*"a little" should read "more"

populartajo · Post Post #1555 (isolation #95) » Tue Mar 10, 2009 5:46 am

scotmany12 wrote:
populartajo wrote:I refuse to keep discussing about this subject with someone that refuses to understand obvious points about a fact.
Answer this question to yourself : there is at least one scum in the qwints .
You think that is a question I can answer with a yes or no answer? Cause I don't know. The only people who do know are the scum. Did I hit a nerve with you? Are you refusing to discuss this because I backed you into a corner? I get it, you don't have a reason for why you are ignoring a majority of the game. Or is it that the qwints wagon was the one major wagon (beside the zwet one) that you are on? You just don't want to bring any suspicion to yourself, do you?

Dgb, you want me to analyze some wagons? I see him on every major wagon except for the zwet and qwints ones. I see tajo vote for three lurkers, jebus, stark, and crywolf, and I see him defending another lurking in qwints. So he decides to look at the only wagon that he was never on, besides the zwet wagon. What makes this worse is that at the beginning of the day, he said he was going to evaluate farside and tar.
populartajo wrote:I was right with qwints and caboose. Wrong with crywolf, a claim couldnt have changed things.
Tar and farside are right now in my list to evaluate. Ill reread Tar but I really want farside here participating.

Vote:farside.
I'm seeing someone who defended one lurker, went after four (including farside), decided to not evaluate the two players that he said he would, and instead focus on the one wagon that he was never part of. And now I see him refusing to discuss with me. Seeing as cow told the truth about his claim, tajo is the most scummy player here right now.

Vote: Tajo

Him defending zwet means absolutely nothing. It is perfectly viable that scum would defend zwet knowing he would come up town.

@camn, why does tar being recruited make him town?

I refuse to answer this post as long as the player called scotmany refuses to see my posts and my explanations for each decision I took in this game. Just a hint, qwints case is TOTALLY different than any other cases. If you want an explanation, READ MY POSTS.

populartajo · Post Post #1558 (isolation #96) » Tue Mar 10, 2009 6:41 am

[quote]Just a quick note on the analysis of the quints wagon from poptartajo. I'm not convinced that a person that was as scummy as qwints was all day yesterday is necessarily going to have a huge scum ratio on the wagon. In my experience wagons like that can be very pro-town loaded and forming entire arguments based on who was on that wagon is not entirely valid. That goes the same for the zwet wagon. [/code]
What camn said.

populartajo · Post Post #1559 (isolation #97) » Tue Mar 10, 2009 6:43 am

LOL

Rogueben wrote: Just a quick note on the analysis of the quints wagon from poptartajo. I'm not convinced that a person that was as scummy as qwints was all day yesterday is necessarily going to have a huge scum ratio on the wagon. In my experience wagons like that can be very pro-town loaded and forming entire arguments based on who was on that wagon is not entirely valid. That goes the same for the zwet wagon.

What camn said.
Im really worried about the level of reasoning some people in this thread have.

populartajo · Post Post #1561 (isolation #98) » Tue Mar 10, 2009 6:45 am

Xylthixlm wrote:Wagon analysis is fun, but it's not a panacea. I've been burned by it before.

I agree but at least 1 scum qwints wagon is something I would bet all my money on.

populartajo · Post Post #1564 (isolation #99) » Tue Mar 10, 2009 7:22 am

camn wrote:I had some thoughts about Xly while in the shower this morning.

OMG!!

populartajo · Tue Mar 10, 2009 7:24 am

Neutral to scummy list
stark
Yosarian

Scumlist
Kmd4390
farside22
Korejora

populartajo · Wed Mar 11, 2009 12:31 pm

OMG KMD THAT'S TOTALLY OMGUS

Confirm vote: KMD.

populartajo · Wed Mar 11, 2009 12:41 pm

Tell me why I am scum, then. Basically your case is that I dont have a case against you which is partially true because Im basing my vote in wagon analysis and POE.
Following your logic, everyone suspecting you for this reasons should be scum which is an obvious fallacy or do you think that analysing bandwagons is scummy?

populartajo · Wed Mar 11, 2009 12:41 pm

Last post to KMD.

populartajo · Wed Mar 11, 2009 12:45 pm

Take some time to make a case against me, KMD. A player of your level would have already realized that Im obv town.

populartajo · Wed Mar 11, 2009 1:35 pm

Kmd4390 wrote:
populartajo wrote:Tell me why I am scum, then. Basically your case is that I dont have a case against you which is partially true because Im basing my vote in wagon analysis and POE.
Following your logic, everyone suspecting you for this reasons should be scum which is an obvious fallacy or do you think that analysing bandwagons is scummy?
Analyzing bandwagons is far from scummy.

Why did you ignore Yos when DGB asked who between Yos and myself was scum?

I didnt. I just think you have more probs of coming scum than Yos. One thing Im sure, tough, there

has

to be scum in that wagon and you know POE and such.

populartajo · Wed Mar 11, 2009 1:36 pm

Kmd4390 wrote:
populartajo wrote:Take some time to make a case against me, KMD. A player of your level would have already realized that Im obv town.
Will do. Before V/LA.

Why should I "realize you are obvtown"?

(Note that my situation is similar to that of Yos. Qwints/Xyl were my top suspects. Qwints is dead. Xyl is basically confirmed.)

Because Im obvtown, come on, KMD.
What changed your mind about Xyl?

populartajo · Wed Mar 11, 2009 1:40 pm

Kmd4390 wrote:
populartajo wrote:
Kmd4390 wrote:
populartajo wrote:Tell me why I am scum, then. Basically your case is that I dont have a case against you which is partially true because Im basing my vote in wagon analysis and POE.
Following your logic, everyone suspecting you for this reasons should be scum which is an obvious fallacy or do you think that analysing bandwagons is scummy?
Analyzing bandwagons is far from scummy.

Why did you ignore Yos when DGB asked who between Yos and myself was scum?
I didnt. I just think you have more probs of coming scum than Yos. One thing Im sure, tough, there
has
to be scum in that wagon and you know POE and such.
And why can't Yos be scum?

He could but why cant

you

be scum from my point of view?
This is about probabilities, KMD. I like Yos more than I like you.

populartajo · Wed Mar 11, 2009 1:59 pm

Kmd4390 wrote:
populartajo wrote:
Kmd4390 wrote:
populartajo wrote:Take some time to make a case against me, KMD. A player of your level would have already realized that Im obv town.
Will do. Before V/LA.

Why should I "realize you are obvtown"?

(Note that my situation is similar to that of Yos. Qwints/Xyl were my top suspects. Qwints is dead. Xyl is basically confirmed.)
Because Im obvtown, come on, KMD.
What changed your mind about Xyl?
His claim and Yos's explanation why cult isn't likely.

Yes, I think Yos is scum. But I think the point he makes is logical and correct anyway.

See now why I like him more than I like you?

In other news, why the hell hasnt stark claimed yet?

populartajo · Thu Mar 12, 2009 9:38 am

Yosarian2 wrote:
DrippingGoofball wrote:
One of you and Yos is scum.
Bad DGB.

I mean, KMD is probably scum, but not because of that horry old "any time a townie gets lynched there is one scum on his wagon" logic, which isn't actually reliably true and is even less useful.

What? Do you mean that no scum was on the perfect-for-scum wagon against easy-target-look-at-me-i-m-scummy qwints?
Show us why KMD is prob scum then.
Also I love how scotmany has this fixated love on me. At this point its more probable to think that Im town than scum but whatever....
Also love how KMD keeps the vote on me after he comments on stark fakeclaim.
About stark, Im willing to hammer. I think there are better options but I cant say that I hate his lynch. I just dont want to end the day with KMD owing us a lot of things, like my case for example.

populartajo · Thu Mar 12, 2009 9:47 am

scotmany12 wrote:
populartajo wrote:Also I love how scotmany has this fixated love on me. At this point its more probable to think that Im town than scum but whatever....
I love how you constantly refer to yourself as obvtown instead of defending yourself against what I said about you. Or is your only defense saying that you are obvtown?

My defense is READ MY POSTS MOARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR.
Then you'd realize what Im talking about.

populartajo · Thu Mar 12, 2009 9:50 am

Either Yos is manipualting me like shit or he is telling the truth. It can be both.

populartajo · Fri Mar 13, 2009 6:30 am

Kay, Im hammering stark in the next hours. Xyl and company can take care of KMD tonight. Anything else anyone wants to say?

populartajo · Fri Mar 13, 2009 9:30 am

Woot. I should have bet all my money on KMD. Ill analyse his scumlist and come up with the second scum. Thx very much.

populartajo · Fri Mar 13, 2009 9:33 am

Oh shit, it means that scum is going to kill me tonight.

Doc, protect me!!111

populartajo · Fri Mar 13, 2009 9:38 am

DrippingGoofball wrote:
Yosarian2 wrote:The two people he'd been
attacking
bus'ing were me and pop. Because we were trying to
lynch
bus him; just pure OMGUS attacks, like I had been saying all day. It's a classic scum tactic, DGB; if a scum is being attacked and can't really defend himself, he will instead
try and throw mud
bus the people attacking him, to counterattack them, in order to muddy the issue and try and make the town
doubt the people attacking him
give town cred to all players involved in the bus accident.
Fixed.

Yosarian2 wrote:Of course, you're so bus obsessed, you probably think that the fact that I just caught a scum is somehow a point againt me.
YES.

What? You think Im scum?

populartajo · Fri Mar 13, 2009 9:47 am

This should also be interesting.

Rogueben wrote:OK I'm going to resummarize my thoughts here, including latest developments.

Close to confirmed town

DGB
Xyl
hasdgfas

Townish

Yos2
camn
Tarhalindur

Neutral

Scotmany12
Poptartajo
Kmd4390

Scummyish

Korejora
Stark
sam.samhorn
farside22

I really dislike what I've seen from Korejora in this game so far.

My number one scum candidate for today is sam though. He is deliberately harming the game by refusing to read DGB or xyl. His attack against DGB at the start of today shows that 1. he isn't paying enough attention and 2. he is trying to push a crap case on the side.

Vote: sam.samhorn

Unvote Vote : Rogueben

populartajo · Fri Mar 13, 2009 10:07 am

Xylthixlm wrote:Tarhalindur, since you seem to be the official representative of the mason-vigs, I have a question: Was the decision to shoot qwints unanimous?

Wait, what?

populartajo · Fri Mar 13, 2009 12:41 pm

scotmany12 wrote:DGB is making absolutely no sense right now. Not like I should be surprised or anything.

I have this crazy feeling that scot is 3rd party. AMIRITE AMIRITE?

populartajo · Fri Mar 13, 2009 12:59 pm

DrippingGoofball wrote:
populartajo wrote:I have this crazy feeling that scot is 3rd party. AMIRITE AMIRITE?
Hush now. No speculation on who that awesome bow and arrow player is.

He is not that awesome. I wouldnt have killed zwet.

Also, MOAR Rogueben votes plz. I like the taste of claims in the early morning for breakfast.

populartajo · Sun Mar 15, 2009 4:09 am

WE NEED MOAR INFORMATIONNNNN! aka Rogueben lynch/claim.
There is something interesting, though. Stark wagon has totally lost its power very quick.

populartajo · Sun Mar 15, 2009 2:26 pm

Xylthixlm wrote:
DrippingGoofball wrote:
stark wrote:Therefore, to lynch me now would be a waste.
Famous last words.

It comes down to who should die
first
, stark or Rogueben.

Xylthixlm wrote:Guys. The plan is, we're lynching Rogueben and vigging stark. Get with the program!

I endorse this product or service.

populartajo · Sun Mar 15, 2009 3:25 pm

OhGodMyLife wrote:
camn was correct in pointing out that the to-lynch number was off.

Vote Count:
7 to lynch

Rogueben: 5 (Korejora, Xylthixlm, DrippingGoofball, populartajo, farside22)
stark: 2 (Rogueben, Xylthixlm)
camn: 1 (sam.samhorn)
Yosarian2: 1 (Tarhalindur)

Not Voting: 5 (hasdgfas, stark, populartajo, scotmany12, camn)

Yey, I got double vote powers!!!!

populartajo · Sun Mar 15, 2009 6:00 pm

Am I the only one that thinks that a prob vig (they guy with the arrows) and a mason group with a kill is too much?

populartajo · Sun Mar 15, 2009 6:32 pm

Xylthixlm wrote:I'm kind of assuming the guy with the arrows is might be a SK. He's doing a good job of killing scummy people though.

Also, the mason-vig group is less powerful than a regular vig, because it's possible one of them is scum - which would give the scum a very good chance of redirecting the mason-vig kills away from scum. Think of it as a town-within-the-town voting on who to night-lynch.

Why did you choose Tar?

populartajo · Mon Mar 16, 2009 4:27 am

Something tells me sam is too agressive/close minded to be a manipulating mafia. I could be wrong, though.

populartajo · Mon Mar 16, 2009 6:27 am

Korejora wrote:
stark. And you could argue Tar, too, but not near as hard.

@DGB, by 'bussed', do you mean it in the classic sense of scum vs scum? I think it's a little odd for scum to try and go after camn (if she's town), as she's not exactly an easy target right now.

Also this.
Why exactly hasnt Rogueben claimed yet?

populartajo · Mon Mar 16, 2009 10:56 am

Now that I think about it, is there any reason why we should peg camn as town?

populartajo · Tue Mar 17, 2009 4:56 am

DrippingGoofball wrote:
farside22 wrote:I'm telling you I'm a betting women I see Camn over Yos as scum if I'm wrong I owe someone big.
When with Rogue be back?
Your thoughts on armlx's claim?

Also, any insight from you regarding Kmd's interactions with other players/

Hahaha, I think the goofball is in too many games.

populartajo · Fri Mar 20, 2009 10:50 am

Argg, why did you prefer Yosarian than stark?
Arrower, can you help us with stark?

populartajo · Fri Mar 20, 2009 10:52 am

DrippingGoofball wrote:Hey poptartajo, you have an extra vote.

Thx, madame.

list wrote:1. DrippingGoofball
3. Slicey replaced hasdgfas N2
4. Korejora replaced CounselWolf D1
8. camn
9. stark
11. scotmany12
12. sam.samhorn
14. Tarhalindur replaced Jebus D1
15. populartajo
18. farside22

We have 2 confirmed scum. Townies, get your asses working and reread scumlists. Ill find scum number three tonight.

populartajo · Fri Mar 20, 2009 10:54 am

Slicey did you get any result? Yes or no?

populartajo · Fri Mar 20, 2009 11:02 am

farside22 wrote:
vote: camn

Come on you said between yos and camn. yos is dead camn or stark seem like the obvious choices.

Farside, claim please.

populartajo · Fri Mar 20, 2009 11:02 am

DGB, you had these things prepared, since when?

populartajo · Fri Mar 20, 2009 11:08 am

I WANT BOTH KOREJORA AND FARSIDE TO CLAIM IN THEIR NEXT POST.

populartajo · Fri Mar 20, 2009 11:46 am

Slicey wrote:
DrippingGoofball wrote:
Slicey wrote:Also, can someone tell me why pop is definitely town? His posts have been kinda town, but I want to know why he's "confirmed" town.
He hasn't typed a scummy word in the entire game, and is not connected to the evil that was Kmd and TSQ/Rogueben.
So he's not "confirmed town," just very likely to be town, correct?

That is correct.
I think the most important thing that makes me very likely to be town is the way KMD suspected me when he wasnt generally suspected and there was no need to bus. Also I was one of the first persons to call him scum when again bussing would have been a bad strategy for scum. (IIRC).

populartajo · Fri Mar 20, 2009 11:47 am

DrippingGoofball wrote:Right.

And now we need claims from Kore and samhorn.

Why do you think camn is town?
Actually I think that sam has less probs of being scum but I could be wrong.
Comments of the farside claim?

populartajo · Fri Mar 20, 2009 11:58 am

DrippingGoofball wrote:Kmd was very focused on his mission to kill townies night AND day.

Camn is town.

Not much to say about a vanilla claim.

Have you read my case on samhorn?

Yeah, I just think that he is too polemic to be scum. But as I said, I could be wrong.
We might as well consider the target of our arrower. Im leaning stark.

populartajo · Fri Mar 20, 2009 12:08 pm

Since when?

populartajo · Fri Mar 20, 2009 12:15 pm

Robin Hood, kill stark please.

populartajo · Fri Mar 20, 2009 12:23 pm

Prod : Kore and sam.

Luklz.

populartajo · Fri Mar 20, 2009 12:24 pm

DrippingGoofball wrote:
farside22 wrote:
DrippingGoofball wrote:
farside22 wrote:I don't mind dying for a cause but might I inquire to Tar whether you and camn are confirmed town to each other?
Don't inquire about that, instead, ask that samhorn and Kore claim ASAP.
I asked because of another game I was in where there was a mason pair with a kill, however one was scum and the other was town.
It's a valid question.
You know the masons were chosen by Xyl, who is a dead townie.

That doesnt mean that Xyl picked them all townies but hey I trust you.

populartajo · Fri Mar 20, 2009 12:36 pm

stark wrote:Explain why camn is town.

Stark, I dont know who do you think is scum or town.

populartajo · Fri Mar 20, 2009 12:52 pm

DrippingGoofball wrote:
Tarhalindur wrote:Also, now that I think about it: Scotmany12 needs to claim as well.
I second this motion.

What? I already know who he is.

populartajo · Fri Mar 20, 2009 12:57 pm

What about mass name claim?

populartajo · Sat Mar 21, 2009 3:50 am

I am not a role cop, Tar.
I thought scotmany was 3rd party but his role name is not necessarily indicating that.
Maybe we should mass claim or maybe we should name claim. Im still pondering it.
Also I wouldnt analyze wagons that have already 1 proven scum in it. The odds of finding scum in that wagons are lower.
More later.

populartajo · Sat Mar 21, 2009 12:14 pm

So kore and scot both claimed Aquinas?
Mmmm, let me reread again.

populartajo · Sat Mar 21, 2009 12:18 pm

WE NEED TO DO A MASSCLAIM. NAO.

populartajo · Sat Mar 21, 2009 12:21 pm

Pretty much confirmed town.

1. DrippingGoofball TOWN
3. Slicey replaced hasdgfas N2 PROB TOWN
8. camn PROB TOWN
14. Tarhalindur replaced Jebus D1 TOWN
15. populartajo TOWN

Pretty much non-confirmed

4. Korejora replaced CounselWolf D1
9. stark
11. scotmany12
12. sam.samhorn
18. farside22

Also, masons, can there be a possibility of camn being a GF or something like that?

populartajo · Sat Mar 21, 2009 12:23 pm

We are only facing 2-3 scum left.
What did Rogueben claim? Maybe there are fakeclaims? Has OGML done this before?

populartajo · Sat Mar 21, 2009 12:24 pm

Also, if there are fakeclaims, Dante Aligeri sounds like one of them.

populartajo · Tue Mar 24, 2009 5:18 am

DrippingGoofball wrote:I meant, Slicey and Kore are scum, not stark and Kore.

I need to revaluate this as I really read Slicey as town.

populartajo · Tue Mar 24, 2009 5:25 am

DrippingGoofball wrote:
populartajo wrote:I need to revaluate this as I really read Slicey as town.
Say nothing in thread until samhorn claims.

But put together the double Aquinas claim, the existence of a claimed rolecop, and stark's claim of framer-immune. Start thinking.

Let me revaluate some things before.
Sam is draggin this game.

populartajo · Wed Mar 25, 2009 11:02 am

I will break this game for you tonight.

populartajo · Wed Mar 25, 2009 11:25 am

Scum also have fakeclaims.

populartajo · Wed Mar 25, 2009 1:42 pm

Tarhalindur wrote:
populartajo wrote:Scum also have fakeclaims.
... How do you know that, again?

What did Rogueben claim?. It would scuk to claim Vlad, the Impaler, huh?

populartajo · Thu Mar 26, 2009 4:46 am

The analysis will have to wait for tonight since I got busy yesterday. Not having reread, I still think that I would be ext surprised if Slicey is scum.
Can you explain your theory again, DGB? And more clearly, why would scum need a name cop?

populartajo · Thu Mar 26, 2009 5:08 am

DGB, THE THEORY.

populartajo · Thu Mar 26, 2009 5:30 am

There is at least a scum between Kore and scot.
Why does Slicey have to target Kore?

populartajo · Thu Mar 26, 2009 5:41 am

DrippingGoofball wrote:
populartajo wrote:There is at least a scum between Kore and scot.
Why does Slicey have to target Kore?
It's not scot. Look at the timing of the claims, and their attitudes. Kore is the scum.

Now, Kore wants Slicey to confirm her name claim. Since her name claim is fake, Slicey-scum will confirm it. We would kill scot-town (according to the scumplan), and have Kore 'confirmed.'

If scot-town scomes up town, why would kore be confirmed?
Im leaning right now on Kore, but I need a reread.

populartajo · Thu Mar 26, 2009 5:48 am

DrippingGoofball wrote:Because Slicey would 'confirm' Kore. And we'd have to kill scot first. No way scot dies before Kore. No way.

Yeah, but if scot is killed and he comes up town and even worse at Aquinas, doesnt it mean that both Slicey and Kore would have to be scum together, making this a retarded play for scum?

populartajo · Thu Mar 26, 2009 10:50 am

scotmany12 wrote:
DrippingGoofball wrote:STARK:
We don't have an alignment cop. Therefore, stark's claimed role, which is alignment-cop immune, is absurd.
Perhaps we are all just misinterpreting his role wrong. All stark said was that it made him appear to not be an outlaw or something. You all assumed, stark included, that this had something to do with a miller.

Unvote
. I'm willing to let slicey investigate one of kore and I tonight. DGB's case on slicey makes little sense, unless she thinks there is a mafia namecop, which seems pointless.

Vote: Farside
. This is now the only lynch I shall support this day.

Do you realize that one of you is lying?
Why are you not voting kore?

populartajo · Thu Mar 26, 2009 1:14 pm

Paraphrasing.
I am TemÃ¼jin (1162 - 1227), aka Genghis Khan, the man who united the Mongol tribes of Asia.
Vanilla.

populartajo · Thu Mar 26, 2009 1:39 pm

Am I the only one seeing that one of Scot and Kore should be scum?
Dayvig: Scot
Lynch: Kore
These last values are interchangeable.
Mason target: Evaluate results and shoot stark or farside. GG.

populartajo · Thu Mar 26, 2009 1:40 pm

Votecount plz.

populartajo · Fri Mar 27, 2009 4:07 am

DrippingGoofball wrote:@Tar

Doesn't the Setesh gambit require them both to be scum?

=====================
WE ARE WITNESSING A GAMBIT
=====================

One of scot or Korejora is scum.

Chances that scot fakeclaimed a character in the game is ZERO times ZERO plus ZERO equals ZERO.

Scot claimed first.

Therefore, the only possible liar in this very simple equation is Korejora.

==============================
I STRONGLY OBJECT TO KILLING SCOT FIRST.
==============================

I agree to this.

populartajo · Fri Mar 27, 2009 4:08 am

camn wrote:Ok. Kore, then.

Which is a shame, because I like Kore more than I do scot..... but I don't see them both making it to endgame, anyway... so why not?

Tar? What say you?

On the other hand, I would LOVE to vig stark, just on principle. I totally hope you guys take care of him tonight.

I liked her more too but DGB is making sense. Yeah, go with kore.

populartajo · Fri Mar 27, 2009 9:37 am

DrippingGoofball wrote:
Tarhalindur wrote:*facepalm*

Wait a minute.

Korejora could be daykill-immune Mafia trying to waste that third daykill (and get an extra opening to sneak a Mafioso into).

Camn, nuke Stark for us, will you?
We could kill Slicey. Looks like he's in on the gambit.

I dont think Sicey is scum.
In any case he should die and only die if Kore is scum, a thing we still dont know.
Camn, nuke Kore. It if fails, we lynch her since no town should have daykilling protection.

populartajo · Fri Mar 27, 2009 10:04 am

Tarhalindur wrote:Camn.

Losing a daykill strips us of our autowin. (Then again, poptajo being scum might also do that...)

I don't like the Slicey shot. I don't want to take that shot until Korejora is dead. That means tonight or tomorrow.

I say vig Stark and we'll use the lynch on Korejora.

We can go this way too.
We need MOAR information.

populartajo · Fri Mar 27, 2009 10:38 am

Tarhalindur wrote:
DrippingGoofball wrote:
camn wrote:I would LOVE to vig Stark.

Stark.. any last words?
Stark's role makes no sense without a cop. I wouldn't object to that.
DGB, you've played in enough of my games, at least, to know that "makes no sense without a certain other role" doesn't mean that said role has to be in the game. The role can just be useless. (See also: Nurse with no Doctor [Adel IIRC], Psychiatrist with no SK [Guardian, Mafia 78]).

No, I want Stark dead because he's scummy as all hell.

Its always a plus, though.

populartajo · Fri Mar 27, 2009 10:39 am

DrippingGoofball wrote:I'm surprised how difficult it is to convince you all of a Kore/Slicey gambit.

It seems so obvious to me.

I know Slicey meta and I really dont see him trying anything like that.

populartajo · Fri Mar 27, 2009 10:49 am

DrippingGoofball wrote:His buddies may be more inspired.

This is assuming mafia dayltak, huh?

populartajo · Fri Mar 27, 2009 10:54 am

DrippingGoofball wrote:Not necessarily. They could have decided last night.

I thought Slicey replaced today. Could be.
Camn, we are waiting.

populartajo · Fri Mar 27, 2009 12:28 pm

Slicey wrote:
populartajo wrote:
DrippingGoofball wrote:I'm surprised how difficult it is to convince you all of a Kore/Slicey gambit.

It seems so obvious to me.
I know Slicey meta and I really dont see him trying anything like that.
I have a meta? >_>

I'd rather lynch stark and vig scot/kore.

Yes. We played in a Scope game and pegged you as town. You are acting similar here.

populartajo · Thu Apr 02, 2009 11:53 am

No. Dont lynch sam. Please wait tij tomorrow when i come back fron surgery

populartajo · Fri Apr 03, 2009 8:09 am

Tar, all your theory about the nk makes sense but its time to do something about camn.
why the hell camn is confirmed?
and how do you know that scot kill method was beheaded?

i ask these things now because im really having a hard time seeing slicey or sam as both scum (reads on previosu days) and i have this crazy feeling that farside is the last scum with a fake claim.

obv camn if SK wants to have a chance in this game she has to support the last scum (assuming 4 man scumgroup is obv right now) and i think she thinks the same aboiut farside.

how does a name claim cop make more sense for scum than for town with the amount of fake claims scum seem to have

that first post from farside is scmmy as hell, why did you miss it?

populartajo · Fri Apr 03, 2009 8:10 am

Slicey wrote:
Tarhalindur wrote:
So, Slicey: I'm sorry, but you don't get to survive to Day 5. So, camn: sorry, farside gets to wait until tomorrow, because the Vehm will be taking out Slicey tonight.
;~;

Tar, how sure are you that camn is a vig and NOT an SK. Cause I have a gut feeling she is an SK based on this:

I've never played as a SK.. but how brilliant would it be to just NOT kill anyone until the end. Be like, 'Surprise! I win.'
Something tells me this is exactly what camn is doing. Except that she disguised herself as a limited shot vig.

this i would expect from SLiceytown.

populartajo · Fri Apr 03, 2009 8:41 am

oh i see where did ogml confirm scot killing last night.
talking about balance, tar, you find 4 scum vs 1 limited vig more possible than 4 scum vs 1 day SK, knowing the killing power of the mason team?

populartajo · Fri Apr 03, 2009 9:46 am

camn wrote:I agree, I think the last scum are Sam and/or farside.

I am no SK, but even if I WERE... both the town and an SK can agree on killing scum.

why did u pick sam? only cuz farside voted him first which its strange since farside seems to know more of the game than her current lurky play

populartajo · Fri Apr 03, 2009 10:29 am

its obvious from a reread and my feelings ALL the gam.
you are not playing your town meta and your play here reminds me of some play where you have been scum before.... (still ongoing but you know what im talking about)
and sam is too polemic to be scum.

vote : farside

i really REALLY prefer farside being lynched now instead of sam.
I also think Slicey is town.

populartajo · Sat Apr 04, 2009 8:32 am

Tarhalindur wrote:Camn: Good point.

Now, more important matters:

Farside, sam.samhorn, poptajo: Do any of you have flavor in your role PM other than a basic summary of why your historical figure is famous?

This may be important.

Mod: Can we have a PROD on sam.samhorn?

no
tar, be nice and rerad sam and farside isolated
im not buying the i hate vanilla excuse
farside hasnt scumhunted at all and has spent all game semilurking to just start the day with a heavy informed post
sam could have been here to send the kill in the night?

populartajo · Sat Apr 04, 2009 12:01 pm

camn wrote:
Tarhalindur wrote: Camn, you're ignoring the fact that Slicey claimed Spanish Inquisition, and you're also missing something else. I'll explain after sam.samhorn and farside answer my question.
The name is a good point, but Pop claimed Genghis Khan, for gods sake. I can't put TOO much credence in name-claims alone.

Luckily, If we put this SK biz to rest, we have enough time to kill all three.

you think i can be scum, vamn?

populartajo · Sat Apr 04, 2009 12:03 pm

tar, ok, lets see what farside and slicey have to say
i strongly believe slicey is town and that the scum left has to be between farside and sam.
she thinks it that way too.
you havent answered why a mafia name cop makes sense, have you?

populartajo · Sun Apr 05, 2009 4:04 am

camn wrote:Look at you with your history knowledge.

Given you compelling rationale, I am perfectly willing to support a samhorn lynch followed by a Slicey Vig.

I just re-read farside and samhorn, and I feel Vanilla from her, scum from him. He was never on the right side of a scum lynch.. . and she was.

Also, I agree that a nk-proof mafia may exist, and Slicey ain't it.

can we kill now? I think Sam is the last one, and he has bailed out cuz he knows he is beat.

itt camn shows a little bit of impatience

populartajo · Sun Apr 05, 2009 4:07 am

Tarhalindur wrote:
populartajo wrote:tar, ok, lets see what farside and slicey have to say
i strongly believe slicey is town and that the scum left has to be between farside and sam.
she thinks it that way too.
you havent answered why a mafia name cop makes sense, have you?
Why a Mafia Role Name Cop might make sense:

1) Speaking as an experienced meta-breaking moderator (coughMindScrewcough), one of my current design principles is that "an ability that doesn't seem to make sense on Mafia is by definition a PERFECT ability for Mafia, because the Mafioso can true claim his ability and rely on the Town assuming that his claim cannot be Mafia to falseclear him". You wouldn't think that making both members of a Mason group come from the same Mason group would benefit the Mafia in any way, either... but that's exactly what I did in Mind Screw Mafia II, exactly because the Mafia could use that line of reasoning to falseclear a Mafioso.

2) Slicey as Mafia Role Name C0p would mean that the only investigative role in the game is a Mafia role - perfect for a meta-breaking moderator who doesn't like a "follow the Cop" meta, since if town assumes that at least one investigative role has to be town they lose to the Mafia.

3) The Mafia is definitely somewhat short on safeclaims - given the fact that scotmany got himself counterclaimed, I'd say that they had two safeclaims at most. Given that and scummy role names, Mafia could use *something* to help them avoid getting counterclaimed/badclaimed to death, and Role Name Cop is a perfectly reasonable means of doing so. (I strongly suspect that the last Mafioso is either our claimed role name cop or a Mind Screw 1-style role name Godfather.)

There's a different reason why I am so sure that Slicey is scum, but I'm not going to reveal it just yet. I will explain one certain outstanding issues are resolved.

I consider the first of these three reasons alone a fatal flaw in the "you havent answered why a mafia name cop makes sense" argument, let alone all three.

kay, tar, you are a convincing guy. Slicey can be scum, but he is absolutely playing his town meta right now (asking for your confirmation, if he were scum, he wouldnt ask that when its pretrt obvious you are confirmed) I think the last scum should be between farside and sam, STRONGLY leaning to farside. Can you make the balance of all town power roles and see if a name cop for scum makes sense?
Camn, do you still think sam sent the kill when its obvious he isnt in the site?

populartajo · Sun Apr 05, 2009 4:09 am

also tar, you are basing your case on ogml's flavor or i am missing something? ogml likes to play follow the flavor or would it be too obvious?

populartajo · Tue Apr 07, 2009 7:09 am

Tar, you are a convincing guy but i have some questions for you:
a) who do you think sent the kill last night? I assume scotmany, right? That means beheaded is his kill method.
b) different killing methods would explain the partially night kill inmunes townies, right?
c) So, you think this Aqunas thing was a gambit for scum. Scotmany claimed Aquinas to get a counterclaim for the real Aquinas. But why?
d)Any comments on Rogueben claim, who was not Vlad the Impaler? Do you think scum have fakeclaims or he looked it up in wikipedia?
c) why Slicey coming up scum will make camn a non-sk?
d) What happens if Slicey coming up town?
e? you think there is a scum between farside and sam?

Pleas nobody hammer. I think these questions are important.

populartajo · Wed Apr 08, 2009 4:59 am

Ok tar. Still some things that arent that clear.

a) Do you think that scotmany could exactly guess a name in the game? And why did they have to sacrifice him when korejora had to claim anyways (massclaim) and find out about the inmune townie?

b) Do you think its strange that farside thinks that there has to be scum between she and sam?

populartajo · Wed Apr 08, 2009 5:00 am

camn wrote:Oh, and plus... under the theory that I have more kills.... no one has ever explained how I was brilliant enough to breadcrumb that I had 3 and 3 alone!

It seems like, if I were a SK planning a limited-kill dayvig fakeclaim (which would have been awesome, btw.... someday!)... I think I would have chosen 4 or 5, right? Especially since I wouldn't have known about the Vehm at the time, I would have anticipated a longer game. Or if I wanted to vanilla-up right away.. why not 1? Why 3?

I am not that conniving!

But I wish I was . . .

why your flavor doesnt suggest 3 kills?

populartajo · Wed Apr 08, 2009 2:18 pm

what in your flavor suggests 3 kills, camn?
.........
also, tar, i dont know why but i have this feeling that if there is a scum between farside and sam, it HAS to be farside.

Look at the reactions. Farside thought it had to be sam or her but sam entered the day with a vote on camn (retarded thing to do as scum). Also, I could bet that sam was not here when night hit.
Can you confirm or deny this, sam?

Can your plan still can make town win if you kill wrong tonight? I still dont think Slicey is the best lynch of the day but your arguments are convincing and I cant give you more reason than gut in this scenario.

Also, the only question I have left is that do you really think that scotmany could have guessed exactly the name of a player here (korejora counterclaimed) cuz its what you are assuming happened, right? or am I missing something?

populartajo · Wed Apr 08, 2009 2:28 pm

So, you still think its sam over farside?
mmmmmmm
can you show me ALL your crumbs?

populartajo · Thu Apr 09, 2009 8:34 am

farside22 wrote:I really just can't feel comfortable with lynching Slicey. I don't know I just get this feeling like I'm being manipulated by Tar.
I really think Sam or I should be lynched and if you really feel Slicey is scum kill him tonight. I mean did he say he was immune to NK's or something?

now you are just playing girl. Please.

populartajo · Thu Apr 09, 2009 8:35 am

camn wrote:And look, pop.. If Tar agrees, I would be willing to support a Farside Vig tonight, and a samhorn lynch tomorrow, if it comes to that.

I am almost certain of a town win, or at WORST, an everyone-dies draw (which I have never seen!)

The last scum would have to be YOU, Pop, for there to be anything other than a town-win at this point.

Ok, camn, I buy your crumbs.
I want to know how Tar reacts to the last farside post.

populartajo · Thu Apr 09, 2009 9:46 am

Tarhalindur wrote:
populartajo wrote:
camn wrote:And look, pop.. If Tar agrees, I would be willing to support a Farside Vig tonight, and a samhorn lynch tomorrow, if it comes to that.

I am almost certain of a town win, or at WORST, an everyone-dies draw (which I have never seen!)

The last scum would have to be YOU, Pop, for there to be anything other than a town-win at this point.
Ok, camn, I buy your crumbs.
I want to know how Tar reacts to the last farside post.
Why exactly are you stalling here?

I think its obvious. We are going to lynch Slicey today anyways, your points make sense and I only cant battle them with a gutty town read on Slicey. The point here is that I dont agree with you killing sam tonight.

Worst scenario is that somehow camn is a lucky SK (it doesnt matter if she is a Vehm or not or that she is mafia or not since we are dealing with third party here) We lynch Slicey, you kill sam. Assume both are town, therefore the scum nk goes online.... what happens?

We wake up with a mafia (farside), a sk (camn) and one of you and me (town). Doesnt seem so town autowin in the WORST scenario, right?
Therefore its important to go tomorrow with a DEAD mafioso, preferably lynching him today. In the best case, we would have won, in the worst case, we lose.

The decision you have tonight its important if and only if camn is a SK. Therefore, I ask Tar, do yo really trust camn? If yes, then Ill vote Slicey.

populartajo · Thu Apr 09, 2009 10:58 am

Tarhalindur wrote:
populartajo wrote:
DrippingGoofball wrote:
Tarhalindur wrote:Also, now that I think about it: Scotmany12 needs to claim as well.
I second this motion.
What? I already know who he is.
Wait a minute...

Tajo, explain this post in full. NOW.

I thought scotmany was Robin Hood.

populartajo · Thu Apr 09, 2009 11:01 am

I speculated about this some time ago.

populartajo wrote:
scotmany12 wrote:DGB is making absolutely no sense right now. Not like I should be surprised or anything.
I have this crazy feeling that scot is 3rd party. AMIRITE AMIRITE?

Also, he didnt think Kmd was scum as soon as it was painfully obvious. Little time after, he corrected himself and suddenly Kmd was dead.
...
Tar, I am your second scum suspect?

populartajo · Thu Apr 09, 2009 11:02 am

More importantly, I am more prob scum than farside? WTF?
Tell me what in farside play today makes her town.

populartajo · Sat Apr 11, 2009 9:33 am

camn wrote:Um.. Hello?

Look.. If Slicey were town, he would be as interested in our impending win as I am.

Let's lynch now?

I have to agree with this. Also checking that Slicey has posted the past week in the site but here.
In the case he

forgot

about this game, we can still prod him and I still want to clear things with Tar.

Prod : Slicey.

populartajo · Sat Apr 11, 2009 11:04 am

Tar, Ill give you my thoughts of your comments of farside after my showa.
Can you try a similar exercise with sam?
Camn, why the unvote?

populartajo · Sat Apr 11, 2009 11:30 am

camn wrote:I vote with Tar.

Tar unvoted.. So do I.

So youll vote anyone that tar votes?