Mini 760 - Bleach Mafia: Karakura Town - Game Over!

[Seraphim]

Vote: GhostWriter

for stealing my joke. Only one person makes Portal references here and that person, good sir, is ME! ME! RAAAAAGH!

[Seraphim]

Look out! That finger could be poison, Korlash!

Anyway...Phily, why are you so eager to hunt lurkers on Page...2? I'd be more worried later in the game when activity is important.

[Seraphim]

GLaDOS: Why the change to Green Crayons?

[Seraphim]

I think GLaDOS is just awesome. Right?

I do agree that there's some interesting discrepancies in GC's posting...but Phily, your entire "mystery shadow-in-the-dark" type thing does not help the town. Explain what you mean or stop talking altogether.

as for GLaDOS, it looks like there was a reason for your vote...why did you state that there was none?

[Seraphim]

Erg0 = Green Crayons?

[Seraphim]

I apologize. Expect content later today.

[Seraphim]

Whoa! Looks this somehow did not end up on my Watched Topics list! I completely forgot about this game. I'll read up and get back to you guys soon.

[Seraphim]

Alright. First, I'll answer questions.

Right off the bat, let's go with GLaDOS.

Seraphim, how often do you forget to post in a game for an entire week directly after promising content? Hint: This question is purposefully loaded to make you look bad regardless of your answer.

I find it difficult to believe that this game never crossed your mind to the point where you felt obliged to at least explain that you have been busy – or whatever – rather than not posting here at all while posting elsewhere.

I've forgotten about games before, yes. It's not like this game has completely left my head; it's just that when I do remember it(like when I'm in bed, half-awake), I'm in no position to do anything. What led to me forgetting about the game is the fact that the game is and still remains rather boring. That's not anyone's fault in particular but when I'm in a large amount of games, the boring ones end up on the backburner. There's at least one other game where I'm inactive like this one, if you're willing to look. Shit happens and I put off reading the game until later. Then I forget about it. Well, it won't happen again unless I get bored again which I'll try my hardest not to do.

Now, are you ready for the answer the question?

As to your vote with no reasoning attached, reading back, I realized I made an error. I misread that as saying that you had no reasoning rather than you did not want to state your reasons at that time.

As for GC...I looked back at the posts and I looked at my post and can't remember why I made that post and what the hell I was talking about. I still have no idea what I was talking about. Sorry to deprive you of information but I must have been really tired or in a hurry at the time of that post.

So, who do I think is scum currently? The most suspicious are:

Zwet

and

ABR

Expect the cases on them in my next post which may or may not be coming up.

[Seraphim]

Gorrad:
But he talks like a gentleman, right? Like you imagined when you were young?

THE CASES:

Now, both players have one things in common: both of them have had short and unhelpful posts(talk about pot calling the kettle black, but hey). That's not a scumtell, persay, but it does not help either player.

First, ABR:

From your meta, I know that you tend to be manipulative and very, very aggressive. You've got an ego which is why I find it very odd that you're taking your cues from other players. First, you're with Green and then you join onto a popular wagon(zwet) off of one post just because other people are voting for him.

I've decided to get back into the game. I will take no questions for the moment.

and I still don't get this post.

And this:

Say you suspect two people equally. Who are you going to vote for, the one who has 3 people on the bandwagon, or the one with only 1 person?

Way to set up tomorrow's lynch. Looks like we know who you're attacking tomorrow.

All in all, I think ABR is scummy because he definitely isn't playing like his townie self...it's very odd and very unlike ABR. This aided by some very scummy behavior. He would be my vote right now if it wasn't for...

ZWET:

Scum, but I want Phily to answer first.

I don't like this post.

That's why I was holding off on GC until Phily gave me something to work with.

I don't like this post either

It's not a contradiction. I'm still trying to decide whether or not Phily is scum. I won't vote for Green Crayons until I do.

I don't like this post combined with the previous two.

Since GC is scum in the first post, why aren't you voting him? It smells bad. And why does Phily have to give you something to work with? There is no question and I think that you're just looking to make another player look bad while still attacking GC. Carrying on two attacks in such a fashion is scummy, my friend.

I'm not worthless. Phily is looking more and more like town, while Green Crayons seems to be falling under the radar.

What? That's why you vote for GC? Because he's falling under the radar? WHAT?!

Vote: Deadline Extension

We don't need a deadline extension. You're just trying to prolong your own death.

Vote: zwet

That's L-1. I also did some checking back on his town meta and he's usually a lot more helpful than this.

[Seraphim]

Alright. Day 2, dead SK, no NKs. We got lucky. Time to start hunting scum.

AWESOME! 'doctor' save! (most likely, no idea why mafia would NK)

I don't like this WIFOM at all. I just finished a newbie game where the scum no-killed on D1, setting up a doctor claim later in the game. If the cop hadn't gotten a guilty on that night, we would've been in a lot of shit. Remember, assume makes an ass out of 'u' and me.

Here's the newbie game I was talking about. https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... c&&start=0

well the doctor now knows a (potential) clear, which is good.

Look out for Mafia fake-claiming doctors who might clear their buddies later. Once again, DO NOT ASSUME THERE IS A DOCTOR. Not to mention that cheering the doctor on is a scumtell if I recall correctly. Just be happy there aren't any dead townies this morning.

also, it is HIGHLY likely, (assuming we have three mafia)
that two mafia were on zwetschenwasser's bandwagon.
my reasoning for this? because i doubt that the mafia could have known the serial killer,
so they probably thought a regular town-aligned player was getting lynched.

Assume makes an ass out of you and me.

i still suspect Albert B. Rampage of being a mafia member. i can also see Seraphim being scum as well.

Why?

first of all, i don't see how Albert B. Rampage seems pro-town.

More content please.

So you are saying that I am not allowed to congratulate the doctor on their correct prediction?
So you are saying that it is a BAD thing that nobody was killed?
So you are saying that you would rather see somebody DEAD?
So you are saying that when nobody is killed, that it can't possibly be a doctor save?

1. HOW DO YOU KNOW IT WAS A DOCTOR GRAGH?!
2. No, he's saying it's a scumtell.
3. Yes, you.
4. It can possibly be but your congrats sounds like it's definitely a doctor save.

I want to see more of ZEEnon before I vote him, however. He lurked out most of day 1 so I don't have a read on him.

ABR still is useless which is disturbing.

Look, I don't really give a damn about these stupid questions. We're trying to scumhunt here.

What the hell? Scumhunt by interrogation is what he's trying to do. What is your preferred method, echoing other people's cases?

ZEEnon's single scumtell is disturbing but not as disturbing as ABR's incredibly poor play.

Vote: Albert B. Rampage

[Seraphim]

First of all, I'm not blindly following OR leeching. I've seen scum do this first-hand, Random Mafia 3, where I led the attack on UROE D1. A case that started as him commenting on night kills.

I see this as trying to link 'blindly following' (poor town play) to MY accusation of 'leeching' (scummy). Where are you going with the meta though? You saw what I accused you of being done by scum?

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Albert, starting to feel town vibes off you strangely enough...I dont think you deserve those votes either. Zeenon, Glados, do your positions on Albert still stand? Anyone else you're seeing as scummy? I could very well be missing out on something here.

Where did these town vibes kick in? The minute he stopped attacking you?

I'm calling either Phily being scum and buddying to ABR now that he's not under fire or ABR being scum.

Thanks for catching that Gorrad. Maybe Zeenon is the doc so I rather vote for Seraph.

What makes ZEEnon more the doc than myself? What makes him the doc? What makes me scum? What makes me not the doc? This does not feel like town-ABR at all.

[Seraphim]

Because automatically assuming doctor is what nearly lost us the game in the Newbie Game I linked. I'm not going to worry about this no-kill until someone claims doctor and then we can talk about it.

[Seraphim]

And that's why you're not likely to be the doctor, Seraphim.

But does it make me more likely to be scum?

[Seraphim]

Touche. ZEEnon, IMO, is more likely to be scum.

[Seraphim]

Let's just say I would put enough thought into it so that I wouldn't attempt to kill potential doc targets.

This somehow makes it seem like you know that GLaDOS was last night's target.

Unvote
Vote: ZEEnon

FoS: GLaDOS

[Seraphim]

Let's make this clear: I though the scum tell in question was congratulating the doc, not commenting on night actions period. ZEE congratulated the Doc and I said that we shouldn't assume that it's the Doc. There's a difference unless you can somehow prove that the two are the same.

Also, you are ALSO guilty of committing action X, GC.

Talk about an incredibly loaded question, and one that I would be happy to answer if this was a thread in Mafia Discussion. Let's just say I would put enough thought into it so that I wouldn't attempt to kill potential doc targets.

You're insinuating that the doc protected...commenting on night actions which is apparently a scum tell.

Also, look at ZEE's reply to this post...something you haven't answered yet.

This somehow makes it seem like you know that GLaDOS was last night's target.

This is incredibly suspicious. Take a look at the posts and see what you can glean. I'm willing to bet that one of these players is scum, definitely not both though. If ZEE and GC were scum together, I really hope that ZEE would not try to point this out.

[Seraphim]

Warg. Not feeling good and up to the mental agility it's going to take to defend myself right now. First thing tomorrow...I had a jazz festival to go to yesterday and I didn't get home until midnightish...got five hours of sleep...so, not at the top of my game.

[Seraphim]

Post upcoming. I apologize for my absence, but I have to say that I believe that I may have the flu or something similar. I feel lucid enough to post so post I shall. This post shall solely be devoted to my defense. Unless someone posts after this post, it will be the next post I make.

[Seraphim]

So, let's divide my case into three seperate parts:

1. "Seraphim commented on night actions!"
2. "Seraphim attacked another player for making the same scumtell as him!"
3. "Seraphim said the other player was scummier than him for no reason whatsoever!"

Part 1:

Alright, let's talk about this. The main part of my case is an age-old scum tell where something strange happens during the night and a player comments on it. This can range from there being no night kill to there being 2, 3 or even 4 night kills. The latter indicates multiple killing groups, but the former indicates A. A role that blocks kills in some way, shape, or form or B. The mafia didn't send in a night-kill that night.

When I attacked ZEEnon's post, I stated that ZEEnon was leaping to conclusions and implying knowledge of night actions that, as town, he should not have. I'm confused as to why this is a scum-tell as it seems completely logical to me. I really can't defend this point terribly well.

Part 2:

Yes, I did, as his professed knowledge of night actions. "GO DOCTOR GO!" implies that he knows that the doctor protected that night while I am merely stating that it was possible that it wasn't the doctor who made the save last night if there was indeed a save last night. I think ZEE and I did two completely different things: ZEE commented on the lack of night kills and I told him that doing so implied action about last night.

Part 3:

I think ZEE's action was scummier as he implied knowledge of night actions that he shouldn't have. I made this point previously.

Are there any other points you want me to cover?

[Seraphim]

FoS: Xtoxm

Oh, were we waiting for my claim? I have no problem claiming right this instant. I thought I was defending my case, which seemed to be the feeling I was getting. If I just had to claim, I would have done so a long time ago. Please note that this vote reeks like hell when I flip town.

I am

Kon

and have the ability to "hide" with another player rendering me untargetable for kills that night. However, if the player I am hiding behind is targeted for a kill, I also die.

I targeted Gorrad on Night 1.

[Seraphim]

Seraphim, why did you target Gorrad on Night One? Do you die if you hide with scum?

1. I targeted him because of his late entry. I felt he had the least chance of being targeted by scum that night.

2. No, as far my role goes.

You said you die if the person you hide with is targeted for a kill. Are you saying that if the player you hide with is town and somehow eludes dying (through protection, unnightkillability, etc.), you die anyways?

No, sorry. My bad. If the kills goes through, I die.

Were you summarizing while looking at your role PM, or from memory?

From memory. Didn't have to time to dig it out of my inbox.

Specifically, you say you are "untargetable for kills. Are you "untargetable" for other actions?

Yes. Or rather, the results that someone would get back would be the person I am hiding behind. For example, if I was targeted by a cop and I was hiding behind scum, I would read scum.

So basically, what I do, summarized:

1. I target someone to hide behind.
2. If I am targeted for a kill, the kill does not go through.
3. Any other action translates to the person I am hiding behind. For example, if someone targets me to track, investigate, role-cop, etc, I would return a result of the person I am hiding behind.
4. If the person I am hiding behind dies, I die as well.

[Seraphim]

Could you give more detail on your PM

On the flavor, you mean?

[Seraphim]

This isn't difficult, people.

1.) What happens if you are tracked? Would the tracker get results on the person you hid behind? They wouldn’t see you hide behind the person?
2.) What happens if you are watched? Would the Watcher instead get the results on the player you hid behind? Would the Watcher get results on both all players who targeted you and all the players who targeted the person you hide behind?
3.) What happens if you hide behind a Doctor and that same Doctor protects you? Does this essentially mean the Doctor protects himself, therefore leaving both of you completely invincible so long as there is only one kill each night?
4.) Same as above – a Cop could investigate themselves and would not even know it? [Same goes for Tracker, Watcher, or any information role].

1. If they tracked me, they would get the results of the person I'm hiding behind. Something to do with spirit threads.
2. If they watched me, they would get results of the person I was hiding behind, yes.
3. I would assume that if the doctor protected me and I was hiding behind him, he would target me normally. Also, I looked back again, one would also conclude that roleblocks would stop me hiding altogether.
4. Yes, this is true.

Xtoxm, GC, what exactly are you talking about? Do you want the flavor for my role PM as well? Straight-forward questions and I will give you straight-forward answers.

[Seraphim]

I didn't catch all the questions directed at me(Mastin's post was tl;dr) but I will definitely try and clear up any confusion concerning my role. Here is the flavor surrounding my role(paraphrased) plus the ability yet again:

I am

Kon

. Due to my compact body, I can hide with one person every night in their packs, shielding me from NKs. However, anyone tracking me via "spirit threads" will get confused and find the person I hid behind instead.

I targeted Gorrad on N1.

I still have no idea whether or not this extends to doctor protections or not. I already asked whether or not this transfers to roleblocks and I can get roleblocked and not hide behind anyone.

Any other questions?

[Seraphim]

Seraphim, did the mod ever clarify for you/did you ask what would happen if you targeted a scum? Or what would happen if you were targetted by a non-scum, non-"spirit thread" tracker?

I do not die if I target a scum.

My role PM seems to indicate that such a role does not exist though I will ask the mod this question.

[Seraphim]

I will continue to keep my vote on ZEE and continue to answer questions concerning my role.

[Seraphim]

I think I could have deterred my lynch D2 if I hadn't been gone when I was lynched.

That fake-claim was made up, BTW. I didn't even know whether or not Kon was in the game. Good game, though. Town kicked some serious ass, lynching anti-town three times in a row.

Gorrad, I wished you had told me more fakeclaim info...I'm looking at the role PM and you apparently knew that Ichigo/Ishida weren't in the game. With my info we might have been able to create plausible fakeclaims and figure out which roles actually were in the game. But I don't fault you...just saying.

[Seraphim]

Wait, never mind, look at wrong role PM.