Mini 760 - Bleach Mafia: Karakura Town - Game Over!

[Gorrad]

I'm here! Sorry. When I got back, I forgot to add this to my watched topics list. Reading through tomorrow, most likely.

[Gorrad]

Read through. Notable thoughts:
GLaDOS is probably town. I'd bet on ABR-town too.
Scumvibes from PhilyEc. Also, birthday vibes. Happy birthday!
Korlash is Korlash. And awesome. Dunno about allignment.

Scummy actions I'll admit. 'Lying' is never good.

This is completely incorrect, and hypocritical. LALAL.

Vote: Giuseppe

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[Gorrad]

Thanks Gorrad, oh and Zwets, considering you're playing so many games, is this the reason you've decided to observe only one person? If so, what exactly did I do that caught your eye?

@Giuseppe
Any idea of who here seems most scummy? I'd really like to know what you're thinking right now (understands you're V/LA but I think you'll see this question later).

@LHNM
Seems like an opinion of Giuseppe rather than a scummy move, could be seen as a pre-emptive strike to start a wagon effect but I dont see that happening anytime soon. That would be taking a leap to assume though. A vote seems inappropriate, even scummy in its own sense.

@Gorrad
Following the lynch all liars principle? "completely incorrect, and hypocritical" to him admiting lying is scummy and never good? Seems very correct to say such a thing in his case, though hes basically agreeing with people that what he did deserves a vote. What you've left out is his defense that hes not good with defending himself in the first place.

I think claiming to be poor at your defending yourself is okay, but lying to do it? Either he paniced or else its another lie. This would seem more appropriate to vote towards.

Er, the @ tag mix-up confused me. Is there anything in this to which you want my response?

The LALAL I can explain- not only was he saying LAL when he himself had lied, but I've both lied and seen people lie for VERY protown reasons. I find the absolutist mantra of 'LAL' used much more often by scum than town, as a weak excuse to vote. So simply put- Lynch all those who say to lynch all liers.

[Gorrad]

@Gorrad
I thought LAL = LAWL = LOL o.o Anyways you answered my question to you anyway, you're not in favour of lynching all liars like I assumed as scum eat up his coming out about lying. Hmmm

Does this mean you think Green Crayons is scummier than Giuseppe?

No. I agree with GC that what Guiseppe did (the lying to look less suspicious) was bad. Plus Guiseppe then goes on to say LAL (which, I suppose, means he should be voting for himself). I don't see GC as saying to LAL, just that Guiseppe's lie was more scummy than town, which I can agree with.

[Gorrad]

Not necessarily.

Please provide a counterexample so we can tear it to shreds.

[Gorrad]

You're using 'LAL' to mean something different than I. 'LAL' does not work. It cannot be correct. Saying that someone's lie is town or scum, that can be correct, incorrect, etc. That's not what I'm against. I'm against those who believe someone should die simply because of lying.

He never said 'LAL', but saying that 'lying is never good' falls under the same category- admittedly, not to the same extremes, but still...

Oh, and sidenote revival: My favorite character is Aisen.

[Gorrad]

And in the case of fakeclaim cop, lie, claim vanilla. I believe that player should be lynched simply becuase of that lie. Do you disagree with it?

I don't understand this. Like, literally, I do not follow what you are trying to say. Can you rephrase please?

I said LALAL because it was funny to have it briefed to that. I do believe basically in LALAL, I wasn't lying, but I don't limit it to those who only believe LAL- he's using a false absolute, the essence of why I dislike LAL, and that puts him close enough to it for him to arouse my ire.

Arouse my ire...I need a D&D fix ><.

[Gorrad]

Here's our key difference in phrasing, Korlash. LAL is lynch ALL liers. It's not lynch those who lie under specific circumstances in which lying is inexcusable. It's the using of a false absolute in order to justify votes that upsets me.

As for your second paragraph, I disagree with you. I don't find it acceptable. You do? Whoop dee doo. We'll have a disagreement party and have crumpets and rave music. Do you have a /problem/ with me not finding it acceptable?

[Gorrad]

Ok, I'll buy that.

Unvote

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So, until I find someplace better for it, I'm going with my gut.

Vote: PhilyEc

[Gorrad]

My gut's usually a LOT more reliable than my logic- hate to say it, but it's true.

[Gorrad]

I said I follow your logic here:

http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 83#1554183

Which predates Philys accusations. After reading your post Green, I suspected both G and PhilyEc. I only concentrated on G at the time, because I believe its better to pressure 1 player at a time.

I am then forced to physically write out my suspicions of PhilyEc:

http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 46#1554346

This also predates his vote.

Therefore, I have never OMGUS'd him.

It's probably not smart to use the abreviation 'G' in a game where one third of the players have usernames which begin with that letter.

[Gorrad]

Aye, that's the gist of it. Nothing better, so I'm going with gut. When/if I DO have something better, I'll change to that. Not like I'm hopping on a bandwagon here.

[Gorrad]

ABR is something I can relate with but Zwet is 'scum' in everygame, fyi, I dont like it. His actions are extremely suspicious in this game to be fair in the way that hes behaving (being very reserved at the moment). I'm sure at least half of you here are aware of how outspoken he can be about any post rather than observing.

Any reason why you decided to do this Zwet? Hoping to see some flaw you could exploit in my posts or was your hunch just very strong?

The fact that Zwet is always scummy doesn't negate that he's scummy, unless it's all for the same reason in which case it's playstyle.

[Gorrad]

Jebus replaces LynchHimNotMe, welcome to the game Jebus!

There will be no deadline extension for any reason.

He doesn't look a thing like Jebus.

Unvote, Vote: Zwet

. Deadline aproacheth, and there are much worse people to vote.

[Gorrad]

EBWOP: That's L-2.

[Gorrad]

Please expand on this because it's making me HIGHLY suspicious of you. ... wordswordswords

Rules for Finding Mafia
1. Congratulate the doctor on successful protection: Is scum or doctor (+20, +10)

You definately pulled the classic "Look, I'm mafia trying to look like a town!" or the less classic "Look, I'm doc trying to not be subtle about me being the doc!" Either way, players don't congratulate the doctor anymore. It puts a big fat target on their head (by the town if they're scum; by scum if they're the doctor). So, congrats, you just exposed yourself for one or the other.

I fully support this, and for this reason I:

Vote: ZEEnon
FoS: Seraphim

[Gorrad]

First of all, I'm not blindly following OR leeching. I've seen scum do this first-hand, Random Mafia 3, where I led the attack on UROE D1. A case that started as him commenting on night kills.

Seraphim had "Alright. Day 2, dead SK, no NKs. We got lucky. Time to start hunting scum." Which is worthy of an FoS for the same reason as ZEE's worthy of a vote, but not at the same scale.

I don't follow the idea of it being one or the other. I follow it being a scumtell. I suppose it COULD be because ZEE's the doc, but I've never seen that first-hand, and I have seen it as a very solid scumtell.

[Gorrad]

First of all, I'm not blindly following OR leeching. I've seen scum do this first-hand, Random Mafia 3, where I led the attack on UROE D1. A case that started as him commenting on night kills.

I see this as trying to link 'blindly following' (poor town play) to MY accusation of 'leeching' (scummy). Where are you going with the meta though? You saw what I accused you of being done by scum?

No. In that game I led an attack on scum for commenting on night kills. I'm not blindly following or leeching, I'm making a play based on a scumtell I've seen and acted on before before.

First of all, I'm not blindly following OR leeching. I've seen scum do this first-hand, Random Mafia 3, where I led the attack on UROE D1. A case that started as him commenting on night kills.

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I don't follow the idea of it being one or the other. I follow it being a scumtell. I suppose it COULD be because ZEE's the doc, but I've never seen that first-hand, and I have seen it as a very solid scumtell.

Did you read your quotation that you cited? In order to support your vote you cite my quotation of the Wiki. The wiki article, which is based off of anecdotal evidence from Jeep. That anecdotal evidence shows that people who perform this tell are usually scum or the doctor. But, you're only willing to use that anecdotal evidence to say that ZEE is scum (because that's all you've seen), instead of acknowledging that Jeep also says that doctors have a bad habit of performing this tell. So, you're right. You

aren't

blindly following. You're cherry picking to give an excuse for someone who has the potential to be the doctor. Scummy, much?

Aye, I didn't read the quote thoroughly enough. I saw someone jumping on ZEE for a scumtell that I personally put great weight in, and I quoted without fully realizing what I was quoting. In my next post, I clarify my stand. Happy? Schön?

[Gorrad]

PhilyEc, I have a really bad gut feeling about, but I can't find specific examples of why when I go through the posts. I've learned that my gut's usually a pretty good detector, but going through I can't find anything I can quote. I'd vote on a deadline, but I'm much more comfortable on a ZEE or Seraphim lynch.

Albert seems to have generally the same feelings as I do on people, though not always, and his brand of one-liners fall in par with what I recall him doing previously as town. I'd give him about 75% townie odds.

[Gorrad]

Korlash, have I mentioned how much I enjoy playing mafia with you?

ZEE, I gotta say, this nails it. Resulting to a personal insult when attacked like that when there was no need makes me pretty bloody set in my vote. You didn't have to post. You could have just waited and made a full response when it was later in the day. But you didn't; you went out of your way to insult Korlash without making any sort of response to his points.

[Gorrad]

Not sarcasm. And it's only different in that he made a post JUST to make a personal insult at Korlash. I get REALLY defensive when people insult those I hold in high regard, and he contributed nothing in that post other than an insult. When someone's genuinely an idiot (read also: Blackberry), such insults can be neccesary. In this case, they are not.

I spy with my little eye someone bussing! Hint: The name starts with an 'S', and ends with an 'eraphim'. Still, I'm much more confident in ZEE-scum, so I'm willing to take advantage of the bus. Either way.

Mod: Vote Count please!

[Gorrad]

Did I say the insult was the basis for my suspicion? No. It's the final nail. And considering UROE in the quoted game, I'm perfectly fine lynching ZEE based on that one post.

[Gorrad]

Three on Zee, three on Seraphim. I don't trust either of them. I trust Korlash and ABR, but not really GC, and I totally trust myself. Happy with my vote.

[Gorrad]

Three on Zee, three on Seraphim. I don't trust either of them. I trust Korlash and ABR, but not really GC, and I totally trust myself. Happy with my vote.

So you don't trust Seraphim but you trust him enough to be happy with your vote alongside his own?

I don't trust him OR ZEE. They're voting for each other, so no matter which of the two I'm voting for, I'll have someone I don't trust voting with me.

[Gorrad]

...Well, what do you think of Korlash?

I just said I trusted him, didn't I?

[Gorrad]

Yes. Yes you did. Apparently I'm not fully awake.

It's cool.

[Gorrad]

Seraphim, it's L-2. Now would be an ideal time to claim.

Welcome to the game, Mastin. Looking forward to reading some speculation as to who is scum as opposed to ideas about the setup on freakin' D2.

[Gorrad]

Games Korlash and I have been in:
Two epic-sized large themes:
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... highlight=
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... highlight=

One pretty darn epic mini theme
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... highlight=

And he's been in two games which I've modded, plus is a pre-in for my (shameless plug) Case Closed mafia which is currently taking sign-ups.
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... highlight=
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... highlight=

We were also both in a game which is still ongoing.

[Gorrad]

ZEEnon hasn't posted since the 31st. I don't like how Seraphim's been playing, but it seems rather obvious that ZEE's lurking in the hopes that the blame gets shifted off of him.

[Gorrad]

ZEEnon hasn't posted since the 31st. I don't like how Seraphim's been playing, but it seems rather obvious that ZEE's lurking in the hopes that the blame gets shifted off of him.

EBWOP: Suspicion would be a better word here than blame.

[Gorrad]

Now, I don't have a problem believing Kon's in the game. I don't take issue with him being a hider. What I DO take issue with is, on this:

1. I target someone to hide behind.
2. If I am targeted for a kill, the kill does not go through.
3. Any other action translates to the person I am hiding behind. For example, if someone targets me to track, investigate, role-cop, etc, I would return a result of the person I am hiding behind.
4. If the person I am hiding behind dies, I die as well.

Why do kills not translate to the hided but other actions do? It doesn't make sense.

I call shenanigans.

Unvote, Vote: Seraphim

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[Gorrad]

No roles are perfect fits to the characters in these kinds of games. Ryuk as a Bulletproof Townie in Death Note didn't really make a lot of sense, but it was the best I could do with the character.

[Gorrad]

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/M ... InAudacity

[Gorrad]

I've always been more in favor of a ZEE lynch. His transgression was simply greater than Seraphim's regarding the night kill commentary. Seraphim, as I meant with 451, has claimed a role so unbelievable that I actually am in favor of believing it. If it came down to the wire, yes, a Seraphim lynch would be acceptable, but ZEE is a much better candidate in my eyes.

[Gorrad]

...why was my vote on Seraphim?

RIGHT! The kills paradox.

Ok, yeah, scratch my last post. Seraphim's a good lynch.

[Gorrad]

Unvote, Vote: Xtoxm

for three reasons:

First off, what ABR said.

Second, any smart cop would claim if they had a guilty on someone. Remember that old saying, one town for one scum is always a good trade? It's true. If he had a guilty, he'd likely bloody well say so.

Third, Policy.

As far as Mastin goes, it's very possible that the mod gave the 'Kon' fakeclaim knowing that Mastin's role would back it up. When I wrote Death Note Mafia (And I'm going to be bringing this game up a lot due to similarities) I put only one member of the Kira Insvestigation Team (Matsuda) as a role and put the others as fakeclaims, despite their fitting the flavor well, with Matsuda there to make them seem more likely.

Also, keep in mind that, due to Philly's Role, we may well be looking at multiple mafias. Normally, I might think that the role simply meant that Philly couldn't find the SK, but as the SK's ALSO a hollow I think we may be looking at either a non-Hollow mafia partner (given flavor of "Hollow Mafia", unlikely) or another anti-town altogether.

[Gorrad]

Also, keep in mind that, due to Philly's Role, we may well be looking at multiple mafias. Normally, I might think that the role simply meant that Philly couldn't find the SK, but as the SK's ALSO a hollow I think we may be looking at either a non-Hollow mafia partner (given flavor of "Hollow Mafia", unlikely) or another anti-town altogether.

If we are looking at multiple mafia's they suck as in two nights they have made a combined total of 1 kill.

I think it's more likely called "hollow cop" becuase he probably got his results as "hollow" or "Not hollow" and it could be that he COULD find the SK, to my knowledge most normally cops won't find the SK, so bybeing a hollow cop his role both found mafia and the SK through investigations.

Ah! All right, I can see that.

[Gorrad]

1: My traitor theory,
2: Mafia godfathers
3: Non-hollow mafia. We don't know for certain that Phil's killer was a hollow--

I don't see how the traitor explains Philly's role, a godfather would still probably be a hollow so it makes no sense either, and do you have any examples of non-hollow mafias that could be in this game? Aside from Uryu, who I highly doub is an anti-town force, I can't think of any non-hollow scum characters that make sense being here.

Aisen and his lot.

[Gorrad]

Whatever just lynch me

Claim?

[Gorrad]

Aisen and his lot.

In karakuta town? *slap* Bad Gorrad... bad...

Right. They weren't around for Karakuta...

Still might be in the game : P. But yeah, I guess not likely.

[Gorrad]

See Don Kanonji is the best choice for a secondary non-hollow scum based soley on th fact he half created a hollow in the show. he's also in the list of secondary near-safe claims along with Kon, although that alone doesn't make it fake. I am currently sitting on a list of the most likely 10 town characters, of that I only assume we have 8 town roles, meaning two of them are likely not in the game. And With Don Kanonji not even being a part of that list it makes him even less likely to be in the game.

Need I bring up DN mafia again? Lind L. Taylor was a role, as was Hideki Ryuga. Minor roles have a place in theme games, Korlash.

[Gorrad]

Sorry for the double post, didn't see the new page.

ZEE, if you have something that clears Xtoxm, say it. Without hard evidence, he's pretty clearly the lynch in my eyes.

As for the rest of your post:

A) Your role speculation is pretty bold. I rarely see a mini theme like this where roles to role names were that predictable. (This applies to Mastin as well.)

B) What in the nine rings is your case against me? You say "Probable Scum" twice without expanding on why, with the exception of saying my vote on you is baseless (Which it's not. Recall that the 'commenting on "doctor save"' thing was what started the Seraphim-scum wagon. Told y'all that was a scumtell.). You also say that you and Philly were the only ones to really get my attention. Why the hell would I NK someone scummy as scum? Yeah, it's WIFOM, but still. It would be pretty freakin' dumb of me to do so. Plus, to toally negate those last few sentences, I voted Philly as a gut vote, and unvoted when I had one better.

And to top off this post, I have no clue why people INSIST on bringing it up in every game I'm in:

NO JESTER SPECULATION!!!!!!!!!

[Gorrad]

Missed this line:

NO JESTER SPECULATION!!!!!!!!!

If we never assume there is a Jester, then they'll win far more often than if we did.

So. WHAT?!?!?

[Gorrad]

So. WHAT?!?!?

So, if the Jester wins, that player does, but nobody else--town or scum--does. Which we can agree is universally bad.

This is so not true, it's not even funny.

Think about it: You're a mod. You come up with a theme game, and put a lot of effort into making a fair and balanced setup. Would you REALLY put in a role that can end the game after Day 1? In an open game or nontheme, maybe. But not here.

That's not to say there's no Jester. There could well be. But if they win, the game would just keep going.

[Gorrad]

Why the hell would I NK someone scummy as scum?

Actually PhilyEc did not catch my eye even once to be scum for some reason.

Yeah, try reading the rest of that paragraph. I didn't find him particularly so either, just a gut. I was simply stating that your sentence in 532, "Notice how PhilyEc is the only person besides me to bring attention to Gorrad?", is completely irrelevant. It's wrong, and even if it was right it would make no sense as a scumtell.

[Gorrad]

Yeah, try reading the rest of that paragraph. I didn't find him particularly so either, just a gut. I was simply stating that your sentence in 532, "Notice how PhilyEc is the only person besides me to bring attention to Gorrad?", is completely irrelevant. It's wrong, and even if it was right it would make no sense as a scumtell.

I've gotten night killed for almost knowing both the mafia in my first game.
Ask Green Crayons, he's the one that killed me.

That's nice. How is it at all relevant to the current situation?

[Gorrad]

Before I put my two cents in on the role, I want ZEE to claim what the heck his role is as opposed to constantly skipping around it. If you have something to put Xtoxm in the clear, I want to hear it.

Looking at my PM, it does look like I have some kind of hidden ability. I'm pretty sure at least Korlash is telling the truth.

[Gorrad]

Gorrad

Seraphim had "Alright. Day 2, dead SK, no NKs. We got lucky. Time to start hunting scum." Which is worthy of an FoS for the same reason as ZEE's worthy of a vote, but not at the same scale.

Touche. ZEEnon, IMO, is more likely to be scum.

Gorrad, your logic here is exactly the same voiced by Seraphim. How does that make you feel? How do you explain this? Do you still feel the same way about ZEE? Why did you feel the need to reiterate this feeling in 463 when the Seraphim lynch started to waver? Don't you think your 463 looks really bad (as in,

really freakin' bad

) beside 468 where you're just following Albert like a lost puppy but giving really bad excuses so it doesn't look like your following Albert like a lost puppy?

Gorrad, what was the point of your 384?

I could easily see 409 as an early bus. Gotta jump ship quick when a scumbuddy makes a piss poor claim. Gorrad, how do you align this post with your 428 which pretty much makes a big fat excuse for Seraphim's bogus claim?

Why were you linking to tvtropes?

1. Frankly, I don't see how the logic there is the same at all. For one thing, Seraphim has an obvious strong bias. Secondly, I, unlike Seraphim, posted reasons why ZEE was more likely. You can't say we have the same logic when Seraphim doesn't post logic. And yes, I still feel the same way about ZEE. In fact, Xtoxm's claim's satisfied me enough for now,

Unvote, Vote: ZEEnon

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2. I found ZEE's original transgression worse than Seraphim's. I found him scummier. However, the kills paradox, aka the reason I was voting Seraphim, slipped my mind in 463, hence why I thought I was voting ZEEnon. When I realized that I wasn't, I looked through my post history and remembered why my vote was where it was.

3. 384 is a response to 383, which included:

Gorrad strikes me as the observer in this game, some of his actions have been questionable but hes overall ties with Korlash are making me wonder just how strong they were pre-game wise.

4. 409 was saying that the role claimed was bogus: not because of the flavor but rather because of the aforementioned kills paradox. 428 said that the flavor is not a reason to dismiss a claim, but said nothing about dismissing a claim based on the role itself.

5. 451 was in the time frame of 463, when the kills paradox had slipped my mind. I linked to "Refuge in Audacity" because I thought I was voting ZEEnon, and, as I stated clearly IN 463, "Seraphim, as I meant with 451, has claimed a role so unbelievable that I actually am in favor of believing it." This, of course, changed in 468 when I did my reread of my posts and saw why I was voting who I was.

[Gorrad]

Did you think we would lynch you regardless of your role? How powerful did you think your claim would be? Why did you almost give up when you had this claim in store, if it was truthful?

Yeah, this is what makes me still edgy about Xtoxm too. Still. His role, if correct, is...

Wow.

Something just occured to me. I've got it! Now it makes sense.

A Mafia enabler! Does the opposite of what Korlash does, with the same rolename. Instead of enabling positive effects, he enables negative. That explains the role name, the nervousness regarding claiming, and the scummy behavior!

Unvote, Vote: Xtoxm

. ZEE can wait. Gods, I can't believe I fell into the trap of linking role and allignment. That's usually the second thing I warn people against in a game (the first being against Jester discussion).

[Gorrad]

What were you thinking with your first vote on Gorrad?

I just found him scummy. Can't remember exact thoughts. I also don't like him..He knows why.

Dude, are you STILL sore about me replacing you in DN Mafia after repeated rule violations? Get over it.

[Gorrad]

Now,

Gorrad-related stuff

:

1. Frankly, I don't see how the logic there is the same at all. For one thing, Seraphim has an obvious strong bias. Secondly, I, unlike Seraphim, posted reasons why ZEE was more likely. You can't say we have the same logic when Seraphim doesn't post logic. And yes, I still feel the same way about ZEE. In fact, Xtoxm's claim's satisfied me enough for now, Unvote, Vote: ZEEnon.

Here's the logic: "Seraphim is pretty scummy! However, ZEE is

even more

scummy! Therefore, let's vote ZEE and not Seraphim." It acknowledges that Seraphim is scummy but you want to bypass him for a "more scummy" candidate. I use quotation marks because I find that opinion to be incredibly suspect. But, you both used it. That's how. Bias doesn't come into play in determining the fact that the two of you used the exact same logic.

What were your posted reasons as to why ZEE was more likely? I didn't catch anything substantial on my read through yesterday.
Do you really think two scumbags made the exact same mistake?

2. I found ZEE's original transgression worse than Seraphim's. I found him scummier. However, the kills paradox, aka the reason I was voting Seraphim, slipped my mind in 463, hence why I thought I was voting ZEEnon. When I realized that I wasn't, I looked through my post history and remembered why my vote was where it was.

So you don't think the timing of this "slip of the mind" wasn't terribly convenient/bad timing (from whatever perspective you want to look at it)?

3. 384 is a response to 383

Alright, that's what I thought. But I can't understand why you're making it in response to 383. I think we're interpreting Phily's statement different, so please explain to me what it meant to you.

I see the difference in your issue with the claim itself and the mechanics of the claim in 4. I think 5 hinges upon you just so happening to forget the incredibly legitimate reasons to vote Seraphim when his wagon was starting to tremble and waver.

Re: 1.

AWESOME! 'doctor' save! (most likely, no idea why mafia would NK)
well the doctor now knows a (potential) clear, which is good.

Alright. Day 2, dead SK, no NKs. We got lucky. Time to start hunting scum.

ZEEnon: "Hey, let's try and get the doctor to claim his target so my buddies and I can NK him tonight and the person we targetted the night after."
Seraphim: "Whatever happened, it was a stroke of good luck for town. Let's not go into it, but rather start scumhunting."

Both have the commentary on night happenings tell, but you can see the differences I saw as stated above. And yeah, it's totally possible that two scum did the same mistake.

Re: 2. It was bad timing. Slips of the mind rarely have GOOD timing.

Re: 3. To me, Philly was commenting on how well Korlash and I get along and were working together (plus things like my reacting to his being insulted) and wondered if that connection was due to previous games or to pre-game talk. I linked the list of games in which Korlash and I have both participated in order to show that the former was true.

Re: Xtoxm's role: The way I see it, it's like Korlash's Spirit Enabler ability in that each role has some special change it undergoes when targetted. For scum, however, the change is negative (ie. a roleblock, role change, vote removal, target change, perhaps even recruitment).

[Gorrad]

Role Claim Coming Soon
Too tired today .

So you need time to make one up? It takes like 2 minutes to give a full claim, 3 if you're an advent breadcrumber, and 5 if you forgot where your breadcrumbs were.

I really hate when people post stuff like this... I mean regardless of oru alignment it would have been better for you to just not post anything... *sigh*

QFT.

[Gorrad]

1) Nurse is an infamous fakeclaim for scum

2) He admitted to looking up his role on wikipedia (very much a scumtell imho)

3) He could easily have been setting himself up, hoping that Seraphim was town and that by getting the softclaim of a role linked to Seraphim done early, that Seraphim would semi-confirm him by his death. AKA what I said about Matsude, with one person being there as a townie and the rest being fakeclaims, could just as easily have him using one of the fakeclaims like Seraphim was.

[Gorrad]

3) He could easily have been setting himself up, hoping that Seraphim was town and that by getting the softclaim of a role linked to Seraphim done early, that Seraphim would semi-confirm him by his death.

Right, this makes no sense. If ZEE was scum then he would know Seraphim was scum and wouldn't be hoping for jack. Care to modify your point?

Multiple scumgroups. Still haven't given up the possibility, what with the hollow cop.

[Gorrad]

Korlash, what do you mean for your plan? Claiming when you targetted me? I didn't get any latent abilities activated. I don't think you're lying, but I didn't.

I am also going to make this very clear. Our claimed Nurse has claimed to protect me on Night One, the night we did not have nightkill. Unless you think mafia no-killed or something else prevented a nightkill, then in all likelihood the mafia tried to kill me on Night One. For those who do not think there are three scum groups, this means I’m not scum. This comment is mostly made with an eye towards Albert B. Rampage, since he seems to be the only one who has not gotten this through his head.

Your own claimed role directly contradicts this paragraph.

Unvote, Vote: GLaDOS

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[Gorrad]

I'm Rukia



I can use Six Rods Prison of Light to Jailkeep one person a night. I targetted Philly N1, Korlash N2. My role PM mentions, and I can't quote of course, that there's more to me than meets the eye.

[Gorrad]

EBWOP: ZEEnon N2. Not Korlash.

[Gorrad]

To be fair, we have no idea what the spirit enablers DO, and one of you/ZEEnon is probably fakeclaiming. Plus, Seraphim was a role redirector, which is amazingly powerful in the hands of the mafia.

[Gorrad]

Question 1: On mafiascum, does a person know if they are jailed?
Question 2: Is the targetted player allowed to preform their night action?
(Questions are directly at anyone willing to answer)

It is not told to them, and no. It basically protects and RBs them.

I targetted Philly due to a gut feeling at the time, and ZEE because I thought that he was the most scummy. I tend to use Jailkeeper roles primarily as blockers rather than protectors.

[Gorrad]

I figured I was the cause, but as I didn't know if he had been targetted or targeting I didn't think it wise to bring it up. When I saw ZEEnon, his scummy post made me content to go after him than a player which could go either way for me (considering my suspicion was pure gut).

[Gorrad]

Ok, time for restating what I've already said!

I JK'd Phily due to gut. Only gut. When, as soon as day started, two people came on the scene doing one of the scumtells I put the most stock in I decided that my 50% chance could wait and that it would be better for me to hold off on a claim and attack those that I thought scummy rather than rely on night actions. I expected to use my action as a trump card to foil a later claim, though obviously that didn't happen.

My flavor is basically my name, a few sentences that summarize who I am, and my power.

[Gorrad]

PhilyEc, I have a really bad gut feeling about, but I can't find specific examples of why when I go through the posts. I've learned that my gut's usually a pretty good detector, but going through I can't find anything I can quote. I'd vote on a deadline, but I'm much more comfortable on a ZEE or Seraphim lynch.

Albert seems to have generally the same feelings as I do on people, though not always, and his brand of one-liners fall in par with what I recall him doing previously as town. I'd give him about 75% townie odds.

That was my idea of attacking both. I tend to tunnel-vision a bit, I'm man enough to admit it. And just because I use it as an RB doesn't mean I fool myself into thinking that's all it's for.

[Gorrad]

We're outguessing the mod again...

I don't claim to understand my role. Yeah, Rukia was powerless then. I know this, I've seen the series. I have no clue why I got what I did. Nonetheless, I got what I got. I'm sure it made sense to OGML.

[Gorrad]

I have no defense. I did not write the setup. I cannot tell you why I have the role I do. Lynch me if you want, but get ZEEnon tomorrow.

[Gorrad]

Xtoxm, ZEEnon, GLaDOS...they're all scummy.

[Gorrad]

Good game, everyone! Korlash, ABR, it was truely a pleasure playing with you both again. GC and Seraphim, you have both earned my respect as scummates. This was a game well played by all.

[Gorrad]

Phily was in the middle enough to not get lynched or protected.

[Gorrad]

I daresay the game I'm running is.

How about Lupin III Mafia? That would be BA.

[Gorrad]

I'm IN Cowboy Bebop Mafia right now.