Mini 760 - Bleach Mafia: Karakura Town - Game Over!

[Xtoxm]

The Zwet wagon looks like a scum excuse to lynch a townie based on playstyle.

My favourite is Hitsugaya

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Dude, i've only just replaced in. And I replaced into another game before the opeing arose in this one, so i've got them both to catch up on.

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That boy needs to grow up.

If it looks like scum, smells like scum and plays like scum, its probably scum.

Either that or you have percepted poorly...

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No, but I don't find him scummy, and i'm not liking the manner in which he's being attacked.

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It's playstyle. Same as why i'm mislynched most the time. And you'll probably speedlynch him in a couple days...

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I would much rather lynch ABR, but whatever, nothing's gonna change.

Vote Zwet

Sorry man.

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I was right about Zwet. He wasn't scum, just because he turned out to be anti-town doesn't change anything.

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Vote Gorrad

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A threat like that isn't going to work GC. And I am engaged and i'm not below the activity level either.

What do you mean asking me about ABR's play? Are you asking me to comment on his playstyle? It seemed kinda a pointless question.

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Unvote Vote Seraphim

He stalls and then doesn't claim. If he was town he wouldn't need time to think, he just had to claim.

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FoS: Xtoxm

Oh, were we waiting for my claim? I have no problem claiming right this instant. I thought I was defending my case, which seemed to be the feeling I was getting. If I just had to claim, I would have done so a long time ago. Please note that this vote reeks like hell when I flip town.

I am

Kon

and have the ability to "hide" with another player rendering me untargetable for kills that night. However, if the player I am hiding behind is targeted for a kill, I also die.

I targeted Gorrad on Night 1.

Unvote

Please expand.

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Your questions are retarded. But whatever.

1. You originally wanted to vote Albert, but never mentioned the reasons as to why.

This isn't even a question.

2. Within the same post of wanting to vote Albert, you hammer wasser. Why?

As I quite clearly stated in that very same post:

whatever, nothing's gonna change

You have been adamant about "scummy play style shouldn't be vote worthy."

Nice misrep. I never called my, Zwet, or Albert, or anyones playstyle scummy.

You were happy to discuss/excuse wasser's play style, your play style... but not Albert's?

Nice misrep. Had nothing to do with playstyle.

Why the exception?

No exception.

Do you find Albert's play style suspicious/scummy?

No.

Would you bracket him together with you/wasser in order to support your argument "consistently scummy play style does not a scum make?"

Nonsensical question. Also invloves a misrep.

I don't think your questions were even aimed at me, I think they were an attempt to put me in a bad light.

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Could you give more detail on your PM

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Vote Gorrad

Phil appeared to have a guilty.

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Hi GC.

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Whatever just lynch me

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It won't save me and making it public helps scum more than town.

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You can have my character, i'm Don Kanonji. I'm not saying any more than that. If you want to lynch me I can't stop you.

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Don always had good intentions, town is the only thing he could be.

Stop trying to out wifom the mod.

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... Processing ...

I want a full-claim from Xtoxm. To this day, I have never seen somebody in a position where they are about to be lynched who was better off not claiming their role, especially this early in a game.

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I am perfectly fine with posts like the one Mastin just posted. Seeing a thought-process can be more helpful than seeing the product sometimes.

However, please stop speculating what roles you think people might have (such as your Mason group speculation). This definitely seems to be a bad habit of yours in this game. If people drop tells/hints for their roles, it is because they

do not

want them pointed out – and chances are they know more about when information is relevant to point out more than you do. If you finding completely

inconsistent

tells then that could be different, as there you may be dealing with somebody trying to set up multiple avenues for fake-claims. Just be sure to use judgment.

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I have not yet seen a real reason to suspect Korlash of being scum. I would appreciate seeing some reasoning, or being pointed to reasoning.

I have explicitly stated I am not claiming. This is a likely scum setting up the "if you're not going to claim then i'm going to vote you".

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And seriously, calling me Jester is beyond old. Every fucking game. Find something new.

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Mastin, Zee, GC..And prob Jebus and Abr town.

Korlash is acting wierd but there's a role I think he might be.

Gor, Dos my current picks.

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Her last post looks like a pre-emptive excuse. Overall her play doesn't strike me as town, either.

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I looked at Phil again, he prob didn't have a guilty but Gor still looks like scum.

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That last bit of it might be onto something.

Not scum, but hows it defend me?

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Abr, if you have meta/behavioral on me, do it better. If you think you have role info on me, it can't possibly be accurate.

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I hadn't really thought about the redirector, but I think the chances of him targetting Phil are pretty low. He took a lot of heat D1. And it's natural to try and figure out a cops results if he dies.

I'm gonna ask the mod a question bout redirection too. Prob get a stupid can't tell you that again though...

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Spirit Enabler

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Sigh..

Well, I bring out someone's latent abilities, if they have any. My targets both have given no idication that they got anything.

Atleast redirector is dead, alive claimed with that around scum could make themselves very powerful.

I've been interested to know if latent abilities are public knowledge. Is anyone aware that they have a latent ability? I suspect not.

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It's possible. I mean, if I just described you're role perfectly, do you really think that's a fluke?

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No opinions GC? I saw you browsing...

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It's possible. I mean, if I just described you're role perfectly, do you really think that's a fluke?

You didn't even come close to describing it 'perfectly.' Granted though if our two roles existed together mine is completely different from what yours would be.

What is your role?

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Now that is interesting.
It certainly could match up with my role.
It matches the character of Don Kanonji to say the least.
But your power is

extremely

dangerous.

Jibakurai first appeared as a Demi-Hollow that was chained at the hospital. Don Kanonji accidentally transformed him by removing his Chain of Fate.

It is highly possible that you have

awaken

Jibakurai.
I'm pretty sure I understand what your role means,
but as to the fact that we have two of them, i'm unsure.

Well, obviously the scum will have latent abilities too. It would only if I targeted, or ended up targeting, a scum.

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No, it happens in the same night. I asked the mod specifically.

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And it works for that night only.

And there's no way the scum need the kill enabling. Possibly an extra kill, and RB, rolecop or something like that.

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I don't believe the claim.

I think that the mafia have a rolename cop. Such as here:

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=10541

Yeh I didn't expect you to.

K: Meant whole thing.

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Ability

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One night stand

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I bring out latent spiritual powers for the night.

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Mine is that I film myself with them in an attempt to boost my ratings.

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And it would make sense scum have atleast one major character for safeclaim, qiute possibly two.

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Could everyone who has something in their PM that suggests they might have a latent ability please say so now, so me and K know who we should be choosing to target from.

K: Do you think we should claim our targets so far?

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If you still think i'm scum then you have moved into idiocy...Rolecop is possible, that would tell me "Spirit Enabler". There is no way I can accurately say what that does with just that, it is not a standard role, and on the wiki an Enabler is nothing like this. The fact that K has the same role as good as confirms me.

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Whatever, i'm town

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Definately am.

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How sure were you of being lynched after the 3rd vote on you?

Certain

Did you think we would lynch you regardless of your role?

Yes. And claiming would only tell scum who potentially has info, either that or force them to claim. Well Phil is dead but the other one...

How powerful did you think your claim would be?

Not very. I expected it to sound made up. I didn't think there'd be another.

Why did you almost give up when you had this claim in store, if it was truthful?

I didn't think the claim would do anything for me.

What were you thinking with your first vote on Gorrad?

I just found him scummy. Can't remember exact thoughts. I also don't like him..He knows why.

Who do you want to see in endgame with you?

Is this meant to be loaded? I really don't see a point in answering this. It's not in my control.

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You are always a dick to me. You policy lynch me, and isnist that i'm an idiot.

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What, so town has a Cop, 2 Spirit Enablers, a Nurse, and a Jailkeep? Not buying it.

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A Jailkeep can be used as an RB, or a doctor, which is very powerful. I think one of you and Zee has to be lying. And given that we know SE's bring out people's power's, and there's 2 of them, it has to be a large part of the game.

So apart from Zee looking very pro-town, and Gorrad looking scummy, I think Gorrad's claim is far too powerful to fit in.

Oh, and Zee, I think your theory is BS btw.

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Perhaps if Zee is enabled, his protection becomes 100%?

Zee, anything in your PM suggest you may have a latent ability?

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What, so town has a Cop, 2 Spirit Enablers, a Nurse, and a Jailkeep? Not buying it.

What would you need to take out of that power role buffet in order for you to accept it as plausible?

I thought it sounded fair until Gorrad claimed. It's a Cop-Doc combo, but weakened, and Maf have a redirecter to sort it out.

It would have been nice having Phil's claim, to see if he got a full cop power as standard.

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No.

I can see it fitting, and the way he said "I am too btw" looked pro-town.

Role Helper?

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N1: Phil
N2: GC

My second post of today was me asking "Anything happen?" And his response told me "No", which fits with his claim of not (likely) having Latent Ability.

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Phil was the only person I had a town read on after D1, so easy choice.

If he had had something happen, it would have been enough. The way he responded with "Sup?" Told me he didn't know what I was on about.

Yeh, it's more subtle than literally asking, but I didn't want to claim. And GC is clever, I thought he would pick up if he had had something happen.

N2 I went for GC because he said "I think I know what he's looking for" When I was probing Sera. And he looked town, so I thought it was a good try. Phil had showed no inclination anything had happened, so I had already decided to find a new target.

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Look at Gorrad's action after N1. He deosn't even mention Phil. That is not the action of a JK after No Kill night. He would have thought he had either protected or blocked him, probably blocked, because he attacked Phil D1. If he was town he would have said something.

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BS.

You would not go the whole day without giving a hint as to what you did, when it could have been VERY important infomation. And apart from that, I find it VERY hard to believe town you would not think him as scum, and push for his lynch after that. The "scumtells" coming out of night are pathetic excuses. Gorrad is scum.

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Siigh. Can't you just claim? The scum obv will have fake-claims. I really don't care about order, let Abr go last if he wants.

I'm not really bothered about claims today, either. I think we have caught scum here, i'd be cool with waiting another day.

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Yes, I did Abr.

What you get, Abr?

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This means targetting either of you and Zee would have no further effect, I assume..?

That would leave Dos as the only one with a claim of latent ability.

I should target her tonight?

And K, you did nothing against Gorrad, you didn't even vote him.

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No, latent abilities are revealed on death.

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<3, K

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Don't think K is scum. Him being a mafia SE doesn't make sense, and I don't see him claiming like he did without the role. Also, he would have no need to claim his action failed if he was scum.

I could go with a Jebus or Glados lynch...

Vote Jebus

I will be targetting Glados tonight. Either she'll get something to help the town, or she'll have to make up a lie as sccum.

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Man, why did I have him as town?!

Sweet, though. Well done Glados.

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In terms of the setup, i'm not sure. I think town could have got pretty screwed with the mafia powers if the first days hadn't gone down how they had.

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GC, why didn't you block me? You knew I was gonna enable Glados.

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Lol, really?!

I hate alignment changes...

GC, if it's just bashing me, I couldn't care less.

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Ahh, you were joking

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Lol at the monologue.

Thanks, GC.

Glados had a choice between you and K...Rest of us were confirmed town. Miller had nothing to do with it. She made the right choice...I think Zee or Abr would have vigged K, and then you'd have won a 4-man lylo. (hypothetically)

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Also, I don't know why you thought I would lie about targetting Glados. She was the

only

one left that it could possibly have worked on, and like I said, townie would get something to hell town, scum would have to lie. There was nothing else worth doing.

Sorry about your alignment change, dude.

Did your role give you any inkling that might happen? Cos you totally led me on during the Sera lynch.

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Oh, my N1 target was Phil, btw.

I said it somewhere, a while ago.

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Pleased with how I played this game. All my targets were town (N4 doesn't count, but was still town) and got Gorrad-scum. Gratz to town for not lynching me as usual.

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It is a pretty strong hint if you know about the setup and mechanics. But yeh, it's not obvious. I can see it being discounted as flavour.

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And, what I actually thought with Zee, was that targetting either him or Abr would have done teh same, and a further target on either would have done nothing.

You'd claimed nothing would happen, K obv nothing would happen.

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Shame about it...You were doing well as town. And funny thing is, we'd have won a near perfect game if I hadn't targetted you.

You reacted better to the alignment change than I would have...I'd have just given up I think. Drawn Together, except with less posting. I don't think it's fair.

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Oh, and thanks for modding OGML. I enjoyed this game. With the knowledge of GC's role, I would say it does look decently balanced. However, I despise alignment change.