Big Brother Mafia - Town wins!

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Dang. I replace in and I'm under suspicion and nominated for eviction already.

I'll give the next hour or so to reading all 27 pages. Wish me luck.

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I'd like to get bv310's opiniions on everyone currently playing (and the people they replaced, if applicable)

Working on it, although the mild drunk I'm heading towards may lead to some spelling errors. (sorry, finals week and everybody's finished for a few days)

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^Same. 28 pages is a lot, and I suspected myself for a few pages before I remembered who I replaced :p

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Sorry about the delay, I have two finals tomorrow that I'm studying for. I went through the first 27 pages, keeping notes as I went.

If I had been playing this from the beginning, I would have gone with Sensfan/Ani as scumbuddies, with Sly as possibly on the opposing faction. Snow_Bunny seems to be actively lurking quite a bit, as are Siroginous and Saber.

These are Finch's questions:
Why should you be aloud to "live"?

Because having just replaced into this game, I feel like I will be able to help with the scumhunting by not having any connections to other players.

What will you do to help us catch mafia?

Post the way I always do: well thought out questions and active scumhunting

Will you be active?

Very much so. I'm still very interested to see why DisCode was nominated, given that he basically did nothing to draw any attention towards himself.


Incidentally, that is why I suspected him at first (until I saw I was replacing him). He seemed suspicious to me because he kept posting excuses for not contributing. I'm seeing now that this may just be because he was busy irl.

If you guys want, I can do a person-by-person read Sunday. I don't particularly want to, since it's a bit of a pain in the ass and I'd rather just start with a clean slate.

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I'm cool with taking responsibility for all 4 of DisCode's posts

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Yup. Neither of us really should be up here after everything, but I can understand wanting to move on.

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I'm back, Baby!

Also,

I am glad that Saber was banned.

QFT. Changing the course of games by possibly disregarding your win condition over an avatar bet is uncool to say the least.

Double agreed.

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Out of kmd/Sens :Sens. Kmd wasb't acting scumym and replacing out because of bad players is a bad move, and I sonsider it scummy.

Out of bv310/hewitt: bv310. Hewitt looked way more townie, and seemed more helpful overall.

Seeing as Sens and Hewitt are the same person, what is it that changed your mind from scum to town?

If I thought Llama would have been voted out over hewitt, he would have been nominated. Since I knew he wouldn't, I went with who he suggested be in power.

Why not nominate both of them? Putting up Sens for trying to flake and pouting doesn't make much sense.

Smells a little fishy to me with all the talk you had been doing about POV right before I got HoH. Did the POV burn your hand? It seemed you couldn't wait to get rid of it.

For someone who's so keen on pointing out thew tunneling in others, why are you so deadset on Paltry? (I don't see it as tunneling in this case, since you are at least raising mild concerns against others)

Yep. It is. But the main point of this is: What reason would I have for playing that way? I.E. Pretending I didn't have the PoV and then after you get HoH saying I have PoV. If you can answer this at any point, that'd be awesome.

I can see how playing that way could be advantageous. If you can draw out a falseclaim or even a hint at one, like Saber seemed to be implying, then you could save it and pass it on, OR use it in order to make a case against the person, as you are doing now.


I'm going to make an effort towards keeping the meta to a minimum between me/DisCode, and me/Saber, just to keep the game fair, but I can tell you that the reason I picked Hewitt for HoH is for the same reasons that have been said above: He is the most pro-town and scumhunting player in this game so far.

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Also, I changed avatars, in case you guys are being confused at all.

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Ok. The way I read it before was that you wanted to get rid of Sens and put up KMD as a "worst-case" lynch. I didn't get that same feeling about Llama as you though. I think he would have gotten the evict over Hewitt.

Out of kmd/Sens :Sens. Kmd wasb't acting scumym and replacing out because of bad players is a bad move, and I sonsider it scummy.

Out of bv310/hewitt: bv310. Hewitt looked way more townie, and seemed more helpful overall.

Seeing as Sens and Hewitt are the same person, what is it that changed your mind from scum to town?

You didn't do much for any reason. hewitt seemed to actually help.

I didn't mean between me and Hewitt, I meant what changed your mind about his (Hewitt's) alignment, when you said that you found Sens scummy?

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^Significantly easier for me, if that makes you feel any better.

Also, I'd really like Sironigous to come back in here. I haven't seen a good post from him/her in ages.

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Oh, Snow/Sly, if you want suggestions for the next HoH, you can't go wrong with bv310.

Out of curiosity, why me? I haven't posted a whole heck of a lot since re-replacing in. (Which I am trying to rectify. RL has been limiting my access lately)

Between the two, it comes down to a choice between evicting a lurker, or the most active player in the game. To be totally honest, I think they're both scum, so either is a good choice.

Sly has been acting suspicious since Day 1, while Snow has not contributed whatsoever. Snow's only posts have been regurgitating other's opinions, and even then only when pressured.

I'm going to hold onto my vote for a bit, just to see what they have to say for themselves.

@Mod: When is the deadline?

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Oh, Snow/Sly, if you want suggestions for the next HoH, you can't go wrong with bv310.

Out of curiosity, why me? I haven't posted a whole heck of a lot since re-replacing in. (Which I am trying to rectify. RL has been limiting my access lately)

So we can see who you nominate.

Fairo.

Snow, that is the single weakest argument I've ever seen. One of the two of you is scum, maybe both. I don't think we got two from the same faction, though. They'd be finger-pointing worse.

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Since I don't know how good my access is going to be over the next few days,

VOTE: Sly

Scummy behaviour, tunnelling, and overall feel. His offensive behaviour is not helping either.

I'm still extremely suspicious of Snow, owing to her lack of posting until nommed, lack of any real content, and general defensive stance.

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Yeah, but they are the scum who would vote for someone they know isn't scum, and use the reasoning that they have the most votes.

I'm not a fan of Sir's vote there. If he wanted to put Sly at L-1, he should have left it after I voted and not voted at all. I didn't realize that I was putting him at L-1 though. Hammering him like that is just robbing us of a LOT of potential conversation.

Ah well, que sera sera. Let's see which faction Sly was on.

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Snow seemed pretty null to me before, but the genuine lack of defense when nominated has put her into scummy. She knew that Sly was acting scummy, and so she just left him to dig his own grave. The only reason my vote went to Sly and not Snow was the fact that I've been suspicious of Sly's general play so far.

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^You spend too much time on here.

Also, Ani, I'd like to see your reasoning on Crazy, to see if it matches up with my suspicions. I can't tell if I'm actually seeing something or just tunneling.

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VOTE: Snow_Bunny
VOTE: Animorpherv1

Snow seemed like the lesser of two evils yesterday, but today she's top of my scum list, for the same reasons as before.

Ani is second on my list of suspicion. His posts so far have been extremely short. He seems to echo the common suspicions, and really does not help much, except for the Sly vote yesterday

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I'd rather evict chenbots first, since there down one already.

This right here bothers me. Why would we want to eliminate one scum team over another? If we bring the Producers down one member as well, then we weaken the overall position of the scum.

Say, for example, we evict Snow today and she flips Chenbot. Unless Chenbot 3 does something very obvious to draw attention to himself, then we have almost nothing to go on. We basically have a 50/50 shot with each nom to finish them. If we miss on Day 4, then succeed on Day 5, then we're at 5-3 against the Producers. If we eliminate a Producer today, then we go to 6-2-2, which works out to 8-2 against either scum team. We shouldn't be limiting our hunting to one group.

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I was going to say something like that. What exactly do you expect to win by lynching me? I know I'm town, and thus my flip would bring nothing good to town. One less townie, and not much info.

A Llama lynch, in the other hand, would bring more useful information, and we might as well get rid of a scum that is making a good job to look townie.

On the contrary, you flipping town would draw suspicion on everyone who bandwagoned you. I Still don't see it happening, but either way works out on the positive.

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Sly's noms, I didn't like because I had a town read on one and a PM from the Mod telling me that the other was town.

Care to explain what you mean by this? How did you get mod confirmation on someone's alignment?

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Sly's noms, I didn't like because I had a town read on one and a PM from the Mod telling me that the other was town.

Care to explain what you mean by this? How did you get mod confirmation on someone's alignment?

Right before the game started, I got a Role PM. It told me I was town.

I can tell you why the mod told him. The other was Kmd. Kmd is claiming he got a town pm.

***DING DING DING***

Ohhhhhhhhhh. Now I get it.

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Interesting noms. I'm somewhat disappointed that ani's not up there, and fully disappointed that Snow's safe, but Crazy/PE is going to have good discussion at least.

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Here's a scenario for you. What if today we evict Paltry (which is basically a given at this point, seeing as Crazy really hasn't drawn attention to himself) and he flips either Scum A or B. If he passes HoH to another Scum, then that scum will put up two townies (or one scum, one townie) Would it not be more advantageous to have the ability to override those decisions, rather than remove it from the game completely?

Also, why are we even having this discussion this early? This should be a twilight discussion at best. Right now, all this is doing is taking attention away from the task at hand: Evicting eitther Crazy or PE. If you haven't voted already, I'd like to see a case on either of the two from you.

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(OOC: Also, sorry about my lack of posting over the last two days. Try7ing to pack to fly back to university is becoming a giant pain in my ass)

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I'm not overly convinced with the case on either of the noms, but of the two I find Crazy more suspicious. He's been really defensive whenever someone hasa mentioned him, and his explanation really has not been convincing.

I like llama's idea of getting their reads, but I'd prefer a general read, as well as specifics. I'd like to see who they see as scummy, and who they see as specifically chenbots.

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To make sure I understand you Paltry, your case against me is that I don't post much, right?

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Nevermind, I see that's exactly it. I think you're missing a few people there, Paltry. I wouldn't mind getting your reads on everyone else.

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To make sure I understand you Paltry, your case against me is that I don't post much, right?

My case against you deals more with I don't see you scumhunting, and your inactivity compounds the fact you don't seem to need to. It's not a strong case, I'll admit, but you don't really give much to work with at all, and that scares me.
And more people are coming. (I guess I'm posting in twos, but it's definitely alphabetical order, and not of scumminess.)

Ok, sorry about that. Didn't look at timing of your posts.

As for my lack of posting, the last three weeks have been weird for me access-wise. I didn't want to give excuses though, so I didn't say anything. Other than that, I haven't really seen anything to go on that hasn't already been said. This is only my third Mafia game so I don't know what to look for. I know this sounds like an excuse, but I want to be straightforward here.

Also also, I thought you said you were going most scummy to least scummy, not alphabetical.

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Let's see if Sir finds this replacement scummy too. :p

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Crazy and Paltry (although I already think I know what Paltry's going to say), if you get tapped as HoH tomorrow, who would you nominate?

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@bv310: I already answered that question. More importantly, you seemed to have preconceived notions of who I would nominate. Who were they?

I would have guessed KMD and Snow, based on your attititudes towards them. I didn't see your answer before.

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To be totally honest, I don't think either of you are particularly scummy atm, but I probably wont be on tomorrow, so

VOTE: Paltry

Crazy's posts so far have been less swayed, and I think he could be useful to town more than Paltry (who so far has never astounded me)

I'd vote no lynch if I could. I don't like either of these noms. Paltry seemed more suspicious earlier, but he's moved up in my list, although Crazy's still ahead.

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Crazy, I was flipflopping between the two of you for all of this day. Neither of you did anything all that suspicious. I only voted to avoid getting modkilled.

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Crazy, I was flipflopping between the two of you for all of this day. Neither of you did anything all that suspicious. I only voted to avoid getting modkilled.

Interesting. If you would have had Kast's coup, would you have used it, then? Why or why not?

Absolutely I would have. I would have put up Sir and Ani. (or just Ani if I had the POV). Saving it when the most scummy players are still up doesn't help anybody.

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Crazy, I was flipflopping between the two of you for all of this day. Neither of you did anything all that suspicious. I only voted to avoid getting modkilled.

Interesting. If you would have had Kast's coup, would you have used it, then? Why or why not?

Absolutely I would have. I would have put up Sir and Ani. (or just Ani if I had the POV). Saving it when the most scummy players are still up doesn't help anybody.

Except that Sir is dead.

He asked if I would have used POV before the lynch to remove Paltry and Crazy. I said I would to put up you and Sir.

Incidentally, I

Vote: Ani and KMD

KMD put up two of my better town reads (although the argument against Paltry seemed really good at the time, on ISO reading, it's really quite weak.

Ani has seemed suspicious to me before, for general play.

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Post 1336, Page 54.

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Yeah. He asked me if I would have used the coup on that day to remove the two of them, and I said I would.

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Quite a bit actually, but only because of the whole Sens thing before. He seemed to be actively trying to eliminate Hewitt while simultaneously calling Sens flaky.

Snow hasn't fallen off whatsoever, but KMD moved way up with those noms yesterday.

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who's higher in your mind, kmd or ani?

I'm not sure. Ani has been suspicious to me for a while, but of the two noms KMD put up, neither of them were agreeable.

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bv - what other things aside from kmd's nominees have bothered you. Also what do you think of the situation that lead up to kmd choosing those noms. He was thinking of doing ani/snow before he chose craz/paltry. why do you think he didn't do it and do you think his decision of eventually going with crazy/paltry matches up with kmd's previous suspicions?

Aside from his nominees, not alot is really going against him. He was giving me a null tell before, just because of relative inactivity, but those noms just don't add up. Before his noms, I would have expected maybe Paltry/Snow. He was quite focused on Paltry.

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Crap, I know I don't believe in ani's logic, but it kinda seems that he has thought it out for himself. Proving that ani's logic is wrong doesn't mean anything, unfortunately.

I'm probably going to end up nominating ani/bv anyway

(bv gets the nom just for asking a question that was already asked further up the page),

but nobody is obvscum for me, anymore.

Where was this?

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Best of luck, Ani. Just please don't put KMD back as HoH.

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Really Ani, you're resorting to blackmail? I thought you were better than that.

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8 voters. 4 votes in. with a likely tiebreak going that way.

I have to look at stuff to figure out how to respond, but my life has gotten very hectic lately so I don't have time to give a good read yet. I can probably give superficial memory thoughts if you guys care for it, but might be until tomorrow til I can give this game dedicated attention.

Technically 6 votes in, since me and Ani don't get any votes. All that's left is you and Llama.

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Well, at least now we can find out which scumteam he's on, and who he picked as HoH.

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Nom Hewitt
Nom Snow

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Responding to prod. I think Llama vs. Snow would be pretty good, although my vote is prettty much a given.

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I'm still not convinced on either nom. Pablito was a strong town read before, but he's moved towards scummy, while Llama did the exact opposite. I have the feeling right now that neither is scum.

@MOD: When is our deadline?

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@Pablito, my feelings on you really haven't changed. You were a strong town read, but the later the game goes, I always find myself doubting the people I initially trusted. I'm really happy you used the PoV. I'd like to see either Snow or KMD up there.

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*Facepalm* I thought someone else was. My bad.

Crazy, eh? Interesting choice.

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Welp, I reread the last few pages. I don't like either of the noms, but Llama is slightly higher than Crazy. I'm not going to hammer just yet, since I'm hoping to let the discussion go a bit longer.

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Is anyone else having wicked posting issues in here?

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Seeing as it's currently 2:58 here, I'm going to

VOTE: Llama

He's the most scummy of the two, but not by much.

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3:00 pm PST. I panicked for nothing. Still got an hour and a half

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Wowzers. Figured Llama for a floater, not producer #2. Go team.

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That was a pretty quick 3.

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@bv - do you feel that saberwolf's play in this game has influenced your gameplay here?

Also explain this quote back when it was snow vs sly

Yeah, but they are the scum who would vote for someone they know isn't scum, and use the reasoning that they have the most votes.

I'm not a fan of Sir's vote there. If he wanted to put Sly at L-1, he should have left it after I voted and not voted at all. I didn't realize that I was putting him at L-1 though.

Hammering him like that is just robbing us of a LOT of potential conversation.

Ah well, que sera sera. Let's see which faction Sly was on.

Looking back on it, would you have said the same things? Particularly the bolded section.

Yep. I still feel the same way. I think it's entirely possible we could have had a good idea on bussing and distancing if Sly had been left alive a bit longer. I don't think it killed conversation nearly as much as I expected, but it's still a loss.

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Hewitt, you're aware that YOU replaced SensFan, right? You basically just admitted to being scum.

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Note to self: next time, append :p to joke posts.

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It's just like Day 1 again. :

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Well played, Hewitt. You had me fooled since Day 1.

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Have fun! Who's our backup?

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You know, it's not very polite to talk about people who aren't here.

In this case, I think I'm going to hold off until a bit closer to deadline. I like Pablito's judgment so far, even though I didn't agree with some of his decisions earlier, but I think it's better to wait a bit before voting.

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So I just lost my entire iso-post, but while I work up the energy to try it again, this was my list (from towniest to scummiest)

Pabs
KMD
Crazy
Kast

I'm willing to listen to any arguments before I vote though. Also, I'm on LA this week due to prep for a camping trip. I should be on at least once a day though.

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It's not just me not voting is it? We also need Crazy's vote.

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Dammit. Been prepping for a camping trip so I missed the deadline. Ah well, my vote would have gone on Kast anyway. Go team!