All Greek To Me - Over

[Kappa]

vote: omicron

for being a greek letter I didn't know.

[Kappa]

unvote, vote: Omega AGTM

For having an avatar that isn't omega and for voting me.

[Kappa]

It doesn't look superior to any other watch, so how is it omega?

I think we've got caught scum here, folks.

[Kappa]

unvote, vote Kappa

obvious OMGUS vote against omega!

Obv attempt at chainsaw.

Two scum caught in the RVS.

What do you say to that?

[Kappa]

Well, a scum

would

know their partners.

Why you tryin' to bus me, foo?

[Kappa]

Rho brings up a good point there.

[Kappa]

Lambda's got the right idea.

Go Omega Wagon!

[Kappa]

You've made the first even slightly scummy thang.

I don't really consider my vote to b random anymore.

[Kappa]

Destination: Lynchville!

First stop: L-2!

[Kappa]

3 more votes to l-2!

All aboard! The train departs in 3 votes!

[Kappa]

I counted 8, but I'm too lazy to recount.

[Kappa]

I see the scum has devolved into jokes and non-serious posts in order to try and confuse the town.

Humorous but ineffective.

[Kappa]

You've shattered my plans, Kappa.

This post is proof.

1. Admits to being scum

2. Admits to a scum plan

[Kappa]

My vote turned serious when I said it did.

[Kappa]

I'll leave my vote for now.

I'm feeling like this:



between eta and omega

[Kappa]

Use a different web browser.

[Kappa]

I don't find it funny at all.

[Kappa]

How do you confuse rho and kappa?

Did you just look at the colors or something?

[Kappa]

Now that you realize you mixed up both myself and rho, do you intend to change your vote, or do you not see anything vote-worthy yet?

[Kappa]

Rho, he mixed up your lol post as by me in combination with the following post by me:

[quote="I"]I don't find it funny at all. [/quote[

[Kappa]

Fail quote is fail.

[Kappa]

Transfer means vote switch.

Here is an example.

unvote, vote: eta

[Kappa]

Zeta thought

I

said lol and that I also said "I don't find it funny at all," which would be a contradiction as well as the reason Zeta voted me.

It has virtually nothing to do with you except Zeta mixed up your post as being mine.

[Kappa]

As Rho said, you have to change your vote to another player in order to no longer be voting the player you are currently voting.

[Kappa]

Nah, I'm playing whatever style I'm playing.

It doesn't matter what people

usually

play as.

Focus on the game, not about playstyle, mmmkay?

[Kappa]

Sure, sure.

I'll get a picture of a Kappa, then.

[Kappa]

You assumed that, since I didn't state my reason, that I didn't have one?

[Kappa]

You made a random vote after it was over and later seem to attempt justification for it by saying you read the reactions to it (saying it was reaction hunting), and you, though you said you were going to read the thread, have not displayed any conclusions from your reading other than two specific people in your wagon are scummy.

Overall, I don't especially like your play so far comparatively to others, so you are where my vote is.

[Kappa]

And... what conclusions have you made after reading the thread?

[Kappa]

We need moar votes on the Eta wagon.
gogogogogogogogogogogo

[Kappa]

Kappa is even scummier, read in iso please, spends most of their first posts

pretending to joke around

I'll leave my vote for now.

I'm feeling like this:



between eta and omega

this 1 particularly scummy

Nah, I'm playing whatever style I'm playing.

It doesn't matter what people

usually

play as.

Focus on the game, not about playstyle, mmmkay?

also this

Kappa is obviously scum trying to play the role of aggressive town

Unvote
Vote: Kappa

For the bolded, what, exactly, is the difference between

pretending

to joke around and

actually

joking around, hmmm? If you can't articulate the differences you see between them, then you shouldn't be using that as a tell.

What exactly is scummy about saying I'm unsure btween the two wagons because I feel they are equally good?

Where did I show an aggressive tone, and what about it seems fabricated to you? Me saying I'll play however I play isn't a very aggressive tone, so using that as a quote to say I'm scum pretending to be aggressive town is just crap. Seriously.

Unvote Vote: Kappa

Hypocritical and all in favor of the biggest bandwagon.

FoS: Beta

Tau is right.

Where have I been hypocritical, hmmm? How is being "in favor of the biggest bandwagon" a scumtell? Both town and scum will be in favor of certain wagons.

Well, a scum

would

know their partners.

Why you tryin' to bus me, foo?

Kappa is scum. Accusing people to bus oneself is a mega scumtell.

unvote, vote: Kappa

So... jokes are scumtells. Gotcha. I'll make sure to not participate in the RVS for future games and call everybody that makes a joke scum.

Anyway, I believe Eta

should not

claim, atm. Mostly because I need to do some rereading to see if he's still my scummiest read.

[Kappa]

This isn't just any joke. This is the uncontrolled urge that scum have to tell on each other when distancing. I believe it. I believe that you two are distancing.

Lambda however, is town.

...

How reliable do you find the overused and oft-called upon tell that you are putting forth?

Do you also say whoever says, in a joking manner, "I'm scum!" to be scum?

How often have you found that town perform the tell you are talking about?

How many times have you used it or found it to be a working tell?

If you've used it 10 times and only been right twice, it's not likely to be a good tell.

If you haven't used it many times, but you've been right those few times you have, it's still not necessarily a good tell (too small a sample size).

[Kappa]

Lambda:

What were your

personal

reasons for voting Chi?

You didn't put any reasoning with your vote.

[Kappa]

Quick read says I don't like either the Chi or Rho wagon options, still need to look into omega wagon option.

There aren't enough posts by either chi or rho to get a good read on them.

[Kappa]

Reasoning is useful in convincing people.

[Kappa]

You are correct in your assumption.

Even if you were confirmed town by the mod, I'd still not follow you blindly.

[Kappa]

I love how Nu, who attacked me, completely ignored my defense(s) and didn't reply to them with his own rebuttals.

It really reinforces how confident he is about lynching me.

[Kappa]

I want to vote omega, but I'll hold off for the moment, as I feel that there are a few players that need to post more content, so I can get reads on them (my vote would be l-1, and I don't want to risk a hammer when there are some that have barely posted).

[Kappa]

Then I'm even happier I didn't vote!

[Kappa]

Lambda - unvote so there's not a premature hammer, plz.

[Kappa]

He quoted his role PM... is that even allowed?

Last I checked it was rulebreaking.

[Kappa]

THAT WAS RETARDED!

Do any of you know what census is?

[Kappa]

Well, he's already been lynched, so we have to hope for a modkill on that.

[Kappa]

I just use a different browser.

I go to IE for this account, I use firefox for the other.

[Kappa]

oh look we lynched somebody
<---- still not reading

Yeah, there's another one to put on the "people that should be force replaced" list.

Fixed.

No need to waste a vig on these types.

[Kappa]

Post content.

Continual lack of content means I will push for your lynch.

I believe you'll likely get lynched.

Good day.

[Kappa]

...

can we kill mu?

[Kappa]

Gaaaahhh...

I forgot about this game.

I'll read up.

[Kappa]

Selective vengeful townie would be somebody that could choose who to shoot upon being lynched, as far as I know.

Vengeful townie is where one shoots upon being lynched (I don't know/remember if this is shooting the person that hammered them only).

So selective would be targeting shot.

[Kappa]

Because I am deciding on who is scummier between a couple of people, perhaps?

[Kappa]

easy mislynch!lolol

How nice of you to claim.

vote: mu

[Kappa]

Because I don't want to seem like a hypocrite in having bothered others for giving reasons....

Mu case is as follows.

Mu has skated by two days without providing any content.

He's basically played "follow the tide and avoid doing a thing to be helpful."

His posts consist of "lololconfidfails," "tell me who we are lynching so I can follow you," "vote: xxx cuz everybody else is doing it," and "here's content [insert lame stuff that's repeating what others have said without providing anything of worth]."

Feel free to iso Mu for youselves in order to read all of his 11 posts.

[Kappa]

sweet case bro

Thanks.

[Kappa]

I like how Pi thinks mu is VI rather than scum.

[Kappa]

VI seems a piss poor way to excuse somebody like this.

Seriously.

[Kappa]

I'll get back to you guys later.
Currently busy.

[Kappa]

This post

You mean when he quoted a role PM that says he's a survivor?

Yah, I fell for it and thought census, ooo goody!

Sue me.

[Kappa]

I'm alive, but I keep forgetting about this game...

Probably due to the whole "it's in another browser and not in the watched topic list of your main account" business.

[Kappa]

words words words words words

Nice to see you are contributing to the discussion and scumhunting.

[Kappa]

Now that we are here, Beta, Psi, Alpha why are you voting Lambda? And more importantly, why are you not voting for Rho?

Kappa, Rho, Omicron, why are you voting for Mu? And more importantly, why are you not voting for Rho?

Why are you voting for Rho?

Why are you not voting for Mu?

Mu is obv scum.

[Kappa]

Eeehhhh... I don't like the thought of letting scum pass because they seemed like a VI... I'd prefer to get rid of VIs like lurkers - before lylo. I guess that's a matter of personal policy.

Anyway, I don't support the lambda wagon

unvote, vote: tau

I do support this one, though.

[Kappa]

vote: tau

what needs to be said?

[Kappa]

I've lied as a town-aligned PR, but the lie was about the details of my actual powers. Gambiting to get the scum not to kill you is fine

if you are a real PR

, but "trying to draw a kill" as VT is just retarded.

I've never claimed a PR as a townie. I never will.

[Kappa]

I have to agree with gamma here.

[Kappa]

What role is skitzo?

randomly blocks/inspects/kills an individual when they are targeted.

on IRC, at least.

[Kappa]

Sooo...

"he's prob SK cuz he's been active"

sums up your case against him?

Really?

That's a really bad vote, man.

[Kappa]

I have an inkling that Psi is scum.

Need to reread to make a case, though.

[Kappa]

Compare and Contrast

Again

Psi starts off going ETA WAGON GOOOOOOOOOOOOODDDDDDDDDD

and ends up, in the every next post, going ETA WAGON BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADDDDDD

The contrast is a bit extreme, imo. Moving on...

Somebody doesn't agree with me? FoS!!!! seems rather obv to me.

Contrast the above with piggy backing of psi's own.

Switches votes due to believing tau's claim slightly scummy.

Switches one day later and calls the wagons that psi was just on bad

Then switches back after calling it bad

Psi's been flip flopping so much that it's insane.

They've changed position from "OMFG AWESOME WAGON" to "TERRIBLE WAGON, NO GO" to "OMFG GOoD WAGON" within a small amount of posts and short span of time.

This shows a distinct lack of convictoin and more of a follow the common belief of who is scum viewpoint. Seems very scummy to me, though others may disagree here.

vote: psi

[Kappa]

You, on the other hand, have very consistently been making cases that distract from a lambda wagon every time one forms.

How would you say I should interpret that?

You, on the other hand, attack me when you consistently had me as a townish read. It just so happens to also be when I lay out a case against Psi.

How would you say I should interpret that?

[Kappa]

EBWOP-

nevermind, mixed up names.

[Kappa]

You, on the other hand, have very consistently been making cases that distract from a lambda wagon every time one forms.

How would you say I should interpret that?

Also, evidence is tech.

You have none.

Your case is fail.

[Kappa]

You, on the other hand, have very consistently been making cases that distract from a lambda wagon every time one forms.

How would you say I should interpret that?

You, on the other hand, attack me when I lay out a case against Psi when you have not even payed much attention to me or stated any kind of read of me in the past.

How would you say I should interpret that?

Fixed for greater accuracy.

[Kappa]

gahhhh... forgot the password to this account and was worried I was dead! @_@

[Kappa]

Just replace out already.

I second omicron's question.

I also don't wanna vote yet.

[Kappa]

vote: beta

opportunism lately as well as the continued attempt to lynch lambda without looking at anything else and attacking based off of lambda's unknown alignment to make others seem scummy (attacking others for not agreeing with the case), and reasoning for the upsilon vote is rather weak

[Kappa]

@theta, you can also read Mu, who is obvscum.

Just did. Scum or not, (s)he's rather useless.

Can we lynch Zeta too?

vote: Zeta

Reasoning is tech.

[Kappa]

BLATANT OMGUS VOTE

NOT RESPONDING TO MY CASE

how unsurprising.

[Kappa]

~initiated sober reading.

this thread is more fun drunk IMO.


I think we should consider massclaiming if we don't hit scum on our first lynch today, btw.

reasoning is, once again, tech.

[Kappa]

@theta, you can also read Mu, who is obvscum.

Just did. Scum or not, (s)he's rather useless.

Can we lynch Zeta too?

vote: Zeta

yes, it is double-day now and we can lynch both.

Supporting arguments not included, I see.

[Kappa]

Wow. Dead game is dead.

I get lost with all the names looking the same. Someone tell me who the scum is.

I like that I have a nice swirly avatar.

Fluff + not scumhunting =

vote: theta

[Kappa]

theta and Beta need to die. Pi is a decent choice too.

Hows abouts you stop being lazy and show the why of it?

Even if I agree with you, I'm not going to let you get by just off of other people's reasoning.

[Kappa]

Let's assume we can confirm town via the mass claim.

Who do you think will be dead after we end up lynching?

That's right, the

confirmed town

, which means that the town will be in a worse position than before if we mislynch.

Weigh the relative benefits and losses here.

Benefit of mass claim:

confirmed innocents for a single day, slightly higher chance of correct lynch

nearly impossible chance that scum out themselves via their claims

Losses of mass claim:

confirmed innocents die

scum have more information to aim their kills at power roles / etc, weakening the town further

Benefits of not claiming:

none of the losses happening

Loss of not claiming:

none of the benefits happening

To me, it seems smarter to go with no mass claim over a MC.

[Kappa]

Just a fyi...

Zeta recruited me N2.

He recruited Xi N1.

He did not communicate with me N3, though we had N2, which is probably related to his becoming SK.

Because I knew he was a recruiting mason, I thought he was confirmed town ('after all, we are confirmed due to being recruited into the mason group' was my thinking).

That's why I didn't attack him at all or get on the wagon.

[Kappa]

If you guys want, I can probably paraphrase my night time communications with Xi and zeta without punishment.

[Kappa]

Actually, I'll just do so.

Xi said he thought that psi and beta were scum.

Reasoning was that they believed tau when tau claimed.

oh, last time zeta communicated with me was on the 18th of february. he was wondering on who to recruit and said that upsilon was scummy.

In addition, his recruits are confirmed-town due to him getting asploded if he recruited scum.

[Kappa]

Also, one of the rules in the mason group (set in place by max) was that we were not allowed to talk about any night actions we may possibly have (if we didn't, we don't say so, if we did, we don't say so).

[Kappa]

I figured saying this now would be the most beneficial time, considering that you guys might quick lynch before I post (again ).

[Kappa]

And, since I may quite possibly die after this double day is over, I figure I should claim my role.

Anybody disagree with this?

[Kappa]

Is it possible Xi had an inveestigation on someone? (being a skitzo) I'll read his day 3 again, I guess.

When exactly did he say that, what night/day?

Xi only communicated with me on the 31st of January.

I don't have any information regarding his investigation if he had one.

[Kappa]

And, since I may quite possibly die after this double day is over, I figure I should claim my role.

Anybody disagree with this?

Is it helpful to claim it do you think? It's possible we have a protection role out there btw...

It probably won't give the town more information than it currently has, though it may depending on how you look at it. My role PM and any PM I may or may not have received from the mod later is/are rather... ambiguous on some things.

[Kappa]

Yeah, I know, you said he wouldn't be allowed claim if he did anyway, rit?

The mod forbid it.

We communicated through PM, not through a QT, though.

[Kappa]

Just a Q...

do you guys believe I could've made all of that information up on the spot?

I mean, I posted it all within a few minutes.

[Kappa]

so why is kappa claiming that? the mason recruiter is dead. the other mason is also dead. so there is no one that can confirm him. but it's day 5 now, and there are at least 3 days that the recruiter can recruit. if no other mason counterclaim, i will believe it then. but we should ask the mod whether the recruiter can recruit a scum first.

I claim it now specifically

because

nobody can confirm me. Since neither zeta nor Xi are alive to post the communications, I feel it is important that I spread the information to the town. Otherwise, the info may go unspoken and unheard.

However, zeta did hint at it if you look at his posts (his last few posts listed me as somebody he 'thought' was town), though I just noticed that, myself.

[Kappa]

I don't think Kappa is clear atm, but I do think he's a mason.

I'm feeling stubborn.

Tonight I shall make A TABLE. And see where that leads.

In other news: I think people should post top 3 candidates for scum. Day 5 you lot should have a good feel by now.

in no particular order...

theta

beta

psi

[Kappa]

I did not get a PM from max that anybody was recruited.

As far as I know, zeta did not recruit anybody N3.

N4 would obv not have anybody successful, since zeta would have been turned.

[Kappa]

N4 would obv not have anybody successful, since zeta would have been turned.

Not obv. It would depend on resolution order.

I'm also wondering why Xi didn't flip "Recruited Mason"

It'd be kinda awesome if some other people started talking.

because it is not his actual role.

amazing, I know.

[Kappa]

N4 would obv not have anybody successful, since zeta would have been turned.

Not obv. It would depend on resolution order.

I'm also wondering why Xi didn't flip "Recruited Mason"

It'd be kinda awesome if some other people started talking.

because it is not his actual role.

amazing, I know.

why did you know it?

know that he was a recruited mason?

because I was one too.

Amazing, I know.

[Kappa]

vote: Omicron

Only one of the four I've iso'd thus far, but certainly deserving. I'm working on the others so this may move. Kinda hoping Kappa turns out worse so I have an excuse to try and lynch somebody that would otherwise be almost confirmed town.

Fixed?

[Kappa]

Vote: Iota

'nuff said

[Kappa]

Well, there goes my chance to bus my buddy...

[Kappa]

Okay, I was V/LA for the past few days but didn't bother informing max / SC because I figured you guys would take forever to lynch and such.

I'm Kappa, and my super awesome elite pwnage power is to... measure the curvature of things... apparantly. My role PM generally says that I think that this power may one day be the key to save all of civilization (less dramatic, but I can't say verbatim, obviously).

On night 2, I was recruited by Zeta into a mason group. Zeta stated, when asked, that the entire mason group is confirmed town as Zeta would die if s/he attempted to recruit scum.

My communication with the rest of the mason group was rather limited, as I didn't really have anything in mind to discuss, and the PM method of communication made it slightly more unweildy than what I'm most used to (QT communication).

[Kappa]

Unfortunately, I am going to have to

request replacement for myself

.

At this point in time, I am having some issues in my personal life that would hinder or completely destroy any ability I'd have to be a part of this game.

[Kappa]

There was no reasoning given by the mod.

It detailed that I am sleeping and can't in any way be forced to leave the sleep state.

And that was essentially it, though it did mention iota.

I asked the mod if I could communicate with iota or some-such, but I could not, so the mention was most likely useless flavor rather than anything meaningful.

As far as I am aware, I was sleeping because somebody used an ability or because the mod decided to do it or because a walrus sneezed somewhere.

[Kappa]

Hi all. I'm the new Kappa. It looks like massclaim is underway and Kappa already claimed. Unless there are any immediate things I need to address, I'm going to try to do a read-through. If there is any summary or important posts I should read, that would be GREAT.

[Kappa]

Hey kappa.

Are you scum? No, go back and check your pm. Are you scum?

What do you think we're dealing with in terms of anti town bodies.

The Omega wagon d1 is interesting, and should be looked at. Day 2/3 was a clusterfuck of idiocy iirc, but there may be good info early day 3.

Also i'd like your opinions on who's scum and what you think is the amount of scum left.

Hey Gamma, not scum here.

I finally caught up and read the whole thread. The Shape Shifting SK bit was interesting, though it seems to have been resolved.

I'm hoping there is just 1+1 antitown left, although if that is the case, and alpha is to be believed, then there is a lack of night kills, no? Heck, any case that involves having 2 mafia factions left brings up that same lack of NKs. However, I believe someone mentioned the scum teams possibly killing on alternating nights - forgot who said that though. And the town RB (Lambda) died and said he was blocking Mu, who was just vanilla.

As for the remaining scum... my guess is iota and upsilon/alpha, though I'm not sure about alpha's roleclaim. I don't really see the reason for him to make up the stuff about investigating guilty, since the cop is already dead. It makes sense flavor-wise to me, but I have to think about the NK pattern some more.

Iota's sleep power and the timing of its use seems scummy to me.

I have the ability to basically take myself and one other player out of the game for a day/night cycle. I can give more flavor if asked, but for now I'd like to hear everyone's claims before we get to the details.

IIRC, I don't see anything that says the sleep took me/us out for the night part Please do give the flavor for your ability.

Upsilon needs to claim/be replaced/be modkilled.

[Kappa]

EBWOP to Fix my quotefail:

Hey kappa.

Are you scum? No, go back and check your pm. Are you scum?

What do you think we're dealing with in terms of anti town bodies.

The Omega wagon d1 is interesting, and should be looked at. Day 2/3 was a clusterfuck of idiocy iirc, but there may be good info early day 3.

Also i'd like your opinions on who's scum and what you think is the amount of scum left.

Hey Gamma, not scum here.

I finally caught up and read the whole thread. The Shape Shifting SK bit was interesting, though it seems to have been resolved.

I'm hoping there is just 1+1 antitown left, although if that is the case, and alpha is to be believed, then there is a lack of night kills, no? Heck, any case that involves having 2 mafia factions left brings up that same lack of NKs. However, I believe someone mentioned the scum teams possibly killing on alternating nights - forgot who said that though. And the town RB (Lambda) died and said he was blocking Mu, who was just vanilla.

As for the remaining scum... my guess is iota and upsilon/alpha, though I'm not sure about alpha's roleclaim. I don't really see the reason for him to make up the stuff about investigating guilty, since the cop is already dead. It makes sense flavor-wise to me, but I have to think about the NK pattern some more.

Iota's sleep power and the timing of its use seems scummy to me.

I have the ability to basically take myself and one other player out of the game for a day/night cycle. I can give more flavor if asked, but for now I'd like to hear everyone's claims before we get to the details.

IIRC, I don't see anything that says the sleep took me/us out for the night part Please do give the flavor for your ability.

Upsilon needs to claim/be replaced/be modkilled.

[Kappa]

And, since I may quite possibly die after this double day is over, I figure I should claim my role.

Anybody disagree with this?

Is it helpful to claim it do you think? It's possible we have a protection role out there btw...

It probably won't give the town more information than it currently has, though it may depending on how you look at it. My role PM and any PM I may or may not have received from the mod later is/are rather... ambiguous on some things.

can you explain this a bit more for me? wtf does your role do? are you basically a vanilla ya?

Yeah, I'm basically just a vanilla, although Kappa1 is correct that the role PM is very ambiguous, almost implying something extra. But no, I am a vanilla AFAIK.

[Kappa]

Just got back. Will resume modly duties tomorrow evening, then I'll consider a deadline.

alright, just to let you know I think we need an Upsilon. plz don't deadline us before that

[Kappa]

what's a "Standard Mafia Messenger" (Omicron's role)? Is that some kind of roleblocker? Or just a goon?

[Kappa]

doing an iso of Omicron to see if I can catch anything useful. Basically, I'm going to look at how he interacted with those of us remaining:

Upsilon

You're supposing he's just distancing on Lambda while trying to go after a Rho Mislynch than? (Your vote is on Lambda I believe)

vote Omicron

why is rho a mislynch?

He isn't. I'm behind his lynch as per my vote. I was asking if that was your opinion.

I think this is somewhat indicative that Omicron is not scum with Upsilon.

Waiting on some reasons as to why Upsilon was scummy other than inactivity.

Then never mentions him again. Still don't think they're scum together.

Iota

vote Iota

I don't see one Iota of a reason to think he's not scum.


Also I never knew that word came from a greek letter. The more you know!

RV - probably doesn't mean much by itself, though

^^^ everything about that post reeks of horrible horrible scum

This post without a vote is bad. FoS Iota. Vote if psi hadn't sold me on lamda.

Hmm, possible easy distancing. He is just echoing what someone else said.

@iota Why didn't you vote Nu yesterday when you made a post about how super scummy he was? I assumed you were scum buddies with him getting distancing in but since he flipped town, I'm not so sure. That post doesn't feel right though.

Repeating the same.

Concerningiota: Biggest scum tell on Iota to me, is that he made a post to the effect of "Nu you're so scummy what you just said, you're scum" without placing a vote. Aside from that, lately he's been pushing the Pi wagon, which I don't see the scum angle on continuing to push a wagon no one's interested in, could be he's too commited to let it drop without

that

seeming suspicious though.
It hurts iota that I still don't see the case on pi really.

Meh, he's not really going after Iota all that much is he?

Kappa

For what it's worth, I think kappa's the scum here. Joined the eta miswagon when it was getting steam, after solidly pushing an omega lynch, hopping off at the first oppertunity (getting early distancing in, not wanting actual lynch)

Honestly, his reasoning doesn't even make sense.

I still like Kappa for scum as my top suspect. I believe he's recruited mason, because why bother to lie about that and risk outing himself, but don't think that's cleared him personally.

Bull. If you believe my Mason claim, you should believe my alignment claim.

Gamma

@Theta/gamma

Stalling for what? As far as I know we're not about to be deadlined, so it's not like i'm hopping to scare people when they have limited time to think at deadline or something with a big claim.

Gamma pushed hard for the Omicron lynch, along with Pi. Don't think they're scum together.

Alpha

Alpha's distancing himself from my reveal, plain straight up ignoring the case on me, while going for a seemingly safe vote on mu. But really, we all know it's a vote that's not going to go through, he just wants his vote somewhere. It's why I refered to mu as my go to "unvote" guy much earlier in the game, since there's no unvote.

Kappa for the day 1 omega stuff from before.


those are my top 2 suspects.



Watch alpha hammer just to proove my first point wrong there

wtf does this even mean?! Both Iota and Alpha did not hammer Omicron when he was so obvscum (although Iota EVENTUALLY did). I don't really know why Kappa1 didn't do it. My guess is that he forgot about the game, as he did a few times. But not hammering Omicronscum is pretty scummy.

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If you look at Omicron's vote record, he never voted for scum. He did not vote for Omega. He only voted for townies (except Zeta, who was the SK). I mean, in the course of a game, scum often vote their buddies just to keep up the pretense, but Omicron ONLY voted for townies. This makes me think his RV on Iota to start the game means Iota is less likely to be his buddy.

So, people who are NOT Omicron's buddy, in decreasing order of likelihood: Gamma, Upsilon, Kappa, Iota, Alpha.

I think Alpha is most likely to be Omicron's buddy because he didn't hammer when he had the chance, and Omicron's distancing is really weaksauce. But really, he seems the best choice in the situation for Omicron's buddy.

[Kappa]

i believe iota's role, but not his alignment.

i'm a miller-vig. if i make a kill, investigation on me will give guilty. that's the alpha error which is the main flavor in my role pm.

i targetted lambda

night 2

, nu

night 4

, mu

night 6

, but only nu's kill go through.

upsilon should claim next.

hey alpha why did you choose to kill on only those nights?

[Kappa]

i really didn't see omicron as scum last night, and that's the reason why i didn't hammer it. and i forgot to say that i cannot make kills on consecutive nights. i didn't kill night 1 as i missed that night.

This seems more and more bogus every time you talk. An every-other-day vig-miller?? I'm not going to be the guy that let you win with such a crap fakeclaim. If it's 1 and 1 left then we obviously need a hit here, and you're an obvious one.

vote alpha

Also, your question to kappa looks like diversion. Even as scum wouldn't I claim the full role? It's not clear why

anyone

would make up an after-effect of a power that has already been used.

come on Iota, we're at possible LyLo and you put alpha at L-1 when we don't even have claims from Upsilon and Gamma yet.

How about we lynch Iota and alpha kills himself tonight?

to answer your question alpha, the messages COULD be in line with what Iota is claiming.

All I know is that I was out for the day, but I can't confirm whether I was protected for either or both nights. The former (confirmed) is kinda scummy IMO, but the latter (unconfirmed) would be protown.

At this point it looks like Upsilon is not around anymore. We need a replacement. Should we wait for his replacement to claim or just have Gamma claim next? I'm fine with it either way.

[Kappa]

How about we lynch Iota and alpha kills himself tonight?

Actually, thinking about it, it would lose for town, so scratch the idea.

[Kappa]

@kappa, check your pm about the sleep and see if it is consistent with this post, especially the time when you receive the pm.

Here is a basic time line of the events

Mar 16 - Omicron Lynched D6, start of N6 (post 1086)
Mar 20 - D7 starts, Mod says Kappa and Iota asleep (1088); I receive PM from mod telling me I'm asleep with Iota.
Mar 30 - Mu Lynched D7, start of N7 (1161)
Mar 31 - I get PM telling me I'm awake
Apr 03 - D8 starts, Mod says Kappa and Iota awake (1182)

So, actually it seems that Iota is lying about protecting me for 2 nights, since I got the awake message during N7...

Vote: Iota

[Kappa]

@kappa, check your pm about the sleep and see if it is consistent with this post, especially the time when you receive the pm.

Here is a basic time line of the events

Mar 16 - Omicron Lynched D6, start of N6 (post 1086)
Mar 20 - D7 starts, Mod says Kappa and Iota asleep (1088); I receive PM from mod telling me I'm asleep with Iota.
Mar 30 - Mu Lynched D7, start of N7 (1161)
Mar 31 - I get PM telling me I'm awake
Apr 03 - D8 starts, Mod says Kappa and Iota awake (1182)

So, actually it seems that Iota is lying about protecting me for 2 nights, since I got the awake message during N7...

Vote: Iota

Whoops, that last Apr 03 post# is 1162, not 1182.

[Kappa]

clearly it looks like Iota is making up the claim. First it said it took us out for a day/night cycle. Then it says it actually took us out for 2 nights, which I can say is not true.

Like Alpha said, there is good reason for scum to lie about the night part.

[Kappa]

iota, I know you're lying about your role due to the timing of the mod messages. You claim to night protect for 2 nights, but it's not true. I doubt you had any night protect effect all.

Upsilon, claim. You were already voting for alpha

[Kappa]

@kappa- your pushing this is annoying. My role is what I said it was. I also got an awake message (I can paraphrase that if you like), but assumed it was just a housekeeping issue for mod and that my actual role PM takes precedence. If you think I'm scum then fine. But to think that I'm lying about when we were asleep is crazy.

Of course we were asleep, but as far as I can tell, it was only during the day. I got the awake message during N7 so how could I have been asleep/protected that night, hmm? And as we've discussed, there is good reason to make up the night protection abilities if you're scum.

[Kappa]

also,

unvote, vote: Upsilon

until it claims. Hopefully Gamma has enough sense not to hammer anyone yet.

[Kappa]

Had trouble connecting to the site yesterday. Yes, Upsilon and Gamma need to claim.

[Kappa]

cop enabler: Enables the Cop to preform investigations. said the wiki.

but i still don't understand how it works. upsilon need to explain it.

better with a flavor claim.

this.

btw - did Iota ever give the flavor for the sleep ability?

[Kappa]

Sending Mass Prod

Iota (1) Alpha
Upsilon (1) Kappa

Not Voting (1) Gamma, Iota, Upsilon

This is sorta weird; I guess it confirms part of Gamma's claim (can't vote). But shouldn't Upsilon and Iota still have their votes out? I thought unvoting wasn't possible without voting someone else.

[Kappa]

Proposal:

Lynch Iotascum
Alpha shoots Gamma
Gamma/Upsilon shoots Alpha/Kappa

If Gamma is lying about bulletproofing, they die. Not sure why town would lie about that, so we'd kill the other scum that way.

If Gamma doesn't die, then it's telling the truth and we can be reasonably confident it's town. Then the scum is either Upsilon or Alpha. My money would be on Upsilon.

Obviously, this all assumes Iota is scum (which I'm fairly certain of - the sleep claim is so bogus), and I would certainly die overnight. But this way, we'd at least have one (fairly) confirmed townie in the endgame.

[Kappa]

no, gamma is 1-shot bulletproof only.

Ahhhhhh - OK, nvrmind all that then.

I think I trust Gamma, but I'll go back and check the votecounts to make sure.

[Kappa]

OK, here is a deeper look at Gamma's story:

First, its claim:

i am a 1-shot nk immune townie w/ a twist.

once an attempt on my life is made I can't vote unless it's the hammer from then on (read back and see how it makes sense)

it was used night um, well the night before the case on Mu,. remember i said there was a an explanation for the missing kill - it was because I was targeted. I was considering fake claiming but yeah.

Here's what it said immediately following these events:

Omicron (6): Theta, Mu,

Gamma

, Beta, Pi, Iota
Iota (1); Kappa
Pi (1); Omicron
Mu (1): Alpha

Not Voting: Upsilon

10 Alive, 6 To Lynch

Omicron - Standard Mafia Messenger - Lynched Day 6

So it's Night 6. See you then... if you're lucky *muahahahahaha*

Gamma clearly had it's vote intact at this point (Day 6)

Pi - Vanilla Townie - Killed Night 6

Kappa and Iota are still asleep and aren't responding to being awoken, how odd. You decide that you should bring them through to the meeting room in case they awake.
You decide you won't lynch them while they're asleep.

6 Awake, 4 To Lynch

Only 1 kill that night:

Hmm.

I won't be voting for a while as I need to work this out.

Leaning towards mu being blocked being responsible for the lack of kills. However we can still be *pretty sure* emperor were on the counterwagon, so that's okay. Iota was the prime candidate and is dead.

I'm going to go back through the night kills and match them up with what we know. Actually brb lambda said he blocked mu twice (i think)

Hints at its vote restriction. Although, it does then immdiately refer to Mu being blocked as the reason for lack of NK. Then, again:

Roleblocker.
I can use Lambda calculus to make people's abilities fail.
I blocked noone N1. Blocked Mu the rest of the days.
Have to run for now.

Cha-ching!!!!!

Gamma uses this to drive the Mu lynch, knowing full well (if we believe its claim) why there was no kill the previous night - and it had nothing to do with Mu being blocked. But then:

It's not convenient at all, I'm pretty sure I know exactly why there was only 1 kill last night.

Okay, explain.

I'd be inclined to not explain, actually.

Kinda vague, but hints at the real reason (i.e., bulletproof Gamma was targeted).
Then we have some more hints:

mu/alpha are both good lynches. beta is too probably.

consider my FOS as my vote for the moment so I'll

FOS MU

Another hint at the vote restriction.

vote mu

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Anyway, remember mafia you guys need to crosskill ;D

Alpha looks a good bet for scum as does Beta. One of the sleeping players is probs scum (iota) too.

Only votes when it's the hammer vote.

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So, I'd like an explanation from Gamma about why it initially thought Mu was blocked N6 was the reason for lack of an NK. Clearly, they had read whatever night PM they got, since it seems it knew about the vote restriction.

What does everyone think about Gamma's claim? There is clearly proof that its vote is restricted following Night 6, but I don't really see how that make it more likely protown, especially with the out-of-the-gate comments about Mu. Correct me if I'm missing something, though.

[Kappa]

If we didn't already have an SK down, I'd say it sounds like SK, actually, with the NK immune stuff.

I could see that power belonging to mafia GF, too. Standard Mafia GF?

[Kappa]

Alright, that makes a lot more sense, Gamma.

At this point, I'm pretty sure Iota is scum (due to lying about sleep abilities) and that that is who I want to lynch. Any reasons we should lynch someone other than Iota?

Iota's flavor claim will be pretty pointless, IMO. Upsilon's might be worth hearing, but I don't think it'll make me want to lynch someone else.

As for who the other scum is... well, I don't want to throw out WIFOM needlessly so best spare that for tomorrow, I think.

@Max: Can we get a corrected votecount, please?

[Kappa]

Alpha, why did your other kills not go through?

No one else has claimed roleblocker, so you're either scum or the scum have a roleblocker(s).

Is a Standard Mafia Messenger (Omicron) a roleblocker? This would mean the Emperor Mafia Messenger can still block someone...

That would also mean there were 3 roleblockers in the game (if the scum teams are symmetrical in abilities). Haven't see that in too many games, but I have seen it before (usually with larger scum teams and larger games). With that many blockers I'm not surprised that there was a lack of kill on so many nights, since there are technically 4 killing factions.

Hmm, I'll have to go back and try to decide whether Iota is Emperor or Standard.

btw, if scum do kill on alternate nights, Alpha's claim is hella scummy.

[Kappa]

Hmm, I'll have to go back and try to decide whether Iota is Emperor or Standard.

OK, done - I'm pretty sure Iota is Emperor mafia.

[Kappa]

Well, if this really is 2/2/1 I can say who the scum teams are. Hopefully that's not the case, though, but gg if it is.

[Kappa]

How does it work, though. We know what it means.

[Kappa]

OK, that makes some sense.

Gamma, what is the flavor for your 1-shot NK immunity?

[Kappa]

k, I'm ready to lynch Iota

Unvote: Upsilon
Vote: Iota

[Kappa]

gamma wanna hammah?

[Kappa]

Nah, not yet at least.