Known issues/phpBB3 wish list

[Nobody Special]

I was also set to Mountain rather than Pacific DST; I corrected and didn't think enough of it to mention it (DST is a worthless thing in the first place, so I just... never mind).

I also use (if that's the proper word) the View Count thing. Not the end of the world if it's not brought back, though.

[Nobody Special]

Confirming it's a vBulletin thing. And very handy.

[Nobody Special]

I want to thank you (again) for everything you've done, and I know these things take time; I'm curious whether you have updated ETAs for these two things:

• Post Numbers
  - I haven't ported it over yet, but I have at least two examples to work from.
  Estimated completion: 6/21.
  
  
• mafSepia, mafTigers
  - I know, I know, it's just lower priority than some of the other crisis items. There's also a few more icons in mafSilver to upload, but they're basically finished.
  Estimated completion: 6/24?

Thanks again for everything!

[Nobody Special]

Not just that article, the main wiki page gives this (spoilered for hugeness):

Spoiler: MediaWiki error text

MediaWiki internal error.

Original exception: exception 'DBQueryError' with message 'A database error has occurred
Query: SELECT page_id,page_namespace,page_title,page_restrictions,page_counter,page_is_redirect,page_is_new,page_random,page_touched,page_latest,page_len FROM `page` WHERE page_namespace = '0' AND page_title = 'Main_Page' LIMIT 1
Function: Article::pageData
Error: 2006 MySQL server has gone away (localhost)
' in /usr/local/mafiascum/wiki/includes/Database.php:708
Stack trace:
#0 /usr/local/mafiascum/wiki/includes/Database.php(665): Database->reportQueryError('MySQL server ha...', 2006, 'SELECT page_id...', 'Article::pageDa...', false)
#1 /usr/local/mafiascum/wiki/includes/Database.php(1057): Database->query('SELECT page_id...', 'Article::pageDa...')
#2 /usr/local/mafiascum/wiki/includes/Database.php(1076): Database->select('page', Array, Array, 'Article::pageDa...', Array)
#3 /usr/local/mafiascum/wiki/includes/Article.php(267): Database->selectRow('page', Array, Array, 'Article::pageDa...')
#4 /usr/local/mafiascum/wiki/includes/Article.php(279): Article->pageData(Object(DatabaseMysql), Array)
#5 /usr/local/mafiascum/wiki/includes/Wiki.php(240): Article->pageDataFromTitle(Object(DatabaseMysql), Object(Title))
#6 /usr/local/mafiascum/wiki/includes/Wiki.php(48): MediaWiki->initializeArticle(Object(Title), Object(WebRequest))
#7 /usr/local/mafiascum/wiki/index.php(48): MediaWiki->initialize(Object(Title), Object(StubObject), Object(User), Object(WebRequest))
#8 {main}

Exception caught inside exception handler: exception 'DBUnexpectedError' with message 'Error in fetchObject(): MySQL server has gone away (localhost)' in /usr/local/mafiascum/wiki/includes/Database.php:825
Stack trace:
#0 /usr/local/mafiascum/wiki/includes/MessageCache.php(315): Database->fetchObject(false)
#1 /usr/local/mafiascum/wiki/includes/MessageCache.php(252): MessageCache->loadFromDB()
#2 /usr/local/mafiascum/wiki/includes/MessageCache.php(442): MessageCache->load()
#3 /usr/local/mafiascum/wiki/includes/GlobalFunctions.php(420): MessageCache->get('databaseerror', true, false)
#4 /usr/local/mafiascum/wiki/includes/GlobalFunctions.php(379): wfMsgGetKey('databaseerror', true, false, true)
#5 /usr/local/mafiascum/wiki/includes/Exception.php(18): wfMsgReal('databaseerror', Array)
#6 /usr/local/mafiascum/wiki/includes/Database.php(212): MWException->msg('databaseerror', 'Database error')
#7 /usr/local/mafiascum/wiki/includes/Exception.php(109): DBQueryError->getPageTitle()
#8 /usr/local/mafiascum/wiki/includes/Exception.php(76): MWException->htmlHeader()
#9 /usr/local/mafiascum/wiki/includes/Exception.php(95): MWException->reportHTML()
#10 /usr/local/mafiascum/wiki/includes/Exception.php(171): MWException->report()
#11 /usr/local/mafiascum/wiki/includes/Exception.php(205): wfReportException(Object(DBQueryError))
#12 [internal function]: wfExceptionHandler(Object(DBQueryError))
#13 {main}

[Nobody Special]

And, like magic, it's all better now.

[Nobody Special]

In the first post of this game, there are links to player profiles that were formed prior to the migration. They're broken now. (You get that wonderful "a ninja stole this page" 404.)

I mention this here because I haven't seen the profile link bug mentioned and thought it perhaps worthy. If it's something to be fixed instance-by-instance, feel free to ignore.

[Nobody Special]

Thank you, O Wise Ninja (whoever you are).

[Nobody Special]

Topic-mod is next, hopefully tonight.

I need somebody RUNNING a game in Mish-Mash who is not an Admin/List Mod/Me=Weird to confirm that they:

1. have access to edit anyone's posts in threads they started
   
2. do not have edit rights to other people's threads in Mish-Mash

Second confirmation.

[Nobody Special]

As before: I can edit all posts in a thread I started (in MishMash), and I cannot edit in other threads in MishMash.

[Nobody Special]

That's promising... did you try locking, unlocking, and deleting a reply? I can make a test post if you need something nonsensical to delete.

I can lock and unlock. If you'd like to post here, I'll try deleting it.

[Nobody Special]

@Mr. Flay: Two issues.

1) I cannot see a way to delete M=W's recent post. I tried to edit it, thinking there was a Delete button on the Edit screen, but no. (And when I tried to Save Edit with a blank message, I got the "Too Few Characters" error message.)

2) The thread in question was created before the move, and was not updated since the move, and it did not show up in my egosearch; I had to go into MishMash and there it was. Odd.

[Nobody Special]

The weirdest thing -- I posted a test post just now, and it has the delete button; my older (pre-move) posts in that same thread do not. But none of the other posts in that thread have delete buttons, so.

[Nobody Special]

Okay, implemented a possible fix for not being able to delete posts in your game threads. Give it a try and see what you discover.

I unlocked the thread and tried to delete M=W's test post; when I clicked the delete button, I get this:

Sorry but you can only delete your own posts.

So, while I have a delete button on every post in that thread [which I started], I can't actually delete any. (In other MishMash threads that I did not start, there is no delete button on each post.)

[Nobody Special]

Also, since the title of the thread is at least partially "wish list":

1) I would like to be able to remove threads from my egosearch. (Likely impossible. But useful for games that one replaces out of and threads that one no longer wishes to read, but once posted in.)

2) It would be über-cool to be able to set thread icons individually. My thinking is that I still read games that I'm dead in, but I want a reminder that I shouldn't post in them. If I could change the thread icon for my own view, this would help. (Also, likely impossible. But isn't that what wishes are for?)


ETA:

3) Will there ever be iso search for the archives?

[Nobody Special]

Nah, I broke it. Stupid &*(%^*$#&^ caching meant I pulled the wrong copy of viewtopic_body to edit, and resurrected an old error with duplicate . It only took a couple of minutes to re-fix...

That completes the basics, I think. Tonight is Sepia v.0.9.

Remind me to send you flowers. Or something.

[Nobody Special]

You're just now noticing?

[Nobody Special]

EBWOP:

Personal wiki links will be back before midnight Pacific Time.

I don't suppose I could get a personalized button that says "spiffy wikipage" or something to that effect?

No?

Didn't think so.

[Nobody Special]

Sorry, who are you again?

Oh, nobody special. Really.

[Nobody Special]

mafSepia is

roughly

done, and should be usable. I haven't stripped all of the blue/silver out of it yet, but the icons should all be present. If anything's missing/blank, let me know...

In the "Locked" icon, the final "D" looks like an "O". (This, obviously, has a priority of, like, negative 4 million, but I wanted you to know. But you probably already knew. I'll go now.)

[Nobody Special]

Tigers before Futurism. (Please.)

[Nobody Special]

I still see it.

[Nobody Special]

Blargh, it is a matter of adding the name first to the PM. I mistakenly thought somehow it was saying "No submitting PMs without previewing first". :\

I know that when I create a PM and mistype the username, it comes up with an error along the lines of "user does not exist"; perhaps the 'forced preview' thing is it's way of assuring us that we've got a valid user....?

[Nobody Special]

Wish List:

I would like the HTML marquee tag implemented for sigs. It could be useful in certain situations. Barring that, blinking text.

::: runs pre-emptively :::

[Nobody Special]

Nobody Special, Village Idiot, has been Modkilled with extreme prejudice.

I hope you guys know I was kidding.

[Nobody Special]

To the left of the page-number boxes, there is a link that says "Page 13 of 13" -- click that and you get a popup box that allows you to enter a page number to jump to.

# Gender and other custom profile fields - The data's still available, but I didn't finalize what way to present it. Estimated completion: 8/7.

[Nobody Special]

did you move the Reply (Submit, whatever) button to the far right? If so, can you put it back?

[Nobody Special]

These are all the places I found buttons of this type:


Quick reply: Submit, Preview

Reply Editor: Save Draft, Preview, Submit



UCP: Profile:

Edit Profile: Reset, Submit

Edit Signature: Reset, Preview, Submit

Edit Avatar: Reset, Submit

Edit Account Settings: Reset, Submit


UCP: Board Preferences:

Edit Global Settings: Reset, Submit

Edit Posting Defaults: Reset, Submit

Edit Display Options:Reset, Submit


UCP: Private Messages:

Compose Message: Load, Save Draft, Preview, Submit

[Nobody Special]

I don't even remember doing that.



...I mean, you're welcome!

[Nobody Special]

I suppose it's out of the question to be able to put a PM in more than one folder, right?

[Nobody Special]

Hadn't thought of forwarding -- thanks!

I do not have the Gender field on my Edit profile screen.

[Nobody Special]

Aliases are easy.

I'll add VOTE: now, and I guess UNVOTE: though I don't love it. [un] ?

Actually, I need to think a bit more about how that would interact with planned expansions for the vote tag.

Also, all you have to do is type their name and hit the button on the editor. Isn't that shorter (unless you're in Quick Reply)?

VOTE: Mr. Flay (I was testing.)

Actually, that's backwards. You have to click the Vote button first, then type the name.

But I never use it, as it's just muscle memory now to type [ b]Vote: xxx[ /b].

[Nobody Special]

I did a search this morning, and got no results, and there was no link to return to/go to the search function (reg or advanced). Unsure if it's impossible or no, but it sure would be helpful (I loathe pressing the "Back" button).

[Nobody Special]

That's a rather personal question.

[Nobody Special]

Is it just me, or is a post's text blacker (darker, if you will) the first time you see it after you've posted? If not, my eyes are playing serious tricks on me.

Also, when you're in iso, and click to go back to the entire thread, the post you clicked from is darker.

Please tell me I'm not the only one seeing this.

[Nobody Special]

Not sure what you mean by bg 1 and bg2 -- but my second question involves seeing a thread with one player in iso (nothing to do with a reply page) and then clicking an iso post's post# link to go to the post in context. After clicking, the post you clicked form is darker text. I know that's not clear, but it's the best I can get right now.

[Nobody Special]

Well, I'm not quite sure how I've never heard of Firebug, but. Now life will be easier. (I see what you mean by bg1 and bg2, now.)

Can't see a difference in darkened text in the HTML or CSS; I don't have a color-picker (yet; I really should), I'll let you know if I find anything.

[Nobody Special]

Yes. Yes, it is.

[Nobody Special]

VOTE: Mr. Flay
UNVOTE: Mr. Flay

Vote: Mr. Flay

unvote

(I'm very much a visual person. I have to see things to understand.)

[Nobody Special]

Dropped the max PMs per folder to 800, for a maximum of 4000, not 5000.

Am I being punished for something?

[Nobody Special]

My understanding of Groups is that Mini Mods are in the same group, whether you're modding a theme or a normal.

[Nobody Special]

Is there any possibility that we could get View Your Posts added to the jump bar (bottom of page)?

[/lazy]

[Nobody Special]

I meant actually in the jump thing, but I can see how that may not work with it not being a forum.

Can it be put centered in between the jump bar and "< Return to xxx"? Or perhaps in the footer (probably the wrong term) with Board Index|Subscribe link|Bookmark link ?

And, since I'm probably the only person here that even wants this, feel free to make it low (as in subterranean) priority.

[Nobody Special]

An excellent solution.

[Nobody Special]

Of note: Today, for the first time (since the move?) I clicked on the unread icon for this thread and it took me to the first unread post rather than the top of the current page.

[Nobody Special]

Of note: Today, for the first time (since the move?) I clicked on the unread icon for this thread and it took me to the first unread post rather than the top of the current page.

My apologies, I got threads confused. The thread that was wonky is the Post-conversion FAQ thread (the global announcement thread). This thread never had that problem. (Therefore, the global-sticky thread still has the problem. I just clicked in it, and realized my mistake.)

ETA: Arrgh. The quote above is unclear; I always use the unread icon button; what "for the first time" refers to is the place to which my browser took me, but then, the point is moot now anyway. (I just don't want anyone to think I just discovered the unread icon. I use it constantly.)

[Nobody Special]

Not sure if this is the proper place to ask, but does a Game Mod have the capability to disallow emoticons in a thread?

[Nobody Special]

Also, (and this could be an issue with the browser I'm using here), the Contact icons for each poster have shifted a bit to the right.

PWB Version 2.10.7 (Public Web Browser)
[No, I've never heard of it, either.]

[Nobody Special]

I have since learned that this is (somehow) a Private Label version of IE; so that explains that.

And yes, I'm going to be running txtMafia, and it would be useful to turn off emoticons so that they show as

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;)

rather than -- for ease of character-counting, as well as to preserve txt-like flavor for the game. No big deal if it can't easily be done, though.

[Nobody Special]

It would be non-trivial, I fear.

As a game mod, you SHOULD be able to edit any posts where people forget and

disable emoticons in that thread

, though, if that helps. Just put it in big letters in your rules and you should be fine.

The bolded part: I'm sure you meant something else, as what I bolded is precisely what I want.

But since it's non-trivial, it's moot. I'll just work around it.

[Nobody Special]

Oh, well, yeah. (Sorry.)

[Nobody Special]

Come to the Dark Side.

We have cookies.

[Nobody Special]

I think DST broke my settings. Testing time on this post.

EDIT: It seems okay now; I only noticed it due to "sent" times on Role PMs.

(For those having issues: In Board Preferences, there's a button to enable/disable DST. It's handled differently on other BB systems, and I think this way is clunky but

I am grateful to mith for everything he has given us.)

[Nobody Special]

I believe the work-around

at this time

is for you to edit the post to blank and then ask mith or Flay to delete it. (If I'm wrong, I apologize.)

[Nobody Special]

I am able to successfully edit my own posts (without unlocking the thread) in Picking Simplicity, which just went into Night Five.

YAY!!

[Nobody Special]

When I edit my sig, the input page says Smilies are ON; however, I can't seem to make them work. Have we turned them off? If so, that should be edited so as not to confuse simple minds such as mine.

[Nobody Special]

I don't see a tickybox to turn smilies ON -- there is a box to Disable Smilies (in the sig page). It's working now, so.

[Nobody Special]

Quote tags in sigs are evil and should die a nasty, fiery death.

/opinion

[Nobody Special]

Quote tags in sigs are evil and should die a nasty, fiery death.

/opinion

[Nobody Special]

As an aside, on my Bookmarks page in the header line "BOOMMARKS/LAST POST" last post isn't bolded. Is that the way it is supposed to be? Now that I've noticed it I can't stop looking at i as ikt bugs my format OCD.

Same thing on subscriptions page.

[Nobody Special]

If you click on the "Page xx of yy" you will get a box that will allow you to select any page number you want. Same functionality, different look.

[Nobody Special]

I can edit my Newbie game (which is in Night, and therefore locked), so it's nothing sitewide.

[Nobody Special]

Oh hey, that's funny. Apparently, they're there but I can't see them GHOST EDIT!

Which skin are you using?

[Nobody Special]

The more I think about it, with our long pages, the more I think we should just copy the entire

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User Control Panel • View your posts              • Search • Wiki • FAQ • Members • Logout 

line to the footer. That would give NS what he's looking for, as well as the other major links, without having to scroll up.

Any news on this? I see it's not in the first post. (I'm currently using scuMobile, so if it's implemented on mafSepia, I'll switch.)

Also, and largely unimportant, any news on mafTiger?

And thank you again for everything.

[Nobody Special]

So.... am I the first to notice that ISOs are ALL ON ONE PAGE AGAIN regardless of length?

YAY!!

[Nobody Special]

I read Prozac's request as wanting the page:goto link on the forum index page. I may have been wrong.

[Nobody Special]

Any chance of getting a Skype button, like the AIM, MSN, Yahoo!, etc?

[Nobody Special]

Any chance of getting a Skype button, like the AIM, MSN, Yahoo!, etc?

Probably. Got an example somewhere else of the syntax?

I....uhhhh, no.

There's a syntax?

If you can show me what the syntax for the AIM button or the MSN button is, I could probably work up something for Skype. (I'm nothing if not optimistic.)

I keep meaning to install phpBB on one of my websites so I can actually learn how to make it go, but, you know, it's not the highest of priorities.

[Nobody Special]

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<!--
Skype 'Skype Me™!' button
http://www.skype.com/go/skypebuttons
-->
<script type="text/javascript" src="http://download.skype.com/share/skypebuttons/js/skypeCheck.js"></script>
<a href="skype:Thorsett?call"><img src="http://download.skype.com/share/skypebuttons/buttons/call_blue_transparent_34x34.png" style="border: none;" width="34" height="34" alt="Skype Me™!" /></a>

That's not quite what you're looking for, I know. But I got that from the Skype website -- that's their button graphic. I guess the relevant bit is

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"skype:Thorsett?call"

Does that help?

[Nobody Special]

Hey! The THING! It's ON THE BOTTOM NOW!


CELEBRATION!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Nobody Special]

The thing?

View Your Posts (and UCP).

Now I just have to train myself to use it/remember it's there.

Thank you, Flay!!!

[Nobody Special]

I know, but it's habit now to go to the top-of-page for that. It's, like, ingrained.

[Nobody Special]

It confuses me. I've gotten used to View My Posts on the bottom of the page, and now that it's not bolded, I'm bookmarking all my threads.

[Nobody Special]

It has been that way since the update; not sure about before.

[Nobody Special]

Wish list addendum:

I would like to be told if my about-to-be-submitted post will be first on a new page and if so, given the option of quoting the immediately-previous post.

I loathe widows and orphans, and having a post that replies to the post

right above me

OOPS IT'S ON THE PREVIOUS PAGE is mildly irritating.

[Nobody Special]

I would really like to have read/unread icons for PMs in scuMobile. I'm likely the only one, though, so.

[Nobody Special]

Can't recall if this has been addressed (if so, sorry) -- on threadview, the ellipsis between page numbers is clickable; in egosearch it is not. Can this be changed? (also, I'm using scuMobile; if it's like this in Silver or Sepia.....)

[Nobody Special]

Can't recall if this has been addressed (if so, sorry) -- on threadview, the ellipsis between page numbers is clickable; in egosearch it is not. Can this be changed? (also, I'm using scuMobile; if it's like this in Silver or Sepia.....)

This should be fixed now (it's a core function, not a theme, so it should be sitewide).

Bizarre. Clicking on the ellipsis for this thread (phpBB wish list thread) in my egosearch gives me the window, but choosing page 3 returns this page of search results.

I have no idea what that is.

It's page three of my egosearch.

[Nobody Special]

So, I'm back again, asking for things that I think would be neat, but probably no one else cares about.

I think it would be really useful if we could (in iso view) have, next to the Real#, the total number of posts in the thread. 'Twould be a simple way to see, at a glance, how many posts have elapsed since a particular players last post. (Obviously, I only see the utility of this in the last isopost, but I imagine it's simpler to code it into every iso-post rather than only the final one). This came to me when I realized that I'm always going from iso-view to thread-view to find out how many posts since a given player's last.

Of course, not at all urgent, but it would make me happy (and save a handful of pageviews).

Anyone else?

[Nobody Special]

I was thinking of the following:

{graphic read|unread} Post #xx Real # yy of #zz {Total} » Mon Jul 11, 2011 hh:mm pm

The word 'Total' would be optional. It's just adding the display of the total number of threadposts on that same line that the RealPost# variable was added.

Make sense?


(Also, Flay, I'm not talking about length of time between a player's last post and the last threadpost, I'm talking number of posts. Subtle difference, and useful.)

[Nobody Special]

Look to right of 'First unread post' (see 637 posts) -> ISO CDB -> Look at same spot (See 1 post)

No, that shows the total iso posts. I want the total threadposts, alongside the total isoposts. (Besides, that total of isoposts is at the top of the page, and the last isopost is always at the bottom. I'm lazy, shoot me.)

[Nobody Special]

I am clearly not explaining this well enough.

Sorry.

[Nobody Special]

But it's USELESS on Activity Overview.

Kison gets it. (Well, Flay gets it, too, but won't give it to me. )

[Nobody Special]

Unsure if this is a new broken thing, or if I'm just inattentive.

I've seen several instances of emoticons in quoted messages that are not showing as emoticons, but : igmeou : (no spaces, obv). It's only happening in my PMs, not threads.

Has it always been this way?

[Nobody Special]

As I've mentioned, it doesn't happen in threads; only in PMs.

(Ninjaedit: Are PMs 'forums'?)

[Nobody Special]

As I've mentioned, it doesn't happen in threads; only in PMs.

(Ninjaedit: Are PMs 'forums'?)

Really?:igmeou: Does it to me in forums....

?
?:igmeou:

Well, okay, I'll amend that to "I haven't seen it in the forums (until now)".

[Nobody Special]

.....?

[Nobody Special]

Whoa.

[Nobody Special]

We don't know.

But it's SHINY.

[Nobody Special]

I can see nothing regarding your V/LA: checked your profile and also activity overview in a game (marathon forum).

[Nobody Special]

Or, you know, what Flay said.

[Nobody Special]

Yeah we just reordered and removed the duplicate link. It shouldn't prevent you from linking to a particular post.

And I was just popping in to let you know that while both Real and Iso were links on scuMobile, only Real links in mafSilver.

But never mind.

Poro, a post is a post is a post; whether you link to it as an iso or a standard post, you're linking

to the same post.

[Nobody Special]

Whoa. I had no idea we could do that.

I'll just go back to my cave.

[Nobody Special]

No; I've never been able to do that. I'll have to study the URL and learn....

[Nobody Special]

We can turn the iso # back into a link that goes to that post in isolation view. I imagine that would be useful.

Yes please.

[Nobody Special]

(Is this the proper place to report new issues?)

From my Subscriptions page, I click on the 'New Posts' icon for the Impostor Alts thread (which is a Global Announcement) and I get the following:

The requested topic does not exist.

but if I click the New Posts icon from any normal place (forum page), it takes me to the top of the latest page (normal for a GA thread).

[Nobody Special]

Is anyone other than the poster able to set someone for V/LA?

[Nobody Special]

Yes.

[Nobody Special]

I'm thinking that Mods should be able to set players in their games to V/LA if the players either don't know about it or aren't able to. It could also be the control freak in me coming out.

It's probably a Very Bad Idea.

[Nobody Special]

There are a huge number of people who are not aware of the option of setting it yet.

[Nobody Special]

I can't help it you're not a Rabid Control Freak like me.

[Nobody Special]

Is it my imagination, or didn't we used to have Read/Unread icons in the PM box?

[Nobody Special]

I can't recall where, but it has been talked about before. At length. Flay knows where, I'm sure.

[Nobody Special]

I see in the first post that scuMobile and mafTigers have the same priority, yet we have one and not the other.

Any news on my favorite skin?


ETA: Forgot to say thank you for all that you all

have

done, and I'm not whining, just curious.

[Nobody Special]

Did you mean Art Group, or Coding and Design? I would think a skin would be in the latter group, but what do I know.

[Nobody Special]

Wish list: Any chance at all of making the reply window bigger, or perhaps individually adjustable?


I joined the Art Group; when life slows down a bit, I might join the coding group.

[Nobody Special]

For the slow among us,

how?

[Nobody Special]

Mine doesn't have that fancy-schmancy handle. Do you perhaps have an extension or add-on that I don't?

[Nobody Special]

Both. I primarily use FF (no handle there) but I just checked Chrome and there is a handle for stretching; but I hate Chrome. Too memory-intensive for me.

[Nobody Special]

The handle in Chrome looks like that, yes. I don't have that in FF.


ETA: I wonder if one of my extensions/add-ons is blocking it.

[Nobody Special]

Is this still the right place for random wishing?

I wish individual game-thread posts could be labeled with something to indicate which game day they fall into. Would be Very Helpful when isoing over a multi-day game. (Especially if you've replaced in and don't have early-game interaction.)