Succession Mafia (OVER!)

[gandalf5166]

Aim: DMSIS

He was going to join this game, but probably decided not to because he knew that Flay would look at his wiki and tell him he couldn't play. Worried about meta = SCUM. GOGOGO GUYS!

[gandalf5166]

Porozac, I honestly will not read your posts if you do that quote stripes bullshit. It makes me want to have a seizure.

VOTE: Furcolow

SCUM LYNCH ALL SYSTEMS GO!!!!!!!!!

[gandalf5166]

gandalf, have you been reading the thread at all?

Yes, and my psychic powers are telling me you're scum. But seriously, LYNCH PLOX!!!!!!!

[gandalf5166]

Are we deciding Furcolow is town because of meta? Because he's looking pretty damn scummy to me.

[gandalf5166]

fail

unvote
vote: gandalf

Blatant OMGUS is noted. If you have to include "being generally scummy" on a person who's made four posts, you're doing something wrong.

[gandalf5166]

gandalf, you still have failed to make an actual case on anyone (and yes I know I haven't either).

I only just popped in, dude. And I dislike wall o text cases. Save those for the newbie games. Seriously, I can't imagine why anyone would NOT vote for FC.

[gandalf5166]

this game should win the "most ninja-edited" award.

Yeah. I literally tried to post that three times.
EBWOP: Sniped once.

[gandalf5166]

What you're doing is pushing hard for an easy mislynch with no semblance of logic behind it, just his general VI play which is meta-null.

Can someone PLOX link this meta that evryone in this game but me has? Scum and town, PLOX.

[gandalf5166]

I'm saying his VI play is meta-null, which is what Gandalf is pushing him for. His play in this game feels town.

LINK PLOX.

[gandalf5166]

why does it feel town? shameless and ostentatious arrogance and ad hom aren't town at all.

WAT HE SED.

[gandalf5166]

you're still scum gandalf, so shut up

I KNOZ. OH SHIT. DID I JUST SAY THAT?

[gandalf5166]

Wow. Me asking for meta is scummy? LYNCH PLOX!!!!!!!

[gandalf5166]

AND LINK TOO!!!!!!!!!!!

[gandalf5166]

Wow. I don't even need to say why that post sucks. LYNCH PLOX!!!!!!!! AND LINKS TOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[gandalf5166]

Gah. At least three scum on my wagon by this point.

[gandalf5166]

Guys calm it down a little. Jesus I'll never catch up after my V/la at this rate.

It's not growing THAT fast. At least, not as fast as Reck or Dram's games.

[gandalf5166]

@Gandalf: were you

really

unable to tell from Furcolow's posting that he had a VI-type meta?

Yes, but with VIs, you have to get familiar with their meta to read them. It's how I work, man. So LINKS PLOX!!!!!!!

[gandalf5166]

ITT, we learn that Friend is scum.

[gandalf5166]

@Gandalf: were you

really

unable to tell from Furcolow's posting that he had a VI-type meta?

Yes, but with VIs, you have to get familiar with their meta to read them. It's how I work, man. So LINKS PLOX!!!!!!!

Ok, so shouldn't you have asked about his meta

before

you voted him?

Odd that Lord Gurgi spoke of competing wagons being a false dilemma, and then voted for Friend anyway. Token pro-town sentiment?

No. Guilty until proven innocent.

[gandalf5166]

I don't need to explain myself to be right.

Inhim, why is "lack of obvtown" enough reason to wagon?

You're always obvtown. Not obvtown makes you seem scummy.

[gandalf5166]

Sorry for the triple post, but I have to know:

Would you guys prefer me to just quote lots of stuff, or do the URL link like I did in 426?

Links. Quote stripes = me shooting you in the face.

[gandalf5166]

Yeah, I know what you mean zwet. It's mostly laziness that makes me unwilling to make cases/wallposts etc. So I share my reads instead in absolute form.

Agree with this. Also taking this opportunity to say that Yos2 is prob-scum.

[gandalf5166]

Basically, town, I'm sorry. I can revert to old, logical, questioning, blatantly protown Friend if need be. The only reason I don't is, when I do, I lose. I hope this helps clarify some things about me and my playstyle, and I hope you'll forgive me for being somewhat anti-town.

Anyways, onto scumhunting:

What RC said.

aim, holster: Yosarian2

Your absolute self is obv town too. As in [ONGOING GAME]. And I had the same dilemma, only minus being obv town. :/

[gandalf5166]

i have scum meta now
http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=14990

Where's the town meta. I'm considering an unvote, but I need just a little more.

[gandalf5166]

Please stop posting.

I've decided to jack Ythan's catchup style. It's easier than links, and doesn't hurt the eyes nearly as much as quote stripes. It's spam, but w/e.

[gandalf5166]

Oh whatever. I can see that this wagon is going nowhere.

Aim: dramonic

And don't be calling me VI guyzzzzzzzz. I only act this way in larges.

[gandalf5166]

I am not "lurking out". Just not motivated to do these wall-o-text posts like everyone else is doing. I save those for the minis. There's just way too much posting happening in this game for me to post about all of it. That said........ Why hasn't dram been hammered yet? He refused to claim. That's practically begging for a lynch.

[gandalf5166]

Okay, dram is still scum post-claim. For what LG pointed out, mainly. Working with the stars is plausible, but I don't see why the hell dram would be allowed to protect N0. Also, outguessing the mod here, but I believe that he didn't like the way the recruit or kill thing turned out in Lost Boys. So I doubt he did it again.

[gandalf5166]

Erm... Gimme a sec on that one. I'll have to think.

[gandalf5166]

Actually, I'll list my reads of everyone so far.
Lord Gurgi- Scum. He just seems too..... justified. Like he's trying too hard. Forced would be the word.
ani- I had this confused with another game where ani was conf town >.> But I still think he's town in this game. He's been consistently helpful, even if he doesn't produce amazing content.
Chrono-Scum. I'm not even going to explain why, it's almost self-evident.
dram-Scum.
Erg0- Town.
Faraday-Uncertain, probably town.
Friend-Probably scum.
Furcolow-Scum.
Gandalf-Town.
inHim-Absolutely no idea.
Andrius- Scum, but not scum with dram.
ooba- No idea.
Poro- Probably scum.
RC- Town.
M=W-Town.
TL-Town.
vezok-town.
xvart-scum.
Yos2-null.
zwet-Town.
And I just realized that although I have a good amount of scum reads for a normal Large Theme, this game has recruiters, so there probably aren't nearly as many at this point........ There are only six at the very max. And that's assuming that both groups start out with a henchman and recruit N0, which is unlikely. Also, dram is now obv-scum. Why didn't he include a name in his claim? But of my scumreads, I'm most confident in LG, dram, Andy, and Chrono.

[gandalf5166]

why do you view me as scum? especially considering a lot of the town list you have consider me town. Also, please rectify the fact that you have 7 scum or possibly scum listed when there will be i believe 4 scum. Care to pick 3 "scum" to knock off your list? thanks.

First part: Town can still be wrong. And second part: Did you read my entire post? Lol.

[gandalf5166]

*feels the Ubertown Power Alliance Bonds clicking into place*

All systems, go.

Who is actually officially in your alliance? Just wondering, because I think that I was suggested at some point, but I'm not sure if I was accepted. That and, it's useful information to have all around.

[gandalf5166]

LOL like Andy's gonna claim cause you randomly switched your vote.

[gandalf5166]

Holster, Aim: Furcolow

This is just getting ridiculous.

See, I would switch my vote too, but I know that that isn't going anywhere :/ If some other people vote, I'll get over there though.
And Furc, you're crackin me up.

[gandalf5166]

Wait, active lurking? Andy? Are you really that bad at the game? I am literally doubled over laughing.

[gandalf5166]

I never use response times as a scumtell.

[gandalf5166]

my vote is going to remain on you until you claim, andrius. i'm sorry, bro, i like you, but you're in a situation where you need to claim or be lynched.

Why?

[gandalf5166]

Yay, the furc wagon is moving now!

Holster, Vote furcolow

[gandalf5166]

BTW, I still think dram is scum. I just think furc is far more annoying scum >.>

[gandalf5166]

Wow. You're just going to replace out because people are pressuring you? Noobscum rofl.

[gandalf5166]

No, gandalf, that's NOT a noobscum move actually.

I've seen it done. I could provide links, but I'm too lazy. >.>

[gandalf5166]

I was talking about noobscum in general, but thanks for telling us it applies to you specifically as well

[gandalf5166]

...DON'T buy the new Linkin Park album. It is beyond terrible.

THANK YOU for telling me this. I was considering it, hoping that it wouldn't be as bad as Minutes to Midnight.

[gandalf5166]

No. What if there's a framer?

[gandalf5166]

/backhands all gandalfs #5160-5170, hoping his intended target is among them somewhere...

? 5160-5170?

[gandalf5166]

Yeah, Poro's definitely high >.>

[gandalf5166]

Okay, faraday is no longer on my null list. He's town.

[gandalf5166]

Intresting.
I didn't die.
And Andrius didn't die.

unvote
vote andrius

Serious.

A. Why would you die? B. Andrius got BG'd, pay attention.
Methinks ooba recruited Friend last night. For in thread reasons, obviously.

[gandalf5166]

Lulz, forgot to

Aim: ooba

[gandalf5166]

I think 3 is the one we're running with. And I don't think scum have a kill. I think that zwet and ooba might be the only killing roles in the game, which destroys my ooba recruiter theory, but doesn't say that ooba can't be scum.

[gandalf5166]

ooba: Why would you kill Zwet? I know you said you suspected him yesterday, but could you explain again? Because I still don't get it; he seemed obvtown.

Not to me he didn't ...

I'm not untargetable ..

This isn't an explanation, and you aren't helping your case.

[gandalf5166]

Also, problem with my no mafiakill theory: zwet killed dram?

[gandalf5166]

Xvart, there were no NKs that couldn't be accounted for by the loose cannons. I said zwet and ooba because they were the only claimed ones and I didn't know they were oneshot. Now I think there are probably a few of them, but I still don't think scum has a NK.

[gandalf5166]

Pretty sure that was zwet, from his play yesterday I wouldn't be surprised if he shot dram.

[gandalf5166]

Yes, but there are two scumgroups. Of course, it's possible that we got a roleblock. It's just a feeling. Plus, wouldn't it make sense? Balancewise?

[gandalf5166]

SCUMLYNCH IS GO!!!!!!!\!!!!!one!!!!1111!!!!eleven!!!11!!!11

[gandalf5166]

Ooh, a Chrono lynch is happening? I suggested that yesterday, let's do this shit.

VOTE: Chrono

[gandalf5166]

Oh, you said you were confirmable yesterday? That's just the icing on the cake. You're "potentially" confirmable?

[gandalf5166]

Oh lol. Chrono just has a role that he thinks other people can confirm, ooba-style.

[gandalf5166]

RC, WTF HAPPENED TO YOUR AVI?

[gandalf5166]

2. ooba is playing like he plays as scum (check out his meta if you don't agree with me)

Please do.

RC, do you think
- That lynching a cult recruiter is better than lynching a cult recruit ?
- I am a cult recruiter?

Lol. Are you claiming recruited?

[gandalf5166]

OOH, FRIEND LYNCH? I suggested this yesterday even before the Chrono lynch, and I'm FAR more confident Friend will flip scum. If some people switch over there, I'd be happy to join them.

[gandalf5166]

A chronopie lynch would work for me.

Gandalf why arent you leading by example?

Because I feel like I'm being a little too trigger-happy with my vote. >.>

[gandalf5166]

Ok but suggesting you would move over there anyway still makes you trigger happy.

I'm aware. >.>

[gandalf5166]

O HAI ROBO

[gandalf5166]

YOU WILL LIKE WHO VEZO IS VOTING

[gandalf5166]

I only read the first two pages and I already feel my predecessors actions were stupid. No duh theres a recruiting ability in the game. It only said that in Flays game description.

This is going to be a Looooooong read.

Yes, and you'll be groaning for your player slot the whole way through. Vezok was town, but stupid town.

[gandalf5166]

But I like the constant posting. Gives me something to do. And plus, then you don't have a giant WoT.

[gandalf5166]

Yes, but the amount to read isn't any higher, the topic just looks more formidable. And I already explained that to Poro, Friend >.> I just don't want to switch my vote to a wagon that goes nowhere >.>

[gandalf5166]

I don't think either scumteam has an NK.

[gandalf5166]

The only obstacle there is that no townie would have shot dram/you. But that can be solved by a LC being recruited N0. Which makes ooba look bad. :/

[gandalf5166]

Limited? Meaning?

[gandalf5166]

I am both not limited but at the same time very much limited. You might be able to guess my role.

[gandalf5166]

I don't think my role should cause anything to fall into place.

[gandalf5166]

Chrono. So all this rolefishing was a mistake? >.> /facepalm

[gandalf5166]

Well, if the LC's weren't oneshot they'd be a little too appealing for the cult.

[gandalf5166]

I'm actually operating under the assumption that Andy has been recruited. But that doesn't mean he's a good lynch target. He's still a cop, and he's a recruited, not a recruiter.

[gandalf5166]

I think LC could possibly be a pretty common role.

[gandalf5166]

Sorry, note my sig, but I will hammer tomorrow(?) if he doesn't claim, not sure when deadline is, don't have time to check.

[gandalf5166]

Aim: Robo

<3 Sera
That's just the kind of jackass thing vezo would do too.

[gandalf5166]

Friend's probably the other recruiter. But Robo's all but confirmed.

[gandalf5166]

Friend's probably the other recruiter. But Robo's all but confirmed.

By this, I mean confirmed recruiter, not town, obv.

[gandalf5166]

Okay, so you admit Robo is scum. Vote then. Who the hell would recruit me? And yeah, there's that small chance that I'm a recruiter, but after we lynch Robo and Friend, that chance is gone, so.

[gandalf5166]

Your play just feels wrong.

[gandalf5166]

Yes, I admit that it seems very likely, but... vezok flaking from the site, and Seraphim replacing out,

"all-but-confirms"

vezo/Robo as recruiter... how?

This reads to me like excited scum trying to push a quick lynch on opposing scum.

I agree,

holster, aim gandalf

I think its pretty clear why both flaked from the game.

I also don't like this post. If Robo is scum, Poro seems a likely scumbuddy.

It's like he's using my post as an excuse to attack gandalf with a chainsaw.

:goodposting:
Also, the more I think about it, the more I think there's only one scumteam, and both sons are on it, with the second one acting as a usurper/backup probably.

[gandalf5166]

Wait, is succession like, a movie or something?

[gandalf5166]

N1 action? Also, I need to look back at vezok's iso.......

[gandalf5166]

RC is not the recruit. I guarantee that.

Vezok isn't the recruiter. UNVOTE:

[gandalf5166]

That's from Watchmen. Seriously, greatest graphic novel ever, if you haven't read it, then read it.

[gandalf5166]

Oh sawd faice. I'm the biggest wagon. That said, I don't particularly see any reasons for voting me, other than that I was on a bad wagon?

[gandalf5166]

Is everyone forgetting the mod-flavor last night with the lesbian sex? Seems like mod-confirmation that Chrono was roleblocked to me.

[gandalf5166]

How else do you explain that bit of flavor?

[gandalf5166]

I haven't. But I'm planning to use it today on town consensus. If I'm recruited, I want to be useless to them.

This is a guaranteed lie. This is not P2W.

[gandalf5166]

Hang on a second.
Robo, how about you nameclaim, and claim what you'll do after the town wins. Also, is your rolename really "Cult Doctor"? Because I'm a Cop but called "Enforcer".
We need more credibility.

Yo bro, remember this?

I'm a Consigiliere (I hope I spelled that right lol) and my Italian name is Salvatore.

I read through the whole ruleset to make sure I was allowed to do this.

But what do you want to do later?

[gandalf5166]

???

Gonna have to rephrase that. What do you mean?

Also, not a single person responded to my "Won't I be recruited tonight?" theory.

All the town role PMs have a section in their WC that states what they want to do after this whole fiasco is over.

[gandalf5166]

Did ooba ever tell us what he wants to do with his life?

xvart.

Good catch. I don't believe he did.

[gandalf5166]

I am willing to vote Friend. Let me look back at a VC so I can get a look at the leading wagons though, I don't think he's one of them, and there was something I was waiting for from someone, but I can't remember what it is.
Never mind, he is. LESSA GO!

Aim:Friend

Top three lynch candidates ARE: Friend, SS, and Porochaz, in that order.

[gandalf5166]

Although he could potentially be recruiter-scum.

[gandalf5166]

I answered that question. Try reading the thread. It's tech. >.>

[gandalf5166]

Top three lynch candidates ARE: Friend, SS, and Porochaz, in that order.

[gandalf5166]

CHRIST I DONT HAVE ENOUGH TIME TO READ THAT WALL BY RC. ITS GOOD TO KNOW HES TOWN THO.

[gandalf5166]

Okay, I have more time than I thought.
Conveniently, my recruiter list is just like RC's, with the addition of slight suspicion of Poro. However, I think Poro would be a bit more low key if he was recruiter, so he's probably just a recruit. And could have been a N0 recruit, looking back at his play D1.
If I were recruiter, I would have replaced out, because my scumteam would be screwed.
And btw, simple logic says I'm not recruited. Who the hell would recruit me? Although I do hope to be recruited, cause town is pretty screwed as of now. However, I'm playing towards my CURRENT WC, not my potential one, so don't worry.

Question for Yos: Was M=W a member of your faction, or the opposing one?
It's kind of weird knowing someone is scum, but not being able to lynch him >.>

[gandalf5166]

I haven't claimed yet, Andy. Also, Poro is definitely a member of the non-Yos cult, playing jester because he knows if we lynch him, we almost certainly win.

[gandalf5166]

Because. If you can distract us and get us to lynch you, your recruiter won't get lynched, meaning that you can continue recruiting, and likely win.

[gandalf5166]

Do you have another explanation for him repeatedly being an ass?

[gandalf5166]

Haven't we just been discussing that they WILL win by lynching themselves? And that's why we're gunning for a recruiter instead of confirmed recruit Yos?

[gandalf5166]

Yos knows fully well that he has to work with us. If we don't lynch the other cult's recruiter SOON, his cult automatically loses. His info should be taken with a grain of salt, but it's not worthless.

[gandalf5166]

I don't think that anyone, this entire game, has called you RC. Pretty sure that you're referred to by pretty much everyone as Robo.

[gandalf5166]

Also, I too am disappointed by the lack of a mason recruiter. In fact, when Flay said there would be multiple recruiters, I assumed that he said multiple because one of them would be a mason. :/

Aim:Erg0

Lurking to victory isn't going to work, brudda.

[gandalf5166]

ooba is scum with Erg0.
Moving on.

Dammit, Andy, you couldn't have waited one minute to say that so I could say it first?

[gandalf5166]

Let's have a mass claim ..

lolscum

[gandalf5166]

Actually, I had totally forgotten about the ooba investigations. Since we now know that people are explicitly told if they are roleblocked, that's not a valid explanation. We're back to the ooba recruiter/SS recruited theory from D2. RC WINS. Also, I'm believing Yos simply because it doesn't make that much of a difference. Therefore, there's no reason for him to lie. Maybe his cult is larger than he says. That just means town has already lost, in which case we don't care anymore.

VOTE: ooba

[gandalf5166]

LOL. RC just admitted I have a brain.
That said, here's my plan:
1.Vote ooba
2.Wait for the flip
3. Read the red flip
4.??????
5.PROFIT!!!!!!!!

[gandalf5166]

Ugh. Poro/RC argument is totally TL;DR.

[gandalf5166]

Damn, I like the new guy. Doing all the hard work for me.
*sips cream soda*

[gandalf5166]

I'll switch as soon as Yos checks in and answers or refuses to answer Darox's questions. Depending on his answer.

[gandalf5166]

Yeah, I'm orange in my vote, but when it shows my wagon, I'm full red.

[gandalf5166]

Ummm........ you two are green?

[gandalf5166]

I liked the TL;DR best.

[gandalf5166]

I'd act really eager to be investigated, but then you'd think I was a recruiter..... >.>

[gandalf5166]

Nope. If you're the recruiter of the big team, you've practically already won. We'd literally have to lynch from your team repeatedly for the next couple of days, even if we got rid of you(the recruiter). So you wouldn't be nearly that important anymore, because you've already done your job.

[gandalf5166]

I think......... ooba is Yos's cult leader. That's why he's not answering our question, is because he knows it's incriminating.

[gandalf5166]

Wow lol. Is there any reason behind my lynch other than the fact that I happen to be getting bored of a 105-page game?

[gandalf5166]

If we no-lynch, we will almost certainly lose.

[gandalf5166]

Yeah, ooba-recruits found. Darox, LG, and possibly Yos. In fact, if Yos posts without hammering, I will assume they're in the same cult.

[gandalf5166]

Erg0 lynch is fine by me. They're both recruiters, and it's now pretty clear that ooba is the small cult recruiter, so Erg0 takes higher priority I guess. That said, I think Quagmire replaced Erg0?

VOTE: Quagmire

[gandalf5166]

I'm Agostino, a Goon.

*sigh*

What the fuck just happened? That wagon happened WAY too fast to be anything BUT cult-coordinated.

[gandalf5166]

That's a point. post-game goal is?

My Pm is word for word exactly the same as the example. Why would Flay provide an example PM if the real PMs were going to look different?

[gandalf5166]

No, that's the vanilla townie role PM, word for word. Did you notice that Friend was also opening a pizzeria?

[gandalf5166]

Oh, and you'll have to lynch anybody that claims VT after this, cause if they were actually VT they would back me up.

[gandalf5166]

I am both not limited but at the same time very much limited. You might be able to guess my role.

Explain this, gandalf.

Well, there are no limits on how I use my abilities, since I don't have any. Pretty simple really.

[gandalf5166]

Actually you don't have to, your claiming a role which can't be confirmed by another player therefore your still in the "easily could be a recruiter" category. A lynch on you at this stage in the game is the best option at the moment.

You believe that there aren't ANY VTs still left alive?

[gandalf5166]

I am both not limited but at the same time very much limited. You might be able to guess my role.

Explain this, gandalf.

Well, there are no limits on how I use my abilities, since I don't have any. Pretty simple really.

As for why the hell I said it, I was trying to draw a nightkill/recruitment. I'm actually pretty sad I haven't been recruited yet.

[gandalf5166]

I'm actually town. Also, my PM has THREE extra words. Otherwise it would be exactly the same as the sample.

After my lynch, ooba is pretty obviously large cult recruiter. No other explanation for the speed of my wagon. Peace out guys. Sucks that I didn't get recruited.

[gandalf5166]

Meaning that I'm not on every single second of the day?

[gandalf5166]

I got lynched because ooba was a recruiter, not because I was actually scummy. I still don't see anything resembling a case against me. Except by you. Because you're the only townie on the wagon. You're right that I suck at being town though. I actually do a better job of being a townie when I'm scum. :/ I'll read that.

[gandalf5166]

someone like Yos, Glork, or SpyreX

When the heck did SpyreX get on the same level as these guys?

It's called the CAPS LAWKE ALLIANCE. It's tech.

Because you're the only townie on the wagon.

You forget that RC isn't town-aligned. I'd bet an investigation that he has already been recruited.

Maybe. If he is though, he's on the non-ooba scumteam.

I got lynched because ooba was a recruiter, not because I was actually scummy.

Keep telling yourself that.

I played badly, but nothing I did could have been interpreted as having scum motivations.

[gandalf5166]

Wait, so all the surviving town at the end of the game were automatically recruited? Or is the flavor just confusing me?

[gandalf5166]

This game pisses me off.

[gandalf5166]

Xvart was the only recruit. They told us in the Dead QT.

[gandalf5166]

Something about this game just leaves a bad taste in my mouth. Like I lost just because I didn't get recruited.

[gandalf5166]

BTW, the reason for the no result on ooba is that all Loose Cannons gave no results. They weren't told that though.

[gandalf5166]

I don't see any problem with the lynches of Gandalf, Furc, Friend, or Robocopter. Faraday was a legitimate mistake.

Whoa Whoa Whoa,

Let me point out that lynching me was the stupidest idea ever. I was clearly who i said I was. And if I wasn't I would be a recruit. Me being a recruiter was just the stupidest idea.

I don't know how you actually believed for one second that I was a recruiter.

Because of the way you were acting so damn pissy, I actually assumed you were a recruit playing jester. Until M=W told me that you were town.

[gandalf5166]

I dont think Flay would ever stick a jester in a setup, particularly one years in the making.

I said recruit playing jester. As in, trying to get lynched.