Succession Mafia (OVER!)

[ooba]

Aim: Lord Gurgi

General vibe of not wanting to step on anyone's toes and draw attention to himself.

[ooba]

Quick thoughts
- furclow's Harry potter meta leads me to think he's town. (or) is he playing to that cause both Reaper and me are in this game? Furclow, can I have 2 scum meta games of yours please?
- "Reaper is either not scum or one of the brothers."
But didn't ya say the brothers are cultish hence scum?

[ooba]

Scum
11. Lord Gurgi
13. Porochaz

Town
16. TheLonging
6. Faraday
9. gandalf5166
5. Erg0
17. vezokpiraka

Friend is most likely town too. Reasoning is based on
- When a particular person chose to attack another
- What topics were commented on\ignored

[ooba]

I'm afraid I can't follow your reasoning if you give me so little to work with. Could you elaborate?

I'll have more detailed cases as the game continues but I discovered that the above is a decent heuristic for finding scum.

For example, Porochaz's P.139 - the "absolute" attack on Friend is pretty weak. He does it right after Friend says LG (and zwet) are prob. scum. Might be a chainsaw.

[ooba]

LG, I realize that you cannot defend yourself against a chainsaw claim since it was done by another person. However, I don't think I've voted anyone for a lack of concrete case behind a vote. I respect vibes since that's how I scumhunt.

Friend, I've found that looking for connections on D1 improves my D1 hunting.

Furcolow, Town reads based on
Vezo - claim + timing of claim (early claim which he thought would help town)
gandalf - generally get the feeling that he's far too reckless to be scum
TheLonging - Secret reasons. He looks like a loose cannon.
erg0, Faraday - vibe

I find myself agreeing with Faraday the most in this game - Regarding RC, let him post some more and I'll give you a definite read on him.

[ooba]

- I really do not understand Porochaz's insistence on Friend scum
- Faraday's really buddying up to friend - beyond the call of duty of a townie who even has a certain read - Could be recruit buddying up to somebody else to paint him as CL but I'll still put Faraday under townie though ..
- Friend's WIFOM about recruiting is bad town play

- Andruis you have to post more or take more stances before I can slot you on the list. I'm confused about furclow because like Yos it started with a town read then went to "Oh is he scum?" when he started saying he was lying and stuff .. HP mafia still plays on my mind though ..

- @animorph actually appears useful this game. I'll need to read a scum game of his.

- @Vezo, whats up with the ultra dram defense? And you never answered my question about "one of the brothers or scum" bit ..

- @TL, if you think "I think M=W is scum if you're town or vice versa", why would you vote anyone but one of those?

- Yos's list basically attacks everyone I think is town (except furclow). Zwet's "Why did Yos put me under town?" might be opportunistic considering that people were going on the experienced people getting recruited bit.

- I believe Friend vs Yos is town on town and RC is cheerleading the fight.

- Andruis is town for not fueling the fight. zwet chooses a different corner. 515 also reinforces my vibe that RC is cheerleading a Town-Town fight. (Well from his PoV if there are two scum teams, I guess he's cheerleading a non-his-team-member x2 fight)

- 554 Furclow votes for one person out of Yos-Friend while he feels the "other is squirming as scum"

Hence to summarize - I believe Yos vs Friend is town on town and scum from both teams are spurring it on. That'd be
- RC
- Zwet
- Furclow

Unvote. Vote: RC

[ooba]

@RC, so you're basically responding to my accusations of cheerleading by bringing out some other point and debating that.

I never said I agreed with Faraday about your case .. I just thought that most of Faraday's actions and thoughts resonated well with mine. Repeating again that this has no relevance to the cheerleading point.

@Gandalf in a game with an already fast pace, I am not sure if Ythan's posting style is appropriate. I'd prefer single posts.

@ Andruis, I wont go into detail about what I mean by stances since you can then play according to my tells but a town\scum list is not what I am referring to.

Well RC has actively not answered my case so I'll see how that goes. No opinion on dram so far.

"HP Mafia still plays on my mind, and has already influenced this game in ways you don't know yet." - You recruited furclow or RC?

@Vezo
You said RC was "One of the brothers or scum" but aren't the brothers scum?

[ooba]

Well I'm not seeing much of quality going on. The level of lucidity behind the Andrius wagon is astonishing, I might be on it if I wasn't absolutely convinced about Friend.

Ooba: I thought you were town until that post you just made.

I don't understand the people with no vote out or the people on a lynch that is not going anywhere.

But here's the big deal. What in the name of all that is good in this world is going on with this alliance trash? You don't make alliances in a real game. This isn't a chat game, and this definitely isn't epicmafia. It's not helpful for the town, it's dumb, and it's annoying. Just stop.

I keep my vote on whoever I find the most suspicious. If its nearing deadline, I will shift.

And I thought you at least read the thread until this post you just made. I didn't involve myself with any alliance talk ..

[ooba]

Maybe I am wrong about RC .. Anyway would like to see an Andrius flip ..

Holster. Aim: Andrius

[ooba]

Also I am about to start a re-read for this game .. Going to be searching for 2 scum groups of 2 members each where one is more important than the other .. Vezo did you answer Yos's question about how the recruitment process happens in the game?

[ooba]

Dram came back only because of threats of his imminent lynch. Kill him NAO

- Just curious - you think that's indicative of alignment? I would do that as a townie too ...
- 9 games and 3 modding games is mind-blowing .. I don't think I can handle that even if I had all 24 hours for the site ...
- No, I don't have any game relevant content .. I'd be happier with a Andrius flip than a dramonic flip but right now I'm happy with any flip and the day to end ..

[ooba]

Just ISO'd dram and Andrius to look up the claims ..

Dram: Bodyguard. D0 on Yos.
Andrius: Cop

Andrius, D0 investigation please .. I don't know why you didn't claim it so far ..

[ooba]

You know set-up wise, a day-cop would have made much more sense .. Avoids the NAR issue ..

[ooba]

Holster. Aim: reaper charlie

We should have time for this ..

[ooba]

Also andrius must claim his investigation target

[ooba]

So we have Andrius claiming Investigative (cop), with Innocent on RC, and Furcolow claiming Investigative (rolecop?),

with no N0 action.

Who missed his N0 action

Based upon my role pm, though, I am fairly certain I am the one that always gets townie checks

Rolename and name please ..

[ooba]

I'm not a recruiter ..
I am a loose cannon and I killed zwet ..

[ooba]

ooba: Why would you kill Zwet? I know you said you suspected him yesterday, but could you explain again? Because I still don't get it; he seemed obvtown.

Not to me he didn't ...

I'm not untargetable ..

[ooba]

So, possibilities I can think of:

1. Andreus is scum.
2. Scum group A roleblocekd Andreus, scum group B killed Dramonic.
3. Andreus didn't get roleblocked, which would probably make ooba untargatable. Considering ooba claimed, and isn't claming untargatable, this would probably make ooba scum.

It's either 1 or 3, and I believe Andrius over ooba for MILES, so I'm gonna go with it probably being option 3.

Time to lynch ooba, please.

Zwet (or some other loose cannon) killed dram ..

A loose cannon is a one-shot limited vig/doublevoter ..
I have a bullet with me ..
If I shoot it at a player in the day, it becomes a double vote which cannot be changed ..
At night, I am one-shot vig ..

I decided to use my bullet yesterday night ..

[ooba]

Setup spec:
- 2 Recruiters
- Investigative roles as town needs em to help against cult
+ Bunch of other roles which start out pro-town but help cult if recruited
-- Bodyguard (Can protect recruiter from vig)
-- Loose cannon (Vig can kill people who suspect recruiter; It is nerfed since it is one-shot)

[ooba]

-You seem to know know the

scum

didn't kill dram.
-You killed ZWET, one of my top

town

reads.
-You've been pretty useless throughout the game.

Die next, por favor.

- Your cult can recruit or kill theory is wrong
But lets assume your cult can kill or recruit theory is right, which is better - adding a person to my scum group hence increasing the clout of the group (or) kill someone ...
Recruiting is twice as useful as killing ..
- Irrelevant - he was not on my town reads
- So? I can name at least 2 other people who were more useless .. And how is that indicative of alignment?

RC is scum. I hope one of my loose cannon brothers kills you ..

[ooba]

Also ooba, I think it's pretty darn obvious that Flay sprinkled roles throughout the game that could be useful to both town and scum, so you get a resounding ZERO usefulness points for your setup speculation.

Really?
- I said "2 Recruiters" so I do not think they can kill. If they want kills, they need loose cannons
- Refutes points like "I do not think there will be x of such pro-town role in the game" ..

[ooba]

I'm kind of doubting that there are 3 pro-town vigs in the game

On second thought...there theoretically could be, in a multi-cult-recruiter game. It would make the game much more swingy and random, and I still don't think it's likely, but it's not impossible. I guess getting a counterclaim might be pointless here.

Looking back at Andreus's posts day 1, he did say that "something bad" would happen if he targeted the brothers. Did you ever get clarification on that? Could "not getting a result" (and the whole "getting suckerpunched" thing or whatever) be what the mod meant?

No - The lack of a counterclaim confirms my kill ...

Only question you have to ask yourself is "Do you think I was recruited N0?" ..

You're stretching with the "something bad"="not getting a result" part ..

[ooba]

-You've been pretty useless throughout the game.

So? I can name at least 2 other people who were more useless .. And how is that indicative of alignment?

It's indicative for YOU. Because you're usually a pretty useful guy, and very pro-town as town.

I can point at least one town game where I am pretty useless for the most part ..
Can you point out one scum game where I was useless?
Preview: Again I have upped my posting level as I was wagoned as town - why is this an alignment tell?

@Yos
- That's what I think the setup is - A cult which can just recruit
"Well, a lot of cult groups can't recruit either pro-town power roles,

or members of the other cult group.

"
If this was the case, then it makes even more sense to recruit early to make sure the other group fails more often later.

"Why were you that confident he was scum, ooba?"
I wasn't but he was MY top scum read. Killing made sense since I hoped to hit the recruiter.

Andruis got roleblocked ..

[ooba]

Furcolow, Town reads based on
Vezo - claim + timing of claim (early claim which he thought would help town)
gandalf - generally get the feeling that he's far too reckless to be scum

TheLonging - Secret reasons. He looks like a loose cannon.

erg0, Faraday - vib

Pretty much destroys your "Ooba made that up after zwet's flip" theory ..

@Yos: If it helps your analysis - If I am a recruiter who recruited a cannon, I did it on N0 ..

[ooba]

So; either ooba is a loose cannon (who might or might not have been recruited), or else he recruited a loose cannon night zero and then instantly started to breadcrumb for a loose cannon claim. That kind of strategy would be brilliant, but it's probably not that likely. (Also, if ooba was a loose cannon who got recruited, that wouldn't actually explain the failed cop investigation at all.)

Ok. I want to hear from Andreius, but I don't think we want to lynch ooba today; he's probably either town, or a recruited loose cannon who already used up his kill; either way, we've got bigger fish to fry. Especially after that disaster at the end of day 1, our goal needs to be to lynch a recruiter today.

Good. Although I should point out that you've ignored the case where I had a loose cannon fakeclaim ..

[ooba]

Andrius, without getting modkilled, can you tell us what exactly happened when you targeted RC on night 0 and me on night 1?

[ooba]

Holster ; Aim Chronopie.

Ooba wagon is shit and filled with awful human beings. Switch over and stuff.

Lol .. Catching up ..

[ooba]

2. ooba is playing like he plays as scum (check out his meta if you don't agree with me)

Please do.

RC, do you think
- That lynching a cult recruiter is better than lynching a cult recruit ?
- I am a cult recruiter?

[ooba]

2. ooba is playing like he plays as scum (check out his meta if you don't agree with me)

Please do.

RC, do you think
- That lynching a cult recruiter is better than lynching a cult recruit ?
- I am a cult recruiter?

Lol. Are you claiming recruited?

No. I am just pointing out that he's pushing a case when all signs point to the fact that I cannot be a cult recruiter ..

[ooba]

Ok, lets analyze your case on me

1. ooba is acting shifty/scummy
4. ooba is letting others argue about him without defending himself too much, hoping the heat will die down without him having to say much (and possibly slip up). exactly what a godfather/recruiter would do.

I guessing 1 is due to the lack of any posting this game. Both reasons can be attributed to the fact that I've been busy lately. It is only scummy if I lurked in this game over others but my posting levels are consistent across all games.

2. ooba is playing like he plays as scum (check out his meta if you don't agree with me)

This is wrong.

5. the ooba wagon is juicy and delicious.

Good point

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3. ooba has a 'no-result' cop investigation on him last night

So this is the only point in your case against me ..

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Because my investigation-flavor results lead me to believe that someone else visited him after I did.
I have an Innocent on someone else. I knocked them out and searched their room, came up as innocent. I then heard a noise coming and left the room.

I did get to sucker-punch someone in the face last night. Had fun knocking their ass out.
And again, that "noise" made me duck back down the hall before I could put any more punishment on him.

Where did you sucker-punch someone? In my house, on the way there?

[ooba]

What signs, ooba?

And yes, we've all agreed that killing a recruiter is better than killing a recruited.
Srsly tho, is that really your best and/or only counter to my attack on you?

If so, that's pathetically weak.

Deflection. Answer the question - Do you think I am a cult recruiter or not?

[ooba]

As far as Andrius's results go, I can only say that I was
- Busy elsewhere (Was waiting close to zwet's door to kill him)
- was not the one suckerpunched

- Andrius lying is a possibility but he appears genuine
- Pretty sure that Andirus's flavor indicates it wasn't a roleblocking .. Can't be a JK on me because my kill went through ..

Looking through wiki to see if I can find something

[ooba]

I can't believe the Faraday wagon, built on nothing but hopes and dreams, is winning compared to the guy whose defense is basically a logical argument that suggests he is not the recruiter but says nothing of him being recruited and how we should not consider him because he isn't the recruiter.

So unlike RC, you agree with the part where I am not a cult recruiter but still think its a good idea to lynch me because I might be recruited?

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@Andrius
RC: "I knocked them out and searched their room, came up as innocent. I then heard a noise coming and left the room."

ooba: "I did get to sucker-punch someone in the face last night. Had fun knocking their ass out.
And again, that "noise" made me duck back down the hall before I could put any more punishment on him."

Are you sure its the same "noise" (i.e similar sources) on both nights?
You're leaving out some key flavor element or lying here .. Because ..
- If its a roleblocker making the "noise" to distract you and chase you away, you shouldn't have got a result on N0 too ..

RC, I have a question for you - Lets say you lynch me - I'll flip town. What explanation can you give for the above then?

[ooba]

ooba

I think this "noise" is some generic little mod shenanigan explaining why I don't just investigate and masonize people, see?

How do you explain the innocent on RC then?

[ooba]

ooba

I think this "noise" is some generic little mod shenanigan explaining why I don't just investigate and masonize people, see?
So I doubt the noise is anything significant, unless someone is perpetually tracking me/ watching my targets...

So you're saying the "noise" is just something that makes you run away..

- You might be a role which cannot investigate power roles which use their abilities that day .. People go out of their houses .. You come back to beat out info out of them but it's too late in the night to get a proper investigation ..
- You were not roleblocked N0 but were roleblocked yesterday .. Using the word "noise" again was just Flay's way of keeping it ambiguous so that you cannot say for sure that you were roleblocked ..

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@Xvart:

I don't really care if you are recruiter or recruited; the fact that your defense is not "I am not a member of a cult" is so scummy because you thought you were perceived as not being a recruiter so you were trying to get people to focus on the more important recruiter while never addressing the accusation of being a cult member.

I do not like making a logically incorrect statement. My defense is "I cannot be a cult recruiter" (except in the cases of recruiting a loose cannon N0 or getting a loose cannon fakeclaim). The statement "I cannot be part of a cult" is wrong because I could have been recruited either night and still got my shot off. (<spec>I do not think roles lose their abilities when recruited - otherwise the bodyguard serves no purpose*</spec> - *unless you're a fan of the cult might also kill theory)

If it makes you feel better, I am not a member of any cult. There isn't any "cult member" specific accusation for me to counter.

[ooba]

I like the setup spec .. Scum starting with a loose cannon makes sense ..

In fact, I think scum might have also had a choice to recruit any of the roles (LC, Roleblocker, BG) during N0 .. Something without the player name mentioned ..

"You have the choice to take aside one person entering the Calagesi villa and talking to them. Who do you wish to talk to?
- A, who was a trusted bodyguard of your father and made sure he was never in harm's way
- B, who was too aggressive for his own good but no one denied that the last bullet in his gun would be useful
- C, who had the power to stop men in their tracks with his words"

So if the person chose B, one of the LCs would have been recruited at random.

Also I see four LCs in this game total ..

[ooba]

If I was right though, I call bragging rights at the end of the game.

To be clear, you can brag only if I was cult recruiter (or) recruited as on D2.

The pure wretched nature of the case makes me want to lynch its main proponents.

So why don't you?

ooba (ReaperCharlie, animorpherv1, singersigner, xvart)

Out of these
- singer might be recruited because its odd that I should get a vote from him after the role confirm. But not cult leader.
- RC has a innocent? on him .. I also think Andrius might die if he targets the cult leader
- I didn't like xvart's "I don't care if you're recruiter or recruited part" but he's stuck to his suspicions of him .. Not calling him town yet but I would rather lynch someone who jumped onto my wagon early in the day and jumped off quickly enough when it was quite apparent I wasn't a cult leader ..

ooba (ReaperCharlie, Chronopie, gandalf5166, vezokpiraka, animorpherv1)

Vezo is some unique investigative role??
RC has stuck to the wagon.
ani is there but not a concisous choice I believe - cause he did not post.
Hence Chronopie and gandalf are scum.

Interestingly Chrono is voting for Faraday and Faraday & gandalf are voting for Chronopie. Pretty weak reasons all round here ..

Chronopie (Faraday, gandalf5166, Erg0)

I can buy the Faraday wagon .. I can switch over to gandalf or chrono if somebody can get the numbers ..

Aim: Faraday

[ooba]

Interestingly Chrono is voting for Faraday and Faraday & gandalf are voting for Chronopie. Pretty weak reasons all round here ..

If it wasn't obvious, weak reasons might imply inside info for the scum ..

[ooba]

A lynch needs to happen soon - I want to go to D3, I really have no idea what's going on.

You want to go to D3 or N2?

[ooba]

Faraday

, gandalf5166, Erg0, xvart, Friend, Lord Gurgi, Andrius, Flameaxe, Robocopter87, singersigner

Still two more votes required .. Go for it .. If he doesn't want to claim, its his funeral ..

[ooba]

There's less than 10 hours to deadline

.. I don't see any town player waiting so long before claiming - townies should claim in advance so that the lynch can move on .. Scum would postpone claiming if they have a good fake claim prepared and hope it'll derail their lynch and get another person lynched ..

[ooba]

[7] Faraday (Yosarian2, Chronopie, inHimshallibe, Me=Weird, ReaperCharlie, ooba, Porochaz)

With seventeen alive, it will take nine drawn guns to execute someone.

...

Just an update on the clock, since no votes have changed.

VOTE: Farady

L-1 now ..

Also there are few scenarios in which Faraday might avoid claiming his role as town but we'll know in a few ..

[ooba]

Target please .

[ooba]

Believe Robo's claim .. Sounds believable ..

- Chrono could be lying to frame Andrius (i.e why block someone else when there's a cop around)
-- Point in favor: Chrono actually getting a flavor hint about being RB'd when Flay told me targets will not get info about certain actions (basically when I asked him if I will know if I was suckerpunched)

Andrius, flavor for Lord Gurgi's investigation\result please?

[ooba]

Lets make a "Cannot be a cult recruiter" list ..
ooba
singersigner -> loose cannon play. Although recent play leans towards "Recruited"
Andrius
Lord Gurgi
ReaperCharlie
Robocopter87

Talking about any of the above is a waste of time until we hit the recruiters.

Porochaz
xvart
Friend
Chronopie -> Leaning towards not being a recruiter too
Erg0
Yosarian2
gandalf5166
Flameaxe
Andrius
inHimshallibe

ISO these folks and give your picks for recruiter .. I'll be searching for behaviour wherein the person tries to lie low - not get into conflict much - or somebody else drawing the heat away from this person ..

[ooba]

Nonsense.. That list was to avoid any topic like "They would have probably recruited Andrius yesterday" which is pointless ..

Stop making this an argument about lists and let people know who you think the cult recruiters are .. Or if you think one of those in my "cannot be recruiter list" is a recruiter ..

[ooba]

Responding to xvart - I didn't have time to actually go back and re-read the game.

Yeah, but a scum lynch is better than a town lynch.
If we can hit scum over town, let's do it. If we can hit a recruiter, let's do it. But for now, we should at least hit scum.

Fairly early enough in the day - You're not even trying to find scum ..

[ooba]

1. ooba and singersigner are scum together
2. ooba is recruiter and signersigner is loose cannon (OR) singersigner is recruiter and ooba is loose cannon (herp)
3. they used the fact that they both knew about the loose cannon role to conveniently create an also-claim opportunity

4. they figured they could 'substantiate' her claim later by letting her claim her faction's kill as her own

5. they both FELT TO ME like they sorta acted like "whew, they bought it" just after they claimed
6. they both laid relatively low for a while before just recently starting their "scumhunting" again
7. even the scumhunting they have done is not really scumhunting, it's just more of... trying to skate.

Then singersinger's plan of using the bullet at L-2 should directly contradict this point.

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Vote: gandalf

Call it gut but he's a recruiter .. (from ISO)

[ooba]

It's confirmable in thread RC - thelonging made it obvious that he was a loose cannon .. I don't need to see it happen because I know it can and will happen ..

And if I have read your posts right:
a) I am a cult recruiter and singersinger is a recruit (N0)
b) Chrono\Andrius are suspicious of being my recruit(s) since they blindlessly wagon'd
Are you really that dense to believe that two recruits would wagon their cult recruiter??

P.S: You got your eye on Andrius as one of my potential recruits when there is no way he can be a N1\N2 recruit (Robo's claim)

Preview: singersinger is obviously recruited but wants to confirm role ..

[ooba]

I cannot believe that people would be dumb enough to think of far fetched conspiracy theories to fit ooba-ss in. I can think of two scenarios:

a) - singersinger is recruited
- The opposite team has something - I'd guess a recruited result on singersinger
RC is recruited. xvart too.

Team 1: RC, xvart.

Team 2: N1: singersinger

b)- They have the scum roleblocker
- They did not roleblock Andrius N1, therefore think that an ambiguous result on me = "Other Recruiter" status ..

Either way an RC-xvart pairing looks likely. I'd still go with gandalf being head of the other recruiting team.

Vote: xvart

[ooba]

Um. ooba? If you believe gandalf is the head of the other recruiting team, why are you UNVOTING gandalf, to vote xvart?
Can you spell.... O-M-G-U-S?

Simple enough right .. I am more sure about the fact that my wagon has scum in it than the gut gandalf read ..

From a scum PoV, I won't real push a ooba wagon because my crumb, kill on zwet make it likely that I am what I claim to be. The only reason scum would push it, even in the face of the evidence and other unconvinced town, is because they think I am the opposite Godfather.

[ooba]

Did ooba ever tell us what he wants to do with his life?

xvart.

I don't think anybody asked .. I want to be a cop ..

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Good catch. I don't believe he did.

Why is it a good catch

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My top lynch candidates are: xvart and gandalf
You (RC) are recruited but cannot be recruiter due to night actions so waste of a lynch ..
Similarly on singersinger ..

Also singersinger should shoot herself .. Scum would then have to decide between roleblocking her and Andrius or Robo ..

[ooba]

Also singersinger should shoot herself .. Scum would then have to decide between roleblocking her and Andrius or Robo ..

This doesn't make any sense?!? Why would I do the work of scum for them??

What doesn't make sense is you saving up the kill for two nights while there were recruiters around ..
A scummy person claims a vig - correct play is for them to shoot themselves - saves a lynch ..

[ooba]

Yos, since you seem to be in a sharing mode - who was recruited what night?

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So and I was thinking that analyzing the Friend wagon would be a good start ..

Friend (Lord Gurgi, Flameaxe, Yosarian2, gandalf5166, ReaperCharlie, xvart, singersigner, ???)

Lo and Behold - It already has Yos scum. Prob recruits RC and singersinger. And gandalf and xvart on it too!

Vote: xvart

Lets go!

[ooba]

Sorry.

Aim:xvart

[ooba]

Also, I don't think xvart is scum. Call it gut if you wanna.

Now, my last guesses for cult recruiter are ERGO, GANDALF, XVART, FLAMEAXE, and INHIM (KATSUKI). WE NEED TO LYNCH ONE OF THEM TODAY, AND WE NEED TO GET IT RIGHT, OR ELSE WE WILL LIKELY LOSE.

What happened between yesterday and today?

[ooba]

Also @ ooba: Process of elimination. I think he's town but PoE dictates that he is prob-recruiter, as are the others on that list. Let me know if I'm missing anyone from my list, instead of trying to discredit my results and throw doubt on my entire paradise wasteland of awesomeness that I just posted.

In other words: ooba is recruited-scum even if he's not recruiter-scum.

You might be an enforcer as you say you are but I'm putting my money on you being recruited - say night two or so. In fact, your switch from "ooba = recruiter" to not, indicates to me that you investigated me last night and got not cult. (After all we had the Faraday flip before yesterday)

I've already spotted links between you and xvart so this bit was interesting .. Process of elimination listing would have been "The only people who can be cult recruiters are ..... " not "

my last guesses for cult recruiter

are ERGO, GANDALF, XVART, FLAMEAXE, and INHIM (KATSUKI)." - Don't try and back out of an abrupt 180 on xvart (aka weak bus) ..

Anyway I am not up for ANY lynch except xvart or gandalf today and will not be voting anybody else..

P.S: I know you don't share scum QTs of yours, but if you are scum, I'd bet that big post of yours was in the QT with a "Hey guys planning to post this in the next day";)

(And no I don't know if cult has a QT)

[ooba]

To be quite clear: My scumdar on you/singersigner has JUMPED OFF THE CHARTS. That's ME. Personally.

Yes, LOGIC indicates that the likelyhood of you being able to fakecrumb loose cannon on day 1 is literally almost ZERO, unless you are a recruiter who recruited TheLonging (a loose cannon) on Night 0 and therefore had access to his claim in order to be able to fakeclaim. Additionally, TheLonging as a recruiting choice makes VERY LITTLE sense on Night 0, because you'd want to AT LEAST recruit somebody who was a strong player, and on Night 0 there'd be NO way to pick up any crumbs or sniff out any PR tells, so I've finally WIFOMed myself into oblivion and come to the conclusion that LOGICALLY, you cannot be a recruiter (unless both cults started with both a recruiter AND a loose cannon (to perform the night kill). In which case, you are still my top suspect.

Yos, can you enlighten us on this?


And it's not an abrupt 180 on anybody. That's simply the list of people who can be cult recruiters (excluding, of course, the caveat that scum may have started with 2 people each, in which case that brings you and signersigner back into the picture as possible recruiters). If your argument there is about HOW I WROTE IT, then: I wrote it the way I wrote it because... I wrote it the way I wrote it. I don't sit there and think about my post before I finish it and say "hmmm does this look scummy? here let me edit it so it looks like a townie wrote it"..... do you? lol

And no, I did not investigate you last night; I investigated you on Night 1. Aren't you even paying attention?

I am fine with voting xvart or gandalf today, just as I'm fine with lynching anyone on the CAPS list. I'm not sure why POROCHAZ wasn't on the list before, maybe it's because I forgot/overlooked him. He is on the list.

You should pay attention to the argument. My logic is simple
- You were saying "I was recruiter" yesterday.
- You had "ooba is not recruiter but recruited scum" today
You attribute the downgrade on suspicion to me to thinking about it ("finally WIFOM'ing yourrself"). Me thinks an investigation of me by you yesterday seems to be a more apt reason to this - because ALL the reasons you posted were the same as yesterday; nothing changed at all in between. (And if you are recruited, you wont be really claiming your actual results would you?)

And this is the on-the-go version of the 180. I'll let other people form their own opinions
RC: "My guesses for recruiter are gandalf, xvart, erg0, etc."
ooba: "WTF. You said xvart was town yesterday"
RC: "It's process of elimination mate. I'm just listing out who it can possibly be"
ooba: "Why in god's name would you say

guesses

when you're listing everyone out"
RC: (Quoting the gem word for word) "If your argument there is about HOW I WROTE IT, then: I wrote it the way I wrote it because... I wrote it the way I wrote it. I don't sit there and think about my post before I finish it and say "hmmm does this look scummy? here let me edit it so it looks like a townie wrote it"..... do you? lol"

P.S: Why don't you vote xvart, mate?

[ooba]

Here's a thought - Mass roleblock on night one ..

Also zwet quote was a breadcrumb, not a full claim ..

RC, it's relevant because one can still find recruiters due to slips by others. The what/how argument is wrong - you can't back away from what you actually meant by saying "So I phrased it scummy "

Posting from mobile so can't check - can someone see if singersinger was actually on the site when the hammer happened ?
Cause right now the best thing for any team to do is paint t ..heir recruiter as "not a recruiter possibility" .. Have had second thoughts ever since the useless use of the power ..

Also, who was the person who said "singer don't say anything until ooba reveals his future profession"

[ooba]

SS was online during the kill so chuck that theory ..

I think I like the way RC is heading with his ooba/ss theory - it reminds me of the point I was meandering my way towards yesterday. Am I reading right that nobody besides ooba and ss mentioned the double vote ability for loose cannons? Might also explain why TheLonging's apparent belief that he had a daykill seemed inconsistent with the kind of PM I'd expect a double-voter/night vig to get.

- Nobody else mentioned it cause zwet is probably the only other LC role and he never had to claim fully
- Checked the PM - fairly easy to miss it if skimming ..

Read Me=Weird in ISO .. Gut read: Katsuki is probably Me=weird's cult leader ..

Assuming every person claiming right now is telling the truth, we can safely eliminate as recruiter
Andrius
Chronopie
Lord Gurgi
ooba
ReaperCharlie
vezokpiraka Robocopter87
TheLonging singersigner

Calling the two scum teams Red and Blue:
Yosarian2 -> Red Recruit
inHimshallibe Katsuki -> Red Leader (My read - feel free to disagree)

Which leaves possibilities for Blue Leader at:
xvart
Erg0
animorpherv1 Flameaxe
gandalf5166
Porochaz

I liked xvart sticking his head out for the roleblocker PM thing -> Not a recruiter.
Not sure about erg0 - maybe a slight recruited vibe .. Gandalf is my pick amongst the rest ..

Holster. Aim: Gandalf

[ooba]

Let's have a mass claim ..

[ooba]

The ooba recruiter/ss recruited theory would mean
- cult can kill in lieu of recruiting and I chose to kill zwet N1
- or SS used kill on zwet and I managed to recruit another loose cannon by the time the hammer double vote is done ..
The first is suboptimal. Second is possible but not that likely.

Since it looks like my lynch is likely. Here's a question - I AM going to flip un recruited - how're you going to explain it then?

[ooba]

Strange that both cops don't trust each other .. Almost as if both know the other is fake

RC, "Here's a question - I AM going to flip un recruited - how're you going to explain it then?"

[ooba]

And some gems from ooba:

ooba

I think this "noise" is some generic little mod shenanigan explaining why I don't just investigate and masonize people, see?
So I doubt the noise is anything significant, unless someone is perpetually tracking me/ watching my targets...

So you're saying the "noise" is just something that makes you run away..

- You might be a role which cannot investigate power roles which use their abilities that day .. People go out of their houses .. You come back to beat out info out of them but it's too late in the night to get a proper investigation ..
- You were not roleblocked N0 but were roleblocked yesterday .. Using the word "noise" again was just Flay's way of keeping it ambiguous so that you cannot say for sure that you were roleblocked ..

Ooba tries to explain why the flavor was the same for the "noise" for Andy on both N1 and N2, but that Andy was only blocked ONE of those nights.

This makes very little sense even at this point of the game, but it now makes ZERO sense because we know that:
-Roleblock flavor includes prostitutes. There is nothing of the kind evident here.
-Andrius' ISO #198 shows that he is able to hear "THE NOISE" and STILL get a successful investigation on Lord Gurgi.

Sorry but how is this an argument for scum and why is it a "gem"?
I was (and still am) unrecruited when I wrote that. I was trying to come up with reasons to why it turned out that way. The fact that it was wrong does not make me scummy.

Hey, ooba. I like how Andrius is on both lists.

which I didn't realize at the time, but this is a perfect example of scum not knowing whether to put his entire scum team in the "confirmed" list or not, and accidentally COPY-n-pasting instead of CUT-n-pasting. Major lulz now that I look back at it, which should have been a Major FoS when it happened...

I always copy paste names from main menu and rearranging them in alignment slots in most cases. Sometimes I slip up. And your argument here doesn't make sense:
- I put "Andrius" in both lists because scum sometimes aren't sure on scumbuddies
- ON the SAME day that Andrius comes out with a semi-suspicious non-result on me
If I had already recruited Andrius, I'm pretty sure no player is stupid enough to bus their own CR.

See also posts #1414-#1417.
RC vs Andy FTL (For the Lulz).

Called it.

I've tried reasoning it out
- Mass roleblock makes some sense since both of you got non results that day - But cannot think of something flavor wise to fit for that
- A framer would have probably kept incriminating evidence in my house instead of keeping it bare
Which leads to my final conclusion - both of you are scum. Why your teams want me dead so bad is beyond me though ..

[ooba]

I mean compare SS's reaction to my claim to Andrius's reactions to yours. Granted he may still be suspicious since you claim two common targets to his BUT you should consider Andrius all but confirmed enforcer if you've got the flavor results you have (esp for me) because
- If you think I am CR
-- Andrius was not recruited by Night one since he claimed the result on me
-- Robo protected Andrius Night two - therefore no recruitment of Andrius
-- Robo claimed only Day three
-- Therefore the only way I could have hypothetically recruited Andrius is to have roleblocked Robo with one of my minions on Night three and then recruited Andrius
But since we know roleblockers send flavor PMs - that point is ruled out ..

The impression I get is that both of you are at each other's throats for really not much reason - common sign of some inside info when there are two scum teams ..

[ooba]

Glad everyone thinks mass roleblock is stupid .. It was a long shot but one of the few possible reasons I could possibly fathom ..

Nobody seems to be trying to guess why else I would have two non-results on me though .. "Inconsistent flavor results from Flay" is the only reason I can see listed out ..

Even the people who say I shouldn't be lynched - Poro, Flameaxe - should try and explain the N2 results ..

[ooba]

Um. Wouldn't it be perfectly explained by the fact that you were investigation immune, and (as an aspiring godfather) would not have anything incriminating in your room?

It would - but I know that's not true ..

[ooba]

Was going through a few posts, RC a question for you:

So I'm thinking about the possible causes that Andrius would get that result on ooba. It has to be either:
- it's a product of Andrius' role.
- it's an effect of ooba's role.
- it's an effect of a

factional

action (block, etc).

Why the word "Factional"? An individual can block right?

[ooba]

I was thinking the avatar was cute too.

Let me rephrase - what did you mean when you said factional? My understanding was "an ability shared by a faction like a factional kill". If so why list out only a factional block and not any block ?

[ooba]

When did chrono claim and why ?

[ooba]

Also the one more investigation on ooba plan is bad. Unless it's something tied to that specific night, then it'll probably be no result again (assuming the cops are real and true)..

[ooba]

You have good memory.

Addn for the LC section: Both loose cannons (ss and me) have claimed the double vote use of the bullet part of our role.

[ooba]

The point being that when compiling a list of claims, you shouldn't get facts wrong. That you think it's a pack of lies should not tar what is an objective document. That it might be false is clearly expressed in the word "claimed".

Responding to points:
- My role PM clearly states that name won't be associated with double vote.
@RC - you can add this above too.
@SS - Noticed another clause to the double vote when scanning the PM. Can you tell me what it is? (RC's situation where double vote might not be a LC action while not likely should be investigated)
- If you read one of my posts today, you can see I had a similar thought on ss's double vote. First thought was ss was a recruiter who got an LC and wanted to use that. (You missed that possibility by the way) But after rereading a bit, ss's reads more suboptimal townie play than anything else. "Don't attribute to complex scum theories, what you can attribute to VIness"

[ooba]

RC, I honestly think you're letting paranoia cloud your judgement. You're working on selection bias mode.You ignore any counter points which are right and make sense...

For example, you think the scum team is me/andrius/ss/robo .. I addressed the me/andrius part in a later post ..

- If you think I am CR
-- Andrius was not recruited by Night one since he claimed the result on me
-- Robo protected Andrius Night two - therefore no recruitment of Andrius
-- Robo claimed only Day three
-- Therefore the only way I could have hypothetically recruited Andrius is to have roleblocked Robo with one of my minions on Night three and then recruited Andrius
But since we know roleblockers send flavor PMs - that point is ruled out.

The only possibility where it works is
- N0, I recruit ss
- N1, cults have a kill in lieu of recruitment and I used it on zwet
- N2, I recruit robo
- N3, I recruit andrius

This also involves some crazy choices like
- Saving ss's kill so that I can confirm myself knowing there's another cult out there
- Using a kill instead of recruitment on N1

[ooba]

Also, last I checked, I'm very much in favor of an Ooba lynch, sooooo...

Answer my question - "What is the other clause w.r.t the double vote in the PM"

[ooba]

Calling the two scum teams Red and Blue:
Yosarian2 -> Red Recruit
inHimshallibe Katsuki -> Red Leader (My read - feel free to disagree)

Which leaves possibilities for Blue Leader at:
xvart
Erg0
animorpherv1 Flameaxe
gandalf5166
Porochaz

From the above list, I consider xvart and poro's play to not fit CR profile.
The other three seem to be good fits. For example, gandalf and ergo seem to be in the background waiting for RC push on me to play out. Also like how a ergo wagon was derailed for mine.

Reminds me to check on chrono's
claim. But lynching me over ergo or gandalf is a mistake.

[ooba]

Also, last I checked, I'm very much in favor of an Ooba lynch, sooooo...

Answer my question - "What is the other clause w.r.t the double vote in the PM"

Sorry, forgot to respond the first time.

And...are you talking about the fact that I need to have already been "drawn on" someone, first? Or...I mean, there are a couple things you might be getting at, but I can't just copy paste my pm...

What's "w.r.t."?

With respect to ..

I was specifically looking for the double vote not being retractable but the drawn on bit also works as confirmation ..

[ooba]

Xvart, what do you think of this:
- What do you make of Faraday (An unrecruited VT) giving no result N0 as according to RC? This seems to throw the biggest spanner into the "Ooba is recruiter because of no-result" theory.

And the fact that zwet claimed to be targeting dramonic.

I believe the flavor of Faraday being body guarded. I doubt zwet would lie about guarding dram N0 so all flavor and evidence suggests there is another bodyguard.

xvart.

Zwet is a LC, not a bodyguard.
Don't buy your kill theory. Simpler explanation is zwet killed dram and one other unclaimed LC killed Me=weird..

[ooba]

Flameaxe, I am guessing the other LC is recruited. If he claims, he would be able to corroborate the LC roles. He would also add credence to the theory that cult have no kills. Both would take some of the lynch mob off me. Therefore why claim and pass off a mis lynch ..

[ooba]

I'm surprised no one has brought this up but the best strategy for a CR right now its to get confirmed as a recruit .. And hence unlynchable ..

Therefore you should write off yos as a recruiter only if you believe andrius isn't recruited ..

[ooba]

This bears repetition because it was missed - "Therefore you should write off yos as a recruiter only if you believe andrius isn't recruited .."

This game needs more votes .. So everyone saying "I'm going to vote erg0 or gandalf" (or whoever) decide and vote now please ..

[ooba]

Therefore you should write off yos as a recruiter only if you believe andrius isn't recruited ..

In that hypothetical, what advantage would there be to andrius declaring me a recrut, voting for me, and starting a bandwagon on me that got 3 votes before everyone realized lynching a recruit is a bad idea, rather then just, say, declaring the he got an innocent on me?

So that you can make an argument like this? There was no way that lynch was going through. And if you look at the post in which he votes you, he makes multiple references to the fact that you're not a recruiter - making sure someone will say "Can't lynch a recruit when there's a recruiter" ..

@ Erg0: Aim: Yosarin2 Until we have something better to go off of, I'm willing to spray his brains on the wall. Nothing personal dude. I enjoyed playing with you.
He's not the recruiter because nothing has happened to me as far as I know. Also, (while its not the most reliable information), the flavor said he was clearly working for one of the Sons. While this is flavor it does suggest:
1) 2 sons are seperate
2) he's not a recruiter

Anyone got anything better to go off of? I like this game because I don't have to play catch-up.

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Why would the town want to make quicklynches easier before we have decided?

We decide with our votes. There's a distinct lack of commitment from a lot of players in this game - probably due to the cult element.

[ooba]

LG, if your point is that it might be LyLo right now and one would have to be careful, then fine. But on the whole, there have not been many votes and competing wagons in this game.

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1.

Why would signersigner

completely

waste

a vig shot

unless she was protecting someone? i.e. herself or a recruiter. Answer:

SHE WOULDN'T. THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO REASON TO.

2.

We don't even know that ooba is a loose cannon at all.

He hasn't proven it except for claiming a nightkill that could have been a scum nightkill. Which was on one of the most pro-town people in the game at that point.

3.

We don't know that signersigner is a loose cannon at all.

She hasn't proven anything except for a mechanic which only ooba corroborates, and that the only confirmed loose cannon NEVER MENTIONED. Which leads me to the next point.

4.

We don't know that the

?????

vote was singersigner.

In fact, I'd bet good money that it

wasn't

her. It could have been anyone, not just her or ooba. The whole thing is, we KNOW NOTHING ABOUT THIS SITUATION. WHICH MAKES IT ALL FISHY.

5.

The ONLY person who corroborates ANYTHING signersigner says is.... ooba. Great.

6.

The ONLY person who corroborates ANYTHING ooba says is.... signersigner. Great.

7.

TWO SEPARATE COPS got a NO-RESULT on ooba!

HE IS NOT TOWN. HE IS NOT RECRUITEDSCUM. WE WERE NOT BLOCKED. SO THE ONLY THING LEFT IS.... *DUN DUN DUUUuuuuUuUuuuUUNNNN!!!!* -- YOU DO THE MATH.

I'm tired of responding to these posts when RC just ignores anything that is a valid counterargument and repeats the same stuff a few pages later.
1. "Don't attribute to scum theories, what you can attribute to VIness"

All points from 2-6 are "We don't know for sure" points. Of course, you don't know for sure - how is that a reason to lynch anybody?
2. I killed a person who I had listed as suspicious. Vig has got to use his instinct.
3. The confirmed loose cannon breadcrumbed twice. I don't expect him to list out all details related to his role.
4.
5. & 6. Two people with the same role corroborate each other - great surprise ..

7. This is the only valid point.

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Basically it boils down to this:

Points in favor of ooba-recruiter:
- Two non-results from claimed cops

Points against:
- My uncountered claimed kill. You would need a very specific set of events to explain the kill otherwise
-- I recruit a LC N0 and decide to breadcrumb the role
-- I decide to kill in lieu of recruitment on N1 - This is a crazy choice

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Gandalf and erg0 seem to be active lurking and sitting this one out .. I repeat - it would be a mistake to lynch me over them .. I'm not even a recruit ..

P.S: The fact that I don't feel the need to bold, caps or increase size of any words doesn't make any of it less true.

[ooba]

RC is a bad lynch
- I have a non-recruiter vibe. Misguided townie or tunneling scum but not recruiter
- Setup argument : one would assume there to be more than one enforcer .. And since it's possible LyLo I'd expect any others to have claimed already.
- Ask yourself these questions .. If I'm a recruiter, Would I risk my head by claiming cop ? Even if I wanted to push an ooba-lynch, why not ask a minion to do it ?

[ooba]

Why are you being goaded by Ooba? Stop it now.

While I may have proposed theories that RC-Andr might be fakeclaiming to explain the non-results earlier in the day, I have never advocated an RC lynch. Not a recruiter is what my gut has been telling me for a long time. So I didn't goad Darox into this.

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RC is a bad lynch
- I have a non-recruiter vibe. Misguided townie or tunneling scum but not recruiter
- Setup argument : one would assume there to be more than one enforcer .. And since it's possible LyLo I'd expect any others to have claimed already.
- Ask yourself these questions .. If I'm a recruiter, Would I risk my head by claiming cop ? Even if I wanted to push an ooba-lynch, why not ask a minion to do it ?

1a: Andrius has survived 4 game days and 3 nights since claiming cop. I don't think it would be much of a risk claiming to be a third cop.
1b: Confirmed power roles have been pretty much decided to be guaranteed non-recruiters
2: Having two negative cop claims helps bolster support, and with the lack of his own cop power he can't get too creative with his own results (Relying solely on Andrius' results and whatever he can learn/fake as a recruiter)
3: Pushing a lynch on an 'easy' target means a day without one of his members being lynched and brings him closer to victory. The fact you have survived 2 game days since Andrius claimed his No Result on you shows it's going to take more than that to get you lynched.

- By risk I did not mean the risk of dying, its the risk of situations where he is counter'd e.g "I am a roleblocked. I blocked RC yesterday - couldn't have got a innocent on Chronopie".
- The confirmed power roles not being a recruiter is actually a double edged sword - people tend to get paranoid (Take my own case). Even so, RC was already confirmed by Andrius's N0 result as non-recruiter. (Assuming Andr\RC, the additional risk point still holds).
- While 3 is true, I come back to my point of "If he is recruiter, why not get one of his minions to claim and do the same thing?"

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Flameaxe is now town. My suspect pool is narrowed down to erg0, gandalf and Poro .. I'd be shocked if there wasn't at least one recruiter in this list ..

[ooba]

We're getting awfully close to deadline .. Singersinger, why are you voting me ?

[ooba]

With a day extension, we have less than three days to deadline ..

Chrono:

"While I'm inclined to doubt Ooba is a CR, I'll vote him today on the grounds that we can deal to Erg0 tomorrow. (whom I am inclined to believe probably is)"
- everyday in which we don't lynch either recruiter is bad. I understand you'd also fall into the "I don't think ooba is a recruiter, but will not mind seeing him gone" category but voting me esp. with your read on me is bad ..

singer:

ISO'd you and I can't really see why you're voting me .. If I had to guage a guess, I'd say it was to prove your connections to me are false and the entire ooba-ss theory is nonsense ..
Do you really have a recruiter read or reason as to why I am a recruiter? You said you can be persuaded for an erg0 lynch - I invite you to ISO him .. Rereading this game will also give you an indication as to how an erg0 wagon was effectively capsized for mine ..

xvart:

I can't answer the non-result on me .. But I invite you to read me and decide if I give you a recruiter vibe. Also read the points at the end ..

Robo:

I personally feel you're a recruit since the hop on-to my wagon was too easy. Wouldn't you rather try for the opposite recruiter?

gandalf:

Similar to xvart ..

RC:

I just don't know .. I know I can't convince you so I won't try .. But don't let ooba-scum paranoia from SW mafia cloud whatever judgment you have this game ..

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Vengeful mafia is a game with 1 GF, 1 Goon and 3 Mafia. The town wins if GF is lynched. If townie is lynched, he gets a vengeful shot. If he kills the GF, the game continues to 3 players with the goon.

Anybody who has played the above game will tell you that the Goon will never really force bus his GF since it is a loss. I would like to point out that a CR is as important a role to his team this game - After all if you lose your CR and the other team still has their own, you are just surviving while the other team is growing .. So minions will do anything to make sure the CR survives ..

Where is the cavalry for me?

If I am actually the CR, where is the support. Sure there is a bunch of people saying "ooba lynch is bad" but minions would do more than this if their CR is in trouble. I, as a minion
- would consider drawing attention to myself
- claiming to put a 50:50 with someone else. e.g: Say "I never received Chrono's RB PM - He's lying scum and other people who confirmed are recruits". Saves my recruiter
- Push a case very strongly on somebody else
None of these actions are happening. And if you're thinking - This is basically what you've been setting up with your team - No defense of you so that you can say this and escape from the noose. Not really because

Towns are lazy

. When a town gets close to deadline, they usually ask the person to claim. If the claim is believable, they lynch the second scummiest. If not, that person is lynched.

If the person has already claimed and is the top wagon close to deadline, he is invariably lynched.

I (and my hypothetical team) would not take a risk like that ..

[ooba]

Nope. If you're the recruiter of the big team, you've practically already won. We'd literally have to lynch from your team repeatedly for the next couple of days, even if we got rid of you(the recruiter). So you wouldn't be nearly that important anymore, because you've already done your job.

14 people .. Assume it's LyLo-1 so 5 peeps in the team .. Other team has 4 .. Town 5 .. (or Town 4, other team 5 doesn't matter)
I can anticipate a condition like "If all town are lynched, the team with the larger size wins" ..
So my team kills me today - 4
Other team still recruits - 5 .. even if you assume 3, doesn't stop the fact that they keep growing while you are stagnant ..

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But, even assuming that CR is expendable (which they aren't) and my team is hoping to win even after my death, where is the heavy duty bussing? RC is the only one on the wagon displaying any sort of unshakable resolve ..

[ooba]

3: Getting a cultist to reveal himself is a very dangerous thing, it provides a number of links to other cultists and the recruiter, as well as gives the town an easy lynch for future.

I didn't mean say "Hey. I'm xvart and a recruit for one team. We have info that ooba is the opposite recruiter", I meant xvart could have done the same thing RC did if he was a recruit .. Claim enforcer .. Less risky than RC recruiter claiming no?

[ooba]

ooba's 2541 is ridiculously terrible.

1. Tries to throw more dirt on my case by saying I shouldn't be paid any attention to because I am biased because of SW mafia.
But did I mention SW mafia in #2500? no. This is a poor excuse to stop his wagon from going through.

2. Asks Robocopter whether he'd rather vote for the "opposite" recruiter. As in, the recruiter that is not him. Scumslip.

Love,
-Reaper

1. The fact that you mentioned it only highlighted my attention to it .. You refer to "Have you seen ooba scum?" many times over .. If that isn't paranoia then I don't know what is .. You ignore all posts - you see what you want to see in a post .. Heights of selection bias if town ..
2. Read properly.
"Robo: I personally

feel you're a recruit

since the hop on-to my wagon was too easy. Wouldn't you rather try for the

opposite recruiter

?" - If he's a recruit, he should be gunning for the opposite recruiter ..

[ooba]

Read properly.
"Robo: I personally

feel you're a recruit

since the hop on-to my wagon was too easy. Wouldn't you rather try for the

opposite recruiter

?" - If he's a recruit, he should be gunning for the opposite recruiter ..

Saw that, still sounds scummy as hell.

Not really .. I was trying to figure out why each person was voting me and convincing each of them .. Robo's jump looked like "Hey. Here's an easy mislynch" scum jump .. Vezo's actions gave me a clear non CR read -> There recruit .. Thought the only way to appeal to a recruit is to tell him I'm not the opposite CR he's looking for and ask him to jump on ..

Darox: If the 4th LC is a part of the bigger cult group (Possible since Me=Weird is the only unclaimed LC action), why in gods name would he claim when there's an easy mislynch on me ..

[ooba]

ebwop: jump off ..

[ooba]

I just noticed that the 3 claimed LC/4 LC actions discrepancy would explain the singer/ooba confusion, so unless Yosarian comes and tells me cults have the ability to night kill, I'm suddenly more amendable to lynching Ooba.

That's what I've been waiting for too. *waits for Yos*

And btw Darox, you saying this makes me believe you are town. Finally.

Selection bias in action .. Ignoring the spec darox points to for ooba=recruiter confirmation while ignoring the counter ..

Darox: If the 4th LC is a part of the bigger cult group (Possible since Me=Weird is the only unclaimed LC action), why in gods name would he claim when there's an easy mislynch on me ..

And you really weren't waiting for Yos to confirm anything .. Stop lying ..

[ooba]

Looks like gandalf is not happening ..

Holster. Aim: Quag

Darox, a RC lynch is not happening. Move your vote to me or Quag ..

[ooba]

The townies and the cult team with the lesser member really need to pick it up .. We're so close to deadline and I really can't see any urgency ..

[ooba]

Re-emphasizing for the non-scum on my wagon ..

Vengeful mafia is a game with 1 GF, 1 Goon and 3 Mafia. The town wins if GF is lynched. If townie is lynched, he gets a vengeful shot. If he kills the GF, the game continues to 3 players with the goon.

Anybody who has played the above game will tell you that the Goon will never really force bus his GF since it is a loss. I would like to point out that a CR is as important a role to his team this game - After all if you lose your CR and the other team still has their own, you are just surviving while the other team is growing .. So minions will do anything to make sure the CR survives ..

Where is the cavalry for me?

If I am actually the CR, where is the support. Sure there is a bunch of people saying "ooba lynch is bad" but minions would do more than this if their CR is in trouble. I, as a minion
- would consider drawing attention to myself
- claiming to put a 50:50 with someone else. e.g: Say "I never received Chrono's RB PM - He's lying scum and other people who confirmed are recruits". Saves my recruiter
- Push a case very strongly on somebody else
None of these actions are happening. And if you're thinking - This is basically what you've been setting up with your team - No defense of you so that you can say this and escape from the noose. Not really because

Towns are lazy

. When a town gets close to deadline, they usually ask the person to claim. If the claim is believable, they lynch the second scummiest. If not, that person is lynched.

If the person has already claimed and is the top wagon close to deadline, he is invariably lynched.

I (and my hypothetical team) would not take a risk like that ..

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Also people not voting or on wagons which won't really lead anywhere (LG and Darox if I'm right) should choose and switch ..

[ooba]

Ooba has bugger all evidence against him that isn't outweighed by the evidence that he's a LC.

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LG jumped to gandalf over Quag so made me suspicious a bit but I guess if he was scum, he would have just hammer'd me .. Back to gandalf then ..

Holster. Aim: Gandalf

[ooba]

Gandalf claim please ..

[ooba]

Just look at Flay's VC above .. From that we have 1.1 day of RL time = 1 Day, 2 Hours and 24 minutes ..

So currently deadline is approx 10 hours away .. Gandalf should claim before anyone hammering .. In any game with two factions, opposite scum love giving away info about the other group .. If town, even more important we get all info he has ..

[ooba]

In case in wasn't clear

deadline is 10 hours away

as I post this .. Let gandalf claim .. If he doesn't and it gets too close to deadline, hammer ..