Super Smash Bros. Mafia! GAME OVER!!

[manho]

/confirm...

[manho]

is there 4 pairs of hydras in this game?

[manho]

just back home after watching inception. so many thoughts in my head, and i need a sleep now.
don't go into my dream and steal anything. my role pm is locked deep into my mind.

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i think the rule of "you can't post twice with the same content" was abandoned...
that's great.

[manho]

V/LA until 2/8, preparing for the orientation camp.

[manho]

back from V/LA

Town Vote: Fate

i'll bet a lynch vote on fate killing scum tonight.

will think about the lynch vote tomorrow.

[manho]

[Friend]

@manho: Why are you so sure of Fate's abilities?

have you been with Fate in a mafia game?

[manho]

[FRIEND]

@manho: No, I (Friend) haven't.

fate always catch scums. [REDACTED]

(i really can't talk about that ongoing games.)

[manho]

3. Smash Ball. Players with a Smash Ball get a Night Kill. If you get a Night Kill,you can use it on anyone but themself. Players with the Smash Ball must use the Final Smash: [Insert Username] command. It is guaranteed to succeed regardless of when you send it in, who you want to kill, what alignment they're part of, etc.

someone read the rule. the smash ball kill is guaranteed to succeed. i really don't think the kill can be redirected, otherwise a scum redirector means another night kill for the scum. maybe someone can ask the mod to clarify it.

i disagree with the second lynch things, it ruin the propose of kingmaking fate.

still haven't decided the lynch vote.

[manho]

lynch vote: diddin

he gave the worst vibe out of the 3 given by furry.

[manho]

I self-townvoted as a gambit to end RVS early and generate discussion.

It's not harming anybody now and I'm too lazy to un-townvote so I'll keep it where it is.

it is really scummy. i don't believe in any RVS-ending gambit. and after re-reading the original post, i really don't think it was an intentional gambit, so diddin is lying and should be lynched.

[manho]

will read tanstalas and MPR soon.

[manho]

@mod, you've missed my diddin vote.

Will be corrected in the next votecount.

[manho]

if anyone is a rider, you should claim now.

tanstalas is not scum. the bus driver things is a null tell, town tell if there is indeed a bus driver. his vibe is good, though i don't agree with the "second lynch" thing.

i still don't know why MPR is scum, but he is a good policy lynch target.

however, diddin is still the lynch.

[manho]

another reason for not having a second lynch, though is samll, is that, a scum with a 1-shot power (if any) will be notified of his death, and will definitely use the 1-shot, but the scum may waste that 1-shot if not notified of the death.

[manho]

At this point in time enough pages have gone by without content from Mongoose that he is better Smashball material than lynch material.

how did you distinguish a Smashball material from a lynch material?

[manho]

The difference between a vig and a lynch.

A lynch requires a majority of the game to all agree on that person being scummy. This person is run-up, he makes defenses, accusations, connections, etc. It is much better to be done on an active player than a silent lurker.

Though the bad thing is that scum usually tend to lurk for this reason. Its hard to build a wagon off a sole reason like: He's lurking, because not a lot of discussion can be generated off that.

Hence, Smash ball. It takes one person to decide, and they're dead, no discussion necessary but you hit probably scum. Clearer now?

oh i got it. i'm still thinking about the "smash ball = second lynch" theory, so didn't realise you mean "smash ball = vig". i support "smash ball = vig" though.

[manho]

yes, if the town is so bad at scumhunting that they give the smash ball to scum, then i don't think we should believe the town's scumhunting skill to lynch a second one.

[manho]

I self-townvoted as a gambit to end RVS early and generate discussion.

It's not harming anybody now and I'm too lazy to un-townvote so I'll keep it where it is.

it is really scummy. i don't believe in any RVS-ending gambit. and after re-reading the original post, i really don't think it was an intentional gambit, so diddin is lying and should be lynched.

Pure WIFOM and what about it makes you think i'm lying?

you are serious when you asked us all to self-townvote, and i actually buy that argument. so you are fine if you are not saying it as a gambit. the gambit thing is an excuse.

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why isn't diddin lynched yet. vanilla town claim won't help you, scum. try being more creative next time.

[manho]

What I mean is:
At this stage of the wagon, everyone can jump in the wagon without worrying
I'm afraid of Mafia jumping now and quickly voting him off, with him being town
Regardless, I'l keep my vote

it won't be much loss to the town even if he is town.

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@Kirbyoshi: They need half the players + 1 to do a lynch. Basically, all you need is a simple majority. So that means that diddin is L-3 AKA three votes away from a lynch.

kirby is asking about the town vote, not the lynch.

[manho]

town vote: nacho

i trust you, fate.

lynch vote: kirby

for now.

[manho]

both the vezo/reck and zazie/esurio hydras can be lurking scums. will read them later.

V/LA until 14/8

i may have access to the internet, but i dunno.

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@gandalf, can you state what will happen if you are lynched and if you are night-killed?

[manho]

Town Vote: Furry

my vote will be on mongoose or vezo/reck. i'll iso them before casting it.

[manho]

Lynch Vote: xVEZOKENERx

mongoose is clearly a noob, so i'll put him in neutral.
vezo/reck lurking so much is unacceptable.

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Kirby is town because he was the counterwagon to the diddin wagon, and there's no way that the only two D1 wagons we formed were both on scum. Also, his bandwagon disintegrated far too quickly for it to be brimming with townies. Quick wagon changes are normally from people realizing they have bad reasoning, which is normally difficult for townies to do since we're naturally stubborn once we believe we've found scum. I see no stubborn townies in 5 people leaving a wagon in 24 hours, with the only two people staying on lurkers who were replaced a short time afterwards.

i think it's a null tell / non-traitor tell only. kirby may just be a randomly selected counterwagon, so he can still be villain scum.

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just iso'ed gollum, but they are too hard to read. their vote on mongoose may be a bus, but i dunno.

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@ Pikachu
Well as has been discussed, scum may very well have fakeclaims of more minor characters because the major characters would need to be in the game already. My willingness to claim shows that I have a claim that would not fit in any category that a scum fakeclaim might, and therefore is less likely to be a fakeclaim.
There is no point. I'm not suggesting we do a Mass Nameclaim anymore.
Wrong. Because I thought there was a point at the time.

a major character, say mario, dosen't guarantee to be town. in harry potter mafia, dumbledore is a fake claim...

FoS: danakillsu

, for trying so hard to show us he is pro-town when there isn't any kind of focus on him.

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@ manho
Whatever. I hardly call this trying hard.

the bolded part of the following posts are trying too hard.

@ Kirbyoshi
Please tell me you just didn't think that one through.

My suggesting a nameclaim was very townie, because it meant that I would have been willing to claim with no pressure put on me whatsoever.

It's true that it wouldn't give us much, if any, information on who's scum, but that was just a mistake in how many characters are in the game, which I already mentioned. And I DID NOT ask people to forget it happened, I asked people to quit telling me it was a bad idea, which you are doing again right now. Really, what is your problem? You can fos me for it if you like, but telling me again that you don't want to do a mass nameclaim is just obviously intended to get on my nerves.
Not really getting the vezokener wagon, going back to iso them.

@ Pikachu
Well as has been discussed, scum may very well have fakeclaims of more minor characters because the major characters would need to be in the game already.

My willingness to claim shows that I have a claim that would not fit in any category that a scum fakeclaim might, and therefore is less likely to be a fakeclaim.

There is no point. I'm not suggesting we do a Mass Nameclaim anymore.
Wrong. Because I thought there was a point at the time.

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@manho
I just don't understand what you're saying. The first quote is just me saying my willingness to claim makes me townie, and the second quote is me explaining why at another's request. How can you say that's trying too hard. Since Pika is so adamant about it, I'll iso Zaziesurio myself.

scum who have a good fakeclaim is always willing to claim, and every character can be a fakeclaim. i won't be suprised if mario is indeed a fakeclaim, especially after seeing dumbledore as fakeclaim in harry potter mafia. so those are not reason for why you are town.

but it is not the main point. the main point is that you are trying to convince other that you are town for doing something. if you know doing A is pro-town, then, as a scum, you will definitely do A to gain town credit. so there is no "pointing out your own town tell".

and why are you pointing out your own town tell for? you are not in danger of lynch, and you are probably not completing for today's smash ball.

[manho]

will read zaie/esurio and mongoose tomorrow.

[manho]

Town Vote: Pikachu

but esurio can still be scum.

[manho]

I think some people have special roles.
Like for example Kirby, Pikachu, Bowser, King Deedee, Meta Knight.
But then their are the common role for those who are normal.
Example: Mario, Luigi, Marth, Snake, and etc.
Because honestly it wouldn't make sense for some of the roles to be special like Kirby Absorber ability. I mean if Mario didn't have Doctor or Vig(Since he is a big hero after all) it would be kinda strange imo.
But the idea that Kirby is mafia seems off too me, I mean he just doesn't scream mafia. I'm thinking sole on the character, Kirby is the hero of the game so I don't see him been mafia, but only townie. I can see Metaknight been mafia.
I think it might be beneficially if we made a list on who could be counted as Townie, and who could be counted as mafia.
Anyone agree on that?

i don't agree on that. Luigi flipped scum.

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i'll buddy with fate on this.

lynch vote: MPR

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Oops, sorry guys. I've been forgetting to post updates on my thoughts in the thread because I've been trying to catch up and sort through all the jibberish. At this point in the game (with 39 pages to sift through), I can't really make a case against anyone but mongoose and MPR, so I'm going to

Lynch Vote: mongoose

, since atm, he seems scummier. I'll post more thoughts about why later (probably tomorrow after 8pm PST).

Though, manho...why are you "buddying with fate," exactly?

it's sad in HK and i don't have the mood to read the game for now. so buddying with fate is the best move. read it if you want to know what's happened.

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iso'ed mongoose, bunnylover, singersigner. mongoose is town, bunnylover is scum, and singersigner is neutral to scum.

EDIT: forgot to iso MPR, will read soon.

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i'll leave my vote on MPR for now. i really can't read him.

[manho]

How is mongoose town???????

it's hard to explain. it's the general feeling that makes me believe him town.

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dana is scum, but we can lynch him tomorrow.

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i'll leave my vote on MPR for now. i really can't read him.

You're voting a null read over dana?

Ok.

Yeah, this MPR wagon disappears now. You ruined it big time manho.

the "can't read" read is not a null read. and MPR is always a good lynch, as i always can't read him.

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unvote, vote: dana

[manho]

I'm a he. Your Traitor idea is horrible. The Traitors obviously are overshadowed by someone already connected to them, not just random other people. A 9-year-old could see through that one.

stop the role spectaculation kid. there is no way this game can be broken by a simple role claim.

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I admit a third switch is a little too much to ask for.

@Pikachu: danascum? Yes/No?


@FURRY: HEY YOU TOWNVOTED YOUR SCUMBUDDY SMART MOVE? DON"T THINK SO. THOUGHTS ASAP.

Unvote:
Vote: MPR

fate's vote should be in MPR. he didn't unvote or vote after the above post.

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really need to read the thread again.

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bunnylover is scum.

vote: bunnylover

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forgot that we are using separate vote count...

lynch vote: bunnylover
town vote: manho

, since i really don't know who i can trust.

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Going to be semi-V/LA over the next week, I have a group presentation to work on. posting this across all games.

[off-topic] you are in all my 3 games? i'm tempted to vote you here to make all my 3 votes on you.[/off-topic]

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Going to be semi-V/LA over the next week, I have a group presentation to work on. posting this across all games.

[off-topic] you are in all my 3 games? i'm tempted to vote you here to make all my 3 votes on you.[/off-topic]

He cant be scum in all 3 games, can he???

Hmm....

i was once being scum in 3 out of 4 games at the same time.

[manho]

STOP. I guess I have to claim now, but I seriously doubt Sharkfinn's cop like claim. Anyways, I am ike, the town hider.

flavor and night action please.

[manho]

All Night Actions for SSBMafia

Night Four

CSL Kills Fate

palmertrou Kills Fate,

Roleblocks SharkFinn

Stels Neighborizes CSL
Furry Tracks tanstalas

Chronopie Plants a Mine on palmertrou

SharkFinn kills manho

why am i killed night 4 by sharkfinn who was roleblocked by palmertrou???

[manho]

smashball goes through everything.

i thought that was the usual mafia kill...

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i still think town votes should be counted when someone is lynched, but not after twilight. it destroys all scum quick-hammering tactics.