Super Smash Bros. Mafia! GAME OVER!!

[diddin]

Daykill: animorph

solved that problem.

This like a big KoL Mafia family reunion!

[diddin]

VOTE: MPR

GO GO WAGON RANGERS

Town Vote: diddin

Anyone not self-town voting is risking giving a smash ball to scum.

[diddin]

[AGM]

Kill: SocioPath

Vote: diddin

, GOD don't be so arrogant and vote for yourself for town nomination that's like nominating yourself for an award.

If you're town you're risking giving scum a smash ball by not self-townvoting. Town reads shouldn't be something thrown around early game.

[diddin]

He's trying to distinguish his regular vote from his town vote, I'm guessing.

[diddin]

unvote

I'll do a little look at the Kirby thing tomorrow cause it's late. I have no reason to change my town vote until I find a suitable candidate for it.

[diddin]

I found a direct contradiction in kirby's words somewhere.

He posts this:

Un-Town Vote diddin, Town Vote: frayed

This is a serious vote. Early town read on frayed.

Then his next post he says there haven't been any tells yet:

I don't think there have been any tells of consequence, if any at all. Looks like people are just feeling each other out, throwing votes around, seeing what sticks.

What reasoning on the MPR wagon? There is none, and I'd even be willing to bet there's overeager scum on it. It would take some wagon analyzing (which I'll probably end up doing) to figure out who's most likely to be scum out of the MPR wagoners, but it looks like there's one on there.

How can he have a townread on frayed and say there haven't been any tells yet? Direct contradictions are scummy. VOTE: Kirbyoshi

[diddin]

The more I read, the less I'm liking diddin. Trying to push the whole "town vote for yourself" idea is bad enough, but then he comes up with this:

I found a direct contradiction in kirby's words somewhere.

He posts this:

Un-Town Vote diddin, Town Vote: frayed

This is a serious vote. Early town read on frayed.

Then his next post he says there haven't been any tells yet:

I don't think there have been any tells of consequence, if any at all. Looks like people are just feeling each other out, throwing votes around, seeing what sticks.

What reasoning on the MPR wagon? There is none, and I'd even be willing to bet there's overeager scum on it. It would take some wagon analyzing (which I'll probably end up doing) to figure out who's most likely to be scum out of the MPR wagoners, but it looks like there's one on there.

How can he have a townread on frayed and say there haven't been any tells yet? Direct contradictions are scummy. VOTE: Kirbyoshi

Which is just silly because, as SGR said, it's not a contradiction.

Pair that with a lot of FoSes and HoSes without a vote and my eyebrows are raised.

Unvote, Vote: diddin

And I'm willing to toss the Smash Ball to Fate, I suppose.

Town Vote: Fate

Please explain where I threw around a lot of FoSes and HoSes without a vote. And I don't plan on self-townvoting forever, I'm just doing it until I find someone I believe is suitable for the Smash Ball.

[diddin]

I self-townvoted as a gambit to end RVS early and generate discussion.

It's not harming anybody now and I'm too lazy to un-townvote so I'll keep it where it is.

I reread the Kirby thing again, and I see the mistake I made. When looking at it in an ISO it looks a lot scummier than when you look at it in the context of other people's posts. However, I still like Pikahydra's case on kirby so I'm keeping my vote for now.

[diddin]

What's the point of a gambit if you're not serious about it? I certainly generated discussion by self-townvoting, which meant I met my goal of ending RVS. I think had I not been so serious about it people would dismiss it as random RVS behavior.

[diddin]

I was using it to generate discussion and get out of RVS, i didn't seriously think everyone would actually self-townvote. Now that we're clearly out of RVS I believe I can

un-townvote

.

I also don't understand Kocc42's total 180 from not thinking what I'm doing is any different than what fate's doing to BOTH townvoting fate and voting me in the same post without even giving a reason I'm scummy, just that I'm wrong, and being wrong != being scummy.

[diddin]

@Diddin: I had to read through a lot of pages and reading quickly, I didn't see what was different between the 2 plays, after it was explained however I understood. Fate has a high expectation to meet and asked for the immunity and kill. You proposed a pointless strategy of everyone only self voting and now you claim it was just to make things take a serious turn. But if you hadn't been called out for it would you have continued, under the guise that you're just a cautious townie?

WIFOM, but I was planning on outing it eventually, yes.

[diddin]

Honestly right now the wagon on me is terrible, half the people on it haven't even contributed original reasoning and just sheeped. People like VEZOKENER are likely scum who are trying to blend in by voting the leading wagon.

I self-townvoted as a gambit to end RVS early and generate discussion.

It's not harming anybody now and I'm too lazy to un-townvote so I'll keep it where it is.

it is really scummy. i don't believe in any RVS-ending gambit. and after re-reading the original post, i really don't think it was an intentional gambit, so diddin is lying and should be lynched.

Pure WIFOM and what about it makes you think i'm lying?

@Diddin: I had to read through a lot of pages and reading quickly, I didn't see what was different between the 2 plays, after it was explained however I understood. Fate has a high expectation to meet and asked for the immunity and kill. You proposed a pointless strategy of everyone only self voting and now you claim it was just to make things take a serious turn. But if you hadn't been called out for it would you have continued, under the guise that you're just a cautious townie?

Also pointless WIFOM and never even explains why it's scummy. He sounds like I planned on having everyone self-townvote forever, which I wasn't.

Y'know, I just read diddin's iso, and I don't buy it.

unlynch vote: Mongoose
lynch vote: diddin

Still don't like Mongoose, though.

Wagonvote with no reasoning given.

Let's lynch diddin then.

unvote
Vote diddin

Bandwagon vote for no reason.

So my wagon is pretty much screaming scumdriven right now over WFOM and RVS gambits.

[diddin]

I've already defended my actions as good as I can. The rest of the people on my wagon are just assuming I was lying about my gambit when I wasn't. Nothing I can really do for that that I already haven't.


I'm voting kirbyoshi, I'm just not townvoting anybody right now.

[diddin]

[FRIEND]

WHAT ABOUT FATE'S VOTE

While it's true I haven't commented too much on other wagons, I've been defending myself so much I haven't really had time. I don't know why but I haven't really gotten into this game too much. I can say I like Pikachu's case on Kirby a lot and he's my current choice for lynch.

also,

Town-Vote: Furry

. IMO he's been more town than Fate but I wouldn't be against fate getting a smash ball.

Nacho's vote was before I said that the apparent contradiction with Kirby was due to me taking it out of context. Ever since that he hasn't said a word about me, so it's hard to tell what he thinks now.

[diddin]

Switz votes me for the apparent contradiction that I explained to be out of context, hasn't commented on me since, as well as this odd "people FoSing and HoSing him with out voting" thing I don't understand.

Reads on people on my wagon.

Fate and Pikachu are probably town.

Neutral on nacho and switz, neutral-scummy on zazi.

VEZOKENER, manho, and kocc42 are most likely to be scum on my wagon IMO.

Now you may be asking "but diddin, you said that zazi bandwagoned on you horribly too!" While it's true zazi wagoned on me, outside of that his posts have been more town than vezo/manho/kocc.

Kirby wagon isn't taking off, and VEZOKENER coasting and calling for a mass name claim has eclipsed Kirby's scumminess. UNVOTE: , VOTE: VEZOKENER

Fate If I'm reading the rules correctly you don't need a majority of townvotes and just the most, as such I'm voting Furry because I think he's more town than you. If it turns out we do need majority I will townvote you.

[diddin]

Kirby's wagon may be the largest outside of mine, but I don't see it growing any time soon.

[diddin]

Seriously, what is the scum-motive to have everybody self-townvote at the beginning of RVS? Obviously somebody's gonna get the smashball, I don't see why it's scummy to recommend people to self-townvote to generate discussion.

I'm not claiming unless I'm at at least L-2 or there's a large amount of people who want me to.

[diddin]

Yeah I think it's time for me to claim.

I'm

Luigi, Vanilla Townie

I'm Mario's less liked little brother. I may be able to jump higher than him, but I have no powers other than the power to lynch.

Chronopie, I've done what i can, but I can't really say "A is wrong because of X, Y, Z" when A's case on me is "you lied about the self-townvoting thing." All that leads two is the mafia equivalent of two kids shouting at each other "NO YOU DIDN'T" "YES YOU DID" over and over again.

[diddin]

forgot something

[diddin]

you people have no sense of humor

[diddin]

I tried, I tried.

[diddin]

I am SO butthurt right now. Seriously. The fact that town won on such a little technicality is driving me nuts.
Besides, aren't the town point totals determined BEFORE someone is lynched? Because if someone being lynched has more town points than lynch votes, a no lynch occurs.

/continues bitching

[diddin]

IMO town votes are tallied before lynch votes due to this fact: If a player has more town votes than lynch votes and is lynched, a no lynch occurs. This shows town votes have priority over a lynch.

[diddin]

I think I know who frayed is but I have no clue who Fate is. I know he likes to keep that a secret so I won't even bother asking.