Super Smash Bros. Mafia! GAME OVER!!

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QUICK DRAW CONFIRM
Man, this will be my first official game here, hope everything goes well

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I have no idea what you guys are talking about
My link worked just fine...
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Oops

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In retrospective, I don't even know what that link is about
I just searched for Master Hand's posts and saw this thread
Derp

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I have no idea what you guys are talking about
My link worked just fine...
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Oops

Unvote

Vote: SGR

His link worked! he must be scum!!

...oh wait... I'm here as well... hmm

You can't even vote yet...
Wait...
Why did you unvote if you didn't vote before?

Maybe you, by mistake, thought you voted in this thread while you actually voted in a forum you created for your scumbuddies

Vote: Tanstalas

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Pretending I'm being stupid to save your friend, hun? That ain't gonna work with me, pal

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Hope not
That means we'l have to wait until August 1st 12:00 AM

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Vote: Tanstalas

Because I want to make the most of my precious RVS, DAMNIT

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Why is Meh Plus Rawr hated by everyone? :<

Vote Town: MPR

:3

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INCOMING FLURRY OF PUNCHES ATATATATATATATATATATATATATATATATATATATATATATATA

Looks as if this has finally started so...

VOTE: Gandalf for reasons that if you read Newbie 976 you would understand.

Could you please specify or resume what you mean?

Anyone not self-town voting is risking giving a smash ball to scum.

If everyone self votes, no one gets protection and no one vigs, which helps the scum, not us.
Meaning: You earn more by town voting and sometimes having bad luck and town voting scum than not town voting and giving the entire edge to the scum.

FoS: Diddin

Vote: MPR

Sorry, but if Fate was fooled to think you were mafia, then I'm going to vote against you :<
Reason, because the last game I played in I too was fooled.

What u on about, dude?

FoS: Bunnylover

VOTE: SGR

Cuz OMGUS votes kick ass

DON'T VOTE ME AGAIN, YOU SUCK

Unvote Lynch

Alright, playtime is over, bitches

Looks as if this has finally started so...

VOTE: Gandalf for reasons that if you read Newbie 976 you would understand.

you just earned my vote.

Vote: Framm18

And cause I like controversy,

Town Vote: MehPlusRawr

Why? I agree that Meta is annoying, but we might as well learn what he means

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Kill: SocioPath

Vote: diddin

, GOD don't be so arrogant and vote for yourself for town nomination that's like nominating yourself for an award.

If you're town you're risking giving scum a smash ball by not self-townvoting. Town reads shouldn't be something thrown around early game.

Once again, that's wrong, and Town Reads in the beginning ARE possible

HoS: Diddin

Lynch Vote: Fate

hai. (Also hai to Almaster, Andrius, ani, furry, gandalf, kise, manho, mpr-kitten, nacho, nero, paltry, Socio, Vez/Reck, zazie, and anyone that I've played with but missed.)

Town Vote: Chrono

I am a great believer in trusting no-one until proven town. burnt once too often.

You ain't gonna get any votes by doing that, you might as well not vote at all, it'l lead to the same thing

Anyone not self-town voting is risking giving a smash ball to scum.

*sigh*

Vote: Pikachu

because a) Nominating yourself for an award works sometimes, and b) Because it is highly unlikely you have the role of Pikachu.

Town Vote: diddin

Oh wow it gets worse.

Kirby and diddin are both great early wagons, far better then MPR, if you are voting someone for the link thing it should be frayed. Kirby is a little more likely scum though.

Lynch Vote: Kirbyoshi
FoS diddin

What do you mean? I get you suspecting Diddin, but Kirbyoshi was clearly RVSing, and I get you giving a town read due to him thinking like you (although I don't think that's really enough to give a town read) but Fate hadn't even said something interesting to the game up from the beginning of the thread to that post, what the hell

A few things more

1) Fate lynch wagon is awful. I hate to use mod error, but it is there, and Fate is more likely then not town because of it. I will explain if needed but as a critical thinking exercise, try and figure it out on your own first. Only reason I am not town-voting Fate is that I would prefer vig powers in hands of someone who will think about it and is prob town then someone who is impuslive and almost for sure town at this point in a game.

Everyone had the broken link, not an argument

4) MPR is getting there with that last post of his.

Hum? You mean this?

Vote: Mongoose

He's just wagoning on me without even pretending to have a reason. Newbscum?

Vote: Kirbyoshi
Town Vote: Furry

Kirby is scum because of the lack of actual reasoning (and contradiction) in his voting patterns. Look at his town-vote of me, and then his statement where he says that "there hasn't been *any* tells of consequence" (which includes town-tells) and clearly an omgus vote.

Furry is town due to seeing Kirby and diddin scum; just like I do.

Derp
The guy was saying everyone was still feeling each other, that included him, he thought you were kinda townie and threw a vote to you to see if it would stick, just like he said
There's no contradiction in his post at all

Sigh, Pika. Am I gonna hafta put up with this from you all game?

imo, either nacho or Mongoose is the most likely to be scum based solely off of the MPR wagon, as they didn't even give RVS reasons. Mongoose even goes so far as to Town Vote someone else WITH reasoning, but not attach any reasoning to his LV on MPR.

There are NO RVS REASONS, that's the point, its random, that's the fun

unvote

I'll do a little look at the Kirby thing tomorrow cause it's late. I have no reason to change my town vote until I find a suitable candidate for it.

So now you say you're looking for a suitable candidate, hum... I'l have my eyes on you, mister.

Maybe WHY the case he presented has merit?

Nice sarcasm. Let's analyze this sentence shall we?
1. Capitalizes the "why" in this sentence when it should be lower case. This means he is trying to pronounce the obvious to the one whom it is talking to. Now the targetted person, was asking a simple question of what else he could have done. Nothing more and nothing less. He did nothing to activate this type of aggression. Thus it is eagily triggered agression. This would be a trait found in someone who is nervous of being found out as something like a third party or a mafiaite.

Lynch Vote: Kirbyoshi

To answer the question: It was nicely said and follows up on the facts.

What type of agression? He was just pressing the Why because you didn't say WHY you found his statement good.
Although I agree with you on one point, I really don't see why he attacked that town vote of yours, suspicious

I was offering a suggestion, SSK. Do you not take kindly to suggestions?

Then why did you capitalize a word when it was not necessary? It can be seen as if you put an exclamation mark right after the word.

I dunno if you are naturally over reacting to this or making sure we all think he's wrong by stressing the why

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Correcting something I said

What do you mean? I get you suspecting Diddin, but Kirbyoshi was clearly RVSing, and I get you giving a town read due to him thinking like you (although I don't think that's really enough to give a town read) but Fate hadn't even said something interesting to the game up from the beginning of the thread to that post, what the hell

What I meant was:

What do you mean? I get you suspecting Diddin, but Kirbyoshi was clearly RVSing, and I get you giving a town read to Pikachu due to him thinking like you (although I don't think that's really enough to give a town read) but Fate hadn't even said something interesting to the game up from the beginning of the thread to that post, what the hell

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I dunno, when it comes to vote lynches, I'm in "heavy sleep", it takes me something solid to start a vote lynch, but it'l be hard for me to unvote.

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And by solid, I mean really solid

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Oh, alright, I thought you were being serious, nevermind

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I won't vote Seth because it might be RVS and because I want to know his reasons before going straight out on him

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1) So?
2) Once again, RVS doesn't need any reasons, that's the point
3) It was probably RVS, it might have also been him wanting to do something before going away, not exactly scummy

But whatever, you guys can try to lynch Seth, I'm fairly sure you won't be able to vote him off anyways, and even if you do, I doubt he has some really important role

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Alright, so I just did my first ISO on everyone, and I found 2 things
1) There are still many lurkers, then again, its still early
2) Moongoose is suspicious, he's just following whatever wagon seems to be bigger or going somewhere.

FoS: Moongoose

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On second thought, I'l go with a

HoS: Moongoose

, considering he's been warned about his wagoning, he said he was sorry and that he just voted because he thought everyone else was right, and then

he did it again

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Come on dude, be honest here, you just want to lynch every single one that vote lynched you

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First of all, that has been said before by frayed himself, and second, that's false
The guy was saying everyone was still feeling each other, that included him, he thought Frayed was being kinda townie and voted him to see if it would stick, just like he said
There's no contradiction in his post at all

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You are very naive, BunnyLover

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Its not about being cautious, I just don't like voting without something very solid, that's just how I am

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Fate, you are aware that you can only win one day, right?
Are you sure you want the Vig-Kill and the Invulnerability right on this first night? You won't be able to use it any other day, and everyone seems to trust you here (not sure why), so why not wait until a better day when you are sure of a target?
Unless you already have something in mind now, or unless you wanna escape from a possible kill.

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Its not just about me not trusting you
Even if I was 100% you're town and trustable, the fact remains you would use the smash ball as a quick protection for just one night.
Are you expecting to be dead by Night 3?

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Night 2, I mean
And of course, assuming you use the Smash Ball Night 1

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Although I'm not sure if we can trust you, I'm gonna help you out
I'l definitely start suspecting if you use the Smash Ball wrongly and then start being alive for quite some time, though

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Town Vote: Fate

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Ups

Town Unvote

Town Vote: Fate

Forgot I had one for Meh Plus Rawr, derpity derp

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It wouldn't be a loss in your reputation if you ended up outsmarting everyone as a Mafia, don't you think?

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You have made the same mistake 2 times this game, Frayed
Voting for a Lynch =/= Voting for Townie
I need something solid when taking someone out of the game, its obviously different when giving someone a power.
Way before I said I needed something solid, I gave my 2 cents on Town Voting here:

If everyone self votes, no one gets protection and no one vigs, which helps the scum, not us.
Meaning: You earn more by town voting and sometimes having bad luck and town voting scum than not town voting and giving the entire edge to the scum.

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Not necessarily
A Scum might see it as you do and quickly town vote you
Not only has he trust points, he also wins if you end up killing someone that isn't from the Mafia

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Glad to be the only guy you consider town, derp
Although I wonder why you think Gandalf and Nacho are scum, as well as Chronopie, that lynch vote against Fate was RVS, you are aware of that, right?
The only thing Kirby has said that was scummy was slightly supporting Diddin, so I dunno why you are on a wagon against him too

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Oh, and I guess Gandalf went into the Seth bandawagon, but come on

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Diddin, even if you find someone who is suitable, you can only give him the smash ball for one day.

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Guys, we should use the smash ball like an extra lynch- before we lynch someone, come to a consensus about who to vig. If the recipient of the smash ball doesn't vig that person, we'll lynch them the next day. So, we basically get two lynches. Does everyone agree?

So, we like, make a second vote lynch?
A good idea, but it won't work, for various reasons

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I assume you haven't read much of the thread if that's the scummiest thing you found in this whole discussion, Paltry

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However the con is that if the mafia know who we are going to vig kill they can swap that person with another so the vig ends up killing someone else (which may end up with a townie dying from vig kill AND then we lynch the vig the next day who may also flip town)

Please explain.

And I disagree with having a town directed vig kill. If we trust someone enough for them to be voted town by the majority of the players in the game, then I think we should trust them with the vig kill, as far as early game goes. I think that would be a plan to implement D5, when all the obvtown people begin to clear out/lose the ability to have smash balls.

Bus driver

We tell whoever has the ball to kill person X
Mafia Bus driver swaps person X with Townie A
Vig ends up killing townie A
Town gets pissed next day because vig didn't kill person X and instead kills a townie
Town lynches vig because they killed a townie and find out that vig was a townie as well

Not sure who mods handle night actions here, have not played a game on MS yet that has had a bus driver. I would assume the above would happen unless vig PM's mod with his NK before a bus driver switched people?

If vig put PM to mod before bus driver would, would vig get the NK then the driver just swap the dead body with whoever?

That's indeed bad, I wouldn't be surprised if there were redirecters and/or busdrivers around here, maybe we shouldn't do it after all.
Plus, they could make us lynch the one who used the smash ball, because he used it on someone he wasn't supposed to target

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Mega FoS: tanstalas

I actually thought of the EXACT same argument as you and agree 100% that we should not have town directed kills. There is absolutely NOO way that the mafia does not have a way to counter this ... other wise the town would just have double lynches, which is broken as hell. HOWEVER, playing the newbie card as the response is a TERRIBLE play. Positively screams scum trying to cover tracks.

FATE response later.

You're giving him a FoS because he said he was kinda newbie in response to not knowing that the Bus Driver is a random role?
Derp

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Mega FoS: tanstalas

I actually thought of the EXACT same argument as you and agree 100% that we should not have town directed kills. There is absolutely NOO way that the mafia does not have a way to counter this ...

other wise the town would just have double lynches, which is broken as hell.

HOWEVER, playing the newbie card as the response is a TERRIBLE play. Positively screams scum trying to cover tracks.

FATE response later.

So, you agree with me, but yet you FoS me, actually "MEGA" FoS me Why wouldn't you just give me the HoS?

I was mentioning my inexperience for NOT knowing all the roles, and similar roles. If you read Switz comment he mentioned that the Bus Driver is a random role to just pluck out of the air for discussion. The reason I said I was new was because I was trying to give an example as to why a town directed vig kill was bad IMO. I picked a role I knew about as nacho asked me to explain my previous post. If I knew all the roles like the back of my hand which could negate the kill I would have listed them as well.

Also something about how you worded the above bolded doesn't sit right with me.. Probably the fact you said "the town" rather than "otherwise we would have double lynches" - I'm probably reading too much into your post, or it was a slip. Either way I like my vote where it stands now, however I am going to give you:

HoS: Pikachu

OMGUS, no doubt

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@Fate - I have no reason to think OMG YOU ARE OBVTOWN like everybody else does. Especially when this is a SELF-DECLARATION supported by people like Nacho, who loves one liners and not explaining himself and a dude I think is scum.

Soo the only reason I would townvote you right now is because I think you would make a good shot, like you say here:

I'm promising a huge 28 player game that I'll use it in a pro-town matter though. My reputation is at stake, and I won't fail to deliver.

Which is bullshit, because if you are scum and you pull it off, people aren't going to blame you afterwards and say, "OMG U SUCK AS TOWN ... AS SCUM." They'll say, "good play." Not to mention it's not hard to spin a shot on slightly scummy town player as a protown play (while still avoiding shooting scum).

Also, for meta, you don't need to read scumgame. You just cross-reference town game with whether or not you think the player is capable enough to take advantage of that town meta as scum. Relevant facts
-You usually come under fire at some point
-Self-declaring as town is something might do
-Possible scum play is, get the shot by being loud and self-declaring yourself as town, then not shoot scum, people hate you but who cares you stole the shot from town and were probably going to get lynched anyway so oh well.

Again, this doesn't prove you are scum and it isn't even the LIKELY SCENARIO. It is just POSSIBLE. And given that I have no OTHER reason to vote for you as town, why would I?

BUT HEY, WE'RE JUST ONE VOTE. IF YOU GET THE GUN ANYWAY AND SHOOT SCUM, THEN FINE YOU'RE RIGHT AND I'M WRONG.

tl;dr

I have no reason to believe you are town.

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Even if he's scum, giving him the Vig Kill will probably do more good than bad, tbh, we can just lynch him if he, "by mistake" kills someone else, and well, if he kills scum to be less suspicious, I don't believe that would work, considering its a very risky move

On second thought, I'l go with a

HoS: Moongoose

, considering he's been warned about his wagoning, he said he was sorry and that he just voted because he thought everyone else was right, and then

he did it again

QFT.

TBQH, my seth vote was more to see who would jump on the bandwagon than anything. Mongoose came out looking the worst for his response to my vote, for reasons SGRaaize beat me to (lol @ people voting someone for the same thing they just did <_<). Gandalf is neutral, MPR comes across as overeager town imo. Also relatively certain SGRaaize is town (though not quite certain enough to feel willing to dole out a townvote yet).

Unlynchvote; Lynch Vote: Mongoose

Tanstalas gives me bad vibes, too. I'm just not sure I buy his apparent confidence that there's a anti-town bus driver stemming from being new rather than from being

aware

that there's an anti-town bus driver. However, Furry's most recent post is probably on the mark and there are certainly bigger fish to fry right now.

FOS: Tanstalas

@Furry: Why is MPR a good lynch?

Thank you

On second thought, I'l go with a

HoS: Moongoose

, considering he's been warned about his wagoning, he said he was sorry and that he just voted because he thought everyone else was right, and then

he did it again

QFT.

TBQH, my seth vote was more to see who would jump on the bandwagon than anything. Mongoose came out looking the worst for his response to my vote, for reasons SGRaaize beat me to (lol @ people voting someone for the same thing they just did <_<). Gandalf is neutral, MPR comes across as overeager town imo. Also relatively certain SGRaaize is town (though not quite certain enough to feel willing to dole out a townvote yet).

Unlynchvote; Lynch Vote: Mongoose

Tanstalas gives me bad vibes, too. I'm just not sure I buy his apparent confidence that there's a anti-town bus driver stemming from being new rather than from being

aware

that there's an anti-town bus driver. However, Furry's most recent post is probably on the mark and there are certainly bigger fish to fry right now.

FOS: Tanstalas

@Furry: Why is MPR a good lynch?

You guys make me laugh. You and Furry both.

Stop beating the "OMG if there is a mafia bus driver he must be scum" horse. I already said that was the one of the few roles I knew of that could interfere with the smash ball kill

Seriously, I'm glad now I don't know about other roles as if I had mentioned them and there turned out to be one of those roles that the mafia had I'd be seriously screwed

I never even knew of a role called a "redirector" before you mentioned it Furry, so I guess by your logic - if there turns out to be a redirector and he is mafia then that must mean you are scum? See how stupid that logic is?

However, all this might be good, maybe if I get enough suspicion on me I will be investigated and then you will see that I am pro-town.

Note to all - don't mention what roles mafia may have, because if you do, and it turns out there is one then Furry, Zaziesurio and others with that mentality will probably BW you

Even if you got investigated, no investigator would admit that he found you Pro-Town, and if he did, you would be obviously a scum target for the next night.
So yeah, either that was a bad bluff to try to make you look as if you don't care, or you're kinda new at this

FoS: Tantalas

[AGM]

ARHGHHHHHRUGHREUWAIRUGHspojdask;lqwresdoksc.

FINE.

MY EXPECTATIONS ARE HIGH. THIS MOVE HAD BETTER NOT MAKE ME DISSAPOINT.

Town Vote: Fate

Pretty much, as I said before, if Fate fails to kill scum and then stays alive for quite some time, I'm gonna try to vote him off as quickly as possible

3. Smash Ball. Players with a Smash Ball get a Night Kill. If you get a Night Kill,you can use it on anyone but themself. Players with the Smash Ball must use the Final Smash: [Insert Username] command. It is guaranteed to succeed regardless of when you send it in, who you want to kill, what alignment they're part of, etc.

someone read the rule. the smash ball kill is guaranteed to succeed. i really don't think the kill can be redirected, otherwise a scum redirector means another night kill for the scum. maybe someone can ask the mod to clarify it.

i disagree with the second lynch things, it ruin the propose of kingmaking fate.

still haven't decided the lynch vote.

Yeah, I was also fairly sure the Smashball couldn't be redirected, but, the rules are unclear

Unless there is a mafia bus driver.

People keep missing the forest for the trees, or is it the other way around, I dont remember. My point is, him bringing up a bus driver messing things up on its own is not suspicious untill you look at it closer. He says that a driver will use it to make the SB user kill a town player over their intented target if we lay out a necessary claim, this assumes that the bus driver is scum. Not that we have a bus driver. I would fully expect either a driver or redirector to be in this game, tans is expecting one that is anti-town. Huge difference. If an anti-town driver ever shows up, tans is probably scum. If not, this is all a null to very slight town tell.

And:

Because what he is saying we do gives the scum influence over the vig kill regardless of whos hands it ends up in. People will already be held responsable enough for their kill to prevent random shootings, but what he suggests takes the power away from who the town is calling town and giving it to a group that has scum in it influencing the choice.

Sorry for being dumb, Furry, but tell me something
Do you believe in the existance of a Scum Redirector or Bus Driver?
If so, why are you trying to lynch MPR?

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@SGR - Nice read, I will reply to the two parts that concern me:

How is that HoS an OMGUS? I thought OMGUS was reserved for
A)A vote, not a HoS

It really doesn't matter, what matters is that you are suspecting him directly because he's suspecting you

B)A vote with absolutely no reason for the vote, I gave reasoning for the HoS

Your reason for HoSing him was even lamer than his reason to HoS you

Also, for the investigation thing, we have no idea what roles are in this game, with 28 people there is a chance that there may be town-masons in the game and a cop may be in with that group, if so, he can advise that group that I am XXXXX and pro-town, which would mean that scum wouldn't target me as I haven't been "verified" town in public.

A mason with a cop in it? Jesus Christ, you really like going with improbable setups, don't you?

As far as the "scum" taking me out, you are assuming that I do not have any night power to prevent myself from being NK'd or that I may also be protected.

Why would you imply that? That'l only make the Mafia more curious, assuming you're not Mafia, of course

I know I have thrown a lot of "if" scenerios out there, however I am trying to encourage as much conversation as I can so we can get down to scumhunting by looking for slips and scum-tells.

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You're just creating pointless discussions, something Mafia likes to do a lot to stall the game

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Sorry for being dumb, Furry, but tell me something
Do you believe in the existance of a Scum Redirector or Bus Driver?
If so, why are you trying to lynch MPR?

I have no reason to believe in one. If I thought there was one people would know, im not that big of a fan of subtelty when it comes to getting things done.

Due to that im still figuring out which of the three I mentioned needs to be lynched. Currently MPR hold that esteemed honor.

But MPR was the one to suggest the idea of Night Lynch, and you seem to agree that it would be very improbable for them to be able to use that idea against us
So, you just disagree with the idea? Or is there another reason why you vote MPR?

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I'm not seeing how diddin's selftownvoting was any different from what Fate is doing.

The difference is that he said everyone should do it themselves
Meaning, everyone should self-vote
Meaning, everyone should give the edge to the scum

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hmmmm....after reading this entire thread, which took me a billion years, I am going to do this..

UNVOTE: MPR

Also, Gollum, I do know better;-)

Add something to the discussion, you've been very quiet

FoS:

Gollum

[quote="Pikachu]HERP DERP, THAT'S RIGHT. Tt reads way more scumslip than noob, at least to me. [/quote]

Can't see why

Also the fact that nacho says he is town just makes me think he is scum more, because with the exception of him trying REALLY HARD to get me to give Fate that town vote his posts are unsettling.

Half of those posts were RVS, and the other half were him making great points against Diddin, what the heck

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It cannot be manipulated in any shape or form that isn't the person with the Smash Ball. It goes through litterally everything.

Hmm...this makes it sound like town CAN guide the shot. That basically gives us two lynches per day, though, which seems a bit ridiculous...

Whatever. Even if this is true, I think FOR THE EARLY GAME we should just let the person shoot whomever they want. This way, scum and dumbtown can't interfere with the shot. We can play around with consensus shooting later when things become more tight.

you're giving him a FoS because he said he was kinda newbie in response to not knowing that the Bus Driver is a random role?
Derp

HERP DERP, THAT'S RIGHT. Tt reads way more scumslip than noob, at least to me.

Also the fact that nacho says he is town just makes me think he is scum more, because with the exception of him trying REALLY HARD to get me to give Fate that town vote his posts are unsettling.

ALSO SETH STOP SELF-VOTING. YOU AREN'T COOL. Change that vote to some scum. Unless you are scum, in which case go ahead and leave it there. Or unless it's a mod error, in which case mod fix pl0x.

@bolded - Or we could be giving the mafia an extra kill per day as well, sorry to be the debbie downer here, but are you 100% sure that the person everyday who gets the smash ball is pro-town? Also by using the smash ball we have a greater chancer in the EARLY game to accidently take out a fellow townie as there (probably - unless we have a bastard mod ) are a lot more townies than mafia.

If

anything

we as a town should decide who to target with the ability

early game

since we KNOW if will ALWAYS work.
If the person with the ball doesn't kill who we as a TOWN say to kill then it's an easy vote the next day for a lynch

That's my thoughts on the matter anyhow, anyone else see anything I may have overlooked?

Agreed
If the scum doesn't follow someone we all say it is, he gets obviously lynched, that would be the principle of the idea
Which means, if we do the second lynch for someone who is very scummy, and that guy denies lynching that guy, not only would we have a confirmation of the first scummer, we would also have the confirmation of the second scummer who just ignored us and vote lynched someone else (that would be probably town, just to add to the injury)

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@tanstalas - NOOOO because there are SCUM in the game and they GET TO VOTE TOO. And they will NOT VOTE TO KILL SCUM. Also, there are probably lots of dumb townies who can mess up the vote as well. Whereas if we just give it to someone who is probtown and good at shooting gunz (which they better be 'cause we VOTED FOR THEM as obvtown, remember) then they can shoot scum without scum messing them up.

ALSO THE ABOVE POST WAS [AGM] TOO, SUCK IT NACHO.

The thing is... that may not always work, as you said, there are dumb newbies, and we can't keep town-voting the same guy
So, at a certain point, we'l have to go for the new guys
I really think Tanslata's idea is good

Also MPR still needs lynching.

So far he has voted two people for wagoning him for no reason (not a bad thing, kids these days think it is for some reason) and suggested possibly the worst SB strategy out there. Link this is irrelevent to this case, only important for fate being town. I am sad no one has figured it out yet as to why it makes fate town.

untown vote
townvote fate

This needs doing. Fate now appears insane, but able to kill idiot scum easily enough.

Its a good idea, it works as a second lynch, we'l just have to play smartly with it
I'm willing to let Fate do this one alone, but I think next day we should start using the idea

@Furry: Is the MPR's strategy with the smashballs the same one as tastalas's?

Basically.

Any "everyone decides how it gets used" thing is a bad idea. You just hold people responsable for their kill and we will be fine.

WHY?
Why do you want everyone responsible? If we use this as a second vote-lynch, we will be able to bust Mafia easily, its fair worse if they can just kill random townies and say "Oops, sorry guys, he was really acting scummy in "[Random Number]" and "[Random Number]""
If we just go with a second vote-lynch, we will be able to bust scum, not only that, but it might lead us to finding 2 scummies instead of 1 in one night, and if you add this to having lynched 1 scummy before, its a total of 3 Scummies killed because of one smash ball

There are NO RVS REASONS, that's the point, its random, that's the fun

Meh, agreeing to disagree. Imo, the fun is in making up some weird reason for voting for someone and then watching their reaction to the vote.

Regardless, many guys use it in the sense I said rather than yours

I'm against the secondary lynch for reasons others have stated.

Also:
1. The town is compromised of scum, whereas if you "King" town (me) you are guaranteed unbiased decision making.
2. Trying to discuss two lynches at once is very difficult and not optimal because the game is designed that you can only make one at a time for a reason: To be able to search for connections only after the first flip, which can't be done as it will be night.
3. I'm Fate and I like killing scum with my own hands.

Soon, our "king" will be powerless
What then?

Honestly right now the wagon on me is terrible, half the people on it haven't even contributed original reasoning and just sheeped. People like VEZOKENER are likely scum who are trying to blend in by voting the leading wagon.

I self-townvoted as a gambit to end RVS early and generate discussion.

It's not harming anybody now and I'm too lazy to un-townvote so I'll keep it where it is.

it is really scummy. i don't believe in any RVS-ending gambit. and after re-reading the original post, i really don't think it was an intentional gambit, so diddin is lying and should be lynched.

Pure WIFOM and what about it makes you think i'm lying?

@Diddin: I had to read through a lot of pages and reading quickly, I didn't see what was different between the 2 plays, after it was explained however I understood. Fate has a high expectation to meet and asked for the immunity and kill. You proposed a pointless strategy of everyone only self voting and now you claim it was just to make things take a serious turn. But if you hadn't been called out for it would you have continued, under the guise that you're just a cautious townie?

Also pointless WIFOM and never even explains why it's scummy. He sounds like I planned on having everyone self-townvote forever, which I wasn't.

Y'know, I just read diddin's iso, and I don't buy it.

unlynch vote: Mongoose
lynch vote: diddin

Still don't like Mongoose, though.

Wagonvote with no reasoning given.

Let's lynch diddin then.

unvote
Vote diddin

Bandwagon vote for no reason.

So my wagon is pretty much screaming scumdriven right now over WFOM and RVS gambits.

Your strategy was awful, you then proceeded to mask it as if you were just misunderstood and then you proceeded to mask it as just a way to advance from RVS
No, just no

[FRIEND]

WHAT ABOUT FATE'S VOTE

While it's true I haven't commented too much on other wagons, I've been defending myself so much I haven't really had time. I don't know why but I haven't really gotten into this game too much. I can say I like Pikachu's case on Kirby a lot and he's my current choice for lynch.

also,

Town-Vote: Furry

. IMO he's been more town than Fate but I wouldn't be against fate getting a smash ball.

Nacho's vote was before I said that the apparent contradiction with Kirby was due to me taking it out of context. Ever since that he hasn't said a word about me, so it's hard to tell what he thinks now.

Ladies and Gentleman, a clear desperate statement that will hopefully lead to a save from his lynch
Not gonna happen

Kirby's wagon may be the largest outside of mine, but I don't see it growing any time soon.

Nice bullshit, you're clearly desperate

Hey, why don't you claim your character, Diddin? You're clearly gonna get vote lynched here, you don't even need to say your ability (or if you have one), just tell me your character, please

Last but not least:

I was using it to generate discussion and get out of RVS, i didn't seriously think everyone would actually self-townvote. Now that we're clearly out of RVS I believe I can

un-townvote

.

I also don't understand Kocc42's total 180 from not thinking what I'm doing is any different than what fate's doing to BOTH townvoting fate and voting me in the same post without even giving a reason I'm scummy, just that I'm wrong, and being wrong != being scummy.

This is such a filthy lie it annoys me

Vote Lynch: Diddin

[SGRaaize]

Also, even if you legit believed that, you were CLEARLY not "waiting for someone to vote" or "trying to advance the RVS stage"

[SGRaaize]

Hum... Luigi...
Not sure if I can trust him.
I'l still keep my vote, but I'm kinda afraid of having everyone jump in, I wouldn't be surprised if he was town

[SGRaaize]

What I mean is:
At this stage of the wagon, everyone can jump in the wagon without worrying
I'm afraid of Mafia jumping now and quickly voting him off, with him being town
Regardless, I'l keep my vote

[SGRaaize]

you people have no sense of humor

Weegee is kind of an old and unfunny meme, lol
But hey, at least you didn't say "Epic Fail" or "Epic Win", or "Epic", or "Lulz"

[SGRaaize]

Oh shit
You're gonna get hammered by MPR as soon as he finds out of his mistake
/Salutes
Sorry, Diddin...

But you're already dead

[SGRaaize]

Beelzebub is awesome
Yeah, just wanted to say that

[SGRaaize]

I agree with Luigi being the most easiest role to claim as well as Mario. The chances that we lynch a Luigi in Day 1 is probably 1/28 or even 0%, assuming that Luigi even exists in this game. Just a thought.

Beelzebub is awesome
Yeah, just wanted to say that

Trying to get all friendly with me, eh?
But in truth, Beelzebub is awesome.

Of course not
Russians are also awesome

[SGRaaize]

Town really suffered from the Smash Ball kills early on. Fate (and a mafia faction) destroyed frayed early on, which was a useful town PR. SGRaaize was a good kill, IMO, while surprising for everyone.

No it wasn't ._.