Super Smash Bros. Mafia! GAME OVER!!

[mothrax]

Back from V/LA, will reread and try and get caught up...

[mothrax]

Alright... time for me to make my debut in this game. I appologize for being V/LA the entirety of the first day, but I have had a decent chance to catch up. I hope to make up for my absence with the rest of the game.
I am not sure where to put my lv, but for now...

Town Vote: Furry

His play has been the most consistent so far, and that to me is a towntell.

[mothrax]

Ok, so I appologize again for not posting but it is really hard to keep track of a game I missed the whole first day of... I feel like I replaced in...
But here is an attempt at content...
Mongoose has not been incredibly active(hypocrytical I know...) but he buddied early d1 with diddin... also, he jumped on the gandalf wagon after the claim. I think anyone who did this is scummy... gandalf put town in a crappy position for d2... we have two options... lynch him and one of three things happens... he flips jester, we lose. he flips BP, we lose a day, or he flips scum, we kill scum... a 66% chance of a really negative action happening...
or we let him live and nothing bad happens, though if he survives the night, he is scum... (unless he is protected, which is up to the doc)
for now:

lynchvote: Mongoose
untownvote, townvote nacho

furry's reaction to the claim is a mild bit offputting, enough for him not to be the towniest in my eyes... not scummy, but a def nuetral read at this point.

[mothrax]

Let's start with a

lynchvote Mongoose

I would have rather seen him die last night than gandalf, but the bp scrrewed that up. Nacho is even more confirmed town after his stance on roleclaim, for reasons I'm not going to bring up.

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I am still content with my mongoose vote. His admitance early D1 to following the MPR bandwagon, on top of his consistent posting of setup speculation and little else ping my dar.
As for my town vote: It takes balls to be pushing a lynch that no one else is on board with... It reads either way pro-town, or way scummy trying to slip under the radar. IMO, with the rest of their posts, Pika is leaning in the way town direction and therefore

Townvote: Pikachu

[mothrax]

There are two scumteams, so that isn't really a tell for me.

[mothrax]

Actually, I am down with that, Pikahydra... Zaziehydra pulled off bussing 101.
UNVOTE: MongooseVOTE: Zaziesurio

[mothrax]

And if you are lynched without that knowledge, that means your scumbuddies don't have that knowledge, which means a less informed night kill... so sad for you...

Lynch Vote Bunnylover
Town Vote Pikachu

Also, you are at L-a lot... no need to get over defensive and see your own lynch yet, that can come when we get you to L-1, and you flail like the scum you are. Overreaction reads as scummy.
Preview Edit: Fate stole my logic!

[mothrax]

I posted a reason. I didn't like your reaction to being put at 3 votes... l-8. I read it as overreaction and I read overreaction as scum.

[mothrax]

Dana, I don't like that post at all. "everyone stop looking at your own suspects and look only at these two people." when we get closer to deadline, I will agree with this, but now, no.

[mothrax]

I'll go back to that vote, let's get a claim from him... UNVOTE: VOTE: Mongoose

[mothrax]

Kirby, while I appreciate you defending me, I can do it on my own. Also, that action makes me leary of you... trying to set up my lynch in case you flip?

I don't have a scumread on fate, just an arrogant read. I think my dislike of him comes more from playstyle than anything.
At this point, starting a new wagon is pointless, and I really don't see any foundation for the MPR wagon. I don't have a strong scum read on Mongoose(strong being the key word, and implying that I do have a scum read on them.) but out of the two wagons atm, his is the best option.

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Also, furry: reasons, or just trying to set up lynches?

[mothrax]

meh, it was more of a hypothetical than anything. I deal in hypotheticals and no one is safe in those.

[mothrax]

Can I get enough players to agree with this:
Dana may or may not be scum. I have no real read/leaningtown read on them. However, the constant wagon swithching without even getting a claim from them is rediculous. Wagons are built for purposes of pressure and intent to lynch. That means there needs to be an actual threat from wagons for them to be pro-town, something that is seriously lacking in this game. The main reason for that: The blind "follow the fate" game that seems to be happening. His behavior is rediculous. Anti-Town. If it were closer to deadline I would say he is trying to string out the town to force a no lynch.

Unlynchvote:Mongoose, Lynchvote: Fate

(braces self for the incoming wagon)

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Not entirely accurate Stels, watchers see who else targets a person. There is a good chance that no one targeted mongoose. Not so sure about claiming nothing on Fate though.

[mothrax]

furry how can you have a "leaning to be scum with diddin" read on me? We never once interacted due to my V/LA

[mothrax]

It looks like the work of a scum janitor... but I don't know why we wouldn't have seen it before...

[mothrax]

Ok, thanks for clarifying. I was just curious at how you arrived to that conclusion.

[mothrax]

Lynchvote:mongoose
townvote:mothrax

I feel like we should have followed through with this yesterday.

[mothrax]

Yeah, I got hit with the hands prodding stick. Not much to contribute other than I have been reading and am confused as to why mongoose is still alive.

[mothrax]

I have no problem starting the nameclaim if you want I should go first. Even if it does put me in a bad situation. I have been opposed to nameclaim from the start but it looks like at this point I have no choice. Just keep in mind the flips like jigglypuff etc. That have flipped.

[mothrax]

I am meta knight, VT. Which is why I opposed claiming. Since people I have a relatively strong townread on are pushing it I will follow.
Next.

town vote furry

[mothrax]

Meta knight was one of the main villains in the game. His move set is pretty vanilla though, just fast like pit. I'm not a fan.

[mothrax]

It might just be my internal omgus senses tingling, but for some reason I don't buy Chrono's claim...

[mothrax]

Now here's what bugs me. "Traitor Mafia" + Blue Flip, would suggest two scum teams.

But we had one Smash Vig Kill + One kill. Supposing two Scum Teams + Smash Vig + possible SK, we should have 3-4 kills per night. We had two. So we either have doc(s), Jailkeeper(s), BPT(s), or NKImm SK/GF(s). (Also, The smash vig kill ignores all Protects/NKImm abilities, I asked)

why not bring up the posibility of a vig... you knew there was one in the game... also, this was on an odd night, and yet there were only two kills... shouldnt there have hypothetically have been 4 if you are odd night vig?

iso 14: defending mongoose... poorly.
iso 16: let the BP live even though he said his ability only happens with nk's so lets let him get nk'd
iso's 18 and 19: LV mongoose with no reason, then unvotes shortly after to "make nacho happy" (bussing?)
iso 20: more mongoose defense "he isn't villain scum" (still throws in possible traitor scum)
iso 22: mongoose and gollum can't be scumbuddies...
N.B. both statements above were false... he did flip villain, and he and gollum were scumbuddies
iso 25: oic what you did there.... hmmm.... still doesn't clear you.
damnit...
between there and iso 37 we have wagon hopping and poor defense against votes "just have your scumbuddies kill me" said to fate (who flipped town) and furry, who is town or really really really good scum (unlikely) so everyone who votes for you is scum?
but then we have 37... more softclaiming for metaknight...
40: again with the if you want me dead get your scum team to kill me... again to furry.
your posting of the vc show d1 wagoning (jumped on kirby, then on the diddin lynch when it started gaining steam.
again with the wagoning on d3... d2, your vote goes by realtively un noticed(didn't even have one down for most of the counts...) but then you wagon MPR d-3, jump to dana when it looks like it is gaining steam, but even though you have expressed susspicion of mongoose, you dont vote him though his wagon is growing...
way late on the mongoose vote d4, bussing?
sharkfin rolefisshing... (heheh he is trying to catch a shark)
next "one of the last scum names might be metaknight... if you are a lyncher to meta, why would you say this... bc you know meta is town and want to get this person killed? (at this point I hadn't claimed)

the rest is pushing me as scum, which isn't true. And setup/role speculation.

Lynch Vote: Chronopie

[mothrax]

actually I did notice that... meant to say something about it...

[mothrax]

bunny, it is mothrax, not morthrax...
Also, just pointing out (someone who knows the game better than I can confirm) but how does snake/metaknight lyncher/lynchee pair work flavor wise?

[mothrax]

Sorry Chrono... you don't get a daykill today... already used it remember? or where you lying about killing palm?
and bunny, not if, but when.

[mothrax]

Sorry Chrono... you don't get a daykill today... already used it remember? or where you lying about killing palm?
and bunny, not if, but when.

If he already used his power, then is it possible that one of the scum team no longer is able to kill?
Each scum team get one kill = 2 in total
The smash gets a kill = 1 in total
Chrono gets his kill = 1 in total
Should be 4 in total.
Unless scum have targeted the same person last night.

Chrono is an odd day vig, meaning he kills during the day, so there should be three, but look at the flavor for fate... looks like two killers, meaning he was targeted twice...
Chrono killed palm d5, and since he is odd day, he gets to wait untill d7 to kill me... if this game lasts that long.

ninja'd by people...
3 times

[mothrax]

not at all... I try and reverse my lurker ways and all info gets ninja'd... then I am supposedly a lynchee... now thar be targets on me back... argg...

anyways... since you be hammered, why dontcha give us some reads... if ye be town, it will give us a conftown pov matey. if not, well it be of no use, but no foul either.

[mothrax]

Been following on my phone during my 5 minute smoke breaks, reading is easy but posting anything of note is not. Please don't lynch stels before I can throw things out there.

[mothrax]

Here is a thought... Why do we have to give chrono his wincon to see if he is telling the truth?
Why not lynch stels and smash chrono. If he flips third party or scum that clears me. If he flips town lyncher go ahead and lynch me tomorrow. I wouldn't be suppressed if he flipped odd day sk or something of the sort. Keep in mind he has done nothing but kill townies, and will kill another(me tomorrow) if he lives. The role is antitown at best.

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You seem really confident I'm going to flip scum... Especially for someone who is wrong about that. This is a game in the long streak of which I am a vt... My first 6 insure were like that. But if you are insistent on my death I will offer myself up as today's lynch provided that stels or chrono are smashed tonight.

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And you can say s lyncher-big all you want, the issue isn't that I can't read the issue is that knowing my role and knowing that you are a lyncher to a townie makes it really hard to believe you are town aligned.

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And whose to say one of the other vts isn't ddd in disguise.
Your iso shows that you have been softclaing looking for me so I believe that part, what I don't believe is your alignment.
Hopefully when I flip town you will see the light (town)

[mothrax]

lynchvote: stels; townvote bunny

Melodrama

[mothrax]

Just sayin, if sharkscum flips and I endgame, I am going to laugh in chrono's face if we ever meet in person. nothing personal, just for teh lulz.

[mothrax]

oh dear god people... the more we hypothisize about who scum is going to kill the more ideas it is going to give them.
I'm not so sure about the shark smash, I think I would need to see stels flip before I made my decision... not sure what it would be... but none of that matters really since bunny has the ball..

[mothrax]

The game will end without him killing his target. At least that is what I read...

[mothrax]

Hai chrono <3.
I enjoi being lynchee to your third party.
Enjoi rope?

[mothrax]

Meh, just don't vig me as soon as the day opens, give me a chance to get some flip reactions out. If you win with the town you will do that. Also, I would ask you not to big me if it causes the town to lose but I think that is a lost cause.

I'm still not certain about the shark smash, but bunny seems convinced.

[mothrax]

Furry fits the bill for blue info role, so I think they are my next choice...

[mothrax]

It's something about stefs interaction with shark... If stels flipsscum I would not smash shark.