Super Smash Bros. Mafia! GAME OVER!!

[Switz]

Totally not the last to confirm somehow. I think.

[Switz]

Looking at the game so far it seems the Kirby wagon's the best one to be on. The MPR wagon is just silly and there's not enough justification to join any of the others. I especially think the Mongoose case is ridiculous. And I'm not Town Voting yet because I think it's too early to start doing so.

Vote: Kirbyoshi

[Switz]

The more I read, the less I'm liking diddin. Trying to push the whole "town vote for yourself" idea is bad enough, but then he comes up with this:

I found a direct contradiction in kirby's words somewhere.

He posts this:

Un-Town Vote diddin, Town Vote: frayed

This is a serious vote. Early town read on frayed.

Then his next post he says there haven't been any tells yet:

I don't think there have been any tells of consequence, if any at all. Looks like people are just feeling each other out, throwing votes around, seeing what sticks.

What reasoning on the MPR wagon? There is none, and I'd even be willing to bet there's overeager scum on it. It would take some wagon analyzing (which I'll probably end up doing) to figure out who's most likely to be scum out of the MPR wagoners, but it looks like there's one on there.

How can he have a townread on frayed and say there haven't been any tells yet? Direct contradictions are scummy. VOTE: Kirbyoshi

Which is just silly because, as SGR said, it's not a contradiction.

Pair that with a lot of FoSes and HoSes without a vote and my eyebrows are raised.

Unvote, Vote: diddin

And I'm willing to toss the Smash Ball to Fate, I suppose.

Town Vote: Fate

[Switz]

@diddin:

I meant the vast number of people who are FoSing and HoSing you without committing to a vote. And if you're not planning to selfvote forever there's no point in doing it now.

[Switz]

Under that thinking, my first vote for lynchering is Switz. diddin's Kirbyoshi contradiction is false. However, the mistake is easily made IMO. Secondly, what scares me more is this line when voting diddin:

Pair that with a lot of FoSes and HoSes without a vote and my eyebrows are raised.

Why mention that others have FOS'd and HOS'd diddin? Why does that sway you to vote someone? This is ucky x11.

Why not mention it? I think it's interesting that a lot of people see diddin as "scummy-but-not-scummy-enough-to-vote-for." And as I recall, a lot of those people are voting Kirby, who I see as a worse choice for a wagon than diddin.

And I agree with Pikachu, the Bus Driver is a really random role possibility to spontaneously pull out for discussion.

[Switz]

Not to burst anyone's bubble, but aren't some Hiders made so that they also die if the person they are hiding behind is targeted?

Never EVER seen this. If the person they hide behind dies then yes. But not if they're targeted.

Not to mention the fact that even if they do die if their target gets targeted, if it happens early enough, we'll just lynch the previous Smash Ball holder, realize they're town, and still have enough people to not be horribly ruined by it.

And I'm siding with the SB-vig faction. If the one person with the Smash Ball picks their kill independently, then scum only gets a say if we pick someone who is scum. If we make it a second lynch, all of the scumteam gets to weigh in on the lynch.

[Switz]

Switz votes me for the apparent contradiction that I explained to be out of context, hasn't commented on me since, as well as this odd "people FoSing and HoSing him with out voting" thing I don't understand.

Okay, yeah, I could have popped in and said "I agree, that selfvoting gambit is pretty distracting and anti-town" or "hey, stop trying to make the wagon look bad instead of actually defending yourself." But everyone else was doing such a good job of it I figured my posts would be redundant and look sheep-ish.

I also don't like you just following along with the Pikachu case on Kirby after admitting the reason you'd originally voted for him was a mistake. I don't think anyone else mentioned that.

[Switz]

Furry's setup speculation seems valid to me. I initially thought "Traitor" was referring to the role, but luckily I waited to post today until that was cleared up so I don't look like an idiot.

That and his general demeanor/gameplay are enough to justify a

Town Vote: Furry

for now. In the back of my mind there's the chance he's on one of the scumteams and is trying to mess with us/get us to let him crosskill, but I think the chance of that is pretty low for now. His suspicions have been pretty consistent too, so we can see who might be dying ahead of time.

Now, in the matter of Zaziesurio; I'm agreeing with Pikachu that they might be a good lynch for today. In addition to the points they made ("supporting" the diddin wagon and only jumping on when there were more votes) there's his sparking of the Seth wagon on plausible but weak grounds,

@Gollum: It's Sméagol, not Smeagal. GET IT RIGHT :<

un-Lynch Vote: Fate

Interesting factoid: Seth just voted on a wagon with no explanation whatsoever right before going v/LA for three days. Scummy? I THINK SO.

Lynch Vote: Seth

which he later backtracks on to jump on the Mongoose wagon,

On second thought, I'l go with a

HoS: Moongoose

, considering he's been warned about his wagoning, he said he was sorry and that he just voted because he thought everyone else was right, and then

he did it again

QFT.

TBQH, my seth vote was more to see who would jump on the bandwagon than anything. Mongoose came out looking the worst for his response to my vote, for reasons SGRaaize beat me to (lol @ people voting someone for the same thing they just did <_<). Gandalf is neutral, MPR comes across as overeager town imo. Also relatively certain SGRaaize is town (though not quite certain enough to feel willing to dole out a townvote yet).

Unlynchvote; Lynch Vote: Mongoose

Tanstalas gives me bad vibes, too. I'm just not sure I buy his apparent confidence that there's a anti-town bus driver stemming from being new rather than from being

aware

that there's an anti-town bus driver. However, Furry's most recent post is probably on the mark and there are certainly bigger fish to fry right now.

FOS: Tanstalas

@Furry: Why is MPR a good lynch?

and also implicitly defends MPR throughout, as seen in the above (although I'll concede this is a weaker point that would rely on MPR flipping scum).

Thus:

Lynch Vote: Zaziesurio

Other thoughts:

Chrono would be another good candidate for today, both for Fate's reasons and for his general non-helpfulness and non-posting.

@Pikachu: Why does diddin's flip make Kirby town? Especially in the wake of what appears to be two distinct scumteams.

[Switz]

Now here's what bugs me. "Traitor Mafia" + Blue Flip, would suggest two scum teams.

But we had one Smash Vig Kill + One kill. Supposing two Scum Teams + Smash Vig + possible SK, we should have 3-4 kills per night. We had two. So we either have doc(s), Jailkeeper(s), BPT(s), or NKImm SK/GF(s). (Also, The smash vig kill ignores all Protects/NKImm abilities, I asked)

It's possible that our Dead JK prevented an NK last night, but we can't ask them. :/

Unless, as Furry suggested, there is a scumteam that daykills during Twilight. It's not the only possibility but it's certainly just as possible.

[Switz]

(NERO STOP BULLSHITTIN YOU KNOW WE GOT A GUILTY ON HIM LAST NIGHT)

So...softclaim? If you're going to post in thread that you have a guilty read on someone and you're serious and you really feel like revealing your role at this point in time, then do it. And with a little less flavor so we can understand what you're saying.

[Switz]

I'm sorry, it seems I was not clear. If I am lynched, it is as if I was a VT. Nothing happens. We only lose a day if I'm Nked. That's why I would much rather I were lynched. Also, looking at my role PM, it doesn't say anything about day vigs. So........ probably not worth the risk.

If this is actually true, it might actually be worth lynching Gandalf today because we'll get our D3 without having to worry about whether the Doc we don't know exists will or should save him. But that's not normally how the Beloved Princess role works, which is why I'm a little skeptical. Gandalf, your role specifically states that lynching you nullifies the Beloved Princess effect?

If it doesn't, I too don't support lynching him today. Otherwise, I'm all for getting rid of a potential trap.

[Switz]

Gandalf, I just want to hit you with a 2x4 right now.

You softclaim that you think it's best for town to lynch you, despite the fact that there's been minimal attention on you. You claim Beautiful Princess, making our best option to kill you now via lynch so we don't lose our Day. And now you're saying that you shouldn't have claimed, and even that your initial thought on getting the role is that you should never ever claim.

Well, it's too late now.

At this point, we really don't have a lot of choice other than to lynch Gandalf. I know it doesn't help us scumhunt at all, but if we let him live through the Night and he gets NKed, we lose another day of scumhunting. So, for the benefit of the town, we need to get rid of him now, last through the Night, and come back tomorrow to start all over again.

Our only other option (other than protection, which leaves the rest of us vulnerable) is to give him the Smash Ball tonight, but I don't honestly think he deserves it and we'd just have to kill him tomorrow anyways.

Unvote; Vote: Gandalf

[Switz]

Stels, I see your point, but here's the thing: if we're only getting our money's worth with one of D2 and D3, we should pick D3 because we'll have more information at that point. Otherwise we could lose as many as four or five people before we could react. Lynching Gandalf now will put us into Night, where Night Actions might give us hints that could help us find scum D3.

[Switz]

Fate, this isn't like scum claiming something like Doctor because they're at L-1. This is a player spontaneously claim a role that has the potential to majorly fuck us over and send us right into Day 4 without passing Go or collecting $200.

There is zero benefit to Gandalf doing this as scum. So this isn't a possibility.

There is maximum benefit to Gandalf doing this as jester. At which point he "wins" and we play for 2nd place. Not the best scenario, but I'm willing to take it over us potentially losing D3 and getting two Nights in a row where the 2 scum factions can pick us off one by one.

And there's moderate benefit to Gandalf and the town if he really is the Beautiful Princess. Claiming forces us to lynch him, which gets him out of the game in the only way that does not spark a funeral and allows us to go on with our scumhunting tomorrow.

I don't particularly like having to do this but it's getting done. If we do anything but lynch Gandalf today we are actively reducing our chances of success. Period.

Now, you've made your objections, so get off your soapbox and let's get on with this.