Super Smash Bros. Mafia! GAME OVER!!

[tanstalas]

/confirm

[tanstalas]

I have no idea what you guys are talking about
My link worked just fine...
...
...
Oops

Unvote

Vote: SGR

His link worked! he must be scum!!

...oh wait... I'm here as well... hmm

[tanstalas]

VOTE: SGR

Cuz OMGUS votes kick ass

[tanstalas]

From Kirby's ISO's

ISO-5 - Kirby is almost willing to bet there is scum on the MPR wagon

I don't think there have been any tells of consequence, if any at all. Looks like people are just feeling each other out, throwing votes around, seeing what sticks.

What reasoning on the MPR wagon? There is none, and

I'd even be willing to bet there's overeager scum on it. It would take some wagon analyzing (which I'll probably end up doing) to figure out who's most likely to be scum out of the MPR wagoners, but it looks like there's one on there.

ISO-12 - When Furry also says that he believes that there is scum on the wagon Kirby is quick to point out that the "math" says that there is a better chance that there is no scum on the wagon (I know he says that he thinks there "could" be at "least" one scum on the wagon) just seems that he was so confident about his ISO-5 post and when someone agrees with him he kind of backs off. What's the matter kirby? Some of your scum buddies on that wagon?

I would bet there is scum on the MPR wagon regardless of MPRs alignment. About a quarter of the game is on that wagon, chances are scum are on it.

Slight math fail. In pure odds, there's still a higher chance that there is no scum on the MPR wagon than that there is. I still think there certainly could be at least one, I'm just saying what pure odds state about it.

Lynch Vote: Unvote

Lynch Vote: Kirby

And what the hell..

Town Vote: Fate

And to the "Let's have the vig target someone the town wants, I see pros and cons to that idea. The Pro is that if the vig targets someone else that was not the consensus of the town we have an easy target for a lynch the next day. However the con is that if the mafia know who we are going to vig kill they can swap that person with another so the vig ends up killing someone else (which may end up with a townie dying from vig kill AND then we lynch the vig the next day who may also flip town)

[tanstalas]

However the con is that if the mafia know who we are going to vig kill they can swap that person with another so the vig ends up killing someone else (which may end up with a townie dying from vig kill AND then we lynch the vig the next day who may also flip town)

Please explain.

And I disagree with having a town directed vig kill. If we trust someone enough for them to be voted town by the majority of the players in the game, then I think we should trust them with the vig kill, as far as early game goes. I think that would be a plan to implement D5, when all the obvtown people begin to clear out/lose the ability to have smash balls.

Bus driver

We tell whoever has the ball to kill person X
Mafia Bus driver swaps person X with Townie A
Vig ends up killing townie A
Town gets pissed next day because vig didn't kill person X and instead kills a townie
Town lynches vig because they killed a townie and find out that vig was a townie as well

Not sure who mods handle night actions here, have not played a game on MS yet that has had a bus driver. I would assume the above would happen unless vig PM's mod with his NK before a bus driver switched people?

If vig put PM to mod before bus driver would, would vig get the NK then the driver just swap the dead body with whoever?

[tanstalas]

[FRIEND]

Why are you assuming there's a bus driver?

I'm open to there being anything.

Are you assuming there isn't?

With this many players there is a good chance we could have a bus driver. Even the mod mentioned that there might not be any vanilla roles, as it has happened before..

1. This is an closed setup, which means the only roles you will know in advance are your own and that of any other player I mention in your role PM. All other role information is secret, including how many players with a certain role exist and even if the role exists in the first place.
   Yes, a game with absolutely no vanilla townies is possible. It's been done before.

I hope I didn't break any rules with the above quote?

And in reply to my "weak" reasoning behind voting Yoshi, at least I provided a reason instead of just blindly jumping on the BW like the majority of people did.

[tanstalas]

And I agree with Pikachu, the Bus Driver is a really random role possibility to spontaneously pull out for discussion.

I'm still fairly new to mafia, I know there are a lot of different roles that have kind of the same type of consequences. Also what if the vig targeted the person and the person had a commute ability?

I'm just throwing out possible scenerio's as to why the town shouldn't pick who the vig kills (if he does at all)

[tanstalas]

[AGM]

Mega FoS: tanstalas

I actually thought of the EXACT same argument as you and agree 100% that we should not have town directed kills. There is absolutely NOO way that the mafia does not have a way to counter this ...

other wise the town would just have double lynches, which is broken as hell.

HOWEVER, playing the newbie card as the response is a TERRIBLE play. Positively screams scum trying to cover tracks.

FATE response later.

So, you agree with me, but yet you FoS me, actually "MEGA" FoS me Why wouldn't you just give me the HoS?

I was mentioning my inexperience for NOT knowing all the roles, and similar roles. If you read Switz comment he mentioned that the Bus Driver is a random role to just pluck out of the air for discussion. The reason I said I was new was because I was trying to give an example as to why a town directed vig kill was bad IMO. I picked a role I knew about as nacho asked me to explain my previous post. If I knew all the roles like the back of my hand which could negate the kill I would have listed them as well.

Also something about how you worded the above bolded doesn't sit right with me.. Probably the fact you said "the town" rather than "otherwise we would have double lynches" - I'm probably reading too much into your post, or it was a slip. Either way I like my vote where it stands now, however I am going to give you:

HoS: Pikachu

[tanstalas]

On second thought, I'l go with a

HoS: Moongoose

, considering he's been warned about his wagoning, he said he was sorry and that he just voted because he thought everyone else was right, and then

he did it again

QFT.

TBQH, my seth vote was more to see who would jump on the bandwagon than anything. Mongoose came out looking the worst for his response to my vote, for reasons SGRaaize beat me to (lol @ people voting someone for the same thing they just did <_<). Gandalf is neutral, MPR comes across as overeager town imo. Also relatively certain SGRaaize is town (though not quite certain enough to feel willing to dole out a townvote yet).

Unlynchvote; Lynch Vote: Mongoose

Tanstalas gives me bad vibes, too. I'm just not sure I buy his apparent confidence that there's a anti-town bus driver stemming from being new rather than from being

aware

that there's an anti-town bus driver. However, Furry's most recent post is probably on the mark and there are certainly bigger fish to fry right now.

FOS: Tanstalas

@Furry: Why is MPR a good lynch?

You guys make me laugh. You and Furry both.

Stop beating the "OMG if there is a mafia bus driver he must be scum" horse. I already said that was the one of the few roles I knew of that could interfere with the smash ball kill

Seriously, I'm glad now I don't know about other roles as if I had mentioned them and there turned out to be one of those roles that the mafia had I'd be seriously screwed

I never even knew of a role called a "redirector" before you mentioned it Furry, so I guess by your logic - if there turns out to be a redirector and he is mafia then that must mean you are scum? See how stupid that logic is?

However, all this might be good, maybe if I get enough suspicion on me I will be investigated and then you will see that I am pro-town.

Note to all - don't mention what roles mafia may have, because if you do, and it turns out there is one then Furry, Zaziesurio and others with that mentality will probably BW you

[tanstalas]

You seemed to discount the fact that a driver would be town.

Replace the "would" with "could" and I will somewhat agree with you, it's not that I "discounted" the idea that a driver "could" be town it's that there would be no need for me to bring it up if a bus driver was a "town only" role. There would be no need for me to bring up the bus driver switching the vig kill if it was a town driver - so why would I mention it?

Although, now that you mention it. Say for instance there is a town driver, and he had a really good idea that person X was scum, however the town all thought (or maybe just a slight majority) that person Y was scum, what would prevent the town driver from switching Person X with person Y?

If he is right then he would smile contently to himself that he was correct, if he was wrong, well, he wouldn't say anything (well he wouldn't say anything if he was right either as you wouldn't want scum to know who/what you are) but we would only find out about it at the end of the game. Not saying that a particular town member would go against what the majority of the town wanted, however after seeing some of you post for the first time in this thread, I also wouldn't put it past some of you.

*DISCLAIMER* And also just clarifying the above "he" in my post - could mean a guy or a girl, just I assume the majority of people on the internet are male. So if a MALE "mafia" bus driver does show up - it does not mean that I had advance knowledge about it

*DISCLAIMER for my PREVIOUS DISCLAIMER* I am not sexist in any way, shape or form. If you are female when I refer to you I will refer to you as female, unless I forget, or inebriated at the time of posting

[tanstalas]

@SGR - Nice read, I will reply to the two parts that concern me:

How is that HoS an OMGUS? I thought OMGUS was reserved for
A)A vote, not a HoS
B)A vote with absolutely no reason for the vote, I gave reasoning for the HoS

Also, for the investigation thing, we have no idea what roles are in this game, with 28 people there is a chance that there may be town-masons in the game and a cop may be in with that group, if so, he can advise that group that I am XXXXX and pro-town, which would mean that scum wouldn't target me as I haven't been "verified" town in public.

As far as the "scum" taking me out, you are assuming that I do not have any night power to prevent myself from being NK'd or that I may also be protected.

I know I have thrown a lot of "if" scenerios out there, however I am trying to encourage as much conversation as I can so we can get down to scumhunting by looking for slips and scum-tells.

[tanstalas]

@ Mod

- Can you clarify the rule about the smash ball, can it in ANY way be manipulated by anyone else in the game that is NOT the person who has the power of it?

There - depending on the mod response we can either dismiss my bus driver scenario or if mod says it can but doesn't tell us what roles may affect it I will be very wary and probably retract my town vote.

[tanstalas]

[AGM]

It cannot be manipulated in any shape or form that isn't the person with the Smash Ball. It goes through litterally everything.

Hmm...this makes it sound like town CAN guide the shot. That basically gives us two lynches per day, though, which seems a bit ridiculous...

Whatever. Even if this is true, I think FOR THE EARLY GAME we should just let the person shoot whomever they want. This way, scum and dumbtown can't interfere with the shot. We can play around with consensus shooting later when things become more tight.

you're giving him a FoS because he said he was kinda newbie in response to not knowing that the Bus Driver is a random role?
Derp

HERP DERP, THAT'S RIGHT. Tt reads way more scumslip than noob, at least to me.

Also the fact that nacho says he is town just makes me think he is scum more, because with the exception of him trying REALLY HARD to get me to give Fate that town vote his posts are unsettling.

ALSO SETH STOP SELF-VOTING. YOU AREN'T COOL. Change that vote to some scum. Unless you are scum, in which case go ahead and leave it there. Or unless it's a mod error, in which case mod fix pl0x.

@bolded - Or we could be giving the mafia an extra kill per day as well, sorry to be the debbie downer here, but are you 100% sure that the person everyday who gets the smash ball is pro-town? Also by using the smash ball we have a greater chancer in the EARLY game to accidently take out a fellow townie as there (probably - unless we have a bastard mod ) are a lot more townies than mafia.

If

anything

we as a town should decide who to target with the ability

early game

since we KNOW if will ALWAYS work.
If the person with the ball doesn't kill who we as a TOWN say to kill then it's an easy vote the next day for a lynch

That's my thoughts on the matter anyhow, anyone else see anything I may have overlooked?

[tanstalas]

Oh - as an addendum to my last post.

We as a town, if we go for my idea of a town directed kill should start a "secondary target" vote, because after the lynch vote is cast we probably won't be able to get everyones input on who they want to see as a secondary target. I'm sure with 28 players someone has some mod experience and can do a secondary vote tally table

[tanstalas]

[AGM]

@tanstalas - NOOOO because there are SCUM in the game and they GET TO VOTE TOO. And they will NOT VOTE TO KILL SCUM. Also, there are probably lots of dumb townies who can mess up the vote as well. Whereas if we just give it to someone who is probtown and good at shooting gunz (which they better be 'cause we VOTED FOR THEM as obvtown, remember) then they can shoot scum without scum messing them up.

ALSO THE ABOVE POST WAS [AGM] TOO, SUCK IT NACHO.

They also get to vote who to lynch as well...
In my opinion the pros outweigh the cons

Just as you look back on previous posts to see who voted for who and analyze that information when someone is lynched to see who said what about someone, who voted for someone, etc we can look back and see who voted for what secondary target and if they flip scum or townie.

I'm worried that the person who gets the smash ball will be scum, and with no oversight he can CHOOSE who he wants to target, and he has a near 100% chance that it will kill a townie because he KNOWS who the mafia members are. The only chance we really have is if he hits an SK, in a game os 28, what do you think 1, maybe 2 SK's? odds of that are really low.

@everyone - Just wondering how many anti-town do you think we have in this game? I'm thinking at least 10, probably 8 mafia and 2 SK types? Just wondering how far off base I would be with that guess.

If we let the person choose by themselves and they are mafia they have a 90% chance to hit a townie and only a 10% chance to hit a SK (if my above guess is right - and I am assuming it probably is not too far off)

If you want to consider it like a second town lynch then I think we should treat it like a second town lynch.

I'll sit back and wait to hear everyone else's input on how they want to treat the smash ball, since we now know it is a guaranteed kill.

[tanstalas]

You just hold people responsable for their kill and we will be fine.

A HIDER NEEDS TO ALWAYS TARGET SB HOLDER. It makes them a weak cop varient. As long as they live, SB holder is town. If a hider dies, it confirms the SB holder as scum for an easy next day lynch, as well as confirms all previous SB holders as town.

How do you hold them responsible? Ask them why they killed X person? And they can make up something, or say oops.. If you don't want to go with a majority vote, can we at least have the person advise who they are targeting before lynch vote is finished? That way it might give someone a chance to bring up something to the holder that they may have overlooked/maybe get a roleclaim from the targeted person? I just feel uncomfortable, as we will only ever get it once in the game (if at all) if I am reading the rules right. OK, you trust fate, what about day 2, 3, 4, , ect?

You are assuming we have one.

[tanstalas]

if anyone is a rider, you should claim now.

tanstalas is not scum. the bus driver things is a null tell, town tell if there is indeed a bus driver. his vibe is good, though i don't agree with the "second lynch" thing.

i still don't know why MPR is scum, but he is a good policy lynch target.

however, diddin is still the lynch.

My reasoning for the "second lynch" thing is that I do not know any of you from a hole in the wall (and equally vice-versa) as this is the first game I have played with any of you. You guys seem to have played with each other before and probably have a better read on others depending on how they post hence have a better idea who is pro-town and who to give the ball to.

I will be a good little sheep and go with the majority of the town :Baaa:

[tanstalas]

EBWOP - My sheep comment was for who to give the SB to, I will scumhunt on my own as much as anyone else, I will just refer to the town consensus of who to give the ball to since you guys will probably have better reads on the players for reasons stated in my last post

[tanstalas]

Just finished ISO on xVezokenerx

ISO0 - Hi all
ISO1 - Tells bunnylover that MPR is always scum (joking... I think)
ISO2 - My link isn't broken
ISO3 - Wants the SB - will put it to "good use"
ISO4 - Asks why there is a kirby lynchwagon - reiterates that he needs the SB and town votes himself
ISO5 - Reiterates for the third time that town needs to give him the ball
ISO6 - Complains that noone told him game started, wants a TL;DR version
ISO7 - Hops on diddin BW, no reason given
ISO8 - Wants a mass name claim, also parroting Socio and pika

Lynch Vote: Unvote
Lynch Vote: xVEZOKENERx

Maybe this is the way he(they) usually play, I don't know, just seems very scummy to me, 33% of his posts he is telling people to town vote for him (and he town-voted for himself) hopped on a BW with no reason given, and parrot's socio and pika and wants a mass name claim on day 1 when noone is even close to the hammer.

[tanstalas]

Vezokener is prob town.

Mod already said scum have fakeclaims in the sign up thread. Read better people.

Saw the claim of Luigi and remembered this post, so I checked the signup thread. The signup thread does not say that the scum HAVE fakeclaims, it says "the player list IS long, but we tried to incoroporate most of the cahrachters, but enough to leave room for fakeclaims."

That to me does not sound like scum were given fakeclaim roles, but only that they can try and say they are someone and pray to god that noone else has a counterclaim...

Can anyone CC diddin? If so I will switch my vote right now.

I am leaning towards believing him, as a claim of luigi would be pretty bold indeed, I think if I was going to fakeclaim I would have picked someone that was not so well known.

Or does any townie have a SSB character that would be considered a "bad guy" and want to come forward? (probably not just asking) As that would confirm that "bad guy" roles are not necessarily bad in the game and "good guy" roles like Luigi are not necessarily good in the game

[tanstalas]

Town Vote: Furry

He has answered and questioned most of my posts in a helpful way, if he were scum I doubt he would have been as helpful.

Lynch Vote: xVEZOKENERx

As a hydra, having only 10 posts for the entire game just seems... very low to me. Also all his posts really contain no information. Like I said back on post #436 I do not know if this is how those two playing the hydra usually play, if so please let me know, however his lack of posts and lack of "meat" to them seems very suspicious to me. His vote on diddin may have been a case of bussing, he also did not give his own reason for voting diddin.

[tanstalas]

Based on Diddn's iso: I doubt that Vez/reck, Zazie/esurio, Kocc, manho and Kirby are Traitor-scum. Furry and Pikachu could be, possibly Switz.

The first list is based on diddn's iso #11

I will agree with you on Kocc and Manho, they at least gave reasoning behind their vote. (and where was kirby mentioned in that post?) However the Zazie and Veck posts are terrible, it was just a pure "jump on the BW" vote with ZERO reason given, and that clears them in your eyes?

[tanstalas]

Lynch Vote: xVEZOKENERx
Town Vote: Furry

Sticking with my same votes as yesterday, nothing has changed that would change my mind of those two.

[tanstalas]

@ mod

- I townvoted for Furry, you have Furry listed as putting down two town votes, think one of those is mine

[tanstalas]

Ugh, way to out the town doctor, at the very least you could have said you "knew" who it was and asked the town if they wanted you to out them, and then we could have done some scum-hunting on who said yes..

Really not sure who to lynch vote at the moment, I will re-read the thread when I am at work tonight.

For the meantime though

Town Vote: Furry

[tanstalas]

Finally done the re-read sheesh that took awhile

Lynch Vote: MPR

Gollum sticking up for MPR
http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 2#p2414952

Gollum sticking up for MPR again
http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 6#p2418516

As Furry stated - bolded important parts

Also MPR still needs lynching.

So far

he has voted two people for wagoning him for no reason

(not a bad thing, kids these days think it is for some reason) and suggested possibly the worst SB strategy out there. Link this is irrelevent to this case, only important for fate being town. I am sad no one has figured it out yet as to why it makes fate town.

And again

MPR is still super scum.

Check out

how he seems to put down SSK for hammering

(when it was really L-1)

before hammering himslf

. Regardless of diddin flip, which I really am not too sure on, leaning scum despite my views on VT claims, MPR still is scummy due to this.

Like Pik pointed out, MPR made a comment to lynch someone but didn't put a vote down himself..

Bunny- Who SHOULD we have given it to!? Of course we won't hit scum every time. And there are DEFINITELY not only 3 scum, and probably not 5. You're saying "Fate's a good scumhunter but we shouldn't have given him a vig because he might not have killed scum." IIRC, you voted him as town too.

Can we lynch this dude?

MPR quick to jump on Gollum's "Lets vote off gandalf" train (was the post directly after Gollum posted)

http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 7#p2439077

Gollum seemed to try and discourage people to get off the MPR wagon not once, but twice and also calls out seth for voting for MPR as well.

On the flipside, I'm starting to think that mongoose may be town (or at least on a different mafia faction than the one Gollum was on) as he was pushing a mongoose lynch hard (I know, I know, bussing happens)

[tanstalas]

Town vote: Unvote
Town vote: Pikachu

[tanstalas]

JUST POST THE DAMN THEORY YOU AREN'T MAKING ANY SENSE AT ALL I JUST DON"T KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TRYING TO SAY?

I need them to claim who they protect first.
If I get to L-2 or L-1 (assuming I get there) I will post it even if they didn't claim.
There is a reason why I can't say it, which I will explain after they claim.
Sorry.

Lynch Vote: Unvote
Lynch Vote: Bunnylover

I too am interested in this "theory" of yours

[tanstalas]

@Tan: If your interested, then I would advise to unvote since the deadline for the next day is not close.
I don't want to be lynch before I the doctor(s) can even say yes or no to the claiming who they protected.
And if you all who voted for me are town so far, then that means mafia may just come and lynch me, seeing as no one still hasn't posted a reason except for Fate but his reasoning is off to me.

I'm just interested to see if we are thinking along the same lines. I am thinking that perhaps whoever Pik protected N1 is probably town, as we only had 1 mafia kill that night and 1 smashball kill. We know there are at least 2 Mafia groups. The "Traitor" mafia and the "Villain" mafia group. Since Gollum of the "Villian" mafia group died N2 then I assume that the traitor group killed him, or it was a vig kill.

Anyhow, I will go back to my previous vote, since I actually have some tells that he may be scum

Lynch vote: Unvote
Lynch Vote: MPR

[tanstalas]

2 things:

1. LYNCH MONGOOSE ALREADY!!!
2. When will Fate notice the obvious buddying of tanstalas??? (Scummy btw)

FoS: tanstalas

Which buddying are you talking about? With fate?

I switched my vote to bunny as he stated if he gets to L-2 or L-1 he would explain his theory, I wanted to know if we were thinking the same thing.

Aside from that, I can't see how else I have been buddying with him..

[tanstalas]

Could you guys post some reasons for wagoning me and such?

"omg fate said hes scum so time to vote!" is invalid.

Did you skip over my post?

http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 9#p2464109

Along with reasons others have mentioned, Gollum seemed to be buddying up to you a bit, and now that he is confirmed scum, I'm going after his scum-buddy now

[tanstalas]

What happened to this game....?

Stop disturbing me, trying to watch this paint dry...

[tanstalas]

UM, the obv lynch here is mongoose. every new post he makes just reassures me of his mafia ness.

I'm not liking the Mongoose BW as I can count a few people on there that I am "iffy" about (MPR, Kirby and Dana)

[tanstalas]

:O
Why are you "iffy" about me? Or Kirbyoshi for that matter?

If I say why I am iffy about you, you are likely to go into another tirade about your massclaim idea, and to stop bringing it up. Yeah, basically the fact that in most of your posts you are telling us you are town, over and over, repeatedly.

Kirby on the other hand, depends on what MPR flips, as I mentioned in one of my earlier posts

[tanstalas]

That's really not a great reasoning process. There are two people that are "iffy" to you (and I don't think they should be but...) and one who is connected to one of them on the wagon, so you won't vote for mongoose. Come on. Even if you believe we're scum, scum sometimes bus. And you don't seem to be willing to say we're scum, so it's all rather pitiful. I find your reasons somewhat suspicious, in fact.

Wait.. what? You are giving me grief for my reasoning process for my vote? Holy crap, talk about the teapot calling the kettle black. (And I mentioned three people, not two)

Lets recap:

Lynch vote: mongoose

Does town voting do something today? It's all a little confusing to me.

Where is the reasoning for this vote?

@ Kirbyoshi
His logic is confusing in the extreme, and it kind of seems intentional. It looks a lot like scum trying to confuse us about what he really believes. Also, some of his statements, like his "my f key is stuck" give me a bad gut feeling about him, like he's breadcrumbing a lot or something. Add to that his active (unlike vezokener) lurking, and you have a good lynch candidate.

Oh - finally you gave some reasoning for your vote ... a day later and all you could come up with was the above? You say a bunch of stuff, but don't explain it, his logic is confusing? Can you cite some examples? Him saying a keyboard key is stuck gives you a bad feeling about him?

Now, I am in no way saying that Mongoose is obv-town, I just think that MPR is a better lynch, and like I said (and gave reasoning too - and IMO a lot better reasoning than yours on Mongoose's) the people on that BW seem "iffy" to me.

[tanstalas]

And yes, I'm hopping on a wagon

for now

because at this point, it's fruitless effort to try to look at anyone else with the amount of time I/the rest of us have. I'll see what my gut tells me after this next lynch. Sorry it has to be you, oh emotional one, though that reaction doesn't exactly make you look any less scummy.

I will say though, that just hopping on a wagon without reading the post just seems like a scummy thing to do, replacing into a game and being scum people usually look at the last vote count and then tunnel onto the person with the most amount of votes (unless that person is your scum-buddy).

You also contradicted yourself in the above post from your first post.

Oof, hey y'all. This is my first large theme game, so

bare with me here while I catch up and

understand

everything that's going on

.

I'll start reading the thread now, and will try to hurry it up.

I might post intermittent thoughts with EBWOPS, but most likely

will wait til I'm done and give a brief synopsis from there

(though if it's anything like replacing in newbie games, you might like updates as to how far along I am?). Thanks for your patience!

You ask for us to be patient with you while you catch up, that post was on FRIDAY, on Wednesday you stated that you were still trying to sift through the thread that is 39 pages long. You do realize that when you jumped in the thread was only 32 pages..

Also the fact that you have had FIVE days to read the thread and are still saying you have not caught up seems strange to me. You must be the slowest reader ever. More likely I am thinking you are scum. You know who is scum and you know who is town. I think MPR is your scum-buddy and you don't want to vote your buddy off the island so you went with the mongoose BW because you know he is town (or at the very least not on YOUR mafia team)

it's fruitless effort to try to look at anyone else with the amount of time I/the rest of us have.

The above quote also pisses me off. I disagree with you VERY much on this, in fact when someone replaces into a game I look forward to their analysis as they have just read the entire thread and everything is still fresh in their minds, and also may have picked up on a tell that we all missed/never noticed depending on who has been lynched/NK'd up until this point. And really not sure why you said useless with amount of time we/you have? We have until SEPTEMBER 9th to make a lynch, that is PLENTY of time.

Bottom line: You have been here for over 5 days since your first post and have said nothing except fluff. I don't believe "lurkers" should necessarily be lynched - however I do think active lurkers are another matter

Mega FOS: singersinger

I'd vote for you instead of the FOS - however we do not need a 3rd BW forming ATM - as I am sure MPR will flip scum anyhow.

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Thank you for asking intelligent questions (kind of questions, anyway) instead of just saying, "Not enough" or something along those lines. He is active lurking because he has had 26 posts, one of which was in the last day. He's not the most active lurker ever, but he's trying to make sure he doesn't get replaced and uses his vote to his advantage, but doesn't want to post enough to have a lot of controversial material (which has not been successful, of course).

WTF?!

Why do you assume that he is active lurking, are you watching him outside his bedroom window and you see him reading the posts but that he is not posting any replies? Do you see his name at the bottom of the page that says he is currently reading the topic and not making any replies?

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@Fate - Dana can be smashed tonight, already have a decent amount of votes on MPR, I'll stay where I am rather than try to get another BW going

[tanstalas]

EBWOP - And if MPR does flip scum, which I think he will, it will make the case against Dana even that much more obvious (as well as Kirby)

[tanstalas]

[FRIEND]

An opportunity to wagon Dana? Sign me up.

vote: Danakillsu

We will wagon him next day, switch to MPR for now

[tanstalas]

@tanstalas...why don't you think mongoose is scum?

You are really trying to get higher on my radar aren't you?

As I have said before in another post I never said I did not think he wasn't scum, I just think that MPR seems more scummier.

FOS to the max: Singer

Seriously, you need to read the thread, you asking questions now that I already answered is making me think I should start a BW on you now

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Scumintentdar is beeping

I do not like Dana.

Hmm, it appears that the one thing that a few people can agree on from both the mongoose and MPR wagon's is that we all agree that dana is most likely scum.

Meh, what the hell.

Unvote
Vote: dana

In before the "Look at Tans buddying with Fate" posts.

I already gave some reasons for voting for dana in my ISO-33 and 34, so this is not just a blind bandwagoning vote.

The two main wagon's can't persuade each other to join the others BW, I think we might all be able to agree on dana though.

[tanstalas]

Danalynchtiemhuzzah

Vote: Dana

Might want to unvote first

[tanstalas]

Lynch

VOTE: Bunnylover

Was going to do this as well. I need to reread everything, but I will be away for the rest of the real life day.

^^ this

Lynch Vote: Bunnylover

Town vote: Undecided

Hoping Framm got a guilty but didn't want to share that he was a cop in case he got NK'd that night. Plus Bunnylover has seemed scummy this whole game, and has seemed (to me at least) to be trying to fly under the radar lately. (Out of almost 1200 posts he has 35, and most are FLUFF posts). The "Need to know who the doctors protected" thing is also nagging at the back of my brain

Also Role fishing:

Pit as the watcher.
Makes a lot sense.
I think we need to get Mongoose to claim before we make an assumption based on Dana claim.

I could continue, but his ISO is short, you can look at it yourself and see he needs to die

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Yeah, none of those sound like a smashball kill (unless Pika killed Quadz, and destroyed him so much there was no evidence)... so interested in who Pika killed... And also wtf is with the Quadz kill? We don't get alignment? (Ok for alignment he may be neutral.. but still why not say Neutral?)

We've had 2 smashball kills thus far and we got alignment...

(Totally off-topic - but just bought a new 46" Samsung TV to act as TV and PC monitor.. holy fuck I need to MOVE my head to read threads now.. Not that I'm complaining..much for $800 brand new)

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5) palmertrou is nearly confirmed town due to mod error thing. Yes it is WIFOM, but it is still a strong tell.

Ugh - We're going to play "Outguess the mod" now? I'd call that a null tell if even a tell

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I don't know why, but something tells me that pika targeted Zazier.
Just the fact that Quad was unrecognizable makes me question if the smash ball was not used on him.

Though I still need pika to claim who he protected.

You mean targeted?

[tanstalas]

I don't know why, but something tells me that pika targeted Zazier.
Just the fact that Quad was unrecognizable makes me question if the smash ball was not used on him.

Though I still need pika to claim who he protected.

You mean targeted?

I'm still wondering why you are so crazy to know who the doctors protected

[tanstalas]

lynch vote: bunnylover

He still needs to give us that theory. Just tell him who you protected, for gods sake, so we can see what is up with this guy.

Pika already answered this and Zaz is dead, pay fucking attention

[tanstalas]

Saw the prod. I have been following the thread, I haven't seen anything worth commenting on in the past few days

[tanstalas]

am confused as to why mongoose is still alive.

QFT

mongoose is scum.

I have proof.

Can we lynch him please. Thanks.

Elaborate

[tanstalas]

Role-related

and scummy behavior related.

Your role or his?

[tanstalas]

PREVIEW EDIT: Mine. I actioned him with an info-gathering role, and got info that he's scum.

I'll accept this. As if he gets lynched and flips town I know who will be getting my vote tomorrow.

Unvote
Lynch Vote: mongoose

[tanstalas]

Town Vote: Sharkfinn

[tanstalas]

I think that is L-1 if my math is correct. Not that it matters much. Just so the next person knows he is the hammer.

[tanstalas]

Don't use it on bunny - I'd say he should be a lynch tomorrow

SB a lurker maybe?

[tanstalas]

Lynch Vote: Bunnylover

- Unless someone has hard evidence of a scum in our midst

Town Vote: Undecided

- See point above

[tanstalas]

More of a gut read on you Bunny, and you say some things that makes me think you aren't really paying attention to the game, which makes you seem scummy.

Also do not like the way you are active lurking in this game, and a lot of your posts contain fluff or are just repeating what you said in previous posts. In a game with this many posts in it I find it shocking that you only have 43 posts.

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Ness: Role Name Inspector. (notice the flavor softclaim as mongoose fakeclaimed.

N1: Previous player didnt submit action
N2: Targetted mongoose, got Bowser (I voted him that day and pushed for his lynch but didnt want to reveal role atm)
N3: Targetted quadz, got Wario (dont know i
N4: I smashed manho!

Pretty much got 2 scum, and possibly 3???
MC would be good for me (name claim works now at this point) It would definitely give me more info to double check what everyone claims, but seeing as jigglypuff and olimar as scum doesnt 100% clear people.

Also pointing out whoever Solid Snake is should be clean. Shouldnt claim role though, based on my reading of the game.

Who did you target last night? With ability - not Smash Ball

[tanstalas]

Prepare to facepalm

http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 5#p2419225

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I think a mass nameclaim would be good at this stage. Considering that there were 3 "traitor" mafia that had "typical good guy" roles I would think there are at least as many Villian mafia, so if we have a mass nameclaim we should get at least one person that would be a "bad guy" and would make a good lynch today (provided noone else comes forward with info like Shark came forward with yesterday)

[tanstalas]

Name: Zelda/Sheik
Role: Not sure what it would be called

I can transform into Sheik and disappear at night. Can't do it on consecutive nights. I had another night action - it involved me finding link and if I had I would have taught him something

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Name: Zelda/Sheik
Role: Not sure what it would be called

I can transform into Sheik and disappear at night. Can't do it on consecutive nights. I had another night action - it involved me finding link and if I had I would have taught him something

Commuter.

What happens if someone targets you with a non-kill when you are Shiek?
Have you used your ability yet?

I have used my Sheik ability twice so far. I had no idea who to target on N1 so I used my Sheik ability, and since Link actually died that night I have just been using my ability to vanish every second night whenever it was available (ie: N3 and will use it again tonight probably)

I have no idea what happens with a non-kill when I am Sheik. If you like I won't use it tonight and Shark can investigate me tonight and see that I am Zelda

[tanstalas]

Sharkkkkkkk stop giving away your info!

You dont tell someone that the name cop investigated them before they claim.

The people I've inspected are dead...One was scum. the other was quadz who was janitor'd

I think he means your comment on Stels, that you know; can confirm his role

[tanstalas]

When you transform into Sheik, does it say you become immune to all night actions?
And I'm still not understanding that link thing

I am assuming it would mean that I am immune to all night actions, based on the role PM I turn into a ninja and become "invisible". I am assuming the Smash Ball would be able to find me though

I don't understand the Link thing either, I could target people and if I targeted Link then I would teach him something that would benefit both him and I.

[tanstalas]

I'd like to see CSL, MPR, and Kirby claim next, followed by myself and NM8. (in no particular order. Or I can claim whenever)

I'm actually wondering about mothrax, MPR and Kirby - in that order

[tanstalas]

I'm fine with giving Furry the SB tonight and me taking it tomorrow, I can commute tonight and the night after next.

Town Vote: Furry

[tanstalas]

I could see CSL being traitor mafia... being second in command to Fox - maybe a little resentment there?

[tanstalas]

It might just be my internal omgus senses tingling, but for some reason I don't buy Chrono's claim...

I agree.

I also have reasoning for it. You should be going over his ISO - I'd like to see if we are on the same page.

[tanstalas]

^ I was actually referring to early D1 when he advised against a nameclaim..

If what he said was true about wanting to find you to kill you I would have argued FOR a nameclaim, or at the very least stayed neutral on the issue.

[tanstalas]

EBWOP - Sorry - it was actually D2... assumed it was D1 because it was only his ISO-14

[tanstalas]

Totally see Snake blowing MetaKnight

QFT - and putting into my sig

[tanstalas]

Your vig kills were kind of obvious. I however thought it was Mothrax who was killing them, hence why I wanted his claim the most (noticed he was on shortly before the last one but didn't post in the thread)

[tanstalas]

Lynch Vote: Unvote

Lynch Vote: CSL

[tanstalas]

Town Vote: Furry

Lynch Vote: CSL

0.o

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Once kirby claims we can continue here. Right now I am thinking lynch CSL (blue scum) smash bunny (red scum). However there is the point that bunny cant be blue at this point. The player I tracked last night N4 is not blue scum, and not red if quadz is red.

Will still not vote CSL until a kirby claim happens

, as if CSL is non-blue, I am killing him and want to be sure.

Did you not see nachomann's post?

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I actually just did a quick ISO on MPR, yeah he needs to die the vast majority of his posts are fluff.

Actually Furry you were pushing him pretty hard all game, now you have the chance to take him out, why the change of heart?

Either or though, Bunny or MPR, both claimed VT - even if it is a mis-smash no great loss - Though - I think those two are probably the best targets now

I still don't like how it seemed to me at least MPR and Gollum buddying on D1

[tanstalas]

@Chrono - Did you have to submit your day kill at a certain time?

Could you do it anytime during the day or twilight?

[tanstalas]

That's why I'm having a hard time believing your claim.. I would have waited till the latest in the day as I could hoping a nameclaim would come up or something, you seemed to use your kill almost immediately

[tanstalas]

If I get the ball tomorrow Bunny is dead

[tanstalas]

Bunny...


Why did you just claim?

O hai!

Did you not see that everyone claimed?

[tanstalas]

And you were claimed by Nacho

[tanstalas]

OOOOOOPS lol. Direct PicardPic back at me I guess

Actually, this one fits better..

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@Chronopie - Wondering why you are already voting for Mothrax?

You said in an earlier post he has to die by your hand either by lynching or a daykill. I would assume that means that you need to be the hammer. If you are already on the Mothrax wagon that means you will NOT be the hammer and it would not fulfill your condition?

Also if you do get credit for it even if you are NOT the hammer - I am wondering why you vigged Vezok instead of just hopping on his wagon? Since you could have vigged someone else as well as killed Vezok "by your hand" so it were, so you could have had 2 chances to get Metaknight on D3.

The above point along with you being against the nameclaim idea on D2 (when you say you needed to find metaknight) and the fact that you used your dayvig powers at the start of the day without waiting to see if metaknight showed up makes me wary of you.

However, I am willing to lynch Mothrax today - however, if he flips town and if I get the smashball tonight Bunny will be happy as he will get to live another day as I will be using it on you - makes no sense to have a person who can "become" town have to kill a townie to become town. If he flips scum though and the game isn't over Bunny will be getting smashed.

Lynch Vote: Mothrax
Town Vote: Tanstalas

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This:

makes no sense to have a person who can "become" town have to kill a townie to become town.

It's not to prove I'm town, it's to prove that Shark is scum.

Confused...

I was talking about Chrono saying that if he kills Mothrax(Metaknight) he becomes town (or rather "wins" with the town)

I don't like your idea Stels, I'll be perfectly honest. I think you are town, I also think Sharkfinn is town.

[tanstalas]

He is most confirmed town we got. Remaining scum are 1 mafia janitor and 1 mafia ???

Hey... what happened to me? You targeted me N4

[tanstalas]

At this point, I think a mafia ninja is impossible unless we have 5 scum on each team, or the red team has all powerroles and the blue team doesn't.

I wouldn't be surprised if Shark was scum, considering he rolecopped the person Furry said he was probably going to smash.

Both teams seem to match up

Blue has had
Godfather
Roleblocker
Goon

Red has had
Godfather
Roleblocker
Watcher

So yeah unless there is 5 scum on each team we are probably looking for a Blue Watcher and a Red Goon

P-Edit:

No lynch
Smash Tan
Track Shark
Rolecop Furry
DK Moth
Lynch Chrono
Smash {Furry, Shark}

Why smash me? I was watched on N4 - I didn't do anything - care to explain your reasoning?
If I was a goon I would have been out killing
If I was a watcher I would have been watching someone

[tanstalas]

@Furry - if he flipped town would you agree with Stels reasoning and have a directed smash on Shark?

[tanstalas]

Lynch Vote: Stels

I don't want shark smashed tonight simply so he can rolecop you. Which means we should smash Chrono or moth...

Rolecop me?

I have nothing to hide I was completely honest in my full-claim, go for it.

Lynch Vote: Unvote
Town Vote: Unvote
Lynch Vote: Stels
Town Vote: Bunnylover

[tanstalas]

He doesn't "need" to lynch Mothrax... he just won't win with us if the town wins

[tanstalas]

No smashing Shark

I need him to be double confirmed like Bunny over there

Also, where is Mothrax? He has been on but hasn't posted in this game.. lurk much?

[tanstalas]

Tan, we're smashing you or Shark.

Which do you prefer?

Neither

Mothrax would be the smart smash. If he flips town we lynch Chrono. If he flips scum, well.. even better

I'm half confirmed town based on the fact I sat at home twiddling my thumbs on N4. And you must also believe Shark is town, otherwise you would not put so much faith in his "clearing" of Bunnylover by adding him to yuor "Confirmed Town" list.

So Nacho in other words; terrible gambit attempt

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I don't believe Shark is town.

Then how did Bunny make it to your confirmed townie list?

[tanstalas]

Furry.

And what did Furry say that made Bunny obv-town in your eyes?

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Bunny is town or a mafia ninja (which I doubt) since he targeted no one last night. If he is scum that is just horrible luck.

Quadz was obviously town at this point unless this is 5 scum per team (doubt it again). Or other bastard modding (again, doubt it).

town vote bunnylover

He is most confirmed town we got. Remaining scum are 1 mafia janitor and 1 mafia ???

Tans is not red scum (assuming quadz is) because he did nothing. Tans IS not blue scum, as he did nothing while another blue RB existed (goon kills RB blocks).

So, you believe him when he posts about Bunny, but not about me, you think Shark is scum, yet you do not want to vote him? As well, how come you haven't town voted Bunny yet?

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Goon kills RB blocks isn't always the rule. Godfather passes down authority of who makes the kills, Roleblocker has the ability to block and kill etc.

If I was Blue - the godfather is already dead
If I was Red - only the godfather and I were alive at that point

So, explain to me again why I did nothing N4?

(this is assuming there isn't 5 man scum teams)

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Stels is town. Why are we lynching him???

Good point, I jumped on because I figured this was a gambit to catch overeager scum. Considering everyone except Mothrax has posted now I figure it is a good time to remove my fake vote and go back to my original vote of whom I do believe is scum.

Lynch vote: Unvote
Lynch Vote: Mothrax

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Just did a quick ISO on Stels - actually, starting to see what you see Furry. Also in his 2nd post he criticized his predecessor's playstyle

In a recent game DDDP mentioned a tactic that Amished used to catch scum in that when someone replaces into a game and immediately starts to criticize who they replaced into the game for it was a scumtell - you would have to ask Amished the specifics, however it did work for that game, and Amished said that it has actually worked 10/11 times and 10/10 times when applied correctly.

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 11&t=14792 is the game. I will do another read through later focusing on Stels interactions with the confirmed scum thus far.. probably tomorrow night.

More specifically the post where DDDP brought it up http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 7#p2452327

The only thing I do not like about the Stels lynch is if he is indeed town - where do we go from there? With a Mothrax lynch if he is town then Chronopie makes a no-brainer lynch the next day.

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With a Mothrax lynch if he is town then Chronopie makes a no-brainer lynch the next day.

Chrono is third party lyncher. We are just keeping him around to vig moth tomorrow.

At the very best he is a 3rd party lyncher. At the worst he has a separate win-con and after he kills mothrax we all end up playing for second place.

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Jesus Chronopie, is that the 3rd different Avy for you today?

[tanstalas]

^ who the hell is that?

[tanstalas]

Keep the Furry Avy

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Holy-crap; go to sleep get up come to work and Stels is lynched? WTF? Talk about a speed-lynch - if all-scum/anti-town isn't on that BW I will east the Triforce of Power.

I can understand if we were close to a deadline but we had close to three friggin weeks to make a decision (granted I doubt it would have gone on past a week) I can also understand if conversation stalled, however:

And I will post more when I have more time, but I just wanted to make a snarky comment.

Nacho was going to post more - you guys hammered him without even giving him (or I) a chance to comment on the latest happenings?

EBWOP: I say pseudo-PD because I could still shoot someone other than mothrax, allowing the greater part of the town to win, while myself losing.

^Kudos to you on this statement trying to sound all town-ish - however why would you do this? This makes you seem even more like scum. It would be like a confirmed scum killing his own team so that the town could win.

P-edit wtf Chrono, and now this post?

Clearly, Nacho has a very low chance of surviving, as being a confirmed-town mason means that he'd be dangerous in lylo.

Bunny is guaranteed to survive.

Scum will probably leave me alive, but that probably means leaving mothrax too. That's 3/4 slots. Therefore if mothrax = town, then there'll be a xkill.

ofc mothrax is probably scum...

That also assumes that each scum team pick a different target...

Are you coaching/sending subtle hints to the other mafia team so that you guys target different people? I notice how you left Furry and I off this list, is that who you are targeting?

Hey scum

- you should target me for the NK - If you don't do it tonight I can commute tomorrow night and endgame. There maybe now Nacho can endgame instead.

Chrono needs to die.

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I have an idea on who scum is going to kill.
Scum are going to target the people who have not acquired the smashed ball.

It's probably going to be Nacho and I - he is confirmed townie - I can commute tomorrow night and they can't kill me (unless scum gets SB tomorrow)- though it will be risky for them as Furry will have a chance to target one of them and get a result.

Guaranteed the two people getting killed tonight are one of us 3. Even if Mothrax and Chrono are town, I do not think they will be killed as there is so much suspicion on them the scum would just choose to let them live anyhow.

You claiming to smash Sharkfinn only helps the scum (if he is town) - I would have preferred you not to tell us who you were smashing in hopes that scum may have targeted the same person - if Sharkfinn is town his role is almost as important as Furry's. I do not get a good feeling going into tonight.

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@Bunny - If stels flips red, do not smash shark.

If he flips red who is blue?

He is scum. Specifically blue.

You are not blue scum due to killing manho (doubt that was a bus)
Bunny is not blue scum because he went nowhere last night (im guessing he isnt ninja)
Nacho is not blue scum because he is mod confimed town (duh)
Chrono is not blue scum because he is day killing (and neutral lyncher)
Tans is not blue scum due to being tracked nowhere N4 (last blue scum is rolled)
Moth is not blue scum due to being tracked nowhere N3 (last blue scum is rolled)

Who is left? Stels.

Man, I feel like playing Halo - all this talk about Red and Blue =D

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I was thinking it may be Furry as well - he got the ball and all 3 kills went through (which only happened once before on N3) - think on nights 1,2 and 4 the scum teams targeted the same person OR targeted the person with the smashball. (It could also be some other thing like someone forgot to hand in a kill) His insistence on asking Bunny who he is smashing irks me a little bit.

However if he flipped scum I'd be shocked. The more I think about it and the more I go over his ISO the more I think he is town. His townvotes and lynch votes for the most part were on confirmed town and scum respectability.

When this game ends, if you were scum Furry - I salute you

[tanstalas]

EBWOP - when I say targeted the person with the smashball I meant targeted the same person that the person with the smashball targeted - though if a scum team did target a NK-immune person I would laugh my ass off

[tanstalas]

If Chrono has a seperate win-con and wins the game tomorrow and we all fight for 2nd place I'm going to be an unhappy camper

[tanstalas]

And if metaknight dies by any hand other than my own, bad things happen [/paraphrase]

I get the kill every odd day afaik. That includes once I deal with Metaknight. idk what happens if Metaknight dies w/out me, but I've been told that it's not good.

So yeah.

/waits for "something bad" to happen

Also find it curious that Mothrax was indeed a townie

@Chronopie

- Since he didn't die by your hand what are your win conditions now?

[tanstalas]

I thought you said you only get to keep your shot if you kill mothrax?

[tanstalas]

I shot Shark like I planed ;D.

Shot?! hello last scum! No you would have smashed.. the fact you said "shot" is something scum would do. Hello scum slip.

Ok the plan is simple, but only if Chrono keeps his vig-power.
Nacho is confirmed town, he the third part of the mason.
I was confirmed by Shark and Furry as town, although I can see why people would worried about that claim.

I was confirmed by Furry as well, I was not confirmed by Shark - you were and we now know Shark was scum, so.. your reasoning fails - if you want to go by a scum saying you are innocent.. lol

Chrono, you have the power to vig.
Tanst, you have nothing.
Its between you two, if their is only one scum left, Chrono should just use his vig power to kill you Tanst, if you flip town, we just lynch Chrono.

*IF* I flip town? Come on now - you know I am town by now, since you are the last scum.

The only hole in this is if Nacho isn't actually a mason, but I highly doubt that.
Also I don't like that the scum teams were not the same, they had different powers.

If we follow your plan then chrono kills me which will leave Nacho(town), Chrono (3rd party) and you (scum)

Night comes you will kill Chrono - day comes and there will be a no lynch, next night you will kill Nacho and you will win

Nice Try Bunny - I salute you but it isn't going to happen

Lynch Vote: Bunny

PS: I have known you were scum since day 3, I wish we would have listened to Fate earlier

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Lol did you just admit that you were blue ninja? Did you even read what you wrote?

Lol and no it wasn't me who said to kill Furry - look back on posts it was chrono - I said he may be scun but I doubt it as all his votes were pretty dead on

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Point out where I said I was blue Ninja.

@Furry - if he flipped town would you agree with Stels reasoning and have a directed smash on Shark?

Sharks claim makes him fishy. Everything else makes him town.

Stels has to be scum unless

1) bunny is blue ninja

2) blue non-killing scum missed a night action
3) blue is made up of goon-goon-GF-RB

2) bunnylover is confirmed town/

mafia ninja

(my N5 result)

Bunny is town or a

mafia ninja

(which I doubt) since he targeted no one last night. If he is scum that is just horrible luck.

Lynch Vote CSL

Only doing this because you're smashing bunny.

Well bunny is only a shot at red scum. No way bunny is blue unless he got hardcore bussed at multiple points.

Also yes and no to chrono

Tans is not red scum (assuming quadz is) because he did nothing. Tans IS

not

blue scum, as he did nothing while another blue RB existed (goon kills RB blocks).

So - Stels wasn't scum - hence you ARE blue scum - blue scum ninja to be exact - I like how you played dumb eluding to "where did anyone say that?" This whole game you have appeared (to me at least) to not be paying attention - now your not paying attention has bought you some rope. Thanks

You want to bang the "Furry thought me innocent drum" well you should have read what he posted. He didn't think you were red scum - however he did not cross blue scum off his list - and it appears now that is what you are.

Thanks for being fail scum - surprised you made it this far in the game though - give yourself a pat on the back

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Wow, got an answer just in time

Asked mod if Nacho and Bunny were to die if you and I could declare a truce and get a tie. I wanted a tie for my sig yes I am the last scum =D

So shoot Nacho and then lynch Bunny with me - we both need to declare in thread that we agree that we want a tie afterwards though

A tie is better than a loss right?

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If there is only the two of us left and we refuse to kill each other why not?

My side wins + you

Town loses and red scum lose

[tanstalas]

I want to - you townvoting yourself though - I don't like that

Lynch vote: Unvote

[tanstalas]

So since you killed Nacho...

We have myself - scum, you - 3p and bunny - town..

We have a mexican standoff lol

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Ninja - lol

I was laughing my ass off as everyone kept saying "Blue ninja" and Furry was saying Tans can't be a blue ninja..

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Actually - I'm tired and gonna go to bed...

Ball is in Bunny's court - he gets to choose who wins, even though he will lose either way

Lynch Vote: Chrono

If he sides with me I will NK him tonight and win
If he sides with you - you will DK him during the next odd day and win

=D

GG all

I'd just like to point out though that Chrono voted you Bunny

[tanstalas]

Bastard.

Lynch Unvote

Lynch Vote: Tanstalas

I don't have to kill Bunny to win though.

Should have expected that from scum.

You need to kill myself OR Bunny though

It's all up to Bunny - he choses who wins and who loses, even though he can't win himself - will be an interesting decision

Anyhow - off to bed

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Meaning it can be a town/3p draw, unlike a town/scum scum-win

There is no draw - someone can kill someone...

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So you'd rather submit to the vagary of a townie, than accept a scum/3P draw?

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And I don't HAVE to kill bunny to win. (Although I'm not sure if I'd win at all, seeing as I didn't kill metaknight)

I didn't say that... you townvoted yourself though.. whichmakes me think you will smash me.. sorry - little paranoid - I'd be willing to lynch him
if you unvoted yourself and voted bunny

[tanstalas]

Town Unvote

Now we lynch Bunny and Draw?

Lets do it

[tanstalas]

Lynch unvote
Lunch vote: bunny
Town vote: Tanstalas

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Wow - I can't believe you fell for that >.>

I'm Scum - you expect me to be honest?

hehehehe

I'll be nice - Do you want to be SMASHED tonight or just plain NK'd?

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Bunny is lynched - it's basically TW now the mod just hasn't been on to declare it "official" so really he cant even talk, and well.. you already Day-vigged Nacho so..

Guess we will have to see what the mod says

[tanstalas]

I like your new Avy though

[tanstalas]

If you "can" cancel it you still lose

So - your choice - do you want the "town" with 18 people to win, or do you want the poor outnumbered scum team with only 4 people to win..

However - I really do need to sleep - need to get up in 6 hours to take my dog to the vet to get him his steroid shots

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And - look at rule #17 - All lynches and actions are considered to be done instaneously. Obviously I can't be on all the time, so they will be posted as soon as possible. Things will be done in the order that I receive them by PM or in the case of lynches when majority is reached/deadline days is up.

So if you can reneg your daykill that would be in violation of the mods rule.. so I don't think you can, and since you daykilled nacho leaving only 3 of us our 2 votes would lynch bunny - and since you un-townvoted yourself and then I townvoted myself before you re-townvoted yourself I *should* get the smashball - if I am reading the rules right... so...

yeah..

Night

[tanstalas]

Recieve being the key for actions.

No pick-up = no kill.

Confirmed as of D5.

DayKill: Nacho

Lynch Vote: Tanstalas

Town Vote: Chrono

Not that I'll need this, unless I'm wrong about Bunny being town.

Question: If all town are dead, (i.e Nacho and Tans are the last town), and I have the smash ball, thus bunny-scum would die, does the town win, as all scum are dead? (Seeing I'm nominally town, even though I'm also 3p))

QFT

Anyhow - lol night We will see what mod says later GG anyhow - I really didn't think I'd make it this far

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Lol @ 10 posts in less than an hour..

Nervous much?

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According to rule 17 nacho is vigged and we were left with 3 then we lynched you.. I think I won but need to wait on mod

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@Mod

- so - Chrono's vig on Nacho didn't go through?

Well, nacho can't win - it's a guaranteed town loss now.

No matter who gets lynched today nacho can't win

If I get lynched chrono townvotes himself and smashes nacho tonight
If Nacho gets lynched (well town loses) and then who knows who dies tonight.. whoever gets smash ball I guess..
If Chrono gets lynched, nacho dies tonight

So..

Townvote: Tanstalas
Lynchvote: Chrono

Just depends on who Nacho wants to win now

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Unless mod says we can call it a 3-way tie.. and then just the red scum lose - lol

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@Mod

- so - Chrono's vig on Nacho didn't go through?

Well, nacho can't win - it's a guaranteed town loss now.

No matter who gets lynched today nacho can't win

If I get lynched chrono townvotes himself and smashes nacho tonight
If Nacho gets lynched (well town loses) and then who knows who dies tonight.. whoever gets smash ball I guess..
If Chrono gets lynched, nacho dies tonight

So..

Townvote: Tanstalas
Lynchvote: Chrono

Just depends on who Nacho wants to win now

NVM - I see you said you changed the vig kill to Bunny.. le sigh

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@

Chrono

- Does it say in your role PM that you can submit a daykill in the thread by doing daykill: person?

If so - I really do not agree with you being able to "retract" your daykill - kinda like if someone hammered and then unvoted afterwards...

Looking forward to seeing your role PM after the game

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Lynch Vote: Tans

Town Vote: Chrono

I should've vigged Nacho, let bunny push you to lynch ftw.

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Nacho, get back here, for three seconds, and hammer Tans kthx.

I fail to see why you are playing for a town win?

If you come in 2nd place you will be behind 18 other people
If you lose to me... you will be behind only 4..

@Mod

- Can you answer question for me? Chrono

VIGGED

Nacho in the thread - if he can vig people in thread (part of his Role PM) then Nacho

SHOULD

be dead now - then votes reset right after person is vigged so... then Chrono and I

LYNCHED

Bunny - and I had convinced Chrono to untown vote himself so I could get the smashball and the 1st townvote on me...

If we are going by

YOUR RULES

then this game should be over - Nacho should have been DK'd and Bunny should have been lynched and I should have the smashball to kill Chrono tonight.

From the rules posted:

[*] All lynches and actions are considered to be done instaneously. Obviously I can't be on all the time, so they will be posted as soon as possible. Things will be done in the order that I receive them by PM or in the case of lynches when majority is reached/deadline days is up.

I played a very risky gambi

t - and I thought it paid off - if you are saying that Chrono can renig a daykill that he

POSTED

in the thread... that seems slightly unfair, unless it says in his PM that he can retract it? A daykill is like a hammer - the target is

DEAD

after it happens...

I do not know why I am getting the short end of the stick here... and now we have to wait for Nacho to get back?

As far as I am concerned My scum team

should have won going by your rules

, and I am slightly disappointed in you that the game is still going.

Apparently mod does not want me to win, and I am tempted to just self-hammer to end this game since (in my opinion) I should have already won - but got screwed over by the mod

[tanstalas]

Lynch Vote: Tans

Town Vote: Chrono

I should've vigged Nacho, let bunny push you to lynch ftw.

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Nacho, get back here, for three seconds, and hammer Tans kthx.

*sigh*

The only thing I am hoping for is for Nacho to agree that mod took a baseball bat to my ass and raped me with it over and over and agrees with me and lynches you - either way nacho loses.. it comes down to who he wants to see win I suppose since the mod screwed me

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Sorry mod I owe you a public apology - adding this site to the sites I need to stay away from while intoxicated

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@Chrono - Nacho going V/LA when down to 3 of us when he just needs to make a decision irks me..

Town vote: unvote
Lynch vote: Unvote
Lynch vote: Nacho

Agree on a tie?

I untownvoted as you can see - just trusting you that you won't use the smash ball on me tonight - going out on a limb here - hopefully you are a trustworthy guy.

@Mod

- If Chrono agrees to it - I think we can live in peace and live happily ever after This is my confirmation to you and Chrono that I agree to a tie if it is just us 2 left.

[tanstalas]

Lynch Vote: Unvote
Lynch Vote Chrono

Gave you a chance to end in a tie... now we will wait to see who Nacho votes for

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@Nacho - I give you same terms that I gave Chrono - as of now you have 0 chance to win game... unless Chrono offers you a tie as well..

[tanstalas]

Technically when you voted yourself we has 2 non winners - myself and Chrono

[tanstalas]

On way to work now posting from BB - will post more in a couple hours

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townvote tanstalas

Just in case - sine there is NOW 1 non-winner since Chrono has been lynched..

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I am SO butthurt right now. Seriously. The fact that town won on such a little technicality is driving me nuts.
Besides, aren't the town point totals determined BEFORE someone is lynched? Because if someone being lynched has more town points than lynch votes, a no lynch occurs.

/continues bitching

I still think my reasoning was better, when he townvoted himself there were still two non-winners - should have been a vote reset after the lynch I guess?

GG

Though if you run it again I'd say make it so the town vote also needs at least one more vote than the second person for it - so that this sort of thing will not happen, nor if a day comes into effect with a scum and a town the first person to log on and townvote themself won't win automatically - (Hey some people have lives and can't be on 24/7 - not saying *I* am one of those people but..)

And I would like to apologize again to the mods for my drunken ranting - it was totally uncalled for, and I am shocked I wasn't mod-killed after I saw what I wrote

(Also surprised a "Guys Pt 3" thread hasn't started yet in reference to aforementioned baseball bats)

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OH MY DEAR LORD

That Dead chat is huge.. lol

I have no problem with our chat being posted if the other members of our team don't mind

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@Stels

- lol - cabin fever in your QT much? Talking to yourself? hahaha

You should see about getting yourself some drugs to help with that

*remembers he was talking to himself in his QT when everyone else was dead*

... if you find out what cures that let me know - I may need a prescription

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tans. You got nominated.

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 5#p2537595

>.>

Thought I was going to see "Guys Pt. 3" when I clicked on that..

Thanks guys

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http://www.quicktopic.com/44/H/QhdrLSbavvrf

Our QT since I didn't see anyone object to it being posted

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IMO town votes are tallied before lynch votes due to this fact: If a player has more town votes than lynch votes and is lynched, a no lynch occurs. This shows town votes have priority over a lynch.

^ That was my understanding as well

Also since there were 2 non-winners when Nacho voted himself it should not have counted. I could understand maybe if he had voted to lynch first and then townvote because then he would have TV'd himself AFTER the hammer, but the way he posted his votes he TV'd himself while there were two non-winners.

Anyhow game is over, whatever. Arguing with the mod is like winning at the special olympics