Super Smash Bros. Mafia! GAME OVER!!

[Pikachu]

OUR HYDRA IS UP

[Pikachu]

now to find a sweet avatar...

[Pikachu]

Ooh I (Friend) should pick a color too...how about

this nice green? Mods?

[Pikachu]

Cool. I dig the green.

Almaster, you get something less cool.

[Pikachu]

[AGM]

HOW ABOUT NOW?

[Pikachu]

That's what I'm talking about.

[Pikachu]

YEEEAHHHH

Let's start some shit.

[Pikachu]

Brian, who are you?
Also, I'd recommend getting an avatar. Makes for easier reading.

[Pikachu]

Inception is a brilliant movie.

[Pikachu]

Do we

have

to wait for VibeBox?

[Pikachu]

[AGM]

Kill: SocioPath

Vote: diddin

, GOD don't be so arrogant and vote for yourself for town nomination that's like nominating yourself for an award.

[Pikachu]

[FRIEND]

Looks as if this has finally started so...

VOTE: Gandalf for reasons that if you read Newbie 976 you would understand.

you just earned my vote.

Vote: Framm18

And cause I like controversy,

Town Vote: MehPlusRawr

What does the gandalf vote have to do with you?

A few things more

1) Fate lynch wagon is awful. I hate to use mod error, but it is there, and Fate is more likely then not town because of it. I will explain if needed but as a critical thinking exercise, try and figure it out on your own first. Only reason I am not town-voting Fate is that I would prefer vig powers in hands of someone who will think about it and is prob town then someone who is impuslive and almost for sure town at this point in a game.

If you're talking about the broken links, I don't think it's a good indicator of scum/town. I think everyone got a broken link. I know for a fact all the hydras did - does that mean I think every hydra is town? No.

I don't think there have been any tells of consequence, if any at all. Looks like people are just feeling each other out, throwing votes around, seeing what sticks.

What reasoning on the MPR wagon? There is none, and I'd even be willing to bet there's overeager scum on it. It would take some wagon analyzing (which I'll probably end up doing) to figure out who's most likely to be scum out of the MPR wagoners, but it looks like there's one on there.

This post is worthless. "OMG GAIZ THERE MAY BE SCUM ON THE MPR WAGON"
Come on. Looking forward to your "wagon analysis" though.

@SSK: Wanna post more about Framm, or anything else? What do YOU think of the MPR wagon?

Why are you only pressing SSK? This is, again, a worthless question. The MPR wagon is just an RVS wagon, nothing more.

unvote, lynch vote: Kirbyoshi

Town Vote:Pikachu

Why did you townvote us?

[Pikachu]

[FRIEND]

Sigh, Pika. Am I gonna hafta put up with this from you all game?

imo, either nacho or Mongoose is the most likely to be scum based solely off of the MPR wagon, as they didn't even give RVS reasons. Mongoose even goes so far as to Town Vote someone else WITH reasoning, but not attach any reasoning to his LV on MPR.

That's your wagon analysis, eh?

Why is not giving RVS reasons scummy? What is the scum motivation for piling on the MPR wagon - there's literally NO risk of quicklynch in a game this big.

I mean, sure, there's a chance scum was on the wagon simply based off odds, but if this is what you call scumhunting you're going to have to do a lot better than that.

And yes, you're going to have to put up with us. Get over it.

[Pikachu]

[FRIEND]

Saying "OMG short days are bad" is one of the EASIEST ways for scum to look like they're town.

Kirby, why did it take further prodding to get you to vote? Why did you townvote Fate?

[Pikachu]

[FRIEND]

UNVOTE: mpr
VOTE: seth

With all the talk about the seth wagon (looking at you MPR), mongoose did something eerily similar here - wagoned without reasons.

The seth wagon isn't great, it's only going off one post and while that post is scummy, seth has shown his VI-ness in an OMG ONGOING GAME so it might just be one aspect of that, we just gotta hear more from him.

I don't mind a Fate town-wagon, although I'd rather have it be us. I'll talk to AGM before putting down a townvote though.

I don't like how SGRaaize never votes. Why so cautious?

Kirbyoshi is a good wagon. Mongoose isn't bad either but I'm sticking with Kirb on this one.

[Pikachu]

[AGM]

FATE ISN'T POSTING IN ALL CAPS? WHAT? Something is amiss. I do not endorse this town wagon. Especially because Fate totally would start a town wagon on himself as scum.

The lynch Kirby wagon, though, is

the

hip place to be. Book your tickets now while you still can.

[Pikachu]

[AGM]

Also, the seth vote by zaziesurio is scummy because seth is obviously VI/trying to be cool and not actually scum. Get off that wagon and do some real work.

[Pikachu]

[FRIEND]

Oh wow Kirbyoshi has EIGHT votes?

Look, that slip that wasn't pointed is BS. He clearly meant that no one has dropped any SCUMtells yet, even though he had a slight town read of Frayed.

That's not why we think he's scummy.

@Frayed: I can't answer for the other half of the hydra but I think that he would do it as both town and scum so it find it to be somewhat of a null-tell.

@manho: Why are you so sure of Fate's abilities?

[Pikachu]

[FRIEND]

@Nacho: Haven't I been over this already? Look at our 175 and some of the subsequent posts.

I find some of the other cases presented to be a stretch too but I think ours is solid.

Seems odd that you find some Kirbyoshi cases horrible and reaching but you posted this gem of a case on SSK:

third party or a mafiaite

You put third party before mafiaite? Which means... you're looking for third party before you're looking for mafia? Which means you're scum.

quicklynch please

VOTE TO LYNCH: MAFIASSK

@manho: No, I (Friend) haven't.

[Pikachu]

[FRIEND]

Pikachu, that was a sarcastic case to point out just how MUCH SSK was reaching at that point. The other cases on Kirby certainly didn't seem sarcastic to me.

Okay, I see.

And sorry for missing your case. I guess all the bad ones blotted it out... Also, are you really comfortable sitting on that wagon, considering the company you have surrounding you?

Yeah, I feel alright about it. I think he's scum. Although diddin is slowly getting more scummy.

[Pikachu]

[FRIEND]

Why aren't we using the smashball as a pseudo double lynch instead of putting all of our trust in one member who we all THINK is town? AKA, We have a lynch, and then we have a 'night lynch'. Two town lynches for the price of voting. It changes whom we give the smashball to a 1-shot protection.

I like this idea.

[Pikachu]

[FRIEND]

That last post by tanstalas was pretty weak. I'm starting to question the Kirbyoshi wagon - it's like Nacho said, the quality of the people on it are not good.

[Pikachu]

[FRIEND]

Why are you assuming there's a bus driver?

[Pikachu]

[AGM]

Mega FoS: tanstalas

I actually thought of the EXACT same argument as you and agree 100% that we should not have town directed kills. There is absolutely NOO way that the mafia does not have a way to counter this ... other wise the town would just have double lynches, which is broken as hell. HOWEVER, playing the newbie card as the response is a TERRIBLE play. Positively screams scum trying to cover tracks.

FATE response later.

[Pikachu]

[AGM]

@Fate - I have no reason to think OMG YOU ARE OBVTOWN like everybody else does. Especially when this is a SELF-DECLARATION supported by people like Nacho, who loves one liners and not explaining himself and a dude I think is scum.

Soo the only reason I would townvote you right now is because I think you would make a good shot, like you say here:

I'm promising a huge 28 player game that I'll use it in a pro-town matter though. My reputation is at stake, and I won't fail to deliver.

Which is bullshit, because if you are scum and you pull it off, people aren't going to blame you afterwards and say, "OMG U SUCK AS TOWN ... AS SCUM." They'll say, "good play." Not to mention it's not hard to spin a shot on slightly scummy town player as a protown play (while still avoiding shooting scum).

Also, for meta, you don't need to read scumgame. You just cross-reference town game with whether or not you think the player is capable enough to take advantage of that town meta as scum. Relevant facts
-You usually come under fire at some point
-Self-declaring as town is something might do
-Possible scum play is, get the shot by being loud and self-declaring yourself as town, then not shoot scum, people hate you but who cares you stole the shot from town and were probably going to get lynched anyway so oh well.

Again, this doesn't prove you are scum and it isn't even the LIKELY SCENARIO. It is just POSSIBLE. And given that I have no OTHER reason to vote for you as town, why would I?

BUT HEY, WE'RE JUST ONE VOTE. IF YOU GET THE GUN ANYWAY AND SHOOT SCUM, THEN FINE YOU'RE RIGHT AND I'M WRONG.

tl;dr

I have no reason to believe you are town.

[Pikachu]

[AGM]

TREES FOR THE FOREST (im pretty sure that is right)! THINK HARDER!

WOOSH.

I'm just going to let my other head make the call on this one.

[Pikachu]

[AGM]

ARHGHHHHHRUGHREUWAIRUGHspojdask;lqwresdoksc.

FINE.

MY EXPECTATIONS ARE HIGH. THIS MOVE HAD BETTER NOT MAKE ME DISSAPOINT.

Town Vote: Fate

[Pikachu]

[FRIEND]

I also would like to hear why MPR is scummy, haven't really seen that yet.

About diddin: I don't find the idea of a self townvote necessarily scummy - anti-town, yes, but not scummy. However, I think the way diddin did it was scummy - he played it off as a "gambit" when the vote and the subsequent posts sounded pretty serious to me. It's like when people called him out for the self-vote he called it a "gambit" to cover it up and take off suspicion ("don't worry guys I was just trying to end RVS! That's not scummy!"). Additionally, I find his case on kirbyoshi to be a HUGE stretch (as others have pointed out). Not sure if I want to change our vote at this juncture but IGMEO diddin.

[Pikachu]

[AGM]

It cannot be manipulated in any shape or form that isn't the person with the Smash Ball. It goes through litterally everything.

Hmm...this makes it sound like town CAN guide the shot. That basically gives us two lynches per day, though, which seems a bit ridiculous...

Whatever. Even if this is true, I think FOR THE EARLY GAME we should just let the person shoot whomever they want. This way, scum and dumbtown can't interfere with the shot. We can play around with consensus shooting later when things become more tight.

you're giving him a FoS because he said he was kinda newbie in response to not knowing that the Bus Driver is a random role?
Derp

HERP DERP, THAT'S RIGHT. Tt reads way more scumslip than noob, at least to me.

Also the fact that nacho says he is town just makes me think he is scum more, because with the exception of him trying REALLY HARD to get me to give Fate that town vote his posts are unsettling.

ALSO SETH STOP SELF-VOTING. YOU AREN'T COOL. Change that vote to some scum. Unless you are scum, in which case go ahead and leave it there. Or unless it's a mod error, in which case mod fix pl0x.

[Pikachu]

[Pikachu]

[AGM]

@tanstalas - NOOOO because there are SCUM in the game and they GET TO VOTE TOO. And they will NOT VOTE TO KILL SCUM. Also, there are probably lots of dumb townies who can mess up the vote as well. Whereas if we just give it to someone who is probtown and good at shooting gunz (which they better be 'cause we VOTED FOR THEM as obvtown, remember) then they can shoot scum without scum messing them up.

ALSO THE ABOVE POST WAS [AGM] TOO, SUCK IT NACHO.

[Pikachu]

[FRIEND]

I like a diddin lynch, especially after that reaction post up there ^^

It feels scummy. Calling the wagoneers terrible instead of providing actual defenses for the actual cases presented on you is extremely scummy. You didn't even mention Fate's vote:

At this point in time enough pages have gone by without content from Mongoose that he is better Smashball material than lynch material. Diddn's post have not come off as geniune. His reluctance to comment on any town wagon, or real wagon, and focus on primarily defending his selftown-vote actions retroactively make me believe this wagon will hit home.

Unvote:
Lynch Vote: diddin

@Furry: I am quite sane this game, actually.

unvote, lynch vote: diddin

[Pikachu]

[FRIEND]

PEdit'd by Fate. ARGH

[Pikachu]

[FRIEND]

I take a long time typing my posts. And I'm lazy and click submit cause I want to get my post out there. What's your point?

PEDIT OMG: I agree with SocioPath.

[Pikachu]

Something is not right.
I agree with socio and pika too.
Mass name claim NOW.
Diddin first.

If you agree with Socio, then why do you ask for a mass name claim? He's saying names don't have anything to do with alignment. It's completely useless.

[Pikachu]

Also, can you guys find a way to differentiate between your two heads?

[Pikachu]

Also, that was [FRIEND].

[Pikachu]

[FRIEND]

Exactly, just from a modding standpoint, making the "bad guys" scum is completely game-breaking since I also doubt there's any fakeclaims.

[Pikachu]

[FRIEND]

WHAT ABOUT FATE'S VOTE

[Pikachu]

[FRIEND]

Sitback and let me interrogate diddin, Friend.

Buuuut we make such a nice team! It's like good cop/bad cop.

[Pikachu]

[AGM]

HELLO, please tell me why we are telling the scum who the town are during twilight?

[Pikachu]

[AGM]

Townvote: Furry

Hes's actually obvtown, unlike Nacho.

[Pikachu]

[FRIEND]

WHOA AGM WE'RE ON AT THE SAME TIME

I agree with your townvote.

Fate, being on your townwagon is not a town-tell, contrary to what you're thinking.

Furry is definitely town.

For the lynch vote, we'll have to talk about it.

[Pikachu]

[FRIEND]

Can we lynch this dude?

But you have no vote thrown down. Why haven't you done that if you want to lynch him so bad?

I'm pretty sure Kirbyoshi is town because of diddin's flip.

I'm finding Zaziesurio to be quite scummy right now, actually.

A mason with a cop in it? Jesus Christ, you really like going with improbable setups, don't you?

I've been cop neighboured with mafia traitor before (Avatar Mafia, for those interested in looking it up). For some reason the mod didn't predict that my neighbour would of course be the first person I scanned.

/off topic

I'm down with a diddin lynch, but I want to hear more from this Mongoose fellow.

Y'know, I just read diddin's iso, and I don't buy it.

unlynch vote: Mongoose
lynch vote: diddin

Still don't like Mongoose, though.

This looks to me exactly like the process of bussing would look - "I'm 'okay' with my buddy's lynch, but I don't support it...Oh wait, more votes? Then I'm on the wagon!" Then they (it?) goes on to call diddin obvscum even though they hardly made a case against him, just saying "I don't buy his ISO" doesn't fly.

Lynch Vote: Zaziesurio

[Pikachu]

[FRIEND]

@Kirbyoshi: Cause Zaziehydra did it in a more subtle way. It seemed like they were trying to cover it up while vezo was being his usual VI self.

[Pikachu]

[AGM]

LOL HOW DID YOU LIKE OUR SUPER DELAYED IN-THREAD ACTIVATED DAYKILL?

Just kidding. We didn't kill SocioPath.

Also, Fate, give one reason why Nacho is obvtown other than "he did a good job in this other game."

[Pikachu]

[FRIEND]

Speaking for AGM, I think he meant "lynch vote" when he wrote kill. It's an unfortunate coincidence and if you think it's serious than you're not all that intelligent.

SETUP SPECULATION HERE:

2 mafia groups - Traitor Mafia (people like Luigi, normally "good" characters who make up a mafia faction) and maybe some sort of "Baddie" Mafia with the normal villians (Bowser, Ganondorf, etc.)? Just a thought.

No comment on our Zazie vote? Come on guys.

[Pikachu]

[FRIEND]

ALRIGHT FATE. Me and AGM have talked about this and while we don't particularly agree and think Furry is more town than Nacho, we're willing to give it a shot.

Townvote: Nacho

In the meantime, can we get a wagon going on Zaziesurio please? No content other than "I've read the thread and I'll vote diddin but I don't really want to" does not scream town if you know what I'm sayin'.

[Pikachu]

[AGM]

I LIKE HOW CHRONO SAYS WE SHOULDN'T LYNCH LURKERS AND SHOULD FOCUS ON HUNTING SCUM AND THEN HE DOESN'T HUNT. LOL.

[Pikachu]

[FRIEND]

Chrono, take away interactions with diddin. Who do you think is scum based purely on their play?

[Pikachu]

[FRIEND]

@Chrono: That's all you got? Gut feelings and WIFOMy cases based on people diddin called town?

unlynchvote, lynchvote: Chronopie

Since no one is joining us in our quest to lynch Zaziesurio.

Also, I would assume that the "baddie" scumteams (Bowser, etc.) have fakeclaims, since it said so in the damn signup thread. A nameclaim would be pointless.

[Pikachu]

[AGM]

Promise is pointless because if it's jester nobody is going to do it.

So how about you just tell us and then we decide?

[Pikachu]

[FRIEND]

@Mod: My side of the hydra is going to be V/LA until Tuesday 8/17. Sorry guys.

[Pikachu]

[AGM]

WHAT ARE YOU GUYS DOING. STOP STOP STOP STOP STOP. GANDALF LYNCH IS THE FUCKING WORST IDEA. EVER.

1) Flavor speculation is bull shit
2) Even if he's telling the truth, we still LOSE A LYNCH, so basically its lynch vs smashball, and lynch is waaaaay better because you get data and wagon analysis out of it, unlike this shit where everybody just piles on gandalf for the same reason and then one person Vig's somebody for who knows the fuck why.
3) This whole thing SCREAMS JESTER at the top of its lungs.

[Pikachu]

3. He's telling the truth. Then he gets NK'd and we lose toMorrow.

And my god, and statements like this really get to me because people are acting like "OMG IF WE DONT LYNCH GANDALF THE GAME FUCKIN ENDS NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO."

THATS NOT HOW IT IS AT ALL. You lose today by lynching gandalf so ITS THE SAME.

[Pikachu]

[AGM]

Fate, why isn't Kirby scum?

[Pikachu]

Wait.

You claimed beloved princess because you thought lynching you was the most protown move.

But now Fate is town for saying we shouldn't lynch you.

Wut?

[Pikachu]

[FRIEND]

Dana, nameclaiming is stupid, sorry. Scum have fakeclaims and we don't want to just guess based on who we think would be a "Traitor."

Townvote: Furry

. He deserves it.

Lynch vote: Zaziesurio

, as my case from yesterday still stands.

[Pikachu]

[FRIEND]

I don't hate a Vezokener lynch, but I don't like it much either. They seem like bored VTs more than scum IMO.

[Pikachu]

[FRIEND]

I also hate the Vezokener wagon, like I've said earlier. Dana is spot on. Zaziesurio is where it's at and nobody else is willing to pressure them.

[Pikachu]

[AGM]

My suggesting a nameclaim was very townie, because it meant that I would have been willing to claim with no pressure put on me whatsoever. It's true that it wouldn't give us much, if any, information on who's scum, but that was just a mistake in how many characters are in the game, which I already mentioned.

This is soooooooooooooooo questionable.

How does you being willing to claim make you town?

If it doesn't do anything, what's the point? And if there is no point, then aren't you null for suggesting it, not TOWN?

[Pikachu]

[FRIEND]

It is invisible to you guys when I post the words "PLEASE VOTE ZAZIESURIO, AS THEY ARE SCUM"?

Cause NOBODY is listening to us. They are scummy.

[Pikachu]

[FRIEND]

INDEED I DID. IT IS DUE TO MY INSANITY. MY GOD THEY ARE SCUMMY BESIDES THE LURKING. I MADE A POST ABOUT THIS. READ IT.

[Pikachu]

[FRIEND]

Alright, that's all I really wanted; people to pay attention to us and at least discuss the case. If you think it's unsupported, whatever, but I think the Zaziehydra gained some town points with the response she gave. I wasn't really tunneling, just trying to get people to actually listen and talk about it instead of ignoring and saying "welp vote vezokener."

unlynchvote: Zaziesurio

[Pikachu]

[FRIEND]

Actually, fuck it. My gut was probably right.

Lynchvote: Zaziesurio

Townvote: Furry

[Pikachu]

Well, it's true. We're Mario, town doctor.

unlynchvote: Zaziesurio

lynchvote: Chronopie

[Pikachu]

[AGM]

WHAT. THE. HELL.

Protect each other till the end of time?

Yeah, there's no way to stop that, or anything. No super common role called a ROLEBLOCKER COULD POSSIBLY EXIST OUT THERE.

CONGRAT-U-FUCKING-LATIONS, WE ARE AS GOOD AS DEAD.

Smash ball now, pl0x.

[Pikachu]

Unvote Town Vote. Town Vote: PIkachu.

[Pikachu]

[AGM]

Maybe you should KEEP AWAY FROM WAGONS WHERE SOMEONE IS SOFTCLAIMING KNOWLEDGE OF SOMEONE ELSE'S ROLE. DURR.

JUST BECAUSE SOME OTHER PEOPLE IN THE GAME WERE BEING STUPID DIDN'T MEAN YOU HAD TO TAKE US DOWN WITH YOU.

[Pikachu]

[AGM]

WAIT.
WAIT.
WAIT.

What happened to the roles NOT linking to the character names?

Kirby = Absorber?

It's too perfect. Nobody else could have that role.

This is starting to REEK of mafia rolecop.

[Pikachu]

[FRIEND]

But, we're just Mario, dana. Not DOCTOR MARIO. If the role names linked, we'd be DOCTOR MARIO. It's not interesting.

[Pikachu]

[AGM]

If names ARE linked to roles, then how is the mass nameclaim you proposed harmless? Wouldn't that help scum determine who likely and powerful PRs are?

As for where I got the idea in the first place, I don't actually know. I THOUGHT somebody said that, but maybe not. Either way, Zaziesurio is still an idiot.

[Pikachu]

[FRIEND]

Sigh. I think some role names work, some don't. I mean Luigi as godfather, come on.

In any case, Kocc, Kirby, Mafia Absorber works too. We know there's a "Traitor" Mafia group. Nobody's doubting the role, we're doubting the alignment.

[Pikachu]

[AGM]

I believe that roles are linked to names and that a nameclaim would not be harmless judging by that. Let us not take about the mass nameclaim anymore, it's been thoroughly discussed. If somebody has reason to believe that roles are not linked to names, please speak up because it is important.

I love how the minute it becomes apparent that your massclaim idea is bad and doesn't make you look protown, you start saying, "oh hey guys let's shove that under the rug and not talk about it anymore."

WE ARE TOTALLY TALKING ABOUT IT BECAUSE YOU ARE ADVOCACY SHIFTING AND IT MAKES YOU LOOK BAD.

Answer my question. If massclaim IS harmful, which you say in the quoted post, then what is the benefit of doing so and why did you say you were protown for making the suggestion? Are you saying you were wrong before?

[Pikachu]

[AGM]

No we don't agree, stop giving bullshit speculation and tell me whether you think dana is scum.

[Pikachu]

[AGM]

It sort of matters in some extremely relevant contexts (e.g., when discussing Zaziesurio), but in the big scope of things, it's a load of WOOOOOSH.

Who do you think the top 3 scum picks are?

[Pikachu]

[FRIEND]

Just checking in, saying we're still here. We think mongoose is town too.

[Pikachu]

[FRIEND]

@Fate: Yes. He's up there on our smashing list, actually, along with bunnylover.

[Pikachu]

[FRIEND]

An opportunity to wagon Dana? Sign me up.

vote: Danakillsu

[Pikachu]

unlynchvote, lynchvote: Danakillsu

[Pikachu]

Sigh...Proven role =/= proven alignment. So Dana's a mafia watcher...nothing changes. Wagon is still good.

[Pikachu]

PIT WAS SAD CAUSE HE GOT LEFT OUT OF THE FIRST TWO GAMES AND THEY HAVEN'T MADE A KID ICARUS SEQUEL YET SO HE DECIDED TO TAKE REVENGE

OH NO WE'RE GOING TO LOSE A TOWN VOTE I'M SO DAMN SCARED

MAFIA WATCHERS EXIST. YOU'RE NOT HELPING YOUR ARGUMENT ANY

[Pikachu]

oh yeah dana mafia got fakeclaims too lol

going "ZOMG I'M PIT GUYZZZ" ain't gonna save you.

[Pikachu]

Guys. We shot Framm. Sorry. He was lurking, under the radar, and being generally scummy...if you ISO him you can probably see we were justified.

Well I suppose we don't have too long to live, but I'm pretty sure we forgot to send in a protect last night, unless AGM did it. I think we protected Furry both of the other two nights.

NACHO WHY IN THE HELL DID YOUR SMASHBALL NOT GO THROUGH

[Pikachu]

unlynchvote, lynchvote: mongoose

untownvote town vote: SharkFinn

[Pikachu]

Hi.

We've claimed already.

CSL is probscum.