Reckamonic's Ocarina of Time Mafia..OVER! Was Hyrule saved?

[jmj3000]

Hmm, I read the thread, and saw that substrike only posted his confirm. I don't see any reasoning from you as to why you voted him, yet you are pushing the cupcake for the reasoning behind their vote. So, again, what is your reasoning behind your vote. Don't be obstinate, I do not like people who are obstinate and refuse to explain reasoning behind actions.

[jmj3000]

So, again, what is your reasoning behind your vote.

You're the first person to actually ask, so I don't understand the usage of "again." My vote was supposed to have attention called to it for not being a random vote and thus creating discussion that actually has meaning.

So your vote was, in essence, a random vote that you just said "Serious vote"? I don't believe you. Also, everyone else asked you also, you just chose not to answer because they didn't phrase it as a question.

[jmj3000]

Vote: evilpacman18

Evil little girl is evil.

Relevant to that picture

[jmj3000]

Chess, you buddied, you misrepped Ythan by taking a post he said after he told you to point out where he had deflected a point with sarcasm and said that was him deflecting, and even I know that was a direct comment on your point. If you had the time to post that wall, you had the time to pull up evidence to support your points. Also, posting that wall then not trying to defend it makes it seem like you know its flimsy, and you posted that wall just to appear like you were posting content. All in all, you are extremely scummy.

Vote: chesskid]/b]

[jmj3000]

Thank you chrono. Lets try that again.

vote: chesskid

[jmj3000]

dammit do you guys never sleep? 2 new pages in 5 hours and most of it is Ythan/Chess bickering... I am having RMMMMM flashbacks and I wasn't even in that game D1.
Chess plays like this... at least in [redacted]. It is his "new meta". annoying as hell, but more VI than anything. If fate or drmy weren't in this game I would call Alt, but I am not sure at this point.

Sleep? What is that?

[jmj3000]

HAI JENNI!

[jmj3000]

It is also slightly bastardly, not to mention I am sure reck and dram would not allow a name claim to clear someone.

[jmj3000]

I'm telling you right now. My flavor was /VERY/ specific to my role.

[jmj3000]

Please no, just, just no.

[jmj3000]

haha, I was going to control-copy my pm into the thread to prove my point about flavor, but I like Reck games, so I'm not going to.

Hey chess, guess what. I wouldn't believe you if you posted your role PM due to me having read the rules. Guess what I saw. This:

19) Mod and PM quoting: You can post your role PM if it amuses you, but quoting any other communication with me is forbidden

Guess what that screams to me. It screams to me there have been safe claims provided to the scum. I have experience with Reck doing that in L4D Mafia.

[jmj3000]

Ok, with what Nik said, I will

unvote: chesskid

. I am going to read from my last post and see what I can pick up.

[jmj3000]

Din flat out is fire. There is a reason her spell in the game is called "Din's Fire". So, using that logic and connection, its not such a leap to assume Nayru is aquatic and Farore is verdant. I have also always associated water with protection and Nayru's Love is out and out a protection spell. Also Dekes, why contradict yourself? I believe Link would count as a verdant, as he grew up and lived most of his life in Kokiri Forest, even though he isn't a Kokiri.

[jmj3000]

You quoted the sentence after my question Dekes, but I dont blame you. I set that paragraph up terribly. The question should have been off by itself, and here is the contradiction I meant.

Is this conclusion based on flavor speculation only? If so, I'm not buying it.

I can give you a good reason. Flavor-wise Nayru isn't aquatic in the game, why should she be here, when it's evident that not every role is aligned to Aquatic, Verdant and (mountain-like)? I'm not aligned to any of those, why do the godesses have to be if they aren't in the game either? I don't see your logic behind it.

So LL is wrong because she is using flavor speculation, but you are right because you are using flavor speculation? Also, how are you so sure every role is aligned to an element?

P-Edit:

Although I think Ganadorf would be align with dark/shadow, but that isn't really important.

If we are going that route, then I can see Princess Zelda being aligned with light. Thats about all the elemental alignments I can think of.

[jmj3000]

Just noticed this, btw.
So cool.

With 28 alive, it takes 14 to lynch!

I hope thats a mod error. If not, Kai, what in the world did you do?

Also, I am going to really reread the past few pages. My posts lately have been about what was going on when I looked, and thats because I wasn't feeling well. I hate thread explosions when sick.

[jmj3000]

Ok, I am not keeping anything straight, thanks to the doctors giving me medicine that kills my attention span and puts me in a fog. Can someone besides Ythan, LadyL, or Cupcake sum up everything into a nice post? If someone does, please be sure to include what set off the whole circular argument between Ythan and LadyL. I will be sure to make a content post after that if someone obliges me.

[jmj3000]

Ok, I read post 1333, but that i just the ythan/ladyl/cupcake stuff. I meant in addition to that. Cupcake, comments on your post will come at the same time I comment on everything else.

[jmj3000]

My guess? Flaking way too much. /offgamechatter

I am going to slog through this game and see what I can pick out of the arguments that have been brought up. Wish me luck.

[jmj3000]

RayFrost, how long did it take you to read through all 60+ pages of the thread? I already stated I was doing a reread of it, hence why I haven't really commented on anything that has happened recently. I do have a few pages of notes though, and hopefully in the next few days can get some content posts out. Just bear with me for a little longer, okay?

[jmj3000]

Ok, I gave up on my re-read as I was getting further and further behind, and going off of Nikanor's most recent post, I am ISO-ing the posts of the leading wagons, from largest to smallest. Here is what I have seen so far.

GIS:
On the first page of their ISO, I see this.

@ Dekes, no sir but

I think that if he will be a detriment to town later on then he is sparable today

. I think we need to get a competing bandwagon going IMO chess could just be really terrible, I really dont have much expirience with him.

What. The. Hell. Do my eyes deceive me, or does he really say he wants to keep someone who might be a detriment to town later?

So I'm on page 21 and wondering why there's a page 22.
Here are the possibilities, in order of likelihood:
1. Chess is scum, telling the truth about his role. He knows he'll be lynched tomorrow if he's not today, so he'll use his ability tonight, no question. Not to mention, he's scum, so. INSTALYNCH MATERIAL.
2. Chess is scum, lying about his role. He's scum. So. Also, don't rule this one out because chess couldn't come up with that fakeclaim. Dram always has QTs open during daytime, so a scumbuddy could have done it, no problem. INSTALYNCH MATERIAL
3. Chess is town, telling the truth about his role. He needs to die, or he'll OMGUS with his role. INSTALYNCH MATERIAL
4. Chess is town, lying about his role. He's retarded. INSTALYNCH MATERIAL.

I don't see any backing up of these statements anywhere. Sounds like you were trying to use others to build your case for you.

unvote
vote ythan

for reason stated by LL
btw she is 100% right about what she's talking about

Okay, I'm still not read up, but Nayru is NOT aquatic. She's a goddess, her race would reflect that. Oh, and ythan is town, please stop bein stupid.

Insta-contradiction, just add water! Only thing I could possibly think of to excuse this is shotty posting., then gandalf. Oh wait, thats the explanation given.

Gandalf what policy are you employing? And so help me if you mention VI...

He is a detrement to the town, and we should lynch his anti-town ass now when we still have a lynch
And about Kdub's point... Me(Shotty) and Gand had a little bit of a different view point and he posted that before he had finished reading.

Way to say "Lynch the VI' without saying "Lynch the VI" >.>

Ythan, if you can provide me with another elemental modifier that makes sense for Nayru, I'll believe that you have good intentions here. I've always associated wisdom (Nayru's domain) with water, so that's why I believe the claim.

Not all roles have elemental modifiers lol.

Claiming inside information here are you?

Verdant means related to the forest. Look it up. Also, I'm simply wondering what you guys would think if I could minimize the damages. But actually, I won't do that, ever, because I just thought of an awesome endgame scenario involving me.

Except your "Soft-claim-that-wasn't-really-a-soft-claim" ensures your death, unless one of two things happen/are true: 1) Doc protect and there aren't multiple kills or 2) you are scum.

Also, just a note.

JaBOC's stance right now is very similar to mine in SWN:III. Defensive. Overly defensive.

Now... I can attribute that to a few things that don't involve him being scum...

but generally, in my eyes, Defensive/Why me?(Though he hasn't thrown out that yet) = Scum most of the time.

FoS: JABOC

I hate it when people compare other people to their play.(Here comes some hypocrisy) Whenever I do it, I'm scum.

King Zora sounds like an Usurper to me.... Wants control of Hyrule to himself...

Also, I didn't vote JABOC earlier because I wanted to see if people jumped on that wagon. I felt it was moving to fast, and wanted to where it ended up before I climbed on it.

This speculation is teh lulz. Usurper=scum. King Zora couldn't possibly be scum lol. Also, let me summarize the other half of this post for you. "I didn't want to hop on a townie lynch unless the wagon couldn't carry itself without me."

And honestly, if NOTHING else, I'd like to see him lynched so he can stop being a VI...

Also, if he /IS/ telling the truth, and he's going to suicide double-vanilize... I'd rather not have that power in HIS hands. Don't trust him with it.

This post is actually protown. Only protown thing she's really said.

Just let me give you an example Chess.

If I were Princess Zora, and my role was a hider.

The flavor would be something like "You are always getting in trouble, and relying on others to save you, and carry you around."

Bad example, but you get what I mean...

"hey, scumbuddy(I don't think Nik's cop result is accurate, honestly. Chess is a GF/Nik is insane or something), here's some flavor that you could use in your claim"

A few things...

Nikanor has claimed N0 cop?

>.< a clear on chesskid. Interesting.

OH LORD A CUCKO.

I think Substrike might lose his voting power... >.<

Um... I'm gonna need to read again now. 30 pages, Jesus christ...

Thanks for not providing any content.

He's more than his role. He's a giant VI. And if he's town and is going to use his ability (if he doesn't then he's effectively a vanilla VI), he should use it early. Even if he hits two scum and turns them into goons, doing it right before the end isn't going to do us nearly as much good as doing it early. Plus, then he'd be posting until then and that would be terrible.

It's not that I disagree with this... I just don't know if using the lynch on him is our optimal choice here...

"Can't my buddy survive long enough to use his ability?"

ok so why do we believe Nik?
Why cant he and chess be scum together?

Why would Nik defend ChessKid like that? It's too dangerous for him to fake claim cop like that...

YOU KNOW TOO MUCH

Can anyone explain how a night zero cop work when we don't have a night zero, please =/.

... true statement...

Could be a day-cop? if that exists?

Maybe we should lynch Chess, to see...? If he flips scum, we have 2?

Lol. And yet you've accepted the claim up until now? Also, that last sentence is good again. "Hey, if we lynch my buddy, we can get rid of the town cop! Sounds gud2mi since he's a VI anyways."

OBJECTION!
Nayru is the guardian goddess of the Zora! Of the three sacred stones, she is represented by the Zora's Saphire (blue). She is an /aquatic/ goddess, because she is the guardian of the aquatic race!

To try and suggest other wise is foolish.

It tells me one of two things:

1.

You don't know anything about LoZ:OoT!

This statement cannot be true, condsidering all the races you listed for me.

2.

You are pushing Against Cupcake with false information, hoping that no one will notice!

Much more likely. There is so little evidence against Cupcake, and you are scrounging to get more. This isn't something a townie should be doing.

VOTE: Ythan

This vote is bad. You can't use one mistake to vote the most obvtown player in the game. I realize my othher head did it, but he's shotty. You know he just hops on the biggest viable wagon at first chance, regardless of his alignment.

It's because they are the guardians of those three sacred races to the land of Hyrule.

Doesn't mean that they actually possess any traits of that element.

But the fact is, they ARE aligned to those three things in the game. As previously stated, they are the guardian goddesses of those 3 races.

And God is the guardian of mankind. Doesn't mean he's a man.

Interesting though, that instead of looking into Cupcake's Iso you're looking into mine trying to discredit me by implying my opinion on someone's Iso is invalid because my own Iso shows lack of activity.

This. Lady Lambdadelta chooses to attack him while completely dropping the defense on Cupcake. Doesn't make sense.

I could see what LL is talking about when the elemnts are mentioned and the three goddesses being their protectors, but then, according to that, shouldn't everyone have an element?

Not everyone will have an element, because not all races in this game are part of the 3 sacred ones. Link would not have an element, nor would Princess Zelda. Nor would Ganondorf, Inigo, Malon, Talon, Impah, and of the Kakariko Village people.

There are races without elements because they don't figure into the big 3.

Lies. Link would be light, as would Zelda, Ingo, Malon, and Talon. Hylians=light. That's why the "light temple" is in Hyrule Town. And Kakariko would be fire, and Ganondorf would be spirit, until he transformed into Ganon, when he would probably be considered shadow.

And if this is true, I see nothing wrong with that part of Cupcake's claim.

Also, when Cupcake almost had a chicken jump her... a /BLUE FORCE FIELD/ appeared.

That blue force field is commonly known as Nayru's love. Check out the game (video game) if you don't believe me.

Yes, because dram and reck would totally confirm town via mod flavor.

Vanish in flashy blue particles...?

I'm fairly sure that's equal to a force field. Sorry I wasn't specific enough.

Thats a bit of a stretch to assume they are the same. I'm not saying they aren't, but you're a little too sure.

Though I do agree that I'm scummy in every way possible, no matter what my role is XD

Don't try to laugh off legitimate accusations. Scummy.

LLD needs to die. I'm willing to let Le Cup ride for the moment, although I am not totally convinced.

Unvote
Vote: LLD

lol, have you ever disagreed with Ythan on anything? It's clear to me you're his scum partner.

Scum List:
Ythan
BE

O HAI SCUM. I G2G NAO C U LATIR

Wonderful way to set up the pointing out of your own meta, except for a teensy tiny problem: the meta your pointed to is shotty's, not gandalf's, and as was already stated by gandalf himself:

also finally the two heads agree,

vote LL

Reason for the vote, if you please?

Don't expect one from shotty. I'm pretty sure he's just going along with whatever I tell him. >.> Let me get something up here.

Meta fail there.

4. Oi Gandalf this post is way terrible for the reasons outlined earlier. If you want to prove Chess' townieness we'd let him kill himself. If he's town it's more productive to do that rather then instant lynch the guy who can prove his alignment.

I don't think we should lose two power roles to get chess out of the game when we could just get rid of him. That said, I'm currently all for leaving him alive until MC.

I absolutely HATE when people give me crap about my softclaiming. IGNORE IT FOR CHRISSAKE.

There's a reason I'm doing it, find other reasons to lynch me, but softclaiming is a NULLTELL.
And..... I thought DTM was the one who made a case on me? Or was it Dekes?

No. Softclaims are too important to ignore. the fact you are trying to get us to ignore it says to me that you didn't fully think your "claim" through, and need time to either formulate a convincing fakeclaim or actually thought about it. Which you think I am leaning more towards? (Hint: It doesn't look good for you.)

And the rest of their posts have some part of what I have already mentioned that has made me suspicious of them in the first place.

[jmj3000]

The other three wagona in the morning.

[jmj3000]

4. Oi Gandalf this post is way terrible for the reasons outlined earlier. If you want to prove Chess' townieness we'd let him kill himself. If he's town it's more productive to do that rather then instant lynch the guy who can prove his alignment.

I don't think we should lose two power roles to get chess out of the game when we could just get rid of him. That said, I'm currently all for leaving him alive until MC.

I absolutely HATE when people give me crap about my softclaiming. IGNORE IT FOR CHRISSAKE.

There's a reason I'm doing it, find other reasons to lynch me, but softclaiming is a NULLTELL.
And..... I thought DTM was the one who made a case on me? Or was it Dekes?

No. Softclaims are too important to ignore. the fact you are trying to get us to ignore it says to me that you didn't fully think your "claim" through, and need time to either formulate a convincing fakeclaim or actually thought about it. Which you think I am leaning more towards? (Hint: It doesn't look good for you.)

Hey GIS, remember this? Yeah, your claim isn't convincing enough. Also, the timing screams of "It's almost deadline, lets claim something that sounds vaguely townie, but not leave enough time to discuss it." That, plus the not answering of my points satisfactorily, makes me confident you are scum. I want to give a few more people a chance to weigh in before the hammer is dropped though. If it hasn't dropped by 3 AM EDT, and there isn't anymore discussion, I will hammer as that is the next time I will be able to check.

[jmj3000]

4. Oi Gandalf this post is way terrible for the reasons outlined earlier. If you want to prove Chess' townieness we'd let him kill himself. If he's town it's more productive to do that rather then instant lynch the guy who can prove his alignment.

I don't think we should lose two power roles to get chess out of the game when we could just get rid of him. That said, I'm currently all for leaving him alive until MC.

I absolutely HATE when people give me crap about my softclaiming. IGNORE IT FOR CHRISSAKE.

There's a reason I'm doing it, find other reasons to lynch me, but softclaiming is a NULLTELL.
And..... I thought DTM was the one who made a case on me? Or was it Dekes?

No. Softclaims are too important to ignore. the fact you are trying to get us to ignore it says to me that you didn't fully think your "claim" through, and need time to either formulate a convincing fakeclaim or actually thought about it. Which you think I am leaning more towards? (Hint: It doesn't look good for you.)

Hey GIS, remember this? Yeah, your claim isn't convincing enough. Also, the timing screams of "It's almost deadline, lets claim something that sounds vaguely townie, but not leave enough time to discuss it." That, plus the not answering of my points satisfactorily, makes me confident you are scum. I want to give a few more people a chance to weigh in before the hammer is dropped though. If it hasn't dropped by 3 AM EDT, and there isn't anymore discussion, I will hammer as that is the next time I will be able to check.

Ok, so it's 5 AM and I just got home from that charity thing I have been doing, and it does not look like there has been anymore discussion on GIS. As such, I am showing that I am a man of my word.

vote: GIS

Now, to shower, get all this make-up off, and sleep. Goodnight all.

[jmj3000]

If I remember correctly, it was Ythan who mentioned bosses yesterday, and it was in response to zwet's claim.

[jmj3000]

Recieved the prod, re-reading and stuffs.

[jmj3000]

... Based on what zwet?

[jmj3000]

Chess, post your case on me. You are not going to get a lynch if you keep saying shit without backing it up. So case or STFU.

[jmj3000]

Chess, I still want to see your case against me. All I can see in your ISO is a bunch of one-liners, with the occasional wall post. You haven't backed up any of your accusations with a case, and in fact said you wouldn't because

I'd explain, but I'd just get buried under piles of attacks from anyone I just FoSed, along with other random people for OMGUSing everyone who is voting for me. This is not true at all. Some of the votes on me I read as town/can't read at all because posting in ALLCAPS NOCONTENT is not my specialty.

Seeing as how the game has slowed down, feel like explaining any of your reads good sir?

[jmj3000]

And you have yet to explain reads on anyone. You going to, or are you going to keep going "let's lynch this person" with no supporting evidence?

[jmj3000]

There is a difference dekes. chess hasn't contributed at all this game. His only "contribution" is his claim. This whole game, he has been pushing for different lynches, with nothing to back them up. When asked for cases, he either says any case he posts would be lost in the mess of posts from earlier, or "90 pages is too much" and "case might be coming later"

friggin 93 page game aafoaisdfjoaisdfjoasdfj might be a case coming later.

^The quote so I can't be accused of misrepping. When asked for a case again, he again says "case coming later, maybe". He has even admitted to skimming the game and not reading. So dekes, why are you siding with someone who is so anti-town?

[jmj3000]

If what I am thinking about shifts is correct, beefster could declare he is targetting LLD, but the shift would cause him to actually target someone else. Now, if he had targeted someone else, and the shift had caused him to target LLD, then I can see beefster dying. I think the mod uses the declared target to figure out where to start the count for the shift. I don't see if there was any shift et, we will wait for beefster to figure out if he hit a valid target.

[jmj3000]

Hey guys...if any of your friends wanna replace in for ZONEACE...let us know. We're having trouble finding a replacement and could really use some help.

Change your sig >.>

[jmj3000]

2. Exlion, considering that you claimed

day cop and you now have a frog that is acting like a snitch reads as super pro-town

. It confirms your day-action, therefore AWESOMESAUCE. Frog-snitch person is very pro-town because there would be no scum motivation to

make your actions confirmable publically

.

I missed where we got any explanation of the frog other than from Exilon himself.

Maybe whoever put the frog on him doesn't want to come out because they don't want to out themselves.

[jmj3000]

What I want to know is why exilon hasn't copped anyone. Does he not want to confirm himself?

[jmj3000]

Guess what? I'm blind. Guess what else? IDGAF about the shift, because it doesn't affect me due to me being blind. Discuss.

[jmj3000]

Oh, I know who my power is targeting, the shift just doesn't affect me.

[jmj3000]

Neither did I until I got my role PM. Take it up with the mods.

[jmj3000]

God damnit chess, read the damn thread and stop skimming it.

P-EDIT: What Ythan said.

[jmj3000]

He should still use it. We might be able to figure out the shift from that too. I have a feeling that the frog will not interfere with his results or anything, just tell us what they are, and maybe more.

[jmj3000]

To me, snitch means tell everything someone is doing, same as a younger sibling will "snitch" on you if you do something wrong and tell your parents everything you were doing.

[jmj3000]

It's better then beating around the bush, since it is taking forever to find out the shift.

[jmj3000]

Didn't I say the shift doesn't affect me since I am blind and immune to redirection? Yet no one mentions that possibility when speaking of the frog. Also, how do we get that the person responsible for the frog is anti-town?

[jmj3000]

I asked the mods, they said I was immune to the sift since it is a type of redirection.

[jmj3000]

I take responsibility for the frog, yes.

[jmj3000]

Chess, hypothetical or not, it was a question directed at you. You just going "not going to answer your question" is not good.

Also, vezok, actually read the thread and quit throwing out half baked comments that misconstrue all the facts in the game.

P-edit: Can we get a deadline extension?

[jmj3000]

I am just sad I didn't get to do anything more than the frog >.>

[jmj3000]

My one solace in this game is that my one action ended up helping town by catching you in the act DGB.

[jmj3000]

I got shafted by y'all lynching BE. Here is my question: moth, you had the frog at one point, correct? WHY DID YOU NOT KILL IT?

[jmj3000]

Ok, I was mistaken. Next question: how did vezok get the frog twice?

[jmj3000]

Because you ended up not doing anything. That frog said who you targeted, thats all apparently.