Reckamonic's Ocarina of Time Mafia..OVER! Was Hyrule saved?

[AKnottedRope]

Hi there. 100 pages is going to be a bitch to read. Can someone give me a summary of the most important events of this game, and a page number or two that I can go back and look at? I'd like to get to posting content as fast as I can, and not having to read useless parts of the game will help.

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Awesome, thanks. I'll read the last 20 or so pages in their entirety as well.

Ythan: that defeats the purpose of trying to cut down on how much I have to read.

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Progress:

Started reading page 60, currently on page 68

What the fuck is up with the contentless posting between LL and Chess and Fate and GIS and...

Seriously, wading through this hurts me.

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(just a note, these posts are for my sanity)

I'm calling page 72 the game's turning point, ie when stuff goes from useless to usefull. It's the page where the nik/cupcake/LL (I think that's who it is...) mason claim happens.

Beefster's vote here is scummy as hell. How has no one picked up on his random hop onto the leading wagon? I'll be reading him in the context of scum from now on.

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Beefster, Cupcake, Lambda and I are alignment-confirmed masons.

Well fuck me sideways, I need a new scum lead then.

PEdit: I see that now, bunny.

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bunny should be nikanor. I need sleep. Or caffeine

also what:

The Frog Croaketh: Exilon targeted Chronopie!

Significance of this, for those reading along at home?

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Nik: Oh. Well ok then. He's still confirmed-town, right?

Holy shit. We totally wrote that dialogue with the 'fuck me sideways' line before AKR posted.
o_o
eeeerie...

Wait... that's great.

Anywho, i'm off to bed. I'll continue my read (note to self: page 76) tomorrow.

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Still reading, on page 85. Has Ythan explained why he assumed all bosses were millers? If not, he's about to get my vote.

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Actually, looking back at stuff, here's what happened with the shift:
- [6. Kairyuu] used ROLLOUT on [13. Ythan]
- The ROLLOUT aimed at [13. Ythan] gets redirected -13 spaces to [0. Reckamonic]
- [7. Exilon] used INSPECT on [19. Lady Lambdadelta]
- The INSPECT aimed at [19. Lady Lambdadelta] gets redirected -13 spaces to [6. Kairyuu]

Kairyuu is a claimed Boss-miller. Yeeeeep.

Oh well. I still like my vote on mothrax.

Has this gotten any attention? It's from page 86 and seems like a good reason for a Beefster vote if you ask me.

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Should have read farther to see Beefster's claim. Not exactly sure if I buy it, but it's enough for him to be safe from my vote.

Beefster

can you explain why you announce your satisfaction with your BE vote as of this post?

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I have no interest in the shift. It was a mild note. The activation of the rolling attack came before BE's unvote and selfvote, meaning order of action would indicate that he'd be voteless, yet it clearly displays in the vote count that he has his vote.

Aside from that... I feel that jmj's argument against chess is valid regardless of my actual opinion of jmj. Chess has stated that he has a case but isn't actually providing one. Jmj and zwet = just a fluffposter in general. *shrug* I don't expect much.

To turn this around, why in the fifty six hells did you provide chess with a case that he can just simply sheeple? Seriously. You aren't even voting jmj. You are voting substrike. You have absolutely no reason to provide a case in chess' stead except to try and get chess a bye on the matter, as far as I can tell. You clearly aren't really pushing for a jmj lynch.

This bothers me. Why don't you want to figure out the shift, exactly?

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nameloc: still reading, I'll get back to you
LLD: a) Ok then. I still don't understand this theory. b) Yes, but after he thought he got investigated by Exilon (see the DTM post I quoted)
Ythan: I started my read on page 60, given that many people here have expressed that the first 60 pages are setup speculation and crap.

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Also if the cop got a null read on me, shouldn't we at least attack someone else with the lynch?

VOTE: Substrike

You're a claimed sage, so the cop would get no result on you regardless. There's no reason for us to switch votes off you in light of exilon's result. You're also being scummy as hell.

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Tell me what post you read that made you think I believed all bosses were millers. Shouldn't be hard for you since you seem to have just recently read it.

I quoted it a few posts ago and asked about it.

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You don't understand the theory because it involves some game knowledge, and a bit of creativity.

I never finished OoT... I sold my N64 before I had the chance. I regret that decision

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FUCKING FUCK

I'll go find it, I swore I quoted it and made a post about it.

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If I remember correctly, it was Ythan who mentioned bosses yesterday, and it was in response to zwet's claim.

It was jmj, not DTM.

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That and the discussion before it.

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That's included in the discussion before it. Jmj's post was shorter and included your name so I decided to quote that one.

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I never saw any qualification that you only thought the first three bosses were millers, and therefore thought DTM et. al brought up a good point pertaining to you having knowledge that you shouldn't have.

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No, LL, I don't. I misunderstood a point that others said in my re-read, that's about all I can say because that's about all there is to it.

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This reasoning makes absolutely no sense. Yeah, if I'm town, the cop would get no result on me. Thank you Cpt. Obvious.

No, he would get a result on you if you were a Boss. Since you're in the sage neighborhood, you probably aren't a boss, but you can still be scum. The fact that you used the cop no result to call yourself town indicates you are probably scum.

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Everybody on the Substrike wagon:

Please present a case as to why substrike should be lynched over [your next highest scumread here]. Aso provide reasons as to why your next highest scumread is your next highest scumread, just to be a bit more complete on the matter.

Expect a full case from me today. If I don't provide one, beat me with a whispy stick with thorns on it.

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Hey guys, couldn't get on at all yesterday, sorry!

I second (third? fourth?) the request for a claim from BE.

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DTM: has nik implied that he has knowledge of untrod's death? I don't remember that.

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On the contrary, It think it is. I think it's a foolish assumption to make that neither kills last night were made by a scum faction. Given that Nikanor is part of a mason team, I'm willing to assume he's town at the moment. Aikage, on the other hand, I'm not. He never actually posted his role PM, only took credit for the Fate kill.

Furthermore,

i am medigoron, im a hero and i think i killed fate last night,

thats what i was hopeing

There was a shift last night, correct? If that's the case, how did Aikage intend to hit Fate and actually succeed? He would have to have prior knowledge of the shift. I think we just found scum.

Unvote, Vote:Aikage

</inb4 you're being counterproductive for hopping off a major wagon>

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Hm, you're right. I still think there's scum here, though, but I don't know how.

PEdit: Yeah. I wish Nik could clarify some. That would really help right about now.

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I was talking about clarifying as pertaining to UT's death.

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Going back and reading my posts from yesterday, I remember I suspected beef a lot. Lemme go back and read him.

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Along comes bunny reeking of scum. Now I've got another person to read.

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Along comes bunny reeking of scum. Now I've got another person to read.

I should so stop trying to defend myself, seriously .-.

No, you should just stop defending yourself

poorly

.

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Oh and read DTM's posts today, those will give you a good summary of the main wagon yesterday. Also, good luck reading a 120 page game. Tip: skip everything before page 60. None of that really matters.

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Did anyone else forget zwet was in this game?

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Aikage:
1) I wasn't on the BE wagon, I was on the substrike wagon.
2) I voted you because you were/are scummy as hell.
3) Iso me and read my posts before you make accusations. You will clearly see where I showed suspicion of Beefster
4) If I'm "bussing" beefster, how is he not scum?
5) Claim now before I start another lynch crusade against you.
6) GDIAF

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/inb4 someone claims stupidly.

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... I'm confused.

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How do you assign the points?

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I think I liked it better when you were lurking.

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There are things that you are claiming about your role that we have no way to verify without you quoting your role PM. In this case, you claiming early is protown.

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PLUSHIE: "I will end you."

Uh huh...

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Um, that lacked a few things. Namely an explanation.

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The shotty side looked scummy, as always. Since that was all I had really seen at the time, I thought GIS was scum. Once I saw more of the gandalf side, I realized OH CRAP. This guy's probably innocent. Too bad deadline is just 2 days away.

Were you afraid that you were going to be lynched for it?

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DTM: You're assuming that me not voting beef means me not suspecting beef, which isn't true.

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Aikage, listen to me: Quote your role Pm. Please.

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He was voteless yesterday IIRC.

I want to see a response from aikage to the past few pages before I vote or not, this wagon stemmed as much from aikage's as it did from speculation. (see post 3100 for an example of this, I don't see where in aikage's posts he claims that he has rolebased info about someone or something.)

I do think he needs to claim, and I do think he's scummy, but I want to see what he has to say as well.

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To aikage: if your next post does not contain a nicely quoted role PM, I will be voting you.

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FFS I logged out twice trying to post.

Didn't see that, and I think that's grounds for a vote, for pressure if nothing else.

VOTE: Aikage

Still want a full quoting of your role PM, though.

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kso aikage is at L-1 if I counted correctly.

/inb4 quickhammer

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If you didn't suspect beef, why did you drop the case outlined in my post? If you were suspect with Beef and continue to be suspect with him: why do you agree with Beefster? .

I have a nagging suspicion about beefster, but I just can't PLACE it. It's frustrating. Also, can I not agree with him on some points but still think he's scum?

.Why are you pushing so hard on this Aikage case, and not doing anything to advance your Beefcase? I don't see how your actions corelate with your stances. When you work so hard on all these other cases like BE, etc and drop your Beefster case all of a sudden, this is suspicious. It's like a distancing ploy.

I was never pushing a BE lynch.

I've been pushing for an Aikage claim for a long effing time (and I fail to see how that's scummy). See above about my Beefster case.

Also this post reads like a scum admission. Like srzly, why would you be worried about quick hammers if you believe Aikage is scum?

BECAUSE I WANT A FUCKING CLAIM. Jesus Christ, that's legitimately more than half of my reasoning for voting him, so I don't want him lynched without seeing his (full, quoted PM) claim.

Voting him because he "cleared someone" is a kin to voting Nikanor when he "cleared Chess" because he wanted to stop the wagon. You can't do one thing and say another

Completely and utterly different circumstances. AFAICT, nik had little to no suspicion on him, and was playing a fairly town game (I wasn't in the game at this point, so take this as you will). Aikage has been attracting attention before his ambiguous "I may or may not be able to clear Ythan" post. I think this is scum-Aikage trying to take some heat off of himself without actually tying himself down to a claim, which is why I want him to quote his role PM.

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Working on gathering my thoughts re: DTM's last post and beefster, but just wanted to point out that Aikage is at L-1 again, and I want him alive so he can quote his role PM.

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You can't legitimately make any accusations regarding Dodongo/Ghoma/Barinade until Ghoma or Saria dies. What bothers me is Chrono's point about Ghoma unsealing Saria, while the others are attached to the adult bosses. I think that's a stronger hint that Saria is scum, not that Ghoma exists and is scum.

Sub's PM indicated that he had to kill an adult boss to unseal, and he was scum. In light of that, I don't see how your argument holds water. In fact, you're pinging my scumdar harder.

Unvote

The past 20 or so pages of this game deserve a good, long read. Beefster's ISO does as well. I've got to work on my Eagle Scout project, and I will be tied up with that until Saturday, so

Semi-V/LA

until then.

Aikage, don't take this as me not wanting you to quote your role PM, I still do.

Mod, can you give Aikage a prod if he's past due?

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Bunny, this post might be of interest to you.

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You are a Miller Reflexive Non-Verdant CPR Doctor. You have the following special abilities:

Passive Abilities:
Monstrosity - Despite your pledge to help the heroes of Hyrule defend their fair land from the certain evil at hand, people still have a hard time trusting you due to your previous allegiances. If you are checked by a cop, they will believe you are still evil.
Bioelectrogenesis - If you are targeted by an ability, you will automatically unleash an electric barrage upon your targeter (the ability still goes through). Unless that person is from a verdant race or was targeted by a kill during the same phase, he will die at the end of the phase.

This is zwet's claim. Interestingly, it contains no rolename, and is shorter than most of the role PM's we've gotten.

I'm Nabooru of the Gerudo. I'm a lone wolf thief. But don't get me wrong! Though we're both thieves, I'm completely different from Ganondorf.

Welcome to Ocarina of Time Mafia, Chronopie. You are Nabooru. You’re the leader of the Gerudos, but you certainly do not agree with the views taken by a certain evil Gerudo. You might be a thief, but you still have morals, dammit! Join up with the other heroes of Hyrule and take down the evil that threatens to destroy the land!

Race: Gerudo
Faction: Hero

You are the Sealed Spirit Sage. You have the following special abilities:

Passive Abilities:
Sacred Realm - While you are sealed in the sacred realm, you are able to communicate with the other sages. They are not alignment confirmed. You may still post and vote in the game thread as normal while you are sealed.
Sage of Spirit - In order to release your medallion and break your seal, Twinrova must die. You will gain your true abilities if this happens, though you will no longer be able to communicate in the sacred realm.

Active Abilities:
None

Please remember that you can use only one active ability per phase.

Win Condition (Hero): You win when all threats have been eliminated and the land of Hyrule is safe once again.

Please confirm via return PM.

Sacred Realm: Sacred Realm Neighbourhood QT goes here
The topic is here: http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 53&start=0

Compare zwet's claim to chronopies, and notice all the differences. Specifically

1) The length
2) The lack of role name*
3) No win condition
4) No race/faction

Zwet, can you account for these differences?

I think I might go for a zwet lynch depending on how this turns out.

*If anyone else has a role without a name, say so if it doesn't hurt the town.

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If that's the case, then I wonder why he didn't

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...ok I'm being stupid...

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One follows from the other, actually, as having a dead Aikage is rather counterproductive for getting a claim from him, now isn't it

/inb4 DTM "AIKAGE HAS ALREADY CLAIMED RAGERAGERAGE"

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YEY AIKAGE FULL CLAIMED THANK THE LORD JESUS!

Kso, I'm done with my eagle project, so I'll have more time on my hands now. I still need to re-read beefster, because that's likely where my vote will be going soon, but I want to be able to produce a case.

Aikage: Has Biggoron died? If not, why did you think you had a vote today? (or did you? am I remembering this wrong?)

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I'm just sitting here, herpin' and derpin' then.

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Because I just got more than 5 minutes to look at this game now? Chill.

I believe Aikage's claims, so leaning town atm (though annoying town).

Haven't had time to read BL well.

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Hey DTM, don't give yourself a hernia...

Beefster is obvscum, and his most recent post doesn't help his case at all.

He claims that knowing his role would explain his motives, yet he refuses to claim. It's not even close to the example you gave.

Except he's claimed, and his claim is believeable. At the moment, my read on Aikage is town.

VOTE: Beefster I want to see more of these from other players.

Beef:
Did you ever hit with your rolling attack yesterday, or did you always miss? I can't remember
Have you used your attack today? If so, on whom? If not, why?
Do you think there is still a shift?

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Fucking, that quote should be by beefster, not Aikage.

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Ewww....... this AKR joining in this thought wagon makes me very sullied. Why haven't you completed your reads on the players that I requested AKR? Do you see them as scum? Town? etc?

I'm middle of the road on BL atm, and I don't recall anyone else.

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Like I said, I've been busy as hell since the beginning of this game day. I'm only now starting to get my thoughts straight.

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Time? My original scum read was in passing and BL hasn't been very scummy since.

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Time between

Why hasn't Aikage claimed?

He should get lynched by now.

and [/quote="Vezok"]unvote
vote KOC

You are trying to get an easy lynch out of a VI.[/quote]
is 3 days. As it would turn out, YOUR argument is invalid, Beef.

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EBWOQ

Time between

Why hasn't Aikage claimed?

He should get lynched by now.

and

unvote
vote KOC

You are trying to get an easy lynch out of a VI.

is 3 days. As it would turn out, YOUR argument is invalid, Beef.

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I'm not saying KoC is right here, I think Aikage isn't the lynch for the day. I was just pointing out how flawed your point was, Beef.

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DTM

what else do you want from me on cases? I explained why I have nulls/scumreads on people. Also, DGB gave no case whatsoever when she joined the beef wagon, why does she get a free pass?

Ythan

The Beefster wagon is better than the aikage wagon. Join it.

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Also [/facepalm] at Aikage's most recent post.

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What leads to you thinking it's not town-town?

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VOTE: DGB
Better than no-lynch... And I don't think I have enough evidence on DTM. I really think DTM is scum. Something is... off... about her.

DGB isn't a viable lynch candidate. Stop being noncommittal scum.

Lady and AKR seem to be basically going with "I have a bad feeling about you/don't like your playstyle" (AKR) and "One of Bunny/KoC is scum, I'm going to jump to it being KoC because of FEELINGS" (Lady), and vezok... fuck, why is vezok voting my other than a straight-up wagon hop, exactly?

Um, I'm not voting you and have a leaning town read on you. This does not follow.

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KoC: the source of your confusion might be Albert b Rampage. ABR =/= AKR.

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I'm going to say this right now, as clearly as I can: the town is fucking itself over by leaving Aikage and Bunnylover around. They're either scum who are getting the Village Idiot pass, or Village Idiots. Whatever powers they may or may not have, they cannot be allowed to live to LyLo. They're going to fuck smart townies over by getting confused and turning the discussion into babysitting, or they're going to be led by scum into mislynch after mislynch.

That's why they're vig fodder, not lynch material.

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KoC, do you want Beefster dead?

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KoC, answer my question.

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I was going somewhere with that before I realized I mis-remembered something that happened 40 some odd pages back.

Still, I don't like how KoC is floundering a lot.

Also, have we had a Gohma claim?

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- Voting Aikage, defending self from bullshit accusations from ABR and Lady, fending off VI Bunnylover
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Floundering

Pick one.

Ok, I picked one. Now what?

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Just getting on before I went to bed and saw the thread was open. General thoughts to come back to (In other words, yes DTM, I will explain this. Keep your pants on)

Yay sage unseals!

Pretty much all of what LL said since this day started is :goodposting: and I agree with her analysis of Bunnylover. VOTE: Bunnylover

Beefster's vote on DTM is bad. He's fairly obvtown in my book.

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Beef's most recent post is terribad. Also, why haven't you used your attack today to try and figure out if the shift is still active? I'd volunteer to vote myself to try it.

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For clarification: beefster, why is vezok's vote opportunistic when no one else's was?

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If you are questioning other people, then why don't you question me? Don't answer me with a rhetorical response on how well you're doing elsewhere, and actually do something about it.

Didn't you say you were going to have some questions for me?

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Vote: AKR

There is a reason for this.

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Unvote

Beefster, I'm curious. Did anything happen to you?

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Reading through Ythan Iso post.
Incredible I found shit. The only scummy thing he has done has been his sudden disappearance during Day 3 which was due to finals (semester ending)
His play is consistence throughout each day.
If Ythan is scum, what will be his downfall is his Townish play early on to his lurkish play at the moment.
I am still suspicious of Ythan, even though my try at making a case on him failed, but at the moment he has shown he is town, and I even believed he breadcrumbed a few time.
Right now these are my reads:
Town: DTM, LLD, ChronoPie
Null: Beefster, Ythan (for now), AKR, Mothrax, Zwet, ABR,
Scum/Scummy: Le Cupcake (Their was one scum in one of the mason group, its not a long shot to say their can't be one in the other mason group. Also the fact that Cupcake just comes in, votes, doesn't explain anything, then leaves), Vezo (Pro Lurker is pro), DGB (Already stated why)

For the Null, I am leaning more on this:
Null Town: Beefster, ABR, Ythan
Null Scum: Zwet (Lurker), AKR and Mothrax (haven't seen a great amount of contribution)

DTM: I was going to explain my suspicion of bunny, but this post says more than anything I could. Just... yeah.

Bunny: diescumdie

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Pardon the triple post, but no one hammer yet. Beefster needs to answer my question to him first.

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But his answer will determine where I place my vote and suspicions.

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Bunny, cupcake is part of the mason group, and you're obvscum. Sit quietly in the corner until we have your noose tied for you.

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Bunny and beef.

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Did the mod Pm you and tell you anything happened to you?

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Did the mod Pm you and tell you anything happened to you?

Beefster, this needs an answer. Badly.

DTM: I need beefster to answer this before I do anything, so hold off for a sec.

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@AKR if you are implying what I think, it is possible your vote came too late(after the rolling attack)

Hm... Maybe.

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True, LLD. I also find it suspicious that she did not analyze the gray scum votes.

@AKR if you are implying what I think, it is possible your vote came too late(after the rolling attack)

That is exactly what happened. I posted the rolling attack inthread (and by PM) before AKR self-voted. From what I understand, the attack is resolved immediately.

Ok thank you, that explains my discrepancy. Carry on.

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There's more to it than that, but I'm not going to say much more. Anywho wasn't BL hammered by DTM anyway? Might as well tell us your role now.

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He was L-1 as of post 3657 (reckamonic's most recent vote count) and there wasn't an unvote between that and DTM hammering.

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Is it sad that I thought that gambit had a chance of working?

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V/LA until the 26th or 27th most likely

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If there's another shift, I'm gonna killabitch.

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On another note, how does an action immune player die from a night kill...?

Something's not quite right, here.

Theory: Chrono targeted a mason to try and become one himself, but targeted the PGO (that's LL, right?).

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DGB visited Beefster... and he died? I think for now that'll warrant a

Vote:DGB

What is this?

This is a placeholder vote, while I search for other leads.

Currently however, it`s staying there because DGB has not helped

herself

with how

she

is making conclusions.

FTFY

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Also DGB: there's a lot of things you didn't add up right with your wagon analysis, and DTM's name is crossed through without any explanation. So... yeah, not liking that much.

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DGB: aikage was orange scum, why do you have him as red?

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Not particularly, she's not my biggest scumread right now.

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Mothrax, but reasons later (and I have a good reason for not giving them yet).

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DGB: aikage was orange scum, why do you have him as red?

Ah, good question, I was going to spell it out, but I forgot.

If you look at the OP, Aikage isn't orange, Aikage is

DARK ORANGE

, while JaBoc and his lover are plain

ORANGE

.

They look the same to me on the screen, but it turns out, they are different.

So to make the distinction between "dark orange" and "orange" easier to see, I switched "dark orange" to "red."

Flavor-wise, it would make sense for them to be in the same faction.

Mothrax: were you suspicious of chrono?

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Also DGB: there's a lot of things you didn't add up right with your wagon analysis, and DTM's name is crossed through without any explanation. So... yeah, not liking that much.

Look. That's how *I* find scum. If you don't like the way I do it, make your own. I cannot imagine DTMaster being scum. And Ythan is town. So, I decide to eliminate them.

And things not adding correctly? There are a lot more than 50 points for zwet being purple than you tallied at the end, for instance.

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What do you forsee that telling us?

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DGB isn't scum, ABR needs to stop or die.

And Mothrax is probably one of the last poe scum, despite what DGB's analysis says.

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Got back from my grandmother's today, reading the last few pages and posting as I go along

Hell... AKR can back me up on this one.

I... can?

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Page 157: was going to save this for later, but since you are all under the impression that DGB is from the sage neighborhood...

I am impa. I unsealed to be a reflexive long winded roleblocker (I roleblock anyone who targets me for three phases [day night day or night day night]) DGB isn't from the sage neighborhood and Mothrax is. I am disturbed by mothrax's suspicion of chrono and I even after we unsealed and by his scant participation in our QT before we unsealed.

Mothrax: explain why you were suspicious of chrono and remain so of me.

I don't know what to make of DGB supposedly returning sage upon investigation.

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Zwet: explain your "omglawlhammerziet" hammer yesterday. Now.

DTM: where did your whole voracious suspicion of me go? I haven't heard anything from you directed at me today.

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The owl is not a sage. Anyone who thinks so, first of all doesn't know the game, which is acceptable, and secondly can't pay attention, which is not.

"You all think..." should read "cupcake thinks" but still.

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I was talking about in my post earlier. I wasn't clear.

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I was under the impression that there could have been two poe scum, but still.

I think my suspicion of you is fruitless for the time being.

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DTM, did you read my claim?

Also I don't want you to full claim, that's stupid.

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DTM: why did you suggest vezok be part of the bloc, especially when he has been helluh lurking and scummy?

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I don't want vezok in the bloc. Imho, he's a scummy choice.

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Thought she was scum, she reacted in a scummy fashion to LL's questions/attacks against her.

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The flip was based on how she reacted to LL's push against her early yesterday.

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:sigh:

There's a ton more discussion that needs to take place. A lot of questions need to be answered before there's a lynch.

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DTM, I can't understand your posts....

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I have no flavor knowledge whatsoever. Does a great fairy claim work with a poisoner ability?

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AKR can you quote your PM? I believe that AKR did try and soft claim a reflexive role based on his actions yesterday with Beef. What I can't find if AKR was being slow about it, or was he intentionally trying to appear that he self targetted.

Sure. I'm assuming you want my unsealed pm, correct?

The boy with the noble Zelda's Ocarina... As I expected, you have come. I am Impa, one of the Sheikah. I am Princess Zelda's caretaker, and I am also the Sage who guards the Shadow Temple. We Sheikah have served the royalty of Hyrule from generation to generation as attendants.

Welcome to Ocarina of Time Mafia,

EvilPacman Hinduragi

AKnottedRope

. You are

Impa

. You are

Impa

. You’ve vowed your life to protecting the Royal Family, and with all this evil creeping into the land as of late, it’s imperative you take up arms and help destroy it. Your training as a Sheikah is sure to come in handy at some point...especially now that Bongo Bongo is dead!

Race:

Shiekah

Faction:

Hero

You are a

Reflexive Preemptive Long Winded Roleblocker

. You have the following special abilities:

Passive Abilities:

Blinded by the Light

- In the event that you are targeted with any action, you will use a Deku nut to stun and blind the person (going by natural action resolution) who targeted you. That person will be roleblocked for three phases (day, night, day...or night, day, night).

Active Abilities:

None

Please remember that you can use only one active ability per phase.

Win Condition (Hero):

You win when all threats have been eliminated and the land of Hyrule is safe once again.

Please confirm via return PM.

The topic is here: http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 53&start=0

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[quote="LL"and that the Reflexive Roleblocker claim is bullshit.[/quote]
By all means, explain this.

He's so flippy floppy it makes me sick.

Also DGB: there's a lot of things you didn't add up right with your wagon analysis, and DTM's name is crossed through without any explanation. So... yeah, not liking that much.

AKR do you want DGB to claim immediately as I do?

Not particularly, she's not my biggest scumread right now.

DGB isn't scum, ABR needs to stop or die.

1st quote: I found discrepancies in her analysis I wanted her to correct. That doesn't mean I found her scummy for it.
3rd quote: supports stance I take in first quote
4th quote: This is me getting pissed off at your endless crusade against her.

AKR is scum.

Nikanor said to lynch him with his dying breath. We promised him AKR death.

Yeah, ok.

I'm comfortable with this.

Lynch DGB Shoot AKR OR Shoot DGB Lynch AKR.

Stop blindly sheeping ABR. Both of you.

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Welcome to Ocarina of Time Mafia,

Person

Even the PMs without crossed out names had the player's name in it...

VOTE: Mothrax

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EBWOP to fix tags...

AKR can you quote your PM? I believe that AKR did try and soft claim a reflexive role based on his actions yesterday with Beef. What I can't find if AKR was being slow about it, or was he intentionally trying to appear that he self targetted.

Sure. I'm assuming you want my unsealed pm, correct?

The boy with the noble Zelda's Ocarina... As I expected, you have come. I am Impa, one of the Sheikah. I am Princess Zelda's caretaker, and I am also the Sage who guards the Shadow Temple. We Sheikah have served the royalty of Hyrule from generation to generation as attendants.

Welcome to Ocarina of Time Mafia,

EvilPacman Hinduragi

AKnottedRope

. You are

Impa

. You are

Impa

. You’ve vowed your life to protecting the Royal Family, and with all this evil creeping into the land as of late, it’s imperative you take up arms and help destroy it. Your training as a Sheikah is sure to come in handy at some point...especially now that Bongo Bongo is dead!

Race:

Shiekah

Faction:

Hero

You are a

Reflexive Preemptive Long Winded Roleblocker

. You have the following special abilities:

Passive Abilities:

Blinded by the Light

- In the event that you are targeted with any action, you will use a Deku nut to stun and blind the person (going by natural action resolution) who targeted you. That person will be roleblocked for three phases (day, night, day...or night, day, night).

Active Abilities:

None

Please remember that you can use only one active ability per phase.

Win Condition (Hero):

You win when all threats have been eliminated and the land of Hyrule is safe once again.

Please confirm via return PM.

The topic is here: http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 53&start=0

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and that the Reflexive Roleblocker claim is bullshit.

By all means, explain this.

He's so flippy floppy it makes me sick.

Also DGB: there's a lot of things you didn't add up right with your wagon analysis, and DTM's name is crossed through without any explanation. So... yeah, not liking that much.

AKR do you want DGB to claim immediately as I do?

Not particularly, she's not my biggest scumread right now.

DGB isn't scum, ABR needs to stop or die.

1st quote: I found discrepancies in her analysis I wanted her to correct. That doesn't mean I found her scummy for it.
3rd quote: supports stance I take in first quote
4th quote: This is me getting pissed off at your endless crusade against her.

AKR is scum.

Nikanor said to lynch him with his dying breath. We promised him AKR death.

Yeah, ok.

I'm comfortable with this.

Lynch DGB Shoot AKR OR Shoot DGB Lynch AKR.

Stop blindly sheeping ABR. Both of you.

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Welcome to Ocarina of Time Mafia,

Person

Even the PMs without crossed out names had the player's name in it...

VOTE: Mothrax

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I do, apparently.

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Um, no. And now I'm holding less faith in finding errors in role PMs...

Remember, I unsealed as a sage and got an entirely new PM. I'm thinking Reck copied and pasted parts of my old PM into a new one with a different passive ability and sent it to me, but didn't proofread it.

And my other PM is in this thread already IIRC, but I'll post it again to be sure.

You're replacing Hinduragi.

The boy with the noble Zelda's Ocarina... As I expected, you have come. I am Impa, one of the Sheikah. I am Princess Zelda's caretaker, and I am also the Sage who guards the Shadow Temple. We Sheikah have served the royalty of Hyrule from generation to generation as attendants.

Welcome to Ocarina of Time Mafia,

EvilPacman Hinduragi

AKnottedRope

. You are

Impa

. You’ve vowed your life to protecting the Royal Family, and with all this evil creeping into the land as of late, it’s imperative you take up arms and help destroy it. Your training as a Sheikah is sure to come in handy at some point.

Race:

Shiekah

Faction:

Hero

You are the

Sealed Shadow Sage

. You have the following special abilities:

Passive Abilities:

Sacred Realm

- While you are sealed in the sacred realm, you are able to communicate with the other sages. They are not alignment confirmed. You may still post and vote in the game thread as normal while you are sealed.

Sage of Shadow

- In order to release your medallion and break your seal,

Bongo Bongo

must die. You will gain your true abilities if this happens, though you will no longer be able to communicate in the sacred realm.

Active Abilities:

None

Please remember that you can use only one active ability per phase.

Win Condition (Hero):

You win when all threats have been eliminated and the land of Hyrule is safe once again.

Please confirm via return PM.

Sacred Realm QT goes here
The topic is here: http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 53&start=0

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Oh, didn't see that mothrax. UNVOTE:

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tbqh, there's nothing in there that would help anyone. No one has said anything there in a couple of days (seeing as both me and chono unsealed yesterday). Everyone knows who all the sages are.

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OH really

Well we got our lying scum right up there in post #4105, because I definitely targeted you, and that's the result I got.

You got shifted from ythan to beefster last night, correct? cold the same thing have not have happened when you targeted vezok?

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And this makes DGB scum because...?

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God dammit! I had a ton of stuff written and deleted it -.-

AKR why did you want to roleblock Beefster again? Just to clarify.

I thought he was scum. His ability (removing potentially half the town's votes) didn't sound like one a town-aligned player would have. Also, I wasn't convinced that his ability was true, because he never ACTUALLY removed votes from a wagon. So, my intent was twofold: first, I wanted to see if beefster was actually telling the truth regarding his claim and second, I wanted to block an action that I saw as scummy (especially when he targeted you, as I had a townread on you at the time).

ords from AKR/Moth. I'm almost tempted to do a coin flip and pick one of those two.

Really? IIRC, Substrike's real role had no indication that it was unsealable or had anything to do with needing to have another player/faction die to gain power. Given that and Chrono's town flip, how does that not confirm me as town, or at least make me more likely than not? Didn't you yourself say that an Impa claim was insta town? What happened to that? Haven't you also been saying you need to "reread" me, or did that get tossed to the wayside?

I get this feeling that within the remaining 10 players, and the 2 confirmed town, of the 8 remaining, 5 are scum ( 3 Grey Scum in the form of Volvagia, Phantom Ganon and Morpheel + the two remaining purple Poe Scum).

If Mothrax is scum, then there can only be two more boss scum in the game seeing as all the boss scum in the game were presumably sage targets. Only two have not been killed (iirc).

As for the Boss scum remaining, I see there as being one grey scum in the Sage neighborhood

I doubt it, but I wouldn't count it out. I'd lean towards there being another poe scum in the neighborhood if anything (hence my suspicion of Mothrax) seeing as all of us had to target a boss scum to unseal. I just don't think that there would then be boss scum in the neighborhood.

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Also sorry for being MIA for the past few days, been unexpectedly busy.

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I'm still confused as to why my death would be a good thing.

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Is DGB at L-1?

I swear to god if you hammer....

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AKR is definitely NOT from the scumteam that targeted the frog and probably killed Beefster. This much is very clear

I'm not from any scumteam at all, actually.

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Don't hammer before DTM sends in his choice, hopefully AKR, to vig off at twlight.

And you have given no good reason for this.

And it won't work, just saying.

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I want VEZOK SHOT.

I wouldn't be bothered by a Vezok vig.

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but AKR is DEFINITIVELY 100% boss scum. He is the second scum infiltrator of the group, I guarantee it

Yet you still haven't given a good reason to justify this claim.

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FTR, I think the ones who aren't, and haven't been, talking much (ie zwet and vezok) are scum. In fact...

VOTE: zwet

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Pretty much.

That and Vezok has been acting pretty scummy when he has been talking.

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Actually, it is. This game is 170 some odd pages long, and zwet's ISO only contains 3 pages. I've only been in this game since page 100 or so and I have 6. That's chronic lurking that can't go ignored anymore. Furthermore, he hammered yesterday out of the blue and never got pressured for it. I'm also a bit taken aback by the fact that he claimed that his goal was to come into a game and randomly quickhammer, but yet today doesn't know that DGB is at L-1.

Zwet: What were your reasons for your bunny hammer? What was so different between bunny's wagon (that you obviously kept tabs on) and DGB's (where you didn't know she was one away from lynch)?

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The fact that I asked other, more pertinent questions seems to have slipped past you.

And you obviously did keep some tabs on the bunny wagon, seeing as you knew when bunny was at L-1 so you could omg lawl hammer, yet didn't know that DGB was in the same situation DESPITE us talking about it for a good two pages.

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So why didn't you do so today?

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BIG DADDY: "It has been almost a week since our last vote count..."
PLUSHIE: "Well, we've been kinda... busy..."
BIG DADDY: "I'll say! Wouldn't you agree, Brock?"
BROCK: "Uh... yeah... sure..."
PLUSHIE: "Tee hee."
BROCK: "You guys are such nerds."

ITT: Guys pt 2.5

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The mod said masons are alignment confirmed 70 or 80 pages ago.

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Join the club.

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... AKR is DEFINITIVELY 100% boss scum. He is the second scum infiltrator of the group, I guarantee it.

I still want more elaboration.

Mothrax and AKR are the two sages left, one of the two we are almost sure is scum. It has to be AKR.

Lol

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If you have a flavor question for the flavor experts to answer then ask it.

Why did Beefster die, why did the frog lie, when I targeted YOU?

We need DTMaster's most excellent Hermione Grainger brains.

Either you got redirected or you targeted Ythan. I don't think there's a flavor reason behind this.

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Erm, Ythan should be Beefster.

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Ythan, can you confirm DGB targeted you or do you know?

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That's a rather poor reason, ABR.

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b2) AKR is scum by POE

No

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1. AKR holllllld on you didn't believe Beefster's ability? Despite it being mod confirmed? Like... especially when my vote vanished from the face of the earth? Or when Kai removed it (I think on Zwet must verify it) on day 1?

2. I was reminded by Ythan that scum-sages could have an unlock ability. While you are sage confirmed, that's not alignment confirmed. I'd be willing to group you in the bloc for now, and if only the bloc remains then we look within it.

3. Um... assuming teams of 4 we can do a worst case scenario and assume both scum teams still have 2 members (boss has 3). I'm thinking you're calling Mothrax boss scum here though. Just to clarify for the numbers.

I do agree though, mirroring suggests boss scum with the sages. I think it'll be an information disadvantage if the boss scum didn't have a sage infiltrate in comparison to the poe faction in my opinion.

4. I dislike the whole.... did you read me? Did you read Ythan? Did you not read where Ythan softclaimed DGB's claim was true AND I mentioned this like 50 billion times.

1) My theory was that he had an ability that was able to target specific votes (he never used his rolling attack on a wagon with more than one vote IIRC)
2) Mk
3) I was calling Mothrax poe scum because I don't see the logic of having a sage target inside the neighborhood. Idk, it just doesn't seem right?
4) huh?

This proves AKR is scum.

What are you referring to here?

AKR is scum. There can't be so many untargetable people in this game.

But I'm not untargetable. There's a distinction you're missing between my role (reflexive roleblocker) and an untargetable role

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Oh and DTM: your vote hadn't gotten stolen at the point that I tried to block beefster's ability.

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Yes. But it works like that. It blocks everything for three phases.

They're different. That you can't see it is your problem.

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I'm an unsealed sage, my power is going to be stronger than average -.-

And it requires that I be targeted by something, so it's more of a weak PGO role.

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........... what

OH, something I noticed last night: the frog switched from DGB to vezok in the last votecount. Not sure what to make of that

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orite

Vote: DGB

and I was excited for a new day too.....

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I'll control the hammer. If anyone has words to say then they should say it. Plus the frog should keep on Vezok for obv reasons.

This implies that we have control of the frog. Are you implying such ability?

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Moar DGB votes.

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You should be too. This game hax.

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Hi guys.

unvote
vote DGB

Lets end this.

You're next.

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Mothrax for scum etc

Vote: Mothrax

DTM: your plan confuses me.

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Ythan would multikill ABR AKR (or Moth if he lives: But i'll assume I shoot Moth).

What part of reflexive roleblocker do you not understand?

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wut

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still don't see how that guarantees him the win regardless, seeing as I can't exactly be killed at night

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and isn't cupcake unkillable too?

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FFFF I knew I should have pushed for your lynch earlier.

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Well fuck, I thought town might pull this off.

If anyone cares, I lied about a few things in my roleclaim. My ability only worked if someone targeted me with a non-killing ability and only worked on one ability per phase (ie if two people targeted me, only one would get roleblocked). My idea was to try and become an "unkillable" confirmed town but it didn't exactly work...


Also /pre-in for WoW mafia if it's going to be anything like this. This was fun.

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I refuse to help you spam this thread.

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Endgame was WTFRAGE. I'm considering a loss but with an asterisk

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Should have read CONSIDERING IT A LOSS

Vote:Fate

Misrepping scumbag.

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No it's

Daykill AKR

:3

HAHA REFLEXIVE ROLEBL..... wait