Reckamonic's Ocarina of Time Mafia..OVER! Was Hyrule saved?

[Kairyuu]

First of all, you're all evil people for posting 7 pages while I was spending 12 hours doing one Physics assignment (Schrodinger's equation is cool, yes, but takes WAY too much time to work with).

Second of all, since I'm not sleeping tonight, I should have a post up before classes.

[Kairyuu]

/sigh

I passed out while reading and then had classes until now. Still exhausted, so no guarantees, but I'll try to get a post up soon-ish.

[Kairyuu]

Finishing a page and seeing a new one posted when my last post was near the top of the previous does not a happy Kairyuu make. Just saying.

Preview edit: Nor does being ninja-ed 3 times while trying to post.

[Kairyuu]

Does anyone know the current votecount on chesskid? I'd prefer not to hit Night before I've finished reading up.

[Kairyuu]

I'm back, and I'm fully rested for the moment, so expect a post ASAP.

[Kairyuu]

Alright. To start, zwet's miller claim is likely legit. Speaking of which, I am also a miller. Take that as you will.

Le Cupcake's call for a vig on likely-town is noted.

Albert's first post seems . . . strange. I don't know what to make of it. Sure, he's always confident, but that resonates in my gut.

VOTE: Substrike22

This is not random.

^^Needs to be explained.^^

Following two posts are BLATANT contradictions of first. I fully expect an opening wagon on this guy. If I do not see one I will be very confused.

Oh hey, Cupcake is Katsuki, and pointed out said contradiction. Town points.

chesskid is town. Mildly irritating, but town.

1. Calling your vote non-random does virtually nothing. It will be requested that you explain said vote, or it will be ignored. I have LITERALLY NEVER seen a response to the request for an explanation that was NOT "I wanted to get reactions." For this reason, it is pointless, and does nothing to further the so-called purpose.

2. People DO NOT have to SPECIFICALLY word their question as a question in order for it to be BLATANTLY OBVIOUS that they are requesting an explanation. Refusing to answer does nothing but create MORE of a stir around you, which, as mentioned above, has NO purpose.

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Moving on.

zwet is obv-town. His claim is also very likely legit. This is the way he is, and he's so easy to read that it's insane.

I agree with Mafuyu. The wagon exploded too quickly and went too far for my tastes. Off-Center is far too up-front about his anti-town play (note: anti-town, not scummy) to warrent a serious wagon, which is what this is fast becoming). Two things can be gathered from this. If Off-Center IS scum, Mafuyu is more likely to be a buddy (the reverse is not true). Also, The wagon at this point (post 99) likely has at least 1-2 scum on it. More, if there are multiple factions. I will be looking into that when I'm done with this post.

Lady L's response to Mafuyu looks like an unnecessary justification. I don't like it.

Substrike's first post looks TERRIBAD. We have a vote for chesskid coupled IMMEDIATELY with a suggestion of him being a Jester based on ZERO evidence of the EXISTANCE of Jesters in this game. This is followed by an agreement with mothrax on a point that was already demonstrated as completely worthless. My vote may rest here if nothing better comes up.

@DTM (referencing post 125): You sir, are awesome. Just saying. I disagree with some of your points, specifically regarding zwet, but that's fairly irrelevant at this time, so I will leave it at that.

chesskid is fairly obvious VI-town right now. I get the hate, but not the suspicion. Substrike still looks fairly terrible.

Zazie's vote needs to be explained.

chesskid's post sounds sincere, and some of it is even well-reasoned. I can see a chesskid wagon starting to form (and remember him being at around L-2 yesterday). I oppose this wagon.

I will repeat this again. chesskid is OBVIOUSLY TOWN. STOP VOTING HIM.

Softclaim is newb-tell.

GandalfIzSik (henceforth GIS) bringing up N0 cop is stupid, but I don't know if it's scummy.

Currently at top of page 10. Posting this and then continuing read.

vote: Substrike

[Kairyuu]

BUNNYLOVER'S IS WORSE.

unvote
vote: Bunnylover

Lady L's role speculation is ALSO scummy. Geez people, you're making placing my vote difficult.

Interesting notes from votecount at 316. The mods apparently have a vote though "fluffy," and one of Kairyuu, Blooderection, Mafuyu, and Aikage are voteless. I am not voteless, so that leaves those three.

unvote
vote: Lady Lambdadelta

Lady L is so scummy it's hilarious. I find myself waiting for her next post just to see what else I can laugh at and get closer to a vote with.

Also, note that Lady L

knew

the exact title of chesskid's race without being told. This means that either she is of the same race, or she has a buddy/buddies who are.

She also knows WAY too much about what races WILL be in the game, according to her. When she is debating with Ythan it looks like he's speculating, but on most things she seems far too certain. This implies that she has buddies.

Wow. I haven't seen a legitimate, cut-and-dry case of pulling the newbie card in so long I had almost forgotten that it used to be common. Lady L get's MORE scum points for that.

Albert is probably town. I know this because I disagree with him. Seems like the only way we can agree when we're both town is when he follows me, which has happened exactly once. Every other game we've been at each others' throats. Go figure.

YAY! BLOODERECTION IS OBV-TOWN. GO GO BC/CATER. Also I fully agree on a Lady L lynch. This needs to happen.

Posting this from the top of page 20.

Preview edit:
@Ythan: See what, exactly? To elaborate, the first miller claim of a game is USUALLY town. Any claims after that, depending on the number, could be anything. In a game with a large number of millers, the third to claim is generally scum. In a game with few (I've seen no claims other than mine and zwet's, so I'm calling this one a low-miller game) then anything after the first is null to mildly scummy. I'm alright with that, since I subscribe to the "if miller, claim early" policy.

[Kairyuu]

FUCK YES ROLE PM QUOTING. HERE, HAVE A MILLER CLAIM:

Passive Abilities:

Monstrosity

- Despite your pledge to help the heroes of Hyrule defend their fair land from the certain evil at hand, people still have a hard time trusting you due to your previous allegiances. If you are checked by a cop, they will believe you are still evil.

Win Condition (Hero):

You win when all threats have been eliminated and the land of Hyrule is safe once again.

Posting from top of 21 due to excitement at role PM quoting being legal.

Preview Edit:
@Cupcake: I have played in a fairly large number of games with zwet, and I've read him wrong MAYBE once. He can affirm that statement. I don't know

how

I can read him like a book, and neither does he, but I can, and it's cool.

[Kairyuu]

Note that there is missing info between my passive and my win con . . . obviously.

[Kairyuu]

@SubStrike: For the record, when someone brings up the possibility of a Jester, even if they're wrong, the person who is suggested as the possible jester IMMEDIATELY becomes more difficult to lynch. Even if they don't say it, a majority of the players allow for the possibility of that person being a Jester, and therefore are less likely to vote them. If they ARE a Jester, it's pretty much irrelevant because both Reck and dram are MORE than competant as mods, and competant mods don't have game ending Jesters in non-open games. In addition

In addition to that, for the rest of the game, anyone who is being glaringly scummy gets the same psychological write-off, especially if the first suggested 'Jester' candidate dies and flips non-Jester.

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So apparently Cupcake is ability-confirmed Bulletproof. I want to see that particular passive quoted in thread. Seeing the flavor behind it will assist in determining alignment.

I'm noticing that it's actually the earliest pages that I get the most out of. Much of the content between 21 and 30 was bickering and arguing either way on whether or not to lynch chesskid, which is a topic I've already commented heavily on.

Posting this from the top of page 30, and finishing up catch-up in next post. Still in favor or a Lady L lynch.

Preview edit: And why would I wait to post important information regarding my role?

[Kairyuu]

Chrono isa high-priority death target. He and Lady L are currently topping my list.

DTM is still awesome and town. Of course, this is unfortunate, since DTM has a tendency to lack any form of logical progression or reading comprehension when town, so I find myself disagreeing more and more with what he says, but he's still town (sorry DTM ).

Ythan continuing to push for the lynch of a cop-confirmed inno is disconcerting.

Oh, right. Bunnylover is in this game, and scummy as fuck. He needs to die as well.

GIS is REEEEEEACHING to try to revive the Chesskid wagon after it's finally died. Probably scum.

Another votecount note. Whoever was voteless for the entirety of the game previous to this has regained their vote in the VC at post 801, along with Substrike's (predictable) loss of his. I suspect that someone among the three previous candidates for voteless started with the cuckoo,and was able to pass it off to someone. This may have been time-restricted, or may have been an ability usable at any time. More research must be done on this.

@Ythan: However, zwet is obv-town, and from what I gathered, has been mentioned very little. Also, only a small portion of the mentions have included suspicion. I saw no real reason not to post what I felt was important info. Plus, people could theoretically make a "case" that I'm "lurking" like I did as scum in Alphabet for not posting content for 48 hours . . .

Also, Reck was a first time mod, and if I remember correctly that was a Marathon game. The first bit doesn't really excuse it due to the fact that a mini theme (the first time you can reasonably expect to be able to include a Jester if you wanted to) with a game-ending Jester would probably piss people off pretty bad if it goes off past D1, and probably even then. However, a Marathon game is generally designed in minutes, and takes a few hours maximum to play through. I wouldn't honestly be overly irritated if I ran into one in one of them, even in lylo.

[Kairyuu]

And with that, I'm all caught up. I'll be doing the extra analysis that I promised sometime after classes and DnD tomorrow (today) due to the fact that this seems to have taken almost 4 hours and I have my first class in another 5. Expect me back sometime after 10pm EST. Also, if I see another large page jump I'm going to be pissed.

@Ythan: Now that I think about it, why do the miller claims all have to have the same flavor behind them? I could very well see something like a Gerudo miller in addition to what I am. Sure, it would be fairly symmetrical thematically, and would mean that the miller ability could be copy-pasted, but it's not necessarily the case.

[Kairyuu]

To clarify: YOUR THEORY would be fairly symmetrical . . .

[Kairyuu]

Oh. Right. I never gave the full list I was planning on giving:

Scum:
GIS
Chrono
Lady L
Substrike
Bunnylover

Town:
DTM
Nikanor
Kairyuu
Off-Center
Blooderection
zwet
Mafuyu

Dunno:
Everyone else

And now I'm actually going to go pass out.

[Kairyuu]

Your FACE would be fairly symmetrical.
Anyway you forgot to put chess and Cupcake on your town list. Put them on there and take off BE and you have my town list.

Why are you so fast to call ABR town, Kai? Are you confusing him with someone else? I can't see where you drew any conclusions about ABR's opinions (other than his terrible suspicion of chesskid) from his posts.

I did, in fact, forget about chesskid. Cupcake is far from obviously town. Until I see a quote of his BP passive I'd actually lean more toward scum than town, but I've no real reason for that.

Albert was an early gut-town read. He's not on my final town list due to the fact that he hasn't done much of anything since his first few posts. I'm null on him at this point.

So he claims. We have no way of knowing, other than his word, that the cuccos were a kill attempt. The cuccos just made substrike voteless.

Hence my call for him to quote the ability. If he can't, then he lied, and we lynch him.

So disconcerting that you think I'm pushing for the lynch still.

I'm aware that you are no longer pushing for the lynch. That comment was in reference to post 763, where you say this:

No. We've been over pretty thoroughly why he is not living to night. You seem to have missed it.

When Nikanor claimed his innocent in post 718.

I don't like that you felt the urge to back up the first half of this with the second half. What you did would not excuse you from lurking accusations.

I was merely pointing out that zwet is under about as much suspicion as I could theoretically be if people were stupid. It's not a justification of any sort. I posted that quote from my role PM because it pertained to what I had claimed, and therefore was important information to share. I don't honestly care what order you would have preferred he and I posted in, because I know I'm town, and zwet is obv-town, so to me it's irrelevant.

Are you making a point here? To speed things along I'll assume you're saying there may be a game-ending jester because otherwise I don't know what the point would be. If not then just ignore this. Reck has said, more than once, that he wouldn't use one again.

Nope, no point really being made. I was simply excusing the previous game-ending Jester situation from Reck because it wasn't a bit deal. Putting one in now would be a big deal, and Reck has come a long way as a mod since the example in question.

[quote="Ythan]Because. And I'm only giving you that much because you asked and I don't want you bugging me about ignoring you.[/quote]

I was merely curious as to where your theory came from. There was no accusation in there. Your response is interesting though. Why would I bug you about ignoring something that clearly wasn't an expression of suspicion?

@Kairyuu: Why do you believe I am scum?

Numbers in this response will refer to your iso-post numbers.

2. Voting chesskid for being anti-town, which does not necessarily imply being scummy. No explanation given other than to rehash chesskid's actions.

7. Implying that you have now moved to desiring a chesskid lynch REGARDLESS OF ALIGNMENT. This screams scum worried about being hit by the ability.

8. A plausible alternative resulting in the scenerio you claim to WANT (chesskid being dead) happening, in ADDITION to the fact that town gets an extra lynch comparing to the lynch-chesskid option is proposed, and you voice disapproval. This implies that you care more about getting chesskid lynched than you do about removing him in the most pro-town way possible.

2 and 11 contain a direct contradiction. When the Jester idea is proposed you agree with it as a plausible scenerio, but once it becomes a source of suspicion you attempt to distance yourself from it by claiming to be "confused" about it directly to the proposer's face.

18. You blatantly disregard the fact that chesskid is now a COP CONFIRMED INNOCENT and ask why he isn't still under heavy pressure. This reads as "why are you guys shifting off of my easy mislynch, he's not even dead yet."

That pretty much sums it up.

Why is zwet obv-town? He's pretty damn suspicious to me, and I don't see what he's posted that would give you a town read.

Call it meta or gut I suppose, but zwet reads like a book to me. I can't put my finger on exactly what it is that makes it so, but he's town.

Also, Chrono votes, while nice, are inferior to Lady L votes.

@Aikage: You're going to need to be a LOT clearer. I have absolutely no idea what you were trying to say other than you don't like your role.

@GIS: I'll go with option 5. He's cop confirmed town and isn't going anywhere unless either he decides to suicide or someone decides to kill him.

[Kairyuu]

@mod: There are 8 total not voting. Perhaps Zoneface was voting Lady L, and is no longer?

Did you miss the part where this has been an issue since early on? I mentioned it twice in my catchup posts. It's possible that the current situation actually narrows it down further. I may check on that at some point, but not now. No time now.

Clarification from mod obtained. I love it when my scumreads all group together. Sorry Nikanor, but the day aspect of your role should make this irrelevant to you.

No lynching one of my strongest town reads.

ROLLING ATTACK: YTHAN'S WAGON

[Kairyuu]

We can all feel free to lynch Lady L now.

[Kairyuu]

Shitshitshitshitshitshitshit.

There's a shift. There's a FUCKING SHIFT.

Preview edit: WHY DO I HAVE TO SUBMIT 5 FUCKING TIMES TO GET A POST THROUGH!?

[Kairyuu]

I got a PM that told me I couldn't target a wagon with no votes on it, which means that there's some sort of shift. I then got a second message that said that the first message was wrong. So it appears I've hit a wagon that I didn't want to.

[Kairyuu]

I'm pretty sure Ythan knows who I am at this point. Lady L is again grasping at straws, and is again failing to notice my partial PM quote.

[Kairyuu]

Oh, and if I was a day multi-vig I would be the coolest role ever. Unfortunately, I am not. Though my role is pretty damn cool.

[Kairyuu]

Interesting. Maybe there ISN'T a shift. I'm very confused right now.

[Kairyuu]

All we can do at this point is wait for a mod scene.

I could be down for a Cupcake lynch, but I'm still not fully sold there, whereas Lady L has been my prime suspect since early in my catch up.

[Kairyuu]

Wait. Nik, does your role info still clear Chess, even knowing there's a shift?

Chess being cleared is completely irrelevant to today's lynch. If it is determined that there is a shift then he is still prob-town, and if people REALLY don't think he's town, he can STILL suicide tonight. Lynching him is utterly pointless.

[Kairyuu]

Wait. Nik, does your role info still clear Chess, even knowing there's a shift?

Chess being cleared is completely irrelevant to today's lynch. If it is determined that there is a shift then he is still prob-town, and if people REALLY don't think he's town, he can STILL suicide tonight. Lynching him is utterly pointless.

True, but if there WAS a shift.... that means he's not cleared, and someone else is that we don't know of.

Point taken.

@Ythan: Is there a reason to believe Nikanor was lying?

@Exilon: A miscalculation implies that there was a calculation in the first place. Hence, the assumption of a shift.

[Kairyuu]

Any response yet from the mods?

Not since the miscalculation PM.

[Kairyuu]

@Ythan: Can you explain to me briefly why Le Cupcake is scum? I haven't actually had the chance to read anything after like page 40 yet. I just saw a wagon forming on you and jumped in to stop it.

Preview edit: I see that as Nikanor being silly, which doesn't necessitate being scum. Unless you think he'd lie about cop results as town?

[Kairyuu]

Alright. The action has been confirmed, and will be present in the next votecount.

@Mod: Votecount please?

[Kairyuu]

I'm curious to know whether or not the people hit by the ability are actually told. If not it would have probably been best if I didn't make it public I was using my ability.

@Ythan: Nothing was directly said about a shift. All I was told was that my action submission was valid and that it would be shown in the next votecount. I assume that it has taken effect already.

@BC/cater (I prefer this to your full name, so this is how I'll address you from now on): I'll have to have a look at that.

Meanwhile, I think that Le Cupcake and/or Lady L should probably go ahead and post their role PMs now. The likelyhood of both wagons being on scum is not 100%, and full role PM quotes would assist in determining which we should lynch. Any objections?

[Kairyuu]

For shits and giggles I just did a google search for my role name, and near the top of the very first result was the quote that my role PM starts with, so I'd say that point against Cupcake is null.

[Kairyuu]

For shits and giggles I just did a google search for my role name, and near the top of the very first result was the quote that my role PM starts with, so I'd say that point against Cupcake is null.

Was the format, character for character, identical?

100% identical. Punctuation, italics, word order, everything.

@Lady L: I and others have told you to stop fishing. I will NOT tell you who I am, so stop guessing.

[Kairyuu]

Kairyuu, would it be too much to ask for you to tell us if there is an analogous descriptor in your role PM? Just a yes or no. I believe this will help.

Analogous to Aquatic? Yes, there is.

[Kairyuu]

/sigh

I think I took zwet's vote away.

Also, I think I figured out Aikage's issue with his role. He's the voteless one.

According to Lady L, my modifier should be Dark. It is not.

[Kairyuu]

It means that there is a shift. Magnitude 13, direction up, or magnitude 16, direction down. It ALSO means that our mods are on the playerlist as player 0 (a Tarhalindur concept I personally employ). I know this because my ability targets the person being wagoned (in this case Ythan), so in order to remove zwet's vote, it would have to be shifted to Reckamonic.

[Kairyuu]

Also, this means that JALBOC is confirmed by Nikanor's investigation, not chesskid. We're still not lynching chesskid though.

[Kairyuu]

Now that I think about it, there MAY not be a shift. It is fairly unlikely, though possible, that there is a Day-busdriver that switched Reckamonic and Ythan. I'm ruling out the possibility of a Day-redirector due to the fact that I wouldn't have been asked to choose a different target originally (before my action was deemed legitimate) if I wouldn't be able to choose a target that wouldn't redirect me into an invalid target, as I was originally told my choice was.

[Kairyuu]

Bastard mod lightening rod.

Impossible. We've got a confirmed ability target hitting Cupcake and one hitting Substrike.

Preview edit: What BC/cater said.

[Kairyuu]

Other day abilities have not been submitted in thread. Is Kai confirmed?

I'm pretty sure I'm partial-ability confirmed due to zwet losing his vote (my ability does other things too, but I see no need to claim them), but I'm not alignment confirmed.

[Kairyuu]

I suppose that such is possible. However, given the result, only the following is possible if I lied about my target:

I targetted Reckamonic, in order to remove zwet's vote. This is utterly pointless and advances no win condition as far as I know.

I lied about how I target and direct-targetted zwet. This is even WORSE, because it's as good as a suicide for no gain.

[Kairyuu]

Also, I am not REQUIRED to submit in-thread, but I can if I so choose. I like working out in the open, so I do that whenever possible, like here.

[Kairyuu]

So apparently I have about 10 pages to read. Hopefully there will be a pretty damn good reason in those pages as to why the Lady L wagon is gone. Expect a post up late-ish tonight.