The Return to Liten (Game Over)

[Twomz]

Yo, really heavy flavor and I like it .

Let's do this.

[Twomz]

vote: LynchMePls

Do we want to go by flavor names or just regular usernames?

[Twomz]

With his name he should expect it.

Only one person has commented on Screen Name vs Flavor Name (I'd be fine with either)... slow weekend?

[Twomz]

unvote, vote: Feysal

WIFOM on setup and being wishywashy about throwing a random vote down.

Welcome to Mafiascum .

[Twomz]

Sometimes I forget how hard it is to convey tone on the internet.

/shrug.

[Twomz]

Let's see how much more Dana flails with another vote. I love how the flailing started after one vote.

VOTE: dana for great justice



oh, and uh...MWAHAHA and such

Not entirely true... it was 3 votes back to back, not 'one vote'. I'd say you're trying to skew it to make dana look more scummy, but if you had bothered to scroll up the page you would have seen the votes... so it'd probably be more lazy townie than anything else.

IGMEOY.

[Twomz]

Hmmm... so it appears it was my scope that was restricted. Might have to do a quick reread to figure out what's going on with the wagon.

[Twomz]

So it seems that no one really has realized that I voted Data and not Dana. People are funny, MoI is paying way less attention then he normally does. Dana is not scummy.

Data is scummy enough for me to leave my vote on him. His vote on MoI there isnt that great.

I think I just realized that's why no one's making sense to me lol.

[Twomz]

At least you have a sense of humour.

AND NOW ON TO WATCH INGLORIOUS BASTERDS

bai.

I approve of this product and/or service.

[Twomz]

So, on the topic of being suspicious of one player and voting another... yeah, it sounds pretty scummy, especially when there's no explanation given for the discrepancy.

unvote, vote: data

L-2 (should be).

[Twomz]

Yeah, but claimed Vigs tend to sort themselves out, especially in a game this size.

This^^

unvote

[Twomz]

Is it good or bad that when my gut told me I should think about moving my vote to Square Obscure, other players started piling votes on him? I'll actually toss a vote down later today after I can double check votes and reread a bit.

[Twomz]

Sorry MoI, I have a hard time getting into games day 1. Most of my thought process on scum hunting comes from voting analysis and night actions. Don't worry, if I notice something glaring, I'll point it out .

@ Dana: There aren't that many people on the Bowser wagon... do people really think just saying that the person might be lynched soon will make it happen?

[Twomz]

It seems like the new 'in' thing to do is if you get attacked day 1, just replace out! Not like it's part of the game or anything. I'll admit it could be that on day 1 people tend to attack lurkers or people who aren't putting as much effort in, and those are the people who are most likely to be replaced anyway... but it's still silly.

Halloween party this weekend, I should still be on though... but if I post something tomorrow after midnight you might want to ignore it, I may be drunk out of my mind. Probably not, but maybe.

[Twomz]

*Narrows eyes*

I'm actually thinking BP GF or a RBer who plans on targeting ThAd tonight.

Anyone else agree with me? I don't want to put him at L-1 if I'm the only one who doubts the claim.

[Twomz]

This post used to be Twomz's before SK invaded it.

*Just a double post that I can't delete because MS won't let me.)

[Twomz]

vote: Square Obscure

L-1

I'm willing to back up my opinions in this matter, I think he's scum regardless of claim. We should also get some info tomorrow from the wagon.

I agree with the vig claiming flavor beforehand... but let him kill a random scummy target tonight, no point in giving the mafia extra info.

[Twomz]

Stand by while the rigged ballots are introduced into the vote count.

[Twomz]

Hmmm, so who was saying not to lynch Tripod? Gotta look back through posts...

And bah, two medics? I'm assuming the laser rifle was ThAd?

[Twomz]

@ThAd: Yes, we want to hear your reasons.

So the case against Feysal is pretty much that he fencesat all day 1, commented that Bowser was 'odder' than SO but neither was scummy (ISO 7) and never laid down a vote on anyone?

[Twomz]

Seriously I laughed at Admiral come on LMP.

So the case against Feysal is pretty much that he fencesat all day 1, commented that Bowser was 'odder' than SO but neither was scummy (ISO 7)

and never laid down a vote on anyone?

and never laid down a vote on anyone?

and never laid down a vote on anyone?

and never laid down a vote on anyone?

You're up there on the short list.

I looked over him again to be sure, but yes, he never laid down a vote. It almost looks like you don't think that's suspicious.

[Twomz]

I prefer to hear why others are voting to make sure I agree with the reasons behind the wagon (I tend to skim a lot so I miss obvious things sometimes). That said I'm in no rush to finish the day and will be content to wait until Feysal claims before tossing my vote down, but unless he's speedlynched I will be tossing my vote down somewhere.

[Twomz]

Furry, you will either be a god among men or the refuse we crush beneath our boots.

Only time (and SaintKerrigan) will tell.

[Twomz]

vote: Feysal

just in case Furry was joking .

BTW, thanks for claiming scum before SK came back to confirm if that was actually a lynch or not.

[Twomz]

I'm feeling a perfect game with no mislynches ^^

Slaxx dies tomorrow for jinxing it... wait.

[Twomz]

[Twomz]

Unless the scumtell is people not being suspicious of you then i don't know what you're talking about (my meta tends to be the scummier people think I am the more likely I am to be town).

[Twomz]

Nero would be on the short list.
Twomz as well.
Thor would be acceptable.

I'd give APC a pass for the moment.

How about SpyreX and APC on the 'short list'?

See, I can make no sense as well.

[Twomz]

Woo! Lynching well, hmm, who next?

[Twomz]

Day 1
(10)

Square Obscure

: AlmasterGM, LynchMePlz,

Untrod Tripod

, Slaxx,

ThAdmiral

, MagnaofIllusion, HackerHuck, Twomz, Cogito Ergo Sum,

Nikanor

(3)

Untrod Tripod

:

danakillsu

,

Square Obscure

, Thor665
(2) Nero Cain: Furry,

SpyreX

(1)

danakillsu

: apathyplusCUPCAKES
(1) MagnaofIllusion: Nero Cain

Not Voting:

Feysal

Day 2
(8)

Feysal

:

SpryeX

, Furry, HackerHuck, Cogito Ergo Sum, apathyplusCUPCAKES, Slaxx, MagnaofIllusion, Twomz

Not Voting:

ThAdmiral

, AlmasterGM, LynchMePls,

Untrod Tripod

, Thor665,

Feysal

, Nero Cain


1) People on SO who weren't on Feysal: AlmasterGM, LynchMePls, ThAd. ThAd is confirmed as either Vig or SK, so he couldn't be scum buddies with either and at least in my opinion, the way that Almaster and LMP started up the SO wagon doesn't appear like bussing to me. Almaster needs to pick up the pace with posting, but I doubt any of these three are mafia.

2) People on Feysal who weren't on SO: Apathy and Furry. Furry's actions don't really seem too scummy, and Apathy's vote isn't too scummy either (only real contribution so far is pointing at MoI's vote hoping Day 1... but it was Day 1 so meh to that) although like Almaster, they need to pick up the posting some.

3) People on both lynches: Slaxx, HackerHuck, MoI, me and CES. Double bussing is unlikely, but I'll go ahead and say I've done it before (then again, I've bussed all my scummates back to back in a game before so meh). For the most part I won't be looking at the others on this list as possible scum suspects for now.

4) People on neither lynches: Thor and Nero Cain. Most of Thor's posts make sense and he admitted to the Tripod 'counterwagon' to SO, this is either him just having a bad gut as town or being crafty scum. NC appears to be either a VI or newb scum, so either we lynch him today or we force ThAd to kill him tonight (if he's scum, the mafia has lost it's mafia doc so the kill should go through, if he's not scum we don't waste a lynch on a VI, win/win!).

I'd be willing to vote Apathy, Thor or NC at this point, for reasons stated above. I think I will

vote: Thor

for now, I think his lynch would net us the most info and him attempting to deflect SO's wagon makes more sense than other options as well (at least to me).

[Twomz]

@ MoI

1) I don't get your "Testing the waters" thing. I tend to speak my mind, if I think "My gut tells me SO is scum, wow a lot of others seem to be saying that, I wonder if that's a good thing?" there's a good chance I'll write something like that in a post.

2) I'm extremely prolynch and extremely antiquickhammer. It's actually a null tell on me, I'll be on a almost every lynch of a game, but the whole time be saying 'we're at L-X guys, we still have time today, don't hammer without waiting for more conversation'.

3) Every wagon will have info on it, some more than others. But sometimes the info can only be drawn out on later days. Just cause nothings been definitively shown (I have referred to both lynches) doesn't mean nothing will be shown later.

4) The two medics dying in the same night elicited a comment from me /shrug. I understand the logic behind the 'tell', but I've never noticed it being any more accurate than say, lurkers are scum.

5) So, wanting to hear others cases to make sure there's no 'That guy's obvscum, lynch him!' without backup is going on is a bad thing? Reading other peoples cases helps me cement my own reads and helps me spot faulty logic.

[Twomz]

I respond to cases against me... I don't see it as being overly defensive though .

@ MoI: I've never actually been told before that I was playing too cautiously, I tend to just spew what I'm thinking and it usually just makes me look scummy (if anything, I look less scummy as scum cause I filter my posts more than I do as town).

I'm aware that I need to pick up scum hunting in this game. I thought I'd be able to find something concrete in the two scum lynches, but as I said earlier... I don't really see anything that yells scum at me. I put my vote on the person I thought had the best chance of being scum, but there's a very good chance I'll end up throwing my vote on whoever has the most votes if we get close to a lynch or a deadline.

[Twomz]

Furry, what about CES's votes makes him scum to you?

Dammit Thor, you're giving me mixed gut reads.

Because I see no point in withholding... I'm a VT. ThAd should hit NC tonight, regardless. As in y'all should lynch him tomorrow if he doesn't. The next lynches/kills after that I'm not sure on, but keep an eye on Thor (damn you!) and imo tomorrow everyone should post who they think is scum and see if there's some kinda consensus. Killing scum this early is good and bad at the same time, we don't have as much content to sift through to find their buddies, but the town is ahead (hopefully).

[Twomz]

which I'm somewhat familiar with if I'm not

confusing him with Tamuz.

On another note, after I claimed I was kinda expecting some flavor claim calls, like there were for SO. Are we thinking that withholding info about VTs will make it harder for scum to claim later or does no one care about it?

@ MoI: I think CES thinks I'm town BECAUSE of my play, not DESPITE my play.

[Twomz]

Personally I probably would have hit NC, then on Night 2 I would have random.orged it (list of all players I thought weren't town). Either that or lurkers /shrug.

[Twomz]

random.org'ed it!? Are you trolling?

No, and I can relate why to The Wheel of Time. Some people are Rand, they have strong gut reads and are 'Mary Sues' so things tend to go their way. Some people are Perrin, calm and calculating but can be easily angered, thinks things out, plans. Some people are Mat, they goof off and tend to go with the flow, but are extremely lucky.

I am a Mat. I hate being VT cause if I get a night action, usually I can do something with it. I hit scum as cop/vig, I nail the kill target with doc (this one is unverified because I always get lynched Day 1 as doc (the day after the doc dies if I'm a nurse)), don't ask me how I do it, a lot of the time I actually do random.org it. Works for me for whatever reason /shrug.

[Twomz]

I'm thinking MoI and Thor are town now, based on their responses to the wagon on me (MoI's way of pushing it and Thor's reactions to it).

unvote

HH's reaction to the wagon is fencesitty, and I'm not sure how scummy right now (time will tell).

What surprises me is the lack of followup to the wagon. Either the scum are sitting on someone they think is a better mislynch (I've claimed VT, they are maybe hoping to get another PR), they're lurking (not a lot of talking, so this might be the most likely) or they didn't think they could get enough support for the lynch to go through anyway.

vote: HackerHuck

, I think the best bet at snagging scum today is to go after one of the people sitting on a wagon that had support (even if not from votes). NC had a lot of flak earlier today, although many people seem to be saying he's likely a VI. I think that could make scum want to sit on the beginning of the wagon so that if it picks back up closer to deadline they'll be in a position to say that they were on it the whole time to try to defuse blame on a mislynch.

Of course if NC is scum, then it's unlikely his scumbuddies would sit on his wagon and wait for it to pick back up without trying to push another wagon (Yet another reason for ThAd to hit NC tonight).

And are y'all really gonna try to base a wagon on me on the fact that I have used random.org to determine nightactions in games before and don't care if I tell people that? I've used it as scum and as town (not as 3rd party though, I don't think I've ever been 3rd party /shrug) and even if you say it's bad play style, how is that relevant if I'm a VT?

I don't mind if y'all call me overdefensive or a fensesitter or w/e. Those could appear true to some people, and why should I judge how others perceive my posts? I'm willing to debate the scumminess of those actions and I'm also willing to accept if you decide I'm scum based on them. Lynching, or even wagoning me because of the random.org comment is just as stupid as lynching me cause I happen to live an hour away from Mith (unless he's moved from Tyler or I'm thinking of someone else).

[Twomz]

EBWOP:

VLA for Thanksgiving

although I should have some internet access before I get home on Sunday.

[Twomz]

Without looking at PM, I remember it had something to do with being called by God to go fight.

Looking at PM, my name is Wesley Hudson, I'm a SOB Combat Operative and I had a vision where God personally told me to go kick spawn of Satan (Arkon) ass. I was really surprised after the flavor text that I was a VT... but I'm sure that's on purpose.

Any other flavor questions for me?

[Twomz]

I agree that Apathy has been useless, but I don't see the scum reads others are finding. I would be willing to throw down a vote on Apathy to cull a useless player if the deadline approaches to narrow the field (I will not vote for myself, but I will vote for the next largest wagon), I'd rather not waste the lynch but I don't have a better alternative.

I can't think of a relevant reason to postpone the end of the day... does anyone have any questions for me or apathy?

@ MoI: It's not that I think that's the only reason, I've talked about the others as well, it's that you've been most vocal about it. We could sit here all day and yell back and forth "random is ok!" "no it's not!" and it still won't have anything to do with the game.

[Twomz]

Just a reminder that i'm currently L-3, APC is L-4 and we have a deadline coming on Wednesday.

[Twomz]

MoI, Almaster and LynchMe are most likely all town, but one of them could be scum (I doubt more than one could be). They might want to watch out or they'll tunnel the game into the ground though.

Thor and Furry look

too

town from my perspective. I noted my reasons for Thor earlier and it seems as if Furry could just have a very protown meta.

I'll probably never have a strong opinion on CES one way or the other.

NC is probably a VI or newbie scum.

APC is probably just a lurker, but I can see the case on them as scum.

Slaxx and HH are probably the most likely to be scum out of the remaining players.

ThAd is a SK, if he doesn't hit a good target (lurker or town approved likely scum) tonight, I'd say he's the best lynch for tomorrow. If he shapes up and hits scum, I'd say wait a bit, but still lynch him before LyLo if it gets there.


For today, the lack of movement on any wagon for a while is most likely due to scum being A) Lurkers (promotes APC/NC scum) B) Waiting for deadline to hop on the mislynch so they have 'no choice but to get on the largest wagon' and/or C) Already on it (unlikely that more than one scum are on my wagon, but could be possible).

Town being apathetic could also be an explanation. I know it's hard to sit at a computer after you ate way too much a whole four days ago, but there should be more activity this close to deadline.

[Twomz]

Hello camn, welcome to the game.

@ SK: Since a player replaced in are we getting an extension on the deadline?

I'm a little leery about doing that since I already extended the deadline once this game-day, but I'll think about it and give a final answer on the subject this afternoon.

@ camn: A quick run through would be that we lynched scum day 1 and day 2 and we know who the SK is (ThAd) but are leaving him alive cause some people think he might be a vig (he's still shooting poorly). The likely lynches for today are myself and APC. APC is being attacked for lurking and some scummy posts and the case against me has been outlined by MoI (I think LynchMe might have posted a case as well, or maybe he just agreed, I don't remember).

[Twomz]

HEY TWOMZ

!
What is your 'Game Role' and your 'Flavor Role'?

'Game Role': SOB Operative
'Flavor Role': Combat Operative

Covered in a previous post, guess I didn't detail it out enough.

Without looking at PM, I remember it had something to do with being called by God to go fight.

Looking at PM, my name is Wesley Hudson, I'm a

SOB Combat Operative

and I had a vision where God personally told me to go kick spawn of Satan (Arkon) ass. I was really surprised after the flavor text that I was a VT... but I'm sure that's on purpose.

Any other flavor questions for me?

Would you mind giving any reasons for calling people scum/town? Or is it all 'gut'?

[Twomz]

Can't wait to see the dead thread so I can find out who the other scum are . Y'all really need to pick up posting, I know the start of the game was good, but don't let this mislynch slow down the game anymore >.<

I accept my fate SK, do with me what you must.

[Twomz]

FYI, when I am scum I won't claim it, even if I just got lynched in LyLo or something.

[Twomz]

I'm not dead yet?