Zachtown in the mountains (Game over TOWN WINS!)

[Nikanor]

I helped Zach with the numbers for this game (and by helped I mean I linked him to this spreadsheet), and apparently it's about 50/50 if we lynch every day, with a slight lean towards scum.

(Keep in mind that I may establish rules pertaining to the scum's ability to night talk privately with the scum team. The town will not be informed as to these requirements.)

Apparently Zach is taking away mafia's night talk to make up for that.

Hey Locke, who do you think will win this game, town or mafia?

Vote: jasonT.

[Nikanor]

What made you come to that conclusion based on that quoted statement? I would think scum have day talk.

It says night talk, and the only modifier to the usual unlimited night talk that I can think of is limited night talk. Where are you getting day talk from?

On the Double Day page, Cell F16, it shows 39.04% winning pct. That is the exact number I got if we use all our lynches (39/61). Nik this is far from 50/50...

I guess I should have double-checked the numbers myself, but I could have sworn I told Zach exactly how many people to use.

Very anti-town behavior here. If you have nothing to hide, you would supply this information willingly.

"You would" means you think he has something to hide. You stated earlier that you thought Benmage was town. This is scummy.

This is random. Nikanor, why are you only asking Locke this? And what do you expect to learn about his alignment from his answer?

Locke and I *used to* have a perfect win record when we were on the same team (which I believe has happened every game so far). Basically, I asked him his alignment.

The jasonwagonofone needs more love. This is just terrible, and this combined with jason's attacks on IAI makes jason obvscum. More votes over here please.

One last question. Elmo, would you consider yourself a gut player?

[Nikanor]

Is it a coincidence that you're already voting him or not?

No, I'm a day cop. jasonT is mafia.

[Nikanor]

I'm serious, Nikanor. Your original vote could easily be mistaken for an RVS vote.

My first vote was random. Now it is serious business. Why does it matter?
And no I am not seriously claiming day cop.

Does nobody love me? I am so very lonely here on my wagon of one. I wish I had someone to hold me in their arms and tell me that everything is going to be alright.
I could also hop on the RedCoyote wagon. The lack of votes on him is weird considering the number of people who find him suspicious.

[Nikanor]

you say your vote aint random and its down to business... with a fake cop claim? if its serious... present your case and defend your lies, scum!

I did present my case. Do you even realize that it's a vanilla game?
How am I scummier than Elmo?

[Nikanor]

You really aint made much of a case though, you have mentioned me really mostly in passing

What.

The way Elmo said it.. it sounded like he already knew allignment with the pretty obiviously mistaken if they think they are scum comment.

So Elmo is scummy because you think he called Benmage and IAI obviously town, but now that he has corrected his meaning, you don't find that scummy any more. So really, you're only voting Elmo for buddying up to IAI, another person who you find scummy.

I stand by my post in 98.. I feel they are valid points.

my 'attacks' on IAI as you say I feel are valid, he spent more time leading direction away from sdcum hunting and towards facts and figures etc. I feel that is anti-town as taking away from scum hunting only helps scum.

The point I was trying to make is that you're attacking Elmo for buddying someone who you've stated is scummy. That doesn't make any sense from a town perspective, because not only is buddying a weak tell, but it shouldn't take precedence over the things you've said about IAI.

Elmo, do you think that jason is scummy?

We should probably try to lynch somebody within the next six days if we're to leave ourselves enough time to fully discuss our second lynch. That's not a lot of time. I'd really like a jason lynch, so hop to it.

[Nikanor]

Still think Oso is scum
Jasont seems shady as all get out

But who is scummier, and why?

I'd say yes if I hadn't played mafia with Nik before. I would have mentioned it (with or without a vote, probably without) but in this case, with the interaction between Nik, David and Jason. I say this instead.

But I actually was a cop in yabbaguy's game. >_>

Yes, I do think jason stands a decent chance of being town because that whole thing regarding him and the Nikanor claim just strikes me as too bizzare to be anything but genuine.

Only I'm allowed to WIFOM myself into finding town, because I'm the only one who does it right.
That he voted me and called me a liar is null, because that would have had to have been his reaction as either alignment. I'm still voting for him based upon his earlier play.

he would know my proper role and not that I am mafia.

I'm surprised that Team SS (Semantic Scumhunters) hasn't pointed this out yet.

Yea, i can fully understand your point of view.

This doesn't look like he's talking to someone who he thinks is scum.

[Nikanor]

His next post represents his vote on Jason as serious all along. Building a case but not actually asking Jason any questions. Doesn't look like real scum hunting, more taking advantage of a players scummish play style. He makes no elaboration on why Jason is “obv scum” and like I commented earlier, seemed to be piggy backing on Elmo's pressure.

I said why jason was scummy. If you wanted me to elaborate more, I did. I've been telling the rest of you why jason is scummy this whole fucking day, and none of you are even commenting on the points that I've been making.
As for the piggybacking, could it be that Elmo and I think alike? You know, like maybe in a game of thirteen townies and three mafiosi that two townies agree that one person is likely to be a mafioso.

This. Jason's stumbling is now providing some justification, but I fail to understand how jason's reaction is scummy, rather than just a reaction from someone who is busy and didn't read the setup. Just like Benmage who didn't know about the instaflips.

My vote has never been about jason's reaction. I said that in my last post. This just goes to show how much attention you are paying to what I am saying.
Why do you think that jason is town?

I have been thinknig this overnight.. If Nik was seriously down to business like he says he was... why would he have to fake claim a daycop to try and justify keeping his vote on me which was random at the start but now 'serious' business.

I had already given my reasons for why I think you're scum when I claimed day cop. Nice try, though.

jason isn't even trying to look town any more. Percy, why do you think jason is town?

[Nikanor]

jason, who do you think is scum, and why aren't you trying to get him lynched?

[Nikanor]

Yes you were. I was referring to the off the wall stuff. It was your offering to help lynch JacobSavage's suspect if he helped with yours first that was the turning point to exposing Jacob as the Serial Killer. The only thing in that game that was more bizarre than your making that offer was him accepting it.

Man, that was a fun game.
Sotty, stop ignoring me. I posted right before you did, so don't tell me you didn't see it.

[Nikanor]

This fucking game.

Don't worry Nik I'm not ignoring you I'm just not believing your explanations. Your vote on Jason is easy and pretty weak considering the situation and I don't feel inclined to move my vote off you because of it.

My vote on jason has never been easy or weak. I've been pushing this bloody wagon uphill all the way. I've been pointing out everything that points to jasonscum since his first serious post of the day. My vote is not weak.
Since I really want a lynch to happen before Halloween, I'll do a re-read tomorrow and possibly change my vote. It doesn't look like a majority of people want to lynch jason today.

And yeah I'm not going anywhere else with the daycop thing.

[Nikanor]

It's easy and weak in my eyes because I have played a bunch of games with Jason. This is how he fails as a townie, he acts before he thinks. As scum he is much more calm and controlled. I don't agree anything he has done today is obv scum at all.

My vote is easy and weak because the meta you have after playing with jason offsite for years points to jason being town. Craplogick more.

IAI you realize that Nikanor brought that subject up right?

Sotty you realise that he's taking objection to your answer and not the subject itself, right? Deflect more.

I'm going to start my reread after dinner.

[Nikanor]

Bluh, lost a post (not that it was particularly spectacular anyway, but bluh all the same).

Anyway, I'm done my reread. Oso, Locke, Mina, IAI and Elmo are probably town. The RC wagon is meh, as I don't really find him suspicious. As far as I can tell the whole wagon is just based on gut and meta.
I still think that jason is scum, but Sotty's defense of jason is making me uneasy. I find Sotty scummy for her crappy reasoning for her vote on me and the fact that she hasn't moved her vote to a bigger wagon yet, despite saying that she wants a lynch within the next couple of days.

[Nikanor]

Sorry for the absence, but my usual posting times (midnight to three) have been absorbed by sleeping for the new job.

Anyway skimming, jason's 416 looks legit.

Vote: Baby Spice.

Her opening post is just terrible. I can dissect it later, probably Saturday.

[Nikanor]

Hi guys, I'm sorry for waiting so long to do this, but I have to replace out. I just don't have the time to read through all of these walls that you're posting. I thought I could make it work, but I can't.

Anyway, my final thoughts:
Sotty and Baby Spice are scum. Lynch one of those two today.
Locke, Elmo and Mina are town. Don't lynch them ever.
I think that RC is probably town, and I get gut town vibes from Percy.
I am kind of iffy on jason, but his reaction to the Dry-Fit lynch did look pretty legit.

Bye everyone, and I hope that we can play together again when I'm not so damned busy.

[Nikanor]

I really didn't peg scum-Nik on replacing out, but I didn't think was Nik townly...it hurt.

Well I couldn't keep up with SOME PEOPLE and their walls of text, so I really didn't have a choice. >_> Not that I wasn't having fun, but you know how it goes.