Zachtown in the mountains (Game over TOWN WINS!)

[jasonT1981]

Hi everyone, some faces I know. good to see you all

[jasonT1981]

vote: Sotty...

Who is with me on this?

[jasonT1981]

vote sotty

even lol

[jasonT1981]

ohhh opposite day, cant argue with that one

unvote
vote: I am Innocent

[jasonT1981]

It is, coming from a 7 year old... All 7 year olds must know when it is opposite day. It can't be disputed.

[jasonT1981]

Everyone knows there ain't worse scum than UK Sex Offenders...

vote jasonT1981

OMGUS!!!!!

hehe.

[jasonT1981]

I don't think IAI's numbers are IIoA, because he clearly states after giving us the information that he doesn't like the plan. Additionally, he isn't saying that Benmage is scummy for suggesting it, he's just crunching the numbers for the town's benefit. Benmage getting defensive looks significantly worse than anything else here.

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IAM, if Benmage's plan was scummy, why aren't you voting him?

Vote: Sotty7

I agree with Percy's vote here. I'm thinking we have a similar problem with Sotty's comment. I don't recall IAI ever saying pointedly that Benmage's plan is scummy, yet she presumes that and gives him a question from that presumption.

Vote: Sotty7

I actually see no problem with Sottys post and feel it is a legit question to be asking...the question was asked of IAMINNOCENT who HAD said the plan was scummy

I already nix'd that plan. But thanks for the IIoA....looks like the 7 year old was right.

Information Instead of Analysis? I analyzed the one thing worth analyzing so far. Your initial scummy plan. Yeah you nixed it, after you were called on it. I just took the call on it and completely blew it up in your face.

Any other scummy plans you think we should incorporate?

IAM had indicated the plan by Benmage was scummy, Sotty rightly questioned himn over why he wasnt voting if he thought the plan was scummy. I would have done the same

[jasonT1981]

you know, this stat talk is really getting away from the actual objective of finding and lynching scum. I would suspect scum would be happy to drag discussion away from scum hunting in anyway possible maybe even perhaps lead the discussion away.....

[jasonT1981]

right now I believe I am Innocent could be scum... I'm happy with my vote on him.

he is pushing figures which distract from scum hunting

refusing to vote something he finds scummy because it is only 2nd page

pushing a false load on you to try and discredit you (Sotty)

his post 72 doesnt add up.. he calls you smart but in the same post says your logic doesnt add up.

He has posted at least 4 times out of ten posts and most seem almost gloating that the odds favor scum... almost like a scum hidden gloat post after hitting a cop or doc in the night

Sotty, can you expalin your last bit of your post please for those of us not in the know of Red?

The Red thing is probably null... But is

is

Red so I dunno. I'm kinda waiting to see what he does next before deciding.

you Italic seems to suggest you are familar with his playstyle.. I have never played with him so am curious to know what you mean.

[jasonT1981]

He has posted at least 4 times out of ten posts and most seem almost gloating that the odds favor scum... almost like a scum hidden gloat post after hitting a cop or doc in the night

Correction

He has posted about Stats at least 4 times out of ten posts and most seem almost gloating that the odds favor scum... almost like a scum hidden gloat post after hitting a cop or doc in the night

[jasonT1981]

This is why I hate this situation; the degree of yelling at each other and just plain not listening means that pretty soon,

people will get the idea that exactly one of Benmage or IAI must be scum into their heads. They're both pretty obviously mistaken

, and right now I think they're both town.

this is why we can't have nice things kids

you seem very sure they are town and only making mistakes... any reason? So what if people begin to think they are scum? if they tink their play is scummy its justified.

the bolded makes me VERY warey... its almost like you know something.

[jasonT1981]

you know Sotty, maybe we should try something different

unvote
vote:Elmo

Hes been very quick to defend people who look scummy, seems to know something we don't add to that his post in #81.. it looks like he is seriously buddying IAI

[jasonT1981]

Is it a coincidence that you're already voting him or not?

No, I'm a day cop. jasonT is mafia.

is this serious?

unvote
vote: Nik

flat out lie. He is not a day cop.. If he was, he would know my proper role and not that I am mafia.

[jasonT1981]

ok, i see above he is lying.... Im happy with my vote. A claim like that could have outted a real cop.

you say your vote aint random and its down to business... with a fake cop claim? if its serious... present your case and defend your lies, scum!

[jasonT1981]

Well, he admitted to lying... thats what I meant by I see he is lying. Refer to my first post on the matter with my vote.

[jasonT1981]

Well, he admitted to lying... thats what I meant by I see he is lying.

That's a pretty weird way of putting it. Why did you say that instead of "he even admits to lying" or something?

I thought it was implied. It made sense to me.

[jasonT1981]

OK lets break it down....
You really aint made much of a case though, you have mentioned me really mostly in passing

The jasonwagonofone needs more love. This is just terrible, and this combined with jason's attacks on IAI makes jason obvscum. More votes over here please.


The way Elmo said it.. it sounded like he already knew allignment with the pretty obiviously mistaken if they think they are scum comment.

I stand by my post in 98.. I feel they are valid points.

my 'attacks' on IAI as you say I feel are valid, he spent more time leading direction away from sdcum hunting and towards facts and figures etc. I feel that is anti-town as taking away from scum hunting only helps scum.

Is it a coincidence that you're already voting him or not?

No, I'm a day cop. jasonT is mafia.

We know this is a lie anyway...

you say your vote aint random and its down to business... with a fake cop claim? if its serious... present your case and defend your lies, scum!

I did present my case. Do you even realize that it's a vanilla game?
How am I scummier than Elmo?

I realize that now, I am in a few games atm as well as modding and it didnt registered at the time of post that it was all vanilla setup with 3 goons, my vote was based on your rolecop claim, claiming me as scum.. at the time I thought you were being serious and I had not realized it was all vanilla. I knew you were wrong with your claim that I am scum and voted you thinking it was a flat out scum lie. I actually thought you were seriously claiming rolecop with a guilty on me and knew (at the time) you were lying about it)

my vote was based on that, realizing the game is all vanilla... I will go back to my previous vote

unvote
vote:Elmo

[jasonT1981]

Zach, can you fix my top quote please? some of my text got jumbled into the quote by accident

[jasonT1981]

ok, i see above he is lying.... Im happy with my vote.

To me, this still looks a lot like you've just learned he's lying.
If you were town, you'd already know full well he's lying and have no particular reason to reference that.
If you were scum, this would be the earliest you could know he was lying, and it makes sense to think something exactly like that - okay, now I see he's lying. Phew!

Do you see what I'm saying?

Yea, i can fully understand your point of view. see my above post though were I did say he was lying.. my post in question was more of a followup saying 'ok i see he is lying' about his claim. I knew he was lying, but at the time a few seemed to be questioning it. I gues like me they didnt take into account the vanilla setup

[jasonT1981]

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my vote was based on your rolecop claim, claiming me as scum.. at the time I thought you were being serious and I had not realized it was all vanilla.

I don't buy this. jason sounds like he's scrambling here. He slipped up.

What crap.......

read my initial post and you will see I initially called him a lier in my vote post

Is it a coincidence that you're already voting him or not?

No, I'm a day cop. jasonT is mafia.

is this serious?

unvote
vote: Nik

flat out lie. He is not a day cop.. If he was, he would know my proper role and not that I am mafia.

As I posted that, in the above he had admitted to lying.

And no I am not seriously claiming day cop.

to which I followed up with

ok, i see above he is lying.... Im happy with my vote. A claim like that could have outted a real cop.

you say your vote aint random and its down to business... with a fake cop claim? if its serious... present your case and defend your lies, scum!

You will see I actually DID think there was a rolecop in the game and had concerns it could out someone in that role not remembering it was all vanilla... If I knew it was all Vanilla, why would I worrry about a rolecop claim and a guilty on me from a rolecop? you will see I was not the only one.

Oh, wow I forgot this game was all vanilla/goon as well. So Nik what was the point behind that fakeclaim then? I guess I'm missing something.

is this serious?

Now, the serious question as already been asked but I will add too..

uhm... so when kingdavid says he forgot it means nothing, but when jason says he forgot it's a scumtell? Seriously?

I'm still happy with my vote.

Fur also didn't realize and not a thing said...I simply didn't realize this game was all vanilla at time of posting..

I called Nik a liar in my initial response to him...
I posted a vote based on his lie
I then see above my post he admitted to lying.. and post so I see he is lying. meaning he just admitted to lying.

[jasonT1981]

Will hopefully be on to comment later, have a pounding headache and next door having a drill going non stop does not help.

[jasonT1981]

My first vote was random. Now it is serious business. Why does it matter?
And no I am not seriously claiming day cop.

I have been thinknig this overnight.. If Nik was seriously down to business like he says he was... why would he have to fake claim a daycop to try and justify keeping his vote on me which was random at the start but now 'serious' business.

That doesnt add up.

[jasonT1981]

my vote was based on that, realizing the game is all vanilla...

Perc.

Yea, nice try trying to make me look bad there... the way you quoted that it looks like I am saying my vote was based on realizing it was all Vanilla... that was not... if your gonna quote me to make me look like scum at lease quote it right. the realizing this is all vanilla part was in reference to the bit you continently left out which made it obivious what I was saying...

I realize that now, I am in a few games atm as well as modding and it didnt registered at the time of post that it was all vanilla setup with 3 goons, m

y vote was based on your rolecop claim, claiming me as scum.

. at the time I thought you were being serious and I had not realized it was all vanilla. I knew you were wrong with your claim that I am scum and voted you thinking it was a flat out scum lie. I actually thought you were seriously claiming rolecop with a guilty on me and knew (at the time) you were lying about it)

m

y vote was based on that, realizing the game is all vanilla... I will go back to my previous vote

unvote
vote:Elmo

you left out a key part to make me look bad there. Nice try

unvote
vote: Benmage

[jasonT1981]

oh crap.. sorry.

unvote

I took that as a case against me somehow.

[jasonT1981]

sorry, have not been on as much been packing for London and had friends over to the house so not spent much time on here. I would suspect there is scum on my wagon as it seems an easy lynch now especially with how my words are twisted... Scum suspects are IAI, Elmo and Fur.. this post is all wrong in my opinion

unvote;
vote: jasont1981

i don't want him to be cleared
if he was scum he would have made the same defense he made
i haven't heard anything from him, and i read nikanor as town
we can take our time, there is no rush. even if we don't get a lynch by halloween, or if we do, the day will still keep going.

We have about 2 weeks still to lynch, so this isn't damning, but JasonT should have his vote out somewhere by now. I am happy to lynch him because I feel if he was town his vote would be

somewhere

.

He DOESNT want me to be cleared? why???? because it will actually mean him to scumhunt or look elsewhere.. as I said, I am the popular wagon.. this all feels like a easy jump on to me.

Has not heard anything from me? ive posted quite a bit... every day in fact near enough except for yesterday..

tries to make me scummier by saying I have no vote atm.. if he looks back I have had a few of them Furs post is nothing but a quick bandwagon jump in an attempt to push a lynch.

vote:Furcolow

[jasonT1981]

Guys, I am really sorry. But I am on V/LA as of now. I am getting an early night and leaving tomorrow morning and won't be back home until Tuesday afternoon/evening.. depending on how late I get back into Belfast on monday night.

[jasonT1981]

Hey everyone, checking back into this game, Im just home from London. absolutly exhausted and sore... going to catch up later hopefully after I have some rest.

[jasonT1981]

I am nearly caught up.. will be posting this evening UK time. Sorry for the deley, I fell asleep last night.

One thing I will say though.. this is now the second time in this game a V/LA has been questioned. I think it is in EXTREMLY poor taste to question a V/LA and use it to make someone look scummy. In fact, it makes the person questioning the V/LA look even more desperate and scummy by clutching onto straws.

[jasonT1981]

OK doing my catch up... Let me first address this

Guys, I am really sorry. But I am on V/LA as of now. I am getting an early night and leaving tomorrow morning and won't be back home until Tuesday afternoon/evening.. depending on how late I get back into Belfast on monday night.

cute you can't defend yourself, because you're "v/la"
sure.
for some reason, I don't believe this.

I don't give a crap if you believe this or not.. It is in poor taste to question a V/LA. Zach was informed of the V/LA pre-game and was actually aware I would be away over the past weekend for over 6 months. I went to London to see the 49ers play the Broncos and was away from Friday evening until Tuesday afternoon.

Why don't you buy the perfectly plausible explanation?

and post so I see he is lying. meaning he just admitted to lying.

This is not an intuitive thought process at all.

says it is not an Intuitive thought process but fails to elaborate as to why it is not.

It's easy and weak in my eyes because I have played a bunch of games with Jason. This is how he fails as a townie, he acts before he thinks. As scum he is much more calm and controlled. I don't agree anything he has done today is obv scum at all.

My vote is easy and weak because the meta you have after playing with jason offsite for years points to jason being town. Craplogick more.

Interesting..... someone who has been playing Mafia with me for 3 years... off site as well as on MS... off site played in nearly every game played that I was in offering Meta on how I behave is crap logic? I seriously doubt that.

Making a side note here, Benmage seems obsessed with Percy in his posts.

ill move my vote to RC because i believe he may have been trying to buddy town in his most recent post

unvote
vote: redcoyote

this was his most recent post.... how is it buddying?

Sotty is right on the above post.

I'll make a better post later. I'm a bit tired at the moment. I only came back because I forgot a vote count in another game.

i am not really too comfortable with my RC vote really even
im not sure who scum are
ill take a +10 for wishy washy voting
i do that as town anyways
obviously

lets wagon kaleidoscope ben

fake pandering to town allignment in an attempt to look town, wants to wagon someone yet does not vote them... and says he is not comfortable with his RC vote despite accusing him of buddying.. something wrong with Furs last few posts here. If you are uncomfortable with your RC vote... why have you not unvoted?

Checking the last votecount.

Let's go for Dry-fit...we have till the 12th for D1...we should leave 1 week for our second lynch atleast. A policy on Kscope could be easier to achieve in 1 week if need be.

unvote vote Dry-fit

what reasons for a policy lynch?

IAI:

What is so troublesome about my Jason defense?

I wonder if (one might even say doubt, that) scum Sotty would defend scum Jason this way this early on. Even with the number of mislynches that would make you cry if you were scum, you would have to know to cut bait this early on a scum partner who this much a liability...

So if that is the case, and Jason is scum, that would mean you were townie.

But then Townie Sotty would be honest on her evaluation of Jason's play, that this is typical of his townie behavior.

Let's just say that all this WIFOM has made me think twice about Jason = scum, so I am seeing where this fourth wagon takes us since I already hated the first two wagons...

Aint you the one bringing the WIFOM into the game?

unvote;
vote: red coyote

dry-fit gave a reason why i should unvote. he claimed he will be more active.
I wasnt sure why people would say RC was scum, but I dislike his vote on me and can see why he would as scum.

complete OMGUS

i didnt say you were or i know you are, i said that i am a viable mislynch to you as scum. i am putting someone else at 3 votes with me (you), and i dont care if i die. the town is better off without me even if im not scum!

REALLY? The only ones in this game town are better off without are scum... now tell me, why are we better off without you?

anyways, the only explanation I can see is you scum with dry-fit.

unvote;
vote: dry-fit

bigger wagon on scum > smaller wagon on scum

Is this you admitting your jumping wagon because one is bigger than the other? Weak....

dry-fits recentness, though appearing to be pro-town, is null

WHAT?????? Then why this?

anyways, the only explanation I can see is you scum with dry-fit.

unvote;
vote: dry-fit

bigger wagon on scum > smaller wagon on scum

you know, this stat talk is really getting away from the actual objective of finding and lynching scum. I would suspect scum would be happy to drag discussion away from scum hunting in anyway possible maybe even perhaps lead the discussion away.....

Seems like an attempt to cast suspicion on I Am Innocent without outright stating it. Sneaky.

errr no, I gave my reasons

No matter how many times I read jason's post, it still looks like a slip. And his explanations have not been satisfactoryto me. What am I supposed to do?

you hasve the best explination I have or will give.... if you still insist on making a case on me I suggest you build a stronger one other than that being a slip as you are completing twisting and taking what I said out of proportion and blowing it up. Complete Strawmanning.

I'm considering voting Dry, but I want to see him post some more first...

Thats another one of his strikes...lack of content.

completely agree

Hmm, Jason's #98. Blatant buddy on Sotty

and a vote on town

that includes buddying as a reason.

Note the bold! Vote on TOWN.... now how is BS so sure eh?

Also this is my post 98

you know Sotty, maybe we should try something different

unvote
vote:Elmo

Hes been very quick to defend people who look scummy, seems to know something we don't add to that his post in #81.. it looks like he is seriously buddying IAI

Buddying? I think not....Hell I even voted differently to Sotty

Unvote

Lets try something different.

Vote: Nikanor

Reasonless votes on Nikanor are bad. The reason should have been stated.

Really? Votes for lying and Fake claiming are bad... noted.

Ben, this is your third post whilst you are supposedly V/LA. I don't consider this a good sign.

Trying to make someone look bad by using V/LA against them... you do know V/LA means vacation OR LIMITED ACCESS meaning he can still post by time is limited.

#149 doesn't look good for you Jason. How would a cop know what your role is? Cop would only know your alignment. Yet you go on and on about now realising that it's a mountainous game. Are you trying to cover up your aparent soft claim of a role in a previous post?

Nice twist though, but he claimed day cop

Is it a coincidence that you're already voting him or not?

No, I'm a day cop. jasonT is mafia.

.

So getting a guilty would mean he knows my role is scum... see? Very nice twist Baby though.

The day cop thing was an obvious joke in a pr-less game, so why did you take it so seriously and respond like this?

FFS again? Aint we been over this... OK I have NEVER played a mountainous game before and I was NOT the only one who didnt realize... interesting you said this about the others...

I gues like me they didnt take into account the vanilla setup

Maybe they recognised it for the stupidly timed joke that it was.

Why is it scummy for me not to realize, but for others they recognised it was a stupidly timed joke.... lets recap the reactions to the claim and the aftermath of being revealed to be a all vanilla game shall we?

1)

Is it a coincidence that you're already voting him or not?

No, I'm a day cop. jasonT is mafia.

is this serious?

2)

Oh, wow I forgot this game was all vanilla/goon as well. So Nik what was the point behind that fakeclaim then? I guess I'm missing something.

Why is it scummy for me not to realize but a joke for others not to?

Ben, this is your third post

whilst

you are supposedly V/LA. I don't consider this a good sign.

That's because you are a noob. Activity is a town-tell.

The first two posts I can understand, claim the absence then spend a bit of time catching up whatever. But that third post just smacks of you monitoring the thread and deciding to make comment.
Faking a V/LA is a scum tell, as it's a form of active lurking, and that sounds like what you were doing.
Trying to mis-rep a scum tell as a town tell, along with the insult, just makes it worse by a long way.

Still have sixish pages to catch up on, but Ben's response here makes me certain.

Vote benmage

Learn what V/LA means.. Vacation or LIMITED ACCESS meaning he can still post... complete BS attempt to make someone look dirty by claiming they are faking V/LA... poor gamesman ship and scummy.

Typical scummy defense there Ben. No defending your scummy actions, just throwing insults.
About what I expect from you.

He should really have nothing to defend... your talking crap.

Right now I am happy with my vote on Fur... Dry-Fit is still pushing my 'scumslip' as the only thing against me clutching at straws. I see both as scum with Baby being a possible third.

[jasonT1981]

Let me put it this way. jason was being voted by just Nikanor at that point if I remember correctly. That would mean he was at, what, L-7? The game just started. Even if he didn't think the setup was Mountainous, why did he feel compelled to immediately vote him in response? Why did he skip my post? Why the "you are lying!", then, "oh, I see now you are lying". It doesn't sound right. There's too much going on here to sound real.

What would you expect him to do then for it to seem real?

Forgot to add this to my catch up but this caught my eye and I would love Nik to answer this please

[jasonT1981]

Jason, give me your strongest scum and town reads in your next post. Just a couple will do, reasons why not expected but welcome.

Fur
Dry-fit
Baby Spice.

I feel Fur and Dry are clinging to 'my sumslip' and still wanting to push it. BS has come in making accusations of others and once again pushing cases that many are satisifed have been explained. As well as trying to push dirt onto players.

[jasonT1981]

Urgh, hit submit insteasd of Preview. IAM I still have slight scum reads on, same as Nik who has somewhat disappeared into the background.

As for town I am getting town reads from

Sotty... I feel quite strong about this, as scum Sotty is quite happy to minupulate my meta to lynch me however as town will be honest as to my meta and past experiences

Ben strikes me as town also as does Locke but he needs to post more.

[jasonT1981]

so you are attacking your attackers
that's totally town bro

i believe you're a VI honestly
town-vi, jason

No, I am atacking those I feel or scum.. or playing scummy.

[jasonT1981]

Oh what BS Fur... now your making me look bad over a grammer mistake on or/are

no case on you exists? Read my big post and you will see why I feel your scum. Passive agressivly state you are my scum suspect? don't think so... I gave good reasons in my post 355.

you really think this is OMGUS? no, I have presented reasons as to why i suspect you as scum

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 2#p2600052
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 3#p2606823

[jasonT1981]

your #355 on me
omgus, wishy-washy voting

both are things i do as town

So you keep saying, I see it as scummy.

[jasonT1981]

Scum making a last ditch effort to slow the wagon on his partner?

[jasonT1981]

Unovte... pressure... revote

Yea, tell me that wishy washy voting is NOT scummy

[jasonT1981]

So if others do it.. it would be scummy, but because its you... its not. Sure

OK provide us with games as town were you wishy washy vote including a unvote and revote due to pressure when someone is at L-1. And scum games were you tell someone to go fuck themselves when questioned upon your voting and threat of a vote going on you.

[jasonT1981]

why not the former?

[jasonT1981]

that is very, very, specific
ill try to find one

Well, you did say it was your town meta and offered to back it up. I called you on it plain and simple.

[jasonT1981]

Really? Votes for lying and Fake claiming are bad... noted.

So now that I challanged you on not giving a reason you decide top give one.

Very long Absence. Yeah I kinda know what that means. I, and just about every other person I've seen, also make a specific not when it's just an access thing. So yeah, you were Active Lurking.

1) V/LA does NOT mean Very long absence... it means Vacation or Limited Access.

2) I fail to see what you mean by the reasons comment.

[jasonT1981]

and I am asking you to prove that.... thats not calling you on shit. TH=hats asking you to back up your town meta with exactly what you say it is

[jasonT1981]

So, you never answered me on this when I asked..

Why did you say earlier on town is better off without you?

[jasonT1981]

he's not my partner
i have no idea as of his alignment
i just dont want to mislynch

vote: dry-fit

Whats changed in the above, to the below?

Why should Dry-fit be lynched? Last I read, your vote was for self preservation only.

he should be lynched because I have no idea as of his alignment.

i am really having trouble getting into this game
i am considering being replaced, though i don't believe i will
this is the most i've ever been uninterested as town, though. i don't really feel like scumhunting for some reason in this game. 3 scum aren't good odds. i'd rather check wagon analysis and buddying from a d2 or d3 perspective in order to catch people than trying to throw dirt around right now. Any wagon in this game is going to be primarily town, so I don't mind riding them. Are you disputing that, RC?

Whats happened? not getting into the game? you made 63 posts... and were quite hell bent and well into the game on my 'scumslip' and making accusations my V/LA was cute and not believeable... all of a sudden your under pressure you cant get into the game?

Cute.. I dont believe this for one second

[jasonT1981]

third, i don't understand the pointless wagon on me whatsoever. my voting/omgus is town from me. prove me wrong if you want.

Actually, I have asked

YOU

to prove that and you have yet to do so. Infact you failed to provide any evidence on your so called Meta when I asked for it.

[jasonT1981]

At this point Furcolow's play has become so bizarre I think it's best to ignore it.

Upon a quick ISO read of dryfit.. I notice he has only made 7 posts.. mostly all trying to cling to my so called scumslip that has been beaten to death... HOWEVER this here is what catches my eye... we should IGNORE Furs play.

At a time when many questions are being asked off him.

I really do not like this.

[jasonT1981]

Im considering dropping the hammer on Dry fit for the above post... thoughts?

[jasonT1981]

right now, lets ust say that post by DF has made me slightly reconsider my position on you.

[jasonT1981]

Actually yea, that last post by DF I pointed out has really made me uneasy about him....

unvote
vote:Dry-Fit

Hammah!

[jasonT1981]

We still have another lynch today before night I believe.... hopefully we can nail 2 scum in one day

[jasonT1981]

FUCK YES!!!!! That last post made me convinced he was scum.

[jasonT1981]

Alright, now that DF has flipped goon, I will expain what made me change my vote to hammer and also lessen suspicion on Fur, don't get me wrong I still think Fur has been scummy and is worth looking at however that last post by DF looked like a diliberate attmpt of distancing and/or buddying to make Fur look bad.

[jasonT1981]

how does that make you confirmed town?

[jasonT1981]

vote: Baby Spice

No, I would have explained it regardless.. I just didn't want to explain it before the flip due to the WIFOM involved in my thinking..

Any BS is still pushing my apparent scumslip.... makes sense scum would still try their hardest to make me look bad, given how DF was so nail and hammer (figure of speach) about it... and now BS is still pushing his old 'case' I feel my vote is in the right place.

[jasonT1981]

You hammered. It's not like you haad to convince anyone else to follow your vote, or had to worry about a counter wagon or anything.
I can see no town reason for withholding your supposed reasons, nor can I see any town reasons for you saying "Now that he has flipped scum ..." and giving them.

Pure and simple you bussed and hammered a scum mate with a poor reason and tried to hide it.

lol Benmage. Leader says obv town is not todays lynch. Would that be coaching since you had no night chat to use? (Since we've had no night)

Vote Benmage

Benmage and Jason are the lynch. Not Percy, not obv town. Just those two scum.

Dryfit tried to twist my words and make me look like scum... he flipped scum, now your following he same lines... and his case adding more twisting to my words trying to make it out I am scummy.

Makes sense scum would still try and push a bogus case on me.

[jasonT1981]

Guys, Im heading out tonight... wont be back until tommorow sometime.

[jasonT1981]

I actually wouldn't mind seeing the case on Percy. I'm still undecided about it. BS right now is my no1 pick as scum.

[jasonT1981]

BabySpice.. you are hellbent on pushing a scumslip on me... how do you respond to accusations of a scumslip from yourself?

[jasonT1981]

Sotty, do you remember Marvel/DC2 were EVERY member of scum kept pushing for my lynch and thats how we partly caught them? I believe it was the one were I was survivor..... this reminds me exactly like that, especially in the way BS is parrotting Dryfit in the same way scum parrotted each other over me in that game.

[jasonT1981]

Right now I am more sure of Nik and Babyspice than I am on Percy and I await Bens case on Percy. RC... hmmm getting mixed signals on him really. It is interesting to note that RC thought the Dryfit wagon was inferiour to my own and the one on fur despite the evedience to the contary... that is quite telling.

However, the percy one is the one I probably am least sold on so far. I might look through Percys ISO in a bit and see, Locke seems to think an ISO on Percy is quite telling as DFs partner. Will hopefully do that before I go out later

[jasonT1981]

hmmmm ok ISO on Percy, he goes right to his ISO7 without any interaction with DF and then declares him scum.. constant attacks on Sotty, who I believe to be town right now. Spends quite a few posts calling RC scummy but does not lay down a vote until his post 7 also....

Names NIK & Fur as unsure... finally in ISO8 he mentions DF and not liking his attack on me.

Look at his ISO 9 after quite a few posts defending me....sayin he would be defencive in my position too (ISO7)

This. Jason's stumbling is now providing some justification, but I fail to understand how jason's reaction is scummy, rather than just a reaction from someone who is busy and didn't read the setup. Just like Benmage who didn't know about the instaflips.

Jason thought (or so he says) there was a day cop claiming a guilty on him. I'd be defensive and react strongly too...

Townreads
mongoose
jasonT1981

@Furcolow: Of course all four can't be scum, but they're the ones hitting my radar. As for Dry-Fit, I don't like his votes on Oso or on Jason, but I like my wagons better.

then when a wagon forms on me...

HE SUDDLENLY FLIPS HIS POSITION

I had a gut read of him, and I thought the only legitimate points made against him were regarding his reaction to your claim gambit. For example, when he said:

flat out lie. He is not a day cop.. If he was, he would know

my proper role

and not that I am mafia.

That sounds like scum who haven't figured out their fakeclaim. Which is why I said the reaction was providing justification.

WOW.... look... from town read to scum who hasnt figured out fakeclaims

then suddenly changes again

Jason says he misread the game. It's quite a bad misreading. Scummy? I don't think so. But he hasn't now, several posts into clearing up this misunderstanding, said he "forgot".

Oh, and I'll be reading and possibly revoting for a lynching wagon either tomorrow or Thursday.

Love this... I will re-read and vote on the lynch wagon

love this too

Why should Dry-fit be lynched? Last I read, your vote was for self preservation only.

and it gets better

Well that was unexpected. I'd say that Havingfitz and Locke Lamora are almost certainly town, due to their early wagonning of Dry-fit.

My initial read of Dry-fit was scummy, but I was seeing scum in the way the wagon was developing, and I didn't think there was enough for a lynch. I was wrong.

Yea, looking in ISO he is OBV scum.

unvote
vote: Percy

I didnt actually see anything until I did an ISO... Dmn.

[jasonT1981]

heh heh heh

Town
Percy.

Benmage and Jason are the lynch. Not Percy, not obv town. Just those two scum

.

[jasonT1981]

upon firther looking BS, despite declaring Percy town.. OBV town and not the lynch.

Has only one tiny tiny interaction or mention of him apart from the declarations.

ITT: Scum explain how happy they are that they're not scum.

?? More like scum complain about how they wish they were scum.

this is it, this is the only interaction or mention of percy apart from her declarations... Baby Spice... you have sum explaining to do... How is Percy OBV town. you keep saying it but have done NOTHING to back it up.

[jasonT1981]

Also, I notice Percy pushes RC so very hard, yet keeps a vote on Fur....then suddeny changes positiion on RC... yet votes for Baby, again like Baby... only one tiny bit of mention and that being the slip I pointed out.

Interesting? I think so!

[jasonT1981]

Id prefer BS over Red.

[jasonT1981]

Right now I fully beleive Sotty to be town, ok yes, this is based on her coming out and saying she has a town read and defending it with Meta to back up her thoughts... I have played scum sotty many times when I have made mistakes in game and she always tries to minupulate my Meta and say thats what I do as scum to secure a lynch.. Town Sotty is honest with her meta on me, Scum Sotty is NEVER.

[jasonT1981]

@Mod - can we get a prod on Basbyspice please

[jasonT1981]

EBWOP:

PS - My vote stays unless we are headed for a no lynch.

Why on earth would you think No Lynch is a possibility? This is very strange hedging.

hmmm missed this, not sure I like it.. why would we no lynch.. more to the point why would IAI be interested in voting No Lynch? IAI... what are the benefits of a no lynch over a lynch right now?

[jasonT1981]

EBWOP:

PS - My vote stays unless we are headed for a no lynch.

Why on earth would you think No Lynch is a possibility? This is very strange hedging.

hmmm missed this, not sure I like it.. why would we no lynch.. more to the point why would IAI be interested in voting No Lynch? IAI... what are the benefits of a no lynch over a lynch right now?

No, what I meant was say we are approaching the deadline, Percy has 6 votes, someone else has 7. I would move my vote rather than see a no lynch. I've already stated 100's of times that it is in town's benefit to lynch every time. If Percy wants to paint that as "hedging" play, so be it. I personally see it as more scummy to not move your vote and allow a no lynch to happen (see my explanation to having fitz in my previous post).

Ah fair enough, I see sorta what you mean... I am happy with my vote on Percy right now, would like to see Baby Spice tomorrow answer for her crimes... he beats on about my 'scumslip' makes one of her own that is very blatent and disappears when questioned on it.

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/search.p ... 7&sr=posts

as you can see, she is blatently ignoring this game. She has been active on site every day, right up to only an hour ago or so.

[jasonT1981]

Make that quite a few hours ago, sorry. but yea.. my point on her stands.

[jasonT1981]

REALLY don't like Havinfitz derealing a possible lynch on scum/wagon on scum so close to deadline to put a vote on someone who has no votes whatso ever on them..really dont have time to shit around like this with a deadline looming. We need to decide a lynch between RC and Percy and go for it. Sotty IS NOT a lynch option at all.

This reaks of oh shit, deadline close and scum partner could be lynched.. lets slow this down. I really do not like it

[jasonT1981]

I am tempted by a promised Babyspice wagon but Red is looking worse and worse to me. I don't understand how people can say his posts are townie like. The only person I am willing to leave Red for now is Nikanor.

Sotty, what do you think about HavingFitz coming of a hot wagon with only days left to deadline to vote you, with no other votes upon you? Attempt to deley a lynch on scum? or something else?

[jasonT1981]

BS... you keep saying I am scum, fair enough I am not even going to try and pursuade you otherwise, point is you are still pushing a BS case that a confirmed scum was pushing.

HOWEVER I take great issue with you once again declaring Percy Obivious town.. I don't give a damn about an 85 page monster.. I really don't Im in 3 games and modding one and can still find time. What I care about is you declaring someone obivious town and YET TO HAVE BACKED UP WITH ANY SOLID SHRED OF EVEDIENCE that he is town.

[jasonT1981]

not going to be about the rest of the day.. I have a race tonight as well as a soccer game.

[jasonT1981]

Nik replacing out is sus... given he was suspected... Anyway.


[/b]@Mod: Deadline extension request... cant be going into a deadline in 48 hrs with someone just replacing into the game. He needs time to catch up[/b]

[jasonT1981]

Sorry for being rude, welcome thor

[jasonT1981]

Percylynch plz

Yea, this wagon needs more votes

[jasonT1981]

[quote="Furcolow"]hi thor.
sotty, why did you feel the need to post a wall of text the minute thor came?
something you're trying to hide?
quote]


I really think your scraping low here, just cause someone new comes in does not mean the game has to hault

[jasonT1981]

hi thor.
sotty, why did you feel the need to post a wall of text the minute thor came?
something you're trying to hide?

I really think your scraping low here, just cause someone new comes in does not mean the game has to hault

[jasonT1981]

i was just seeing how you would react to a little pressuring in questioning
jason's defense of you is noted, but is null, right? because you all are friends

No, I would have asked the question regardless of who it was directed to.. I felt it was a weak attempt at making someone look bad and as you say 'testing the waters' to see if anyone would jump on

[jasonT1981]

unvote
vote: RC

With less than 24 hours left we need to decide on a lync, RC and Percy are both scum suspects. I sufggest BS and Percy be looked at heavily tomorrow though.

[jasonT1981]

Having major powercut issues this evening... postings will be sporadic depending on electric staying on... its been off and on 4 times this evening so far.

[jasonT1981]

Oh, just for fun, while I take my shower:

N.E.I.

Having major powercut issues this evening... postings will be sporadic depending on electric staying on... its been off and on 4 times this evening so far.

T.M.I.

Why, im informing the people in the game of issues that could affect my posting... how is that TMI? Would you rather I just disappear and not post at all.

[jasonT1981]

I see no reason to lynch Ben tomorrow over BS and Percy who are by far scummier

[jasonT1981]

Yea, Percy needs to be lynched today... Also BS

vote: Percy

[jasonT1981]

im not sure I get the whole 'its funny' thing... Just because Percy gets a town read of them, does not mean they cant get a scum read on them.. Scum have been known to give town reads on people too you know.

[jasonT1981]

I would agree, A Percy flip could help determine BS allignment as she is forever calling him OBV town with no actual reasons why

[jasonT1981]

I find Baby pushing a Ben/Jason scum team so much funny given she has a vote on Lrdwhyt who she made very little mention off so far really.

unvote
vote: Baby

We need to lynch Percy next though.. he needs to hang

[jasonT1981]

What is this super town tell though BS... you keep decalring town town town, but ignore questions asking what your town read is

[jasonT1981]

Yea, i been totally having mafia burnout at the minute I still think BS is the best lynch. Will have a look back at the past few pages and try and comspose thoughts soon, text walls atm = giant headaches!

[jasonT1981]

then... why is your vote not on BS or Percy?

[jasonT1981]

At any point Percy would appear to be a viable lynch I'd be voting/hammering him no questions asked. I think BS is a town village idiot and therefore a mislynch. However as our lynch one deadline draws near I have no problem switching my vote to ensure the lynch especially since I think it will further implicate Percy.

That said if I recall (since I'm on my phone) BS was also someone I named undesirable to have around lylo. So its all wins in my book.

Wait, you think BS is town but you would be willing to vote to ensure her lynch... this really reads as a red flag to me

[jasonT1981]

Emergancy V/LA... might be going into hospital, waiting to go for docs appointment.. spent last night vomiting blood and severe stomuch pains

[jasonT1981]

slowly getting back on my feet.. got diagnosed with food poisioning and a burst blood vessel. Not as serious as I thought but still groggy on it...

Seriously shocked at Percys attempts at derealing the BS wagon at -1... I know he says its a 24hour thing but it seems more like scum getting cold feet on lynching his partner. I don't buy his reasons for it one bit. If anything it indicates more Percy is likely to be scum with a BS lynch. I would go as far as saying on the seere likelyhood BS flips scum Percy is an automatic policy lynch. We need to lynch him by the end of this day phase.

[jasonT1981]

@Sotty... No, I don't think your unvote was scummy.. I didn't fully buy the case on Lrd and don't see you as scum, the Percy unvote seemed like desprate scrambling from scum buddies getting cold feet at a lynch. Considering both are heavy suspected thats what peaks my attention.

[jasonT1981]

I don't think Lurking is a scumtell.. I see town and scum do this all the time... sometimes people get accussed of 'lurking' and hey aint even been on the site.

Not liking this

yeah, but unless you have statistics, lurking is not a scumtell.

Still want to see Percy lynched here.

are you willing to put your neck on the line for a percy lynch?

not really liking the above... something doesnt sit right with it

[jasonT1981]

Its been more than 24hours... why has Percys vote not gone back on BS like promised

[jasonT1981]

not really sure I see Thors comments as an actual scum claim... something maybe we could look into down the line... off course it could be sodftclaiming by both Ben & Thor and Im not seeing it.

[jasonT1981]

OK Baby flips scum after attacking Sotty quite a bit, confirming my thoughts Sotty is town...now the super excellent town read she has on percy is very interesting

vote: Percy

[jasonT1981]

why is he even mentioning my name after ive been on both fucking wagons of scum

good way to distance yourself from them I guess if you are scum

[jasonT1981]

Limited Access ATM. UK Has been hit by bad snow storms and the electric is goign off and on.

[jasonT1981]

wow... Ben explain ASAP

[jasonT1981]

but your still advocating a mislynch in your opinion over a scum lynch?

[jasonT1981]

[quote="Empking"
The Scum Side of Null:
JasonT1981[/quote]

this is interesting actually, two people have accused me of being scum... DF and Baby... both flip scum now Emp is picking up a scum vibe on me by looks of it......

Also, I had Ben as scum early in game but let that slide due to BS and DFs play being more apparent scum... I am starting to think Ben could be scum again with his latest plays.... I am going to go back and look over my day 1 points on Ben and see if I still think they hold much weight and could be expanded upon.

[jasonT1981]

The Scum Side of Null:
JasonT1981

was meant to be.. quote fail

[jasonT1981]

i am getting sucked into another game at the moment, and most of my mafia time is going towards it
i will be able to respond to any relevant questions that are directed towards me

Why aint you voting anyone?

[jasonT1981]

Fur, there is only one way you know Percy isn't scum.... shall we go down that road?

[jasonT1981]

Been looking over the Emp case and I tend to agree with it. I didn't like how he came in and had me as scum (note how the last 2 pushing me as scum flipped) doesnt seem interested really in answering much giving short yes/no/maybe answers to some questions. I think he could well be scum upon looking closer

unvote
vote:Emp

Hammer!

[jasonT1981]

or not the hammer... Mina, put your vote back on!

[jasonT1981]

Hmmm, why did Ben hammer before Sotty had a chance to answer Minas question?

[jasonT1981]

jason why are you worried about player interaction in relation? like... they can't both be scum lol

it cuts out discussion.. your hammer felt very opertunistic

vote:Fur

[jasonT1981]

Voting Fur because his end of day 2 phase 2 actions were anything but town and I felt scum was melting down. His hammer, with questions left on the table seemed like a deliberate attempt to cut of communication. Something scum would do. The hammer also seem,ed opertunistic, seemingly like he was sitting with a grin on his face knowing the flip would be town./

Yea, I admit I slacked a lot lately. I think I probably got complacient with the early hits on scum thinknig town could probably now cruise to victory. I also had a major dose of food poisioning that kept me out of the game for quite a bit which I think hurt my ability and desire to play.

I will try and be around moree, and contribute more day 3.

Don't like Furs 'Proxy' vote... doesnt seem like a time to be giving votes away or proxying them with little actual reasoning from Fur.

Still think Percy could be scum... but Fur has overtaken him on my radar recently.

[jasonT1981]

Blagh.. getting fur and Ben mixed up

unvote

need to go re-read.. im getting confused easily at the minute

[jasonT1981]

ok first of Fur...

you do realize that BOTH Dry-Fit.. and then Baby were pushing lynches on me. And both flipped scum?

Also, I like to wagon? LOL... have you been reading the game? you will see for the most part I have gone AGAINST the wagon and voted Percy? only changing when I felt there was credible evediance.

[jasonT1981]

where am I OMGUS and pushing VIs

[jasonT1981]

you want to accuse me of easy wagoning.. lets look at you and wagon placements

Final Vote Count of D1 P1

Dry-fit - 9 (Havingfitz, Locke Lamora, Benmage, KaleiÐoscøpe, Sotty7, Elmo, I Am Innocent,

Furcolow

, JasonT1981)
Furcolow - 2 (RedCoyote, Percy)
Jasont1981 - 2 (Nikanor, Dry-fit)
Benmage - 1 (Baby Spice)
Redcoyote - 1 (Mina)

Not Voting: (Lrdwhyt)

Final Vote Count of D1 P2

RedCoyote - 8 (

Furcolow

], Elmo, Sotty7, Havingfitz, KaleiÐoscøpe, Thor665, JasonT1981, Lrdwhyt)
Percy - 3 (RedCoyote, I Am Innocent, Locke Lamora)
Baby Spice - 2 (Percy, Mina)
Benmage - 1 (Baby Spice)
Lrdwhyt - 1 (Mina)
No lynch - 1 (Benmage)



With 15 alive it's 8 to lynch.

Final Vote Count of D2 P1

Baby Spice - 7 (Sotty7, Thor665, JasonT1981, Benmage, I Am Innocent, Percy,

Furcolow

)
Empking - 3 (Locke Lamora, Elmo, Mina)
Percy - 2 (KaleiÐoscøpe, Empking)

Final Vote count of Day 2 Phase 2:

Empking - 7 (Thor665, I Am Innocent, Sotty7, Elmo,

Furcolow

, JasonT1981, Benmage)
Mina - 3 (Locke Lamora, Percy, Empking)
Percy - 1 (KaleiÐoscøpe)

Not Voting: (Mina)

Deadline for Day 2 is Monday, December 6th at 8am CST

With 12 alive it's 7 to lynch

hmmm, you say I like to wagon.. yet have been on

EVERY

lynch wagon yourself...

how is me doing it scummy... yet you have been on every lynch wagon as well? double standards much?

Note: Color tags removed. Read the rules.

[jasonT1981]

where am I OMGUS and pushing VIs

read the last quote in my 1159
you vote me for voting you
you also vote me
am i not a vi

were am I voting you for voting me..

And I never said you were a VI.. you accuse me of pushing VI and I asked where?

[jasonT1981]

Also.. this is 1159 and it was not by you.

http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=14701

Another thread where scums purposely avoid voting/suspecting the same people.
The scums are: nobody special, haylen, twomz
The first vote count with majority of people voting looks like this:

VOTE COUNT

Andrius (1): mothrax
animorpherv1 (3): Zajnet,

Twomz

Bunnylover (1): InflatablePie
Haylen (1): seth
InflatablePie (1): SpyreX
MehPlusRawr (2): TheLonging, SaintKerrigan
Nobody Special (1), MehPlusRawr
Nachomamma8 (1):

Nobody Special

SaintKerrigan (1): Bunnylover
seth (2): Phaen, Me=Weird
TheLonging (1): Nachomamma8
Twomz (1): Andrius
Not voting (3): animorpherv1,

Haylen

, Kise

So I guess we can say that point three is pretty damn accurate in most cases.
I seriously picked these threads at random by the way.

the nearest post by you to it was 1152.....followed by next 1171...

so please, show me because 1159 was not yours nor were you anywhere close to a post there!

[jasonT1981]

Actually looking back aside from my mix up toady between you and Ben, which was unvoted when pointed out to me I made a mistake, the LAST time I voted you was day 1. Giving reasons for it too

sorry, have not been on as much been packing for London and had friends over to the house so not spent much time on here. I would suspect there is scum on my wagon as it seems an easy lynch now especially with how my words are twisted... Scum suspects are IAI, Elmo and Fur.. this post is all wrong in my opinion

unvote;
vote: jasont1981

i don't want him to be cleared
if he was scum he would have made the same defense he made
i haven't heard anything from him, and i read nikanor as town
we can take our time, there is no rush. even if we don't get a lynch by halloween, or if we do, the day will still keep going.

We have about 2 weeks still to lynch, so this isn't damning, but JasonT should have his vote out somewhere by now. I am happy to lynch him because I feel if he was town his vote would be

somewhere

.

He DOESNT want me to be cleared? why???? because it will actually mean him to scumhunt or look elsewhere.. as I said, I am the popular wagon.. this all feels like a easy jump on to me.

Has not heard anything from me? ive posted quite a bit... every day in fact near enough except for yesterday..

tries to make me scummier by saying I have no vote atm.. if he looks back I have had a few of them Furs post is nothing but a quick bandwagon jump in an attempt to push a lynch.

vote:Furcolow

if you look at this, he does NOT want me to be cleared... both scum didnt want me cleared either and both pursued me.. this is also Furs first mention or attack on me since day1... why wait to now to bring it up again? seems a rather long time to hold your opinion does it not?

he states he had not heard enough from me... I was very active day 1 posting a lot.. and posted every day (real time not game day)

wanna explain, Fur?

[jasonT1981]

Aside from my trip to London I was on every day.. also this

Guys, I am really sorry. But I am on V/LA as of now. I am getting an early night and leaving tomorrow morning and won't be back home until Tuesday afternoon/evening.. depending on how late I get back into Belfast on monday night.

cute you can't defend yourself, because you're "v/la"
sure.
for some reason, I don't believe this.

He knew I was V/LA... called fake on it.. then said I wasnt posting enough...despite knowing I was V/LA and had been posting when I was not V/LA

[jasonT1981]

I always knew there was a secret Alcoholic in you lol

[jasonT1981]

So are you going to adress as to why you're acusing me of easy waggoning when you were on every one yourself? are you going to address as to why you have not said anything more about me since day 1?

[jasonT1981]

Aside from my trip to London I was on every day.. also this

Guys, I am really sorry. But I am on V/LA as of now. I am getting an early night and leaving tomorrow morning and won't be back home until Tuesday afternoon/evening.. depending on how late I get back into Belfast on monday night.

cute you can't defend yourself, because you're "v/la"
sure.
for some reason, I don't believe this.

He knew I was V/LA... called fake on it.. then said I wasnt posting enough...despite knowing I was V/LA and had been posting when I was not V/LA

um... my reply to you was 5 minutes after you made that post...
you went to london in 5 minutes?

my point is you were callign BS on my V/LA.. yes you posted 5 mins after i posted my V/LA so what? that does not change anything. fact of the matter is that was my last post until i returned.. you also accused me of not posting enough when aside from my V/LA I had been posting every day.

[jasonT1981]

um... address WHAT?
i was on both fucking wagons
want me to quote mongoose trying to start one on me?
if you can find me specific incidents where there is no way in hell scum would have reacted towards you the way they did, by all means, i will unvote. i'm not going to do your work for you.

you were on ALL wagons of lynches! is the point i am making to cuounter your argument I was easy waggoning. whats Mongoose got to do with this? I am talking specifically the lynch wagons that you were on all off... yet accuse me of easy wagonning.

[jasonT1981]

fur, im not going to argue anymore with you, ive made my points.. you have made yours.. ive countered your arguements, your countering mine.. our fight will end up taking over this game and take away from being able to find the last scum.

[jasonT1981]

Zach, i unvoted Fur

[jasonT1981]

Mina, I must have missed your questions. what were they againso I can answer for you?

[jasonT1981]

.

jason, I was referring to my questions in this post. Also, another one, while I'm at it. Percy was at four votes and Baby Spice was at three. Then you switched from Percy to Baby Spice, making it four for BS and one for Percy.

Obviously, that's a good thing. But can you just elaborate on what made you decide Baby Spice was a better lynch than Percy? Percy was your top suspect all day before then.

Ok, yes I switched to BS from Percy.. I was sure at the time both were scum and I made numerous mentions of this throughout the game. I felt switching votes would still secure a scum lynch. alright now onto your questions I missed.

Speaking of which, can you answer this:

I'd also have liked to hear an answer, but Ben definitely isn't scum, jason. By your question, were you implying that you find it suspicious, or just a bad move?

and this:

Okay, I had a huge post typed up explaining what my motivation was for suggesting the speedlynch plan, but since you're online, might as well ask this first: jason, if the game doesn't end with Empking's lynch, would you agree with a speedlynch-Mina-Elmo-Percy-Kaleidoscope plan? What about lynching Mina, Elmo, Percy, and Kaleidoscope after lots and lots of discussion? Any objections?

1) Ben is scummy, my entire first post of today saying Fur was actually meant at Ben.. I don't know why but I keep getting the pair mixed up. I truely believe Ben is scum.. he has gone above Percy in my list of potentail final scum. I feel his hammer was opertunistic knowing he was hammering town, and an attempt to cut out discussion as I said before due to questions being on the table from yourself to Sotty.. cutting off discussion and getting answers is a scum game. He could have waited to hammer until questions were answered but I feel he saw the opertunity and took it with glee.

2) No, I object to all speed lynches.. forgive me but that plan sounds like something that Andrew comes up with. Still not 100% sure if town will win the game with speed lynches. I prefer lynch on evedience rather than policy speed lynches. If scum is not in that list, it lets them slide far to much without having to post much.

Anyway, I do find Ben scummy for his end of day 2 actions my origional vote on Fur today was meant to be Ben. I don't agree with Fur however I am sorry for the mistake in identity.

vote: Ben

[jasonT1981]

Mina why aren't you voting.

With everything that is going on, this is all Ben has to say on everything? Don't like this at all

[jasonT1981]

Interesting with conversation still going, end of day 2 with no lynch scene this is what Ben said

Yeah I was hoping Zach was still here.

very eager to get into night

Also, has posted nothing really substantial today (ok he says he is sick, I will give him sliht leeway on that) however most of his posts have consisted of asking why peopel are not voting or telling them they should vote.

Everyone not voting needs to place a vote.

@Sotty7

: What is your read on Thor?

Sotty, why aren't you voting/voting thor?

We don't need this kind of postage. We need lynching.

Mina why aren't you voting.

He has made 5 posts today... 4 of which are about asking why people are not voting, or we need to lynch but has done very little himself to help the town find the last scum. I find it fishy

[jasonT1981]

wow.....

[jasonT1981]

-Posting tons (why?)
-She's scum?
-As scum: her only option is to stall...post a lot, maybe attack someone else. Hope to appeal, get some sort of mercy-thing, and have things/pressure swing off her.

-She's town?
-As town: WHAT THE FUCK is wrong with her. Why is she bothering with all this when her lynch is inevitable and this game is in the bag. Her endless clutter of words are harming this town 10X more than any good they could bring. She's going to die. She should accept it. Maybe have a few CHOICE words and let it happen. Goddamn.

Conclusion: She's scum.

hmmm i think you have this the wrong way round.

Town would post lots trying to explain things, give her reads... as scum she could have the luxery of not doing this and letting things slide a bit. Posting alot is not stalling, not posting would be stalling.

[jasonT1981]

Also posting lots is better than posting nothing!

[jasonT1981]

To be honest Sotty, im kind of torn on Mina. I don't know her metas as I believe this is the first time I have played with her... I do think some things are getting twisted against her... like what ben said about her.

[jasonT1981]

Im going to ISO her tomorrow (3am and im drunk , so not a good idea to now)

[jasonT1981]

Ben, what makes you feel you are so safe from lynch/confirmed town.. i forgot to ask that.

[jasonT1981]

I have seen them, and there is nothing confirming you as safe or confirmed town.. pleasse show me exactly WHY you are safe, Ben.

[jasonT1981]

Question to everyoner... do you feel Ben is confirmed town/safe from lynch.. if so, why?

[jasonT1981]

Question to everyoner... do you feel Ben is confirmed town/safe from lynch.. if so, why?

D3, or ever? There are much better choices D3 than Ben, so I am willing to say there is very little chance you will swing my vote that way D3...

I meant over all, not just D3.. he seems to think he is confirmed town and wont be lynched what so ever in this game.

[jasonT1981]

to clarify.. it is just my belief that in an all vanilla game, with no means of investigation or tracking etc... no one can ever be confirmed town which is why I am challenging Ben on his belief he is. Trying to get through a Mina ISO atm all while watching Xfactor final and the NFL game.

[jasonT1981]

Do you think he is a Top 2 or 3 suspect? If not, then I think you are wasting time. Let's try to come to a consensus on a solid pick and see what happens. Hopefully it is Percy and this game can end already.

Right now yes, he is in my top 2 suspects, my vote is on him.. I also think Percy could be scum.. still really not convinced on Mina

[jasonT1981]

Bloody hell, Mina ISO kills me! can anyone give me bullet points on the case please?

[jasonT1981]

Because right now you’ve been nothing but a fucking waste. Its so goddamn obvious I’m town if you’ve been only half-ass following/skimming this game….I seriously feel like I’m dealing with a child.

go fuck yourself, prick.

[jasonT1981]

ok, appoligies to all about that outburst. that comment by Ben really fracked me off. If he didnt realize I was one of the first to push on BS so don't sit there and say im a fucking waste to this game. You have NO RIGHT to make personal attacks like you did. Also I don't give a damn if you think your obivious town.. your not, deal with it you whiney little child.

someone suspects me.. oh no, I must attack them personallyand say im obv town..

more often than not, those who declare themselves obvious town are scum.. you are not confirmed town, you are not even obvious town. right now no one is. except those dead and flipped that is.

[jasonT1981]

OK moving on.. that's a pretty convincing case on Mina I must say. reading her in ISO was hell and hard to spot so much. I really don't like how she seems to think Percy is cleared... just like Ben (Sorry, I refute he is cleared) thinks he is.

unvote
vote: Mina

Im going to get no where fighting with ben and its not going to help the game. I do still feel he has a godo chance of flipping scum but after reading the case on Mina he has dropped down 1 place in my scumlist.

[jasonT1981]

Just a quick note, due to an serious family matter I may not be about too much today or tomorrow. Zach has been notified as to the full reasons that I do not wish to get into.

[jasonT1981]

In fact look where furclow lands on both wagons
..the end

vote furclow

Making a quick post while I am on.. I actually agree with that. Fur was quick to accuse me of being on wagons when he was at the time on every wagon also. it was pretty hypocritical. go back and look at our exchanges.

I have somewhat come to the conclusion that Ben is probably town because of the exchanges etc however that does not clear him, nor does it excuse his constant insults.

Anyway if I am not about too much, I am sorry. my mother collapsed this afternoon with chest pains and we had to get paramedics out to the house. Not high risk and does not seem very seriouis as they concluded she was alright to stay at home after treatment and not be taken to hospital. However she is still pretty sore. but my mind and attention are elsewhere right now.

[jasonT1981]

Im going to put my vote where it should have been all day so far

vote: Percy

Really not liking his #1302 talkling about Mina then votes Scope without any reasoning.

[jasonT1981]

I don't know, Sotty... it just felt like he is still trying to justify the lynch.. afraid of being called on it or something and feels the need to keep discussing Mina instead of moving forward and trying to hunt scum here and now. I cant put my fingers on it but it did seem strange to me

I admit, my attention to this game is still pretty wavey today. sorry.. however I do still feel Percy is our best option at hitting scum. I have begrudgingly accepted Ben is more than likely town but still iffy over his boasts and saying he is confirmed town and generally acting like an ass thinking he is above everyone and unlynchable.

[jasonT1981]

The self vote is very strange indeed. Seems resigned to his lynch already... making me think slightly it is defeatist scum.

[jasonT1981]

wow just iso'd Scope.. everything is vote percy or lynch percy, right from the start yet no reasons.. look at his posts and you will see he has added NOTHING to the game except the above mentioned lynch percy, why is percy not dead yet.. why are you not voting percy.

I could quote them all, but just look at his ISO and it is 3 pages of the above.

unvote
vote:KaleiÐoscøpe

[jasonT1981]

No reasons? Oh please...

Just because I didn't bother repeating them every post doesn't mean they aren't there.

And no, I didn't add anything more then I need to, and that is vote who I think is scum, which I did.

Would you care to show me in the following anywhere.... were you give reasons for why you want Percy lynched so bad.

Also
Yes, Percy is scummy
Yes, Benmage is likely town because of one post.

We lynch either Red or Percy today.

Any other lynch proposals are scummy and ignorant

Unvote Vote: Percy

Red tomorrow k?

unvote vote: percy

ok, that was annoying >.<

Let's lynch either Percy or Redcoyote before thursday, so we don't waste this time.

I couldn't care less about who dies out of RC/Percy. I suspect them both, they have reasonable votes on them, and since we only have 2 days left, I'd hate to not lynch today.

Let's lynch Percy today and take a closer look at RedCoyote tomorrow.

Percylynch plz

Percy can say his stuff tomorrow.

Hammertime!


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Vote: Percy

OHFFS,

CAN WE LYNCH PERCY AND HAVE A FRESH START?

yeah, but unless you have statistics, lurking is not a scumtell.

Still want to see Percy lynched here.

You're going down next when Percy is lynched.

Vote: Percy

No offense, but trainwreck Furc is probably town.

We need a Percylynch

Vote: Percy

Hey Nul,

Vote Percy please

XoXo Scope

Does anyone find it funny that most of Kscope's posts usually consists of one sentence along the lines of 'lynch x'


and hes been playing for

4

6 years

hahahahaaaha

Fixed.

Where is your Percy vote btw?

Vote: Percy

I'm not lurking. I still want Percy dead.

Anywhere?

[jasonT1981]

Game is slowing down... I believe KD might be trying to stall things with his active lurking so we might look elsewhere.

[jasonT1981]

vote: Percy

gonna go with my gut instincts here with Percy, I have been on and off him all game. this time he cant live.

[jasonT1981]

sorry, percy, but we have another phase

... and if you make it to lylo town will pretty much auto-lynch you if you're town
which would suck

this is interesting.. if he was scum we would NOT have had another phase....

[jasonT1981]

Checking in, hope you all had a good Christmas. Will be posting content in next day or two, family stuff still going on. Still getting presents

[jasonT1981]

Equinox, could you show us this text file please or at least the bits showing why you think Fur is scum? I admit I would be open to a lynch of Fur, I believe I have had on-off suspicions of him back in day 2.

Also happy new year to everyone hope you had a great Christmas period too

[jasonT1981]

OK the BS thing alone is reason to lynch. He doesnt want to talk about that yet goes after scope...

vote:Fur

[jasonT1981]

waiting on a wagon to vote.

haha the irony!

[jasonT1981]

re-reasding my reasons of suspicion early on this stands out

sorry, have not been on as much been packing for London and had friends over to the house so not spent much time on here. I would suspect there is scum on my wagon as it seems an easy lynch now especially with how my words are twisted... Scum suspects are IAI, Elmo and Fur.. this post is all wrong in my opinion

unvote;
vote: jasont1981

i don't want him to be cleared
if he was scum he would have made the same defense he made
i haven't heard anything from him, and i read nikanor as town
we can take our time, there is no rush. even if we don't get a lynch by halloween, or if we do, the day will still keep going.

We have about 2 weeks still to lynch, so this isn't damning, but JasonT should have his vote out somewhere by now. I am happy to lynch him because I feel if he was town his vote would be

somewhere

.

He DOESNT want me to be cleared? why???? because it will actually mean him to scumhunt or look elsewhere.. as I said, I am the popular wagon.. this all feels like a easy jump on to me.

Has not heard anything from me? ive posted quite a bit... every day in fact near enough except for yesterday..

tries to make me scummier by saying I have no vote atm.. if he looks back I have had a few of them Furs post is nothing but a quick bandwagon jump in an attempt to push a lynch.

vote:Furcolow

note he does NOT want me to be cleared... easy lynch as I was under a lot of pressure at the time due to fake cop claim reaction. Also a reaction to a legit V/LA that the mod and some players knew about

Guys, I am really sorry. But I am on V/LA as of now. I am getting an early night and leaving tomorrow morning and won't be back home until Tuesday afternoon/evening.. depending on how late I get back into Belfast on monday night.

cute you can't defend yourself, because you're "v/la"
sure.
for some reason, I don't believe this.

also this, too big to quote

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 3#p2606823

he's not my partner

i have no idea as of his alignment
i just dont want to mislynch

vote: dry-fit

scum slip in bold?

[jasonT1981]

thanks for posting that Equinox. very interesting stuff. Fur is the lynch that wins us the game now I am convinced.

[jasonT1981]

Funny thing is, Fur said I scum slipped over my reaction but as I highlighted.. he too didn't actually realize there was not actually a cop in the game

[jasonT1981]

/BAH

[jasonT1981]

Thanks for running this Zach. This is my first large game. It at times got me feeling OMG! and it was hard to keep up. but I had a lot of fun