Objection Redux - It's all over bar the shouting!

[SocioPath]

Vote: Vuvuzela

It is better to rid the town of someone who will side with the scum eventually and drag everyone else down earlier than later.
Or he is scum.

[SocioPath]

Actually Elli is probably scum and I would reluctantly vote him to lynch at this point as well.

[SocioPath]

Actually Elli is probably scum and I would reluctantly vote him to lynch at this point as well.

If he's probably scum then why etc.

DON'T QUESTION ME.
ESPECIALLY YOU, OF ALL PEOPLE.

MIGHT AS WELL HAVE VV TOOTING HIS HORN AT ME.

[SocioPath]

Yay Fate.

The VV and Rhino is good stuff.

The UK case, not in the least.
The back and forth is a bit silly.
Fate/UK should just ignore each other for now and that will get a lot more accomplished, as arguments from each other towards the other are wasted breath.

ISO 1: "I like the start of this game already" What the hell does this even mean? VV was the FIRST to post, so it isn't like anything awesome had happened. There was no awesome D1 START flavor either, so this just looks like pressed posturing to "say something townlike" aka he's "Excited to be in a game with cool peeps!"

Sooo, I can't like the start of the gaem with a playerlist I've been excited about? What's so scummy about this sentence? Why the hell is this me posturing to say something 'townlike'? How the hell is this sentence supposed to be interpreted as 'something townlike' anyway?

It is good to note the contrast from the start of this game from the start of the last game as well. Yay playerlist.

More WHYS and no "HERES WHY IM NOT" I've already explained why you are faking it here with your first goddamned post.

You are refusing to actually understand what the fuck I am fucking saying.

I've shown enthusiasm at the previous thread did I fucking not? SOOO WHY THE FUCK DO YOU THINK I'M FAKING HERE? HUH?

The link defense was amusing as well.

Also I've only been skimming thru the more recent walls by VV, reading them won't do me any good when he gets lynched as scum.
Only if he happens to pop out town, will I go back and waste my time.

You know, do you all HAVE to fucking quote stripe?

Still yes.



There were a few other things I was going to say, I don't recall them at this point.

[SocioPath]

I bet you clowns wear your seat belt ALL THE TIME too amirite?

I do.
Saves on HOSPITAL BILLS too amirite?

[SocioPath]

I'm Phoenix Wright. VT. That's right, the Main Character. MY NAME WAS IN THE FUCKING TITLE OF THE GAME. That dude who was Vi's role in the previous run.

Oh hey look I can reference things from the previous run too:

Scums have fake claims, so I'll probably toss all the names into a random number generator, make the scum the same evll characters and give them 3 random fake claims.

[SocioPath]

my only option to push a rhinox wagon would be to defend VV, hence the dilemma

Nice false dilemma.
A more accurate and appealing thing there though would be: that the only logical option would be to construct a better case on Rhino, and hope people see the light.
Meaning make a BETTER case on those that are more likely scum.

No one ever has to defend anyone, just attack others and make that better than what is out there.
Hell, I rarely even defend MYSELF, and I somehow manage, even with the wind in my face.

But no, its not like that is it.
And your playstyle this game is a complete assbackwards of what I've ever seen before coming from you.
Of course, I've never seen a game where you were mafia with scum buddies either.


I'd throw my vote on mags at this point.
This posting without saying anything is ridiculous coming from him.
He is way more competent than this.

[SocioPath]

I will only vote for VV/Rhino/Mango for the remainder of today.
So spin that wheel and decide who shall burn.

[SocioPath]

Vote: Mango

Wooooooooooooooo.
Mango is totally the play for today.


The Elli push is fine too.

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Also, PZ got replaced the same day that he last posted, as soon as the night hit.
That jumps him up the list by a WEE BIT, considering his posts and his relation to me.
i.e. frustrated scum who has been declawed and cannot stand that fact and gets attacked for it.

[SocioPath]

Mangoes isn't the most fantastic of all isos but he has words on everyone

Words != Not Scum

SOCIO GET ON THIS WAGON YOURS IS SILLY.

ITS NOT SILLY DAMMIT.
But your wagon is good too.

Unvote
Vote: Elli

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I can't see mango scum. His vote history has been poking Rhinox before it was cool to do so.

Yeah, I can TOTALLY not see any scum motivation for that.

I know I've certainly personally never bussed obvscum buddies before to help buy easy creds and extra lives and 1ups and continues and and and.

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you tend to move towards the prevailing wagon if yours isn't getting off the ground.

DEPENDS ON INDIVIDUAL BASIS.
AND SO I HAVE CERTAINLY DONE SUCH.

But from what I know of mags, this is not his scum hunting motif.
And this is a good chunk of what I am focused on.
The way his plays when he actually has scums to find (as town or any other side that can scumhunt e.g. SK) is completely and totally different then when he isn't actually hunting for the team of scums.

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Lynching DTM is a stupid move at this point.

Oh cool Spyrex and mango are the final scum.

Oh cool it was that obvious.
But not "FINAL" scum.

Here is a heads up.
If everyone was the role that they claimed, then it would pan out like this:

If scum wanted their second night, then they would have to kill DTM, who does nothing but grant a second night. Buy one kill get one free.

But that would give spy the "vig" 2 nights of killing before even worrying about not popping back up into the next day.

So lynching DTM would net this for the next cycle: 1 "liability" lynch, 1 vig kill, 1 scum kill.
So 1 net "town" controlled kill.
And 1 scum aimed kill.

NOT lynching DTM today would net: 1 lynch, 1 "liability" scum kill, 1 vig kill...second night: 1 scum kill, 1 vig kill.
Sooooo 3 net "town" controlled kills.
1 useless liability scum kill, and 1 actual scum aimed kill.

GEE.
Scum shooting DTM is actually worse off for them at this point, barring other outside factors.

Soooo...spy the "vig" is not really that vig at all, given the DTM push.

[SocioPath]

The logic was based off of that fact.
That is what makes the realizations work.

So quick to agree without even reading in context.

[SocioPath]

hat aside, I do know that the worst case scenario today is that we lynch the vig:

Hence my lack of vote switching.

Just because someone is scum, doesn't necessarily mean that they are a good lynch depending on the gameflow point of time.

I just like finding all the scum now, and then sorting out the whos and whats of how it is to be handled to take account all of the actions that potentially could go wrong.

[SocioPath]

THAT IS WHAT MAKES THE MAGIC WORK.

[SocioPath]

That is missing the point entirely and not what I was stating or implying at all.

[SocioPath]

Liquid vote because it is obviously not solid:

Unvote
Vote: Manggus

[SocioPath]

my only option to push a rhinox wagon would be to defend VV, hence the dilemma

Nice false dilemma.
A more accurate and appealing thing there though would be: that the only logical option would be to construct a better case on Rhino, and hope people see the light.
Meaning make a BETTER case on those that are more likely scum.

No one ever has to defend anyone, just attack others and make that better than what is out there.
Hell, I rarely even defend MYSELF, and I somehow manage, even with the wind in my face.

But no, its not like that is it.
And your playstyle this game is a complete assbackwards of what I've ever seen before coming from you.
Of course, I've never seen a game where you were mafia with scum buddies either.


I'd throw my vote on mags at this point.
This posting without saying anything is ridiculous coming from him.
He is way more competent than this.

[SocioPath]

Mag, how were you planning on getting Rhino lynched TODAY. Like...pretend he didn't die at night. What would you have done and stuff?

um... attacked him...
I guess maybe I put too much faith in the town's ability to make the right decisions? IDK, I just sorta figured it would be easy, since he seemed so obvscum to me.

my only option to push a rhinox wagon would be to defend VV, hence the dilemma

[SocioPath]

Here is a bullet for ya:

Mag, how were you planning on getting Rhino lynched TODAY. Like...pretend he didn't die at night. What would you have done and stuff?

um... attacked him...
I guess maybe I put too much faith in the town's ability to make the right decisions? IDK, I just sorta figured it would be easy, since he seemed so obvscum to me.

my only option to push a rhinox wagon would be to defend VV, hence the dilemma

Mango, yesterday...his "only option" to get Rhino lynched would be to defend VV.

Mango, today, if Rhino was still alive...he would have..."um...attacked him..."

COMPELLING ARGUEMENT.

Although an Elli wagoned built up, as did a Mango wagon...maybe the only options to UUUMMM ATTACKING would be to defend Elli/Mangy?

[SocioPath]

his reluctance to vote him despite saying he's scummy multiple times.

I NO RITE?

[SocioPath]

YEAAAAAPPPPPPPPPPPP.
AND IT'S NOT LIKE I'VE SEEN YOU CALL YOURSELF SCUMMY AS SCUM IN HOLY ORDERS OR ANYTHING YA KNOW.

CALLING SELF SCUMMY?

MOAR LIEK POINTING OUT THAT MY VOTE HAS BEEN ALL OVER BOTH ELLI AND MANGO TODAY.

IF I LEFT IT ALONE LIEK TWO PAGES AGO(TWAS ON ELLI), YOU COULD GO LIEK "ZOMG U CALL MANGO SCUMMY BUT YER VOTE ISNT ON HIM"

[SocioPath]

MANG. GUS.

[SocioPath]

SUBTLE.

[SocioPath]

Ihmo SP is also a superior wagon

I second this.

[SocioPath]

I'm gonna steal some of Socio's words here.
"ZOMG U CALL

MANGO

ELLI SCUMMY BUT YER VOTE ISNT ON HIM"

Vote: Sociopath

LIEK ZOMG I NO RITE?

VOTE: ELLI

Vezok is rearing his ugly head though too.

[SocioPath]

Faraday is confusing Spy...must be scum.

[SocioPath]

PREVIEW: SP I JUST WANT ONE BEAUTIFUL POST OF LOVE FROM YOU. ONE OF THOSE ONES WHERE I CAN ELIMINATE YOU FROM MY SUBCONCIOUS

But I cant DOOOO that.
My reads so far of the flipped townies have been terrible.
My position therefor is pretty crap.
There are always a few players that when the numbers are down, are generally best to be taken out, and with our town numbers dwindling this game is almost a write off as a loss for me.


This recent Elli-attacking-Vezok as of late looks good though, and they are likely buddies.
Elli painted Vezok as so much scum, but that wouldn't mean anything if Vezok hadn't already claimed scum.

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PS Socio is acting like socioscum.

SCUMMIEST AGM HAS BEEN ALL GAME.

[SocioPath]

Perhaps because I haven't voted for him yet.

[SocioPath]

pushing on mangus when there were better lynches after mangus' PR claim.

Better lynches?
Not from my perspective.
Mags was totally playing completely differently from what I knew of him, and he even admitted as such.
I'm not going to drop my case when the lynchee themselves claims that I was of sound mind.
He was off all game.
Even compared to the first version of this game where he was town.

So don't try and preach to me that there were "better lynches".

[SocioPath]

The important things from MOHO (http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 76&start=0) are his general lack of effort until late-game when he starts being a major suspect and him diffusing parts of the case on himself there by mocking the case-makers to the point of making a case on himself just to go through it with as much sarcasm as possible.

Heh.

Thats cool and all, but then there is the fact that is generally how I play the game.
The apparent "lack of effort" (MEANING: "LESS WORDY") is how I go about large games when more people are still kicking.
Minis aren't generally like that at all.
And when large games get to sub-mini size, they tend to go that route too.

[SocioPath]

Also, the Socio point is ESPECIALLY true given there was a perfect target for bussage: Rhinox.

HEY NOW.
I WOULD HAVE VOTED HIM.

[SocioPath]

This is an interesting turn of events.

[SocioPath]

I'd vote AGM before UK, but UK isn't terrible.

[SocioPath]

Vezok and Socio need to be more helpful and say explain what's on their minds.

Whats on MY MIND?

Well, firstly, vezo is an easy lynch/mislynch for every game I've ever seen.
Vezo has been -ability- confirmed.
So I don't see the pushes on vezo to be town based.

AGM is all wonky.
Seems to be making cases where he can, pulling them out of his ass.
Although to his credit, if what he pulls out of his ass happens to be shit, he'll flush it.

UK seems to be using the brute force method of defending herself.
Be as intimidating as one can to minimize a logical back and forth flow to discussions.

Too few players left in this game to be dropping votes all around for my liking.

Those have been my current thoughts.

[SocioPath]

I ALSO told you all why vezok CLAIMS he neighborized me. Supposedly I was going to ~*~slip~*~.

That seems legit given a vezok point of view.

[SocioPath]

You know, I wasn't kidding. I do want an answer. I know we had Christmas yesterday but today is not.

You, UK. You.
It was AGM, but this post, pushed you up and over him.

Vote: UK

[SocioPath]

SP: Who's my scumbuddy?

I'll answer THAT.
AGM.

Or, even better:

Vezok.
Think about it.

[SocioPath]

Vezok is town until tomorrow.
Simple as that.

[SocioPath]

VEZOK is NOT the play for TODAY.

[SocioPath]

Vezok is most likely the play tomorrow, based on the NK.

[SocioPath]

I agree with FATE.

[SocioPath]

maybe needed a stronger pr for town

NOPE.