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Tuniogen is confident, for the time being, in Exe being scum. Tuniogen could go into his ISO and do a PBPA, but Tuniogen feels such analysis would be moot. So, Tuniogen will simply quote his latest post (#108):
QFS: Quoted For Scumness.Exe wrote:You scum bro?
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They recycle. Notice how your MPM timeline is a continuum and doesn't stop at your fifth personality.Robocopter87 wrote:Parama: Just out of curiousity, what happens after we run out of personalities?
Tuniogen thinks that it would be moot because simply put, there is nothing to analyse. His posts speak for themselves. Tuniogen tells you this to preempt requests for a case by players who are either too lazy, too stupid or trying too hard to look protown.KitoMo wrote:
Why would it be moot? Why are you even telling us this?Tuniogen wrote:Tuniogen could go into his ISO and do a PBPA, but Tuniogen feels such analysis would be moot.
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Tuniogen's thoughts on players so far:
Beefster:Leaning about 45% town at this point. Dislike his constant theory debates, sudden vote of Ellibereth without any explanation whatsoever and reference to honesty in ISO post #6.
CupcakePanda:Can not read yet. Get out of RVS and post game-related content.
Ellibereth:Looking fairly in line with his town meta. 80% town.
Exe:Already done.
Fate:Stop posting in random alignments. Stop posting nonsense.
KitoMo:Has voted 3 times in 2 posts. Choices of Scott and themanhimself seem arbitrary when questioning Robocopter87. Possible Fate coaching?
Lady Lambadelta:Gah... she's pushing things that don't matter and won't listen to reason. Tuniogen loves her dearly but yeesh. She only seems to be focussing on those who disagree with her instead of providing broader, impartial views.
Lateralus22:Post some content and stop being wishy-washy with your votes.
Llamarble:Needs to post more.
Mafuyu:See Llamarble.
mongoose:See Mafuyu.
ortiz1193:See mongoose.
Rena:Undecided. Seems to be picking out the right things but not addressing them correctly. 55% town, Tuniogen would say if Tuniogen had to.
Robocopter87:Not posting actual content and advocating flawed theorems.
Scott Brosius:Seems fairly town to Tuniogen. Like his calling out of Shado and subsequent reasoning.
ShadoWolf:Don't get Tuniogen started on this one. The NL vote, the arguing of indefensible positions, the lack of actual content beyond his defense. Tuniogen understands this playstyle and has seen it many times over and will give ShadoWolf the benefit of the doubt in this case. Take this as a warning, Shado. Straighten up and fly right.
themanhimself:Neutral. Like his views on Shado (he's neither a newb nor a hydra, for the record) but dislike Ellibereth vote. Any vote can be cloaked in waiting for new information; Tuniogen would like to see his vote elsewhere or justified in its existing place.ShowTun - Tungsten
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In all seriousness, Tuniogen will endeavour to post Tuniogen's thoughts on TwoHeadedBoy and Yasuda sometime today, or tomorrow at the very latest.
P.S. Slaxx has not made any contact since the game started.ShowTun - Tungsten
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And Pie, Tuniogen would like you to elaborate on your comment about Tuniogen's analysis of Shado, specifically how Tuniogen supposedly knows Shado is town. Enlighten Tuniogen.ShowTun - Tungsten
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That's where you're wrong, Fugi. Tuniogen warned Shado to start posting in a more protown manner. "Straighten up and fly right" was not advice, and Tuniogen isdefinitelynot forgiving Shado's actions thus far. You know Tuniogen better than that.ShowTun - Tungsten
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@Exe: Why is Tuniogen scum? Moreover, why is Tuniogen scum WITH TwoHeadedBoy? Why is ShadoWolf possibly a different alignment to Tuniogen and TwoHeadedBoy?ShowTun - Tungsten
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Specifically? It seems like a bad attempt at OMGUS at this point, and Tuniogen can't really see another explanation.Because that's what I read from the discussions you've had.
Shado, please refrain from responding to a quote wall in the form of bolded comments in the same wall; it makes any further correspondance immensely difficult.ShowTun - Tungsten
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Slaxx here, sorry for my late arrival.
Will catch up later. I read on my iPhone earlier in the car, and if I recall correctly, I had town reads on llamarble and THB, which is ironic because one is pushing on the other. I am also fairly sure shado is town in over his head, but more on that later.ShowTun - Tungsten
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Alright, so, here are my thoughts on the game so far. This is slaxx.
, why vote no lynch with no explanation? I almost feel like this is townish: going against the grind cluelessly without really trying to explain yourself or feign concern for others' thoughts. Regardless I want elaboration.Ellibereth
Lady's selective attack on the same issue regarding wolf is interesting.
Not sure if I like Yasuda. We see her press serious issues but then go off and talk about game mechanics. I think she overreacts here:
Then she hops on Wolf for I do believe the same thing Ell did. Once again, its interesting Ell did not get attention for this.Is that level of reasoning possible for you, Lambda?
Of course, the above interactions imply:
Ladyscum+Ell Scum+Wolf town (Lady's selective attack)
Yasuda+Ell Scum+Wolf town (Yasuda's jump on wolf)
Then Yasuda+Ladyscum of different alignments (Overreaction to mild pressure).
From all of this, I would say the most reliable thing I can take from this is that Yasuda and Lady probably aren't partners. Everything else can be explained in a fairly parsimonious way (overlooking Ell's vote, forgetting she no voted, or maybe im overlooking something and there is a difference? Not seeing a substantial one.)
I wanna say THB is town right now.
Keeping my eye on Scott. THB caught it too. His shado vote seems off (I think thats where he was going with it).
THB and lady go back and forth. Ugh wtf is this. /saves for later.
Not for sure how to read Wolf's ell vote.
Exe calls my hydra+thb scum with no evidence, then says shado is town, but is still on his (growing) wagon.
Alright sorry about that, it should catch up some. I still need to read over a few near-the-end walls.ShowTun - Tungsten
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You're serious? I feel like this is playing dumb about the setup at its finest. If you were really concerned I feel like you would have confronted the mod, like so:Exe wrote:
A) So? My reasoning exists in my head and I don't see any reason for anyone else to have to know it.THB wrote:A) You're continuing to offer thoughts with no reasoning.
2) If you think Tuni and this hydra are scum together, but different alignment from Shado, that implies that you think Shado might be town. Yet you're still voting him.
2) Hmm, in a large theme? Nope. I have no reason to believe that the "5 mafia" means only one team, so until otherwise, I think you and Tuni have a connection AND I think Shadow is scum.
@TMH: Better get over it. Your "ultimate scumtell" is pretty outdated. Don't wait around for a "defense."
MOD: Can you confirm that the 5 mafia listed in this semi open set up all share the same wincon, or are at least of the same faction?
Well duh. I can't have a 2-man team and a 3-man team in a 20p game, can I?
Come on now.Last edited by Parama on Fri Jan 07, 2011 1:47 am, edited 1 time in total.ShowTun - Tungsten
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Well, Slaxx totally murdered the third person thing I had going, so I'll be ceasing the Mafuyu-style posting now.
TwoHeadedBoy reads exactly how I would expect a Pie/Fugi hydra to read. Theoretical arguments, a hint of IoA, generally on-to-it reads. I've come to expect this from both of you individually, so it's no surprise to see you doing it as one entity. To answer your question, I think 2HB is town at the moment.
As for Yasuda, I'm personally unsure. Looking at his/her ISO, the only non-useless post is an appeal to LLD. I'm going to trust Slaxx's judgement for the time being.
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And this is why we want to lynch your anti-town ass today.Exe wrote:A) So? My reasoning exists in my head and I don't see any reason for anyone else to have to know it.
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If you have to figure it out (i.e. it's not blatantly obvious), then you should think about testing your intelligence quotient.Yasuda wrote: I don't get it. You say something's scummy, and then leave us to figure out how? What?
Exe wrote:I see no reason why wagoning the people I find scummy is anti-town. The only thing I am NOT doing that might be pro-town, is spending my time convincing others that my scum-reads are the correct ones.
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/facepalm
Slaxx here:
Read Beefster vs Exe interactions and tell me what you see.
Here's a hint: They're both scum. Now would people like me to explain or is content overrated still?
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THB has responded well and been contributing usefully. UNVOTE
I do not approve Rena's calling Exe scummy for joining an RVS wagon; that seems like a perfectly reasonable action. Sheeping onto the shado wagon and pushing it seems a reasonable to move the game forward as well, though presenting accompanying logic would make it more useful. Playstyle is another null tell.
Exe is pretty null for me right now because his playstyle seems easy to fake as scum but also believable from town.
VOTE: RENA
This. I noticed this earlier and meant to say something. Not to mention the overall post was just way overexplained. I got a walking on eggshells feel from it.
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We don't know, because you're telling us sweet fuck all about it. We're not mind readers; for all we know, your thought process so far this game has been non-existant. This is the source of the problem.Exe wrote:@Tuni & THB: I would like either (or preferably both) of you to explain exactly what you think my thought process has been so far this game.
I really want to see how you explain my actions as scum. It should be pretty entertaining.
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I suppose I could attempt it, though.
"herp derp thb and tuni are voting for me, they must be scum. i dont need to give reasoning because its in my head and nobody else needs to know it so to fill the void im gonna make 21 absolutely useless posts. why the fuck are people voting for me?"
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We can't stem motivations because you have been half heartedly explaining your thought processes. Its hardly different from someone who hasnt posted saying "You can't suspect me, I haven't said anything". Sometimes its the lack of something that makes you suspicious.Exe wrote:
So you can't come up with scum motivation for my actions? Then on what grounds are you calling me scum? If there is no motivation, there is no case.Tuni wrote:We don't know, because you're telling us sweet fuck all about it. We're not mind readers; for all we know, your thought process so far this game has been non-existant. This is the source of the problem.
P-Edit: Nice ad hom. Glad to see you have a case. Oh wait.
Why would I think this IF I WAS THE SCUM?Tuni wrote:herp derp thb and tuni are voting for me, they must be scum.
HERP DERP CONTRADICTIONS.
Also, I already said you played fake about not knowing the setup. Who in their right mind would think 3v2v20? or 1v2v2v20? It felt really staged. I know you're smarter than that. You didn't even try to address the issue or rationalize the ratios in your head, quite obviously. Which makes me think you didn't care because you really know. That's a good start. Your aggressive contentless (until pressured with a wagon) push on Shadow doesn't help you either.
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What else would it be?Exe wrote:I don't make assumptions. Until confirmed otherwise, I wasn't going to assume it was a full 5 man scum team.
That was what you have been implying, not thinking because you're right, it wouldn't make sense from a scum standpoint.Oh and nice job ignoring the contradiction I pointed out. Well played.
Oh and nice job taking a few words and falsely blowing them out of proportion and acting like you're off the hook. Well played.
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We're not discussing it.Beefster wrote:
It was confirmed in the first post. WHY ARE WE EVEN DISCUSSING THIS?Parama wrote:This game runs on a semi-open setup.
There are 15TownPlayers.
There are 5MafiaPlayers.
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It'll happen to you too, Pie. Just you wait.TwoHeadedBoy wrote:lol @ so much account usage failure with Tuniogen (both heads)
I concur.Tuniogen wrote:
Great case, 9/10Rena wrote:Unvote, Vote: Tuniogen
Elli, Fate, THB, will you join me???
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Doesn't make him immune from being scum either.Scott Brosius wrote:
Haven't played with Beefster in awhile but he always seems prime for scum to attack for a D1 mislynch. Your discrepancy catch is a good one and Beefster is crawling up my list of scum. But I have bigger fish to fry at the moment.Lateralus22 wrote:your thoughts on Beefster-scum plz.ShowTun - Tungsten
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Robocopter would make a good vig shot.Llamarble wrote:A player defending fine without giving off scum or town tells means I haven't seem aspects of their play making it much more likely they're of one alignment vs. the other. The bit about lining up lynches was explaining I don't think that makes sense as a scumtell early in the game.
I'm pretty sure I never accused Shado of being scum on account of his NL vote, so I don't see where the double standard is there.
I still want Tunio to explain their 80% townread on Elli off of such minimal information.
Dayvig is interesting. Who do we think he should shoot?
I don't recommend Fate since from my experience Fatetown is very valuable. I'd prefer someone scummier and lessuseful.
Maybe the person posting in backwards crap?
Eh I should read more thoroughly before I make more suggestions. But yeah Robocopter is PE1.
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Fate has contributed exactly zero content and is throwing us, the town, off, long after it was confirmed there are no post restrictions. Even after threat of death, he is still refusing point blank to stop this annoying poetic fad and shows no sign of doing so, so he needs to die. If I wanted to read poetry, I'd look at Keats.
Shoot please.
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Cool, now we can move on to Exe.
LOL continuity error.TwoHeadedBoy wrote:1) I thought dayvigging typically means the person has to put Daykill: X
2) If Fate or Exe flips scum, I'm going to get even more suspicious of you.
C) *waits for the flip*
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Shado deserved to die for this alone:
Tuni (I'm not calling you WIN, get over it)
I'm wondering why you would make the illogical leap that curiosity = scum. You WILL answer those questions, because I don't see a town POV for wanting to withold the answers.Scott Brosius wrote:
I've been wondering when scum would not be able to control their curiosity about my role. I'm not answering any of these questions, and I really don't see a town POV wanting to find out.Tuniogen wrote:_______________________________
Dayvig is your second personality, right? Are you limited in terms of shots, when/how you can shoot, how does the role work exactly?
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I'm torn between Tuniogen and Mafuyu for my vote currently.
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LLD, please refrain from answering questions posed at other people in future, thanks.
What the hell does this mean and where did I say it?you were the one who imparted upon me the wisdom that Shado!town=Exe!scum by default.
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Scum already know what his role is, how is elaborating on its mechanics going to hurt the town or conversely aid the scum in any way?We are not going to divulge to the entire town (and thus the scum team) the exact nature, length and utility of Scott's Day Vig. What POSSIBLE pro-town motivation comes from that!
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Unless I'm missing something, those roles don't act during the day.Lady Lambdadelta wrote:Well, let's see. The specific mechanics of his role, such as the length in which he remains in the personality can be used by such roles as a scum redirector or roleblocker.
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chainsaw.themanhimself wrote:So you're still voting beefster, what's your case now?
Am I not voting?
I'll wait a bit for a VC but I am pseudo-voting Beef.
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unvote
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Its whats for dinner. Right now Beef+TMH+ 1-2 non Lady/Scott Shadow Wagoners. Maybe throw in Robo and it looks good to me.ShowTun - Tungsten
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4/10Rena wrote:
NO I DONT NEED A ROBOCOP...Robocopter87 wrote:BURN.
Need some Ice for that burn, TMH?
Haven't read closely enough to be sold on a beefy lynch yet...
You haven't been reading at all, or maybe selectively.
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/waddles in
Robo needs to be dayvigged or nightvigged, I am willing to wait out the cycle for Scott to shoot him. I don't think much info will be garnered from his wagon which is why I want him vigged. If scott shoots Robo, then we save the trouble of having to out more PRs.
I also feel like TMH might be mislynch fodder. I know the consensus is that Exe is townier than he was yesterday, but Beef took a long time to vote Exe. I think that means that there were either quite a few scum already on Exe's wagon or they are buddies.ShowTun - Tungsten
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