THERE ISN'T SUCH ONE FRIEND THAT YOU COULD FIND
HE IS STANDING NEXT TO ME, HE'S ONLY MY ENEMY
I'LL CRUSH HIM WITH EVERYTHING I OWN
~Pie
Penis of Suspicion, clearly.ShadoWolf wrote:What's a PoS?TwoHeadedBoy wrote:PoS: Yasuda
No, but trying to bandwagon a NL is scummy, and then your defense about why you did so was inadequate.ShadoWolf wrote:[/b]Nope. Voting NL in RVS isn't "legitimately scummy" and you know it.TwoHeadedBoy wrote:Penis of Suspicion, clearly.ShadoWolf wrote:What's a PoS?TwoHeadedBoy wrote:PoS: Yasuda
I like wagons, no matter what the other head says. Plus, this one is actually on someonelegitimately scummy.
UNVOTE: Mafuyu,VOTE: ShadoWolf
~Fugi
Voting NL just because you have no scumreads is just idiotic and scummy. A vote on anyone is a better vote than NL, especially on Day 1.ShadoWolf wrote:]Why was my reasoning bad?
Lamb wrote:Why don't you just try actually posting content, or looking for leads, instead of voting NL and saying "herp derp there's nothing to find here".
Then you make your own leads. You scumhunt. You vote people to pressure them. You don't sit back and vote for no lynch.ShadoWolf wrote:There is no leads. This is Day 1. Nothing has happened previously to give us any leads.
Disappointed in wagon. Joins wagon. Clear contradiction is clear.Exe wrote:Wagoning fate? That's disappointing. I like Fate. He's one of the closest players to my mafia style beliefs.
But I definitely can't pass up the biggest wagon.
Vote: Fate
Aggressive confidence. While not necessarily telling in and of itself, I'll address this aggressive below when it continues.Exe wrote:Unvote. Vote: Shadowolf<< is scum. This is not RVS.
Still lacking any real content.Exe wrote:QFT. Lynch this scum.
Still far too aggressive and unhelpful. Pushing the fast lynch on the easy target. Can’t put up any real content and rides off of others’ reasoning.Exe wrote:Is ShadoWolf lynched yet? Hmm...nope.
Then do it yourself, why are implying Exe should do it? It seems to be you're suspicious of everyone that's not 100% on board with the Shado wagon. Don't you think you're counting your chickens a bit prematurely? Then you answered something Shado addressed to Exe for Exe.Lady Lambdadelta wrote:True enough, but I think TwoHeadedBoy needs to be looked at aswell.
There's also the fact that Exe called out themanhimself, who wasn't voting Shado, but not us. Instead, Lady calls us out for not staying on the Shado wagon. Interesting.TwoHeadedBoy wrote:Then do it yourself, why are implying Exe should do it? It seems to be you're suspicious of everyone that's not 100% on board with the Shado wagon. Don't you think you're counting your chickens a bit prematurely? Then you answered something Shado addressed to Exe for Exe.Lady Lambdadelta wrote:True enough, but I think TwoHeadedBoy needs to be looked at aswell.
I'm feeling a Lady/Exe connection, she's playing off him too much for no valid reason.
~Fugi
Not liking this "you don't have a case on me nyeh" attitude. I used to say this a lot as scum. I'll let Fugi address Lamb's other post, though.Lady Lambdadelta wrote:Also, I have a feeling that attack on me was more motivated by the fact that I called you on something, than you actually having a case on me.
Not pushing. I asked a simple question. I'm just curious of your read on Elli. That's all.Lady Lambdadelta wrote:Asking for an Elli opinion. Why do you want an opinion on Elli? I thought Shado wasn't scum fro his NL vote, and yet you continue to push Elli for his? Not gonna slide.
Lady Lambdadelta wrote:Also, directed at the bolded line: if you can find me one post that I have made that is a sheeping of Exe, I'll eat my (very decorated) hat.
I hope you enjoy hats.Lady Lambdadelta wrote:Exe wrote:
Scum with Shadowolf. Lynch #2 found.
True enough, but I think TwoHeadedBoy needs to be looked at aswell.
My other head addressed the Exe part. Sorry, I forgot this. I see the reasoning for the Shado wagon, I understand Shado's reasoning in addition to the NL vote makes him scummy according to others, etc etc. I agree with my other head in that Shado is playing frustrated town.Lady Lambdadelta wrote:Lady Lambdadelta wrote:Here's a question for you: Why did you defend Shado with a "frustrated town" meta, and essentially play down his NL vote, only to ask us to take a look at Elli too?
Reads to me like you're saying "This person did it too! Why Shado? Why not Elli?"
You missed this section. Answer this.
Just because you added a little extra to essentially an "I agree" post doesn't mean it's not sheeping. Logic fail.Lady Lambdadelta wrote:First off, I knew you'd use that, so I'll point out that I suggested that you be looked into as well. Not exactly "sheeping" now is it?
I realize how it started, which I why I pointed out how drastically your views changed in a matter of a few posts. Just because you cast suspicion first doesn't mean you're not being OMGUS-y now. You're just using logical inconsistencies now.Lady Lambdadelta wrote:Secondly, did you just accuse me of OMGUS? I'm sorry. This all started thanks to a comment in which I stated that you were a point of interest for me. Not the other way around.
I am doing no such thing. I'm not actively campaigning for him to not get lynched. He's still scummy, even if I think him probably frustrated town, there's just much bigger fish to fry. Misrepping. +1 scum.Lady Lambdadelta wrote:Thirdly, my opinion changed. I no longer view you as a point of contention. You are full out trying to defend Shado. If he flips scum, you're a HIGHLY likely scum buddy. So yeah, if he flips scum, you're damn right I'm going to string you up.
I like easy questions. You're getting your panties in a bunch after our Exe vote and defedning it. You're agreeing with nearly every point Exe makes. You're denying a CLEAR connection between the two of you (even using stupid reasons like, "well Exe doesn't post content so it can't be buddying.")Lady Lambdadelta wrote:FINALLY, you STILL haven't answered my FUCKING QUESTION. You gave me a bullshit answer of "content has nothing to do with this". LIES. Tell me EXACTLY how I'm playing off of him.
You're welcomeLady Lambdadelta wrote:P-Edit 2: Ok, thanks TwoHeaded
I was just asking your thoughts. Thank you for the reasoning behind your vote, despite it being unprompted. Your response is noted for later.Scott Brosius wrote:My vote for Shado isn't because of his NL vote. If you actually read my vote, instead of probably just looking at the VC, you would see this. Voting for NL is completely null, its the 5th page. So your attempt to point out a discrepancy is baseless (at least in terms of my vote).
Fate and Elli haven't done anything interesting to me.
Thanks for postwhoring, Rich.Tuniogen wrote:Later.
TwoHeadedBoy would like to tell Tuniogen to stop using an over-used, unfunny and disruptive posting gimmick, and hopes Slaxx does not do so when he starts posting.Tuniogen wrote:And Pie, Tuniogen would like you to elaborate on your comment about Tuniogen's analysis of Shado, specifically how Tuniogen supposedly knows Shado is town. Enlighten Tuniogen.
Or we found him... legitimately scummy. You know, like we said.Llamarble wrote:I don't like THB's words "legitimately scummy" for Shado's actions. Sounds a lot like "Yay, I've found somebody I can look town by accusing and it sounds sort of sensible!"
I'm having a hard time understanding what you're saying here, so bear with me. So you're saying we're just pointing out random scummy things out-of-context? Can you give some examples please? This part confuses me. Especially that next comment about misrepping - I think pointing out when someone misrepresents us DOES show we're looking at how they apply to the situation. That kinda contradicts what you just said.Llama wrote:But I find THB scummier for this than Shado because I see this as more of the same pointing out common ideas to look like a contributor without checking closely for how well they apply to the situation (as a townie actually trying to figure things out would). The back and forth misrepping accusations also feel like this to me.
Or maybe when we see people potentially lining up lynches, we point it out because it's scummy. Seriously, now? It's like you instantly went into the "2HB is scum" mindset and you're now viewing everything we've done as scum motivation only. You're not seeing the real picture here.Llama wrote:Accusing people of lining up lynches this early in the game Also sounds like fishing for reasons to find someone scummy. I don't see scum expecting to be able to line up lynches at this point, so unless there is a followup later I don't see this action as "planning lynches." It looks more to me like pointing out a potential scumlink, which is useful content. Again THB looks like scum excited to have found something they can accuse as being buzzword X, fitting into the pattern of "Yay, I've found something to point out without looking bad!"
Or we're pointing out things that are scummy. I don't even know what the hell you're going on about here, please elaborate/reword.Llama wrote:"(meaning he's still scummy, but scummy things you can forgive, which is TERRIBLE)"
Is another THB statement which felt to me like a player getting very excited (enough to bold and caps the statement) about being able to throw in a "legitimate" looking accusation edgewise against another player.
This'll sound like I'm defending Shado, but, don't you think most players, especially in a large game, know that NL is a bad idea on D1? Do you really think Shado intended on his vote leading to a NL as well? Because that's the implication I'm getting from your post. And for what it's worth, even if not intentional, Shado's vote IS producing discussion. Just sayin'.Llama wrote:I don't see how Elli voting no-lynch is particularly scummy; he knows enough not to actually want to no-lynch, and that NL votes tend to do what other RVS votes do, which is produce discussion.
A) You're continuing to offer thoughts with no reasoning.Exe, post 144 wrote:I'm still a fan of the Shadowolf wagon.
THB & Tuni are scum together. Different alignment from shadow maybe.
Parama wrote:Day 1 Vote Count #4
[2] Exe- TwoHeadedBoy, Tuniogen
Exe wrote:THB & Tuni are scum together.
1) YAY SLAXX. YAY NO MORE THIRD-PERSON TALKING.Tuniogen wrote:Slaxx here, sorry for my late arrival.
Will catch up later. I read on my iPhone earlier in the car, and if I recall correctly, I had town reads on llamarble and THB, which is ironic because one is pushing on the other. I am also fairly sure shado is town in over his head, but more on that later.
...Exe wrote:So? My reasoning exists in my head and I don't see any reason for anyone else to have to know it.
Excitement: now a scum-tell. Hand this man an effin' medal. This is too ridiculous to even respond to seriously. Have fun voting us for perceived excitement (that I'm not sure how you even think you can read off of some text anyway).Llamarble wrote:What makes me suspicious of THB is not pointing out scummy things, it's that I get a sense he is excited when he sees something he'll be able to grill somebody over in a way I've noticed myself doing when I've been scum.
GENTLEMEN... BEHOLD... THE GIANT QUIVERING PENIS OF SUSPICION.Yasuda wrote:Not sure what the giant quivering penis of suspicion is for when you don't know how to feel about it. But, hey.
Apparently someone playing terribly, thus playing anti-town (really, when does someone playing badlyExe wrote:THB wrote:This is some of the worst play I've ever seenThis is a bad reason to lynch someone.Nice case scumboy.
Your strategy is anti-town because you're not giving any reasoning or insight, you're running around screaming THIS GUY IS SCUM LYNCH PLZ, which barely generates any discussion (barring the discussion concerning your eventual lynch because of this) or helps anyone else get any reads.Exe wrote:As I said, no one presentsanyreason why my strategy is anti-town, except to repeatedly say it's antitown.
Good thing you're scum that's playing badly then. :UExe wrote:This is crap. You should lynch scum, not "bad play."
You can change your reasoning behind your vote depending if the wagon takes off/a lynch goes through, or if the wagon falls apart. It gives you an easy out either way.Exe wrote:See, this is exactly the argument that is stupid and outdated. You know EXACTLY where I stand. Shado is my scum suspect. You and Tuni are alternate-team scum suspects. In no way will I be able to claim anything otherwise lately.
That's a brick, at best.Exe wrote:Garr you guys made me post a Wall-o-text.
10/10 voteScott Brosius wrote:Well until you start posting outside of poems, this is where my vote goes.
Unvote
Vote:Fate
I'm going to have to side with Tuni and say that we're not mind readers. Besides, I've already explained the possible reasoning behind your actions. I dislike repeating myself.Exe wrote:@Tuni & THB: I would like either (or preferably both) of you to explain exactly what you think my thought process has been so far this game.
Eh. Not seeing Tuniscum right now. A few things here and there have been "off" (specifically his Lamb/Shado reads on his list earlier are still bugging me), but Tuni seems to be contributing a bit. Of course, I have a feeling there's a certain reason why you picked these three players, so I'd like you to elaborate on both that and your case.Rena wrote:Unvote, Vote: Tuniogen
Elli, Fate, THB, will you join me???
I understand what breadcrumbing is, but I don't get how Fate posting in poetry is a role breadcrumb. Maybe I'm being super slow today. Either way, pointing out possible role breadcrumbs isn't exactly protown. If you're talking about Fate just fake breadcrumbing a post restriction... I don't think the word breadcrumb is necessary at all. Your posts confuse me.themanhimself wrote:Well bread-crumbing is the act of leaving subtle hints that you have a certain role so that if you're forced to claim you can bring them up and have a better case. Fake bread-crumbing is doing this for a role you don't actually have, i.e. mafia trying to fake-claim something. The bottom line is, if fate just likes poetry then why couldn't (s)he have just said that and posted in poetry? (S)he was trying to fool us into actually believing (s)he had a post-restriction and there must be a reason for it. There aren't a lot of town reasons one would do that.TwoHeadedBoy wrote: @theman: Fake bread-crumbing? I don't understand. Elaborate, please.
~Pie
TwoHeadedBoy (287) wrote:@Lat: Post 160 (Beefster) is a good catch. ... I'll give Beefster a minor FoS, but we have scummier people to deal with.
Scott Brosius (297) wrote:Your discrepancy catch is a good one and Beefster is crawling up my list of scum. But I have bigger fish to fry at the moment.
I'M NOT SUSPICIOUS THAT WAS MY OTHER HEADCupcakePanda wrote:That was Kat, I have no idea why that was said, but I have a sneaking suspicion Kat isn't really paying a lot of attention to this game or just flying by the seat of his pants (though I too haven't been paying a lot of attention, so not all fault can be on Kat).
Wait, let me guess... just clarifying?Robocopter87 wrote:Just clarifying. Just clarifying.
1) I thought dayvigging typically means the person has to putScott Brosius wrote:I never really intended to shoot Fate. I was just seeing if he would bow down to my demands easily. I would actually be more suspicious if the poetry crap stopped. It's still annoying to read, but there seems to be some content.
Obviously a vig on the main wagon is a better idea as it provides info. I vigged ShadoWolf.
A) They were the only people with more than one vote on them.CupcakePanda wrote:Why top 4?TwoHeadedBoy wrote:
Dear Scott,
Shoot one of the top 4 wagons, please.
In this situation, 2 votes is okay grounds for a shot, IMO. Regardless, Fate's content in his stories/poetry has been minimal (if at all existant), it's mostly just regurgitating info. Robo hasn't contributed much either and he knows this. So either way, these two were good kills.CupcakePanda wrote:Why does 2 votes justify a daykill?
How is 2 votes any different from just one?
Uh-huh. Especially considering your first few posts in this game. Although I'm willing to bet there's a buddy of yours on there as well. Either Lamb or Mafuyu IMO, if I had to call another person on the scumteam right now. In fact, all six of you (pre-Shadowshot wagon) aren't exactly the most protown - either all of them are null or scummy/anti-town reads for me.Exe wrote:Lol. Right. I'm the scum on the Shado wagon...not the 5 people who followed me onto the wagon. That's really your first assumption?.
I've bolded the scum-slip. He's detached from the town and wants them to read his slot fairly. Then he goes on to give content that's completely ridiculous meta-based assertions even though he's replacing out. Scum.ortiz1193 wrote:Request Replacement
I feel like a douche for this, but it's the first game I've ever replaced out of so I'll get over it. I honestly can't keep up with this game so I'll nip it in the budbefore I screw the town out of a slot to read.I've got finals this week and if I put this game off longer than tomorrow I'll end up 50 pages behind at the rate this is going.
I singled out THB first because I've played with both of them a ton and thought I'd be able to get a good read on them. Not sure if I'm confident the slot is scum or not, but I don't like the reactions to my points/questions. THB pretty much just dismissed them and made remarks to get out of it. Hopefully you guys will pay attention to them.
Sorry everyone. Good luck.
Lol.Beefster wrote:It looked like a soft claim... But there's one problem. He can't be a daycop twice. So either one is gut, both are gut, or THB is scum.Exe wrote:Of course you did. Scum know exactly who the townies are. Do you wantz a cookiez?THB wrote:1. I told you guys Shado was town.
FoS: THB
I don't really think you're town so I don't care about how much you love my explanation, even though I don't know what explanation you're talking about.CupcakePanda wrote:Not loving the explanation, THB.
That's not my only reason. It was that coupled with my interactions with ortiz earlier in the game. All the misrepping and fake scum-tell he was throwing around.Scott Brosius wrote:2. This is a stretch to me. This reads as someone who has detached themselves from the game rather than scum. It's a really weak basis for a case.
Hmm, our purple lasts 5 days. Sound like everyone'll be mixing and matching color personalties eventually. Interesting.Lateralus22 wrote:Also a miller btw, Purple personality (4 Days)
Scum don't know the PRs. We all have 5 personalities. It's likely everyone has at least one PR personality color.Lateralus22 wrote:Just wondering should ALL millers claim?
Pros
Multiple confirmed townies
If any scum claim miller you simply need to investigate them on a non miller day and boom you got scum, unless you investigated them on a god father day
Cons
Scum know the pr's and don't have to worry about a few townies on some personality days.
Not necessarily, I'm merely pointing out that that's a false leap there. It's a fake scum-tell.Scott wrote:Given your opinion that I'm falsely accusing Tuni, I can assume you want my to reveal the mechanics of my power as well?
I believe that Parama is a competent enough moderator to know that such a glaring difference between similar roles would most likely break the game.themanhimself wrote:I'm just saying when a townie is a day-vig, they post in-thread. When scum is an assassin, they PM the mod.
Llamarble wrote:We're now at L - relatively small number, I think.
themanhimself wrote:Perfectly willing to hammer here, just lemme know when we're ready.
themanhimself wrote:Vote: Beefster since it's not a hammer
>implying not listing every single one of my scumreads and only my top 3 means they're not on my scumlist anymoreFate wrote:Oh good lord all I read was the vote for theman...TwoHeadedBoy wrote:VOTE: themanhimself
Scott is next on my list for that nifty little soft defense on Beefster. LL after that.
SCOTT is next on his list? AND LLD? Two OBVTOWNTOWNIES?
FUck this noies.
THB DIES TODAY.
LOOK AT THE SUDDEN FUCKING LACK OF MAFUYU, CUPCAKE, AND MARBLE FROM HIS SCUMREADS.
KILLKILLKILL I HAVE TO MAKE UP FOR D1 WHEN I WASNT HERE
^Ellibereth wrote:I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON
Lady Lambdadelta wrote:One of my roles is cop. Last night I invested Fate, and I ended up getting a guilty result. On Rena.
Rena wrote:WE ARE TOWN JAILKEEPER AND WE JAILKEPT MAFUYU LAST NIGHT.
themanhimself wrote:Alright, last night I roleblocked Rena.
These are all the claims today, right? In that order?Ellibereth wrote:I REDIRECTED LADY TO RENA.