Simpsons Mafia (Game Over)

[boberz]

Can't wait to get into this game, Simpsons is a cool theme.

There were words of hydras in the signup thread, who are they exactly (the debate seemed to be ongoing in the signup thread).

[boberz]

Loving the beavers wagon at the moment it just seems as if loads of people have decided to take the moral highground as an excuse to vote. Better than random I suppose.

vote DH

reasons should be obvious.

[boberz]

I am voting DH because ofhis plan for a mass character claim, shocking idea.

I believe we should know the people behind the hydras, but I do not care hugely.

[boberz]

Lazy at best and possibly opportunistic justification for that vote. Making out that it's really scummy just because it's a bad idea.

This was a response to a question posed to me. I am not making out it is

really

scummy; but it is the best reasoning available so far and it is not acceptable to call for that sort of thing on page 1. [Whether or not it was to get us out of RVS]

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Haha and everyone follows Fonz on the wagon. Nonesense.

[boberz]

Llama - it is not scummy to vote beavers for it, and I have not read supernatural.

[boberz]

I didnt ote in first post, because I had nobody to vote for.

[boberz]

I dont like RVS but this belongs in MD

[boberz]

not only implying something in the first post and completely changing the reasoning when the Fonz called him out, but giving weak, lazy reasoning when pressured by the wagon.

This is bollocks. I never changed reasoning and never implied anything other than the reasoning I gave The Fonz.

I will get round to something better tomorrow.

[boberz]

First, it was cause of my vote on Beavers.

When was this, quote it at me.

[boberz]

Tradgedy did not look good, diddin had it right when he suggested that tradgedy was trying too hard to look town.

Also tradgedy seemed a step behind, DH was not seriously suggesting a role claim yet tradgedy is speaking as if that is what is being disputed. It is not it is more people's (my) reactions to it that is being debated.

[boberz]

Which (Tradgedy being a step behind) is scummy because...?

It was being used as something to comment on other than game relevant things. Of course he could just be not reading very closely. But I think avoiding commenting on two (or was it even three) building wagons and instead making up some nonesense to comment on cannot go unmentioned.

I should point out that I am not happy that you can get away with anything just because it was a gambit to get out of RVS, imagine somebody new had replied to DH's request, there are ways and means. However I am prepared to accept that it is not scummy, because it probably is not.

So I am going to

unvote vote DarkBlueEyes

I agree with those who suggest his initial votes did not look random
It is more for the lying about the votes rather than the votes themselves I am worried about.

[boberz]

DBE, apologies for spelling (as people have notice not my strong point) and gender. My third point stands, quite frankly I dont believe your explanations.

Tragedy, again apologies for spelling of name. However I do not remember saying you 'were trying to look town' I am fairly certain there was more content around that.
I also do not understand most of your large post, I am fluent in English (despite my spelling and grammar failings) so could you please explain it again.

I'm just wondering if it's coincidence that you moved your vote off of me after a votecount and after it was shown that my wagon died.

It was a ninja post, but your wagon dying had something to do with it yes.

[boberz]

DBE has been on the site more than two years but fails to understand basic things such as random role dispersal. Something just does not ring true for me.

So far this page has been almost exclusively jason v DH. I frankly dont care about those two at the moment. DH seems like he is trying to help (although I would question the extent to which he is) and jason is also.

[boberz]

Vote: Sleepless Assassin

FoS has been removed temporarily, until Sleepless Assassin removes his vote from me or does something more/less suspicious.

Is voting for you inherently scummy tradgedy?

[boberz]

jason is looking for too much of an easy target with his "needs" slip. It is clear that tragedy has a survivalist approach (to some extent atleast) whichever faction and so 'needs' fits into this understanding of motivation.

However tragedys vote clearly is an OMGUS (an overused term however) and not based on any kind of logic. It is very hard to play mafia when people like tragedy and DBE are wandering around town.

Tragedy, why vote with a suggestion you may choose to unvote? Does that not reduce its effectiveness?

[boberz]

Apologies if I was ambiguous. I was suggesting that jason was

looking for

too obvious a slip, when the point I was questioning was more the OMGUS/survivalistic nature of the vote.

Although it appears to have already been cleared up.

[boberz]

Tragedy seriously needs to improve.

In other news I maybe VLA till Monday, I hope not.

[boberz]

Wow that was hard to catch up on. I am not going to embark on a huge wall catchup post. But I will address some things aimed at me, or that I found worthy of a mention:

Boberz, why is it "clear" that Tragedy's play style is survival first regardless of alignment? As town, shouldn't she be hunting scum before worrying about one vote on her?

She should indeed. But this survivalistic attitude is not one she ‘should’ be making so obvious as scum either. I am not clearing her because of it, but it annoys me more than anything else.

A) If you want her lynched, and pushing her as scum implies you do, you aren't interested in convincing me to vote her

“As scum implies you do”??? Who is the scum accusing Deer of this???

boberz-Can't really make up my mind. All scuminess seems pretty well explained for town too

I am not liking the amount SA keeps saying there is some kind of case against me that can be equally explained as either alignment, if there is one it has evaded my notice. It is almost like floating in texas-hold-em, he is just holding onto this so he can pick it up in a few days time if it suits him.

That wasn't a defense of Wraith,

If anything this post (in my opinion) makes it more likely that if one flips scum the other will also.

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In summation:

I want DBE to come back and talk some more.
I want trgedy to get better.

I have a scum meta of wraith somewhere. Wraith was under suspicion for not attempting to scumhunt if I remember correctly, will dig this out and have a reread at some point.

The game was broken (and hence this being somewhat undermined) because of two players perfect meta of each other (one was scum and one was town) and the fact furcolow was speaking to his scumbuddies openly in thread.

[boberz]

Predit: That game? The one that Furcolow fucked up? That's not really a good meta game, because I tried to take a dive to avoid revealing anymore of my scumteam's hand. Unfortunately, my teammates didn't take the hint and ruined it.

As I said my meta is somewhat undermined. And I agree that furcolow was the dick. And he remains on my blacklist for that, and other things.

[boberz]

Boberz, again, what gives you the impression that Tragedy plays for survival regardless of alignment?

I have done this already. Tragedy has no incentive to deliberately look to want to survive. Tragedy is clearly attempting to appear this way (the shameless OMGUS for example) therefore I conclude that tragedy wants to look like somebody who is a survivalist. Therefore tragedy must have survivalist tendancies. Do not ask again, it is distracting and pointless.

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On the Darla stuff. A few things:

Firstly that wagon cleared so quickly that if Darla is scum then I am betting that somebody who came off the wagon is bussing scum looking for an excuse to jump off it.

Secondly I do not think it should be treated as a pre L-1 vote, I believe Darla thought it was L-1 and his lack of awareness ingame is evidence to support this theory.

Thirdly Groundskeeper Willy is 'bad' in several episodes (if I remember correctly, my simpsons is a bit rusty) and certainly does not fit what I would imagine as a VT in this game.

Fourthly, for those of us not enlightened, what is so town like about DBE according to those fleeing his wagon?

[boberz]

Boberz's wagonvote based on Meta is awful.

based on meta??? Where has anything I have done been based on meta. I dont even have meta, unless I am mistaken?
Atleast read the wagon correctly before you criticise it.

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@Darla, you cannot make a flavour claim then moan when people analyse the flavour.

[boberz]

Other than one post on Hiraki, has Wraith really got better? He has tried to look better, with comments on the claim then moaning about claim speculation.

[boberz]

I read the KageLord stuff earlier as goading a claim also. For him to imply that it came across differently is short sighted considering several people have now mentioned it.

Meanwhile, tragedy should spend the amount of time she spends on the game reading, then she woul dbe caught up.

Meanwhile, Kage Lord should format his posts better they are impossible to read.

Meanwhile. I have got back from hospital today, and am a bit drugged up for a while posting may not be as good or as frequent as before for a little while.

[boberz]

@mod can you confirm the backup mod has all info required to do a night if we end early?

Yep, all prepared. If a lynch occurs while I am gone, night actions should still be sent to me.

[boberz]

Mist, please do a little bit of thinking.

[boberz]

Nobody has articulated to my satisfation why DBE's claim suddenly made everyone bugger off his wagon.

[boberz]

Perhaps you should try and organise your town reads then llama. I am getting fed up of people moaning at everywagon that pops up. Find the alternative, and orchestrate a decent bandwagon.

[boberz]

I dont see the DBE town thing at all he feels scummy, but I fell out of th eknow somehow. Which is why I have not been pushing it.

I dont hate the kage wagon I just think dbe has been scummier and kage has only done a couple of things, neither lynchworthy.

I misread your post earlier, I thought you had said kage wagon was townreads at best (not at worst). So I thought you were bitching without an alternative.

[boberz]

Jason misread it the way I did. I think llama is suggesting the kage wagon is superior.

[boberz]

Someone tell me why DBE is so town like!!! Or have you all signed the Official Secrets Act.

[boberz]

Ok we disagree completely then, I thin the way a few people suddnely deserted the wagon on very weak reasoning screamed of bussers getting off.

[boberz]

Speaking of relations, if Mist was Town, Scum would be bending over backwards to do everything in their power to fire off a nice mislynch. That's not happening.

TBH this could be a backward way of being that scum getting mislnched. Certainl how it read to me.

Still not hugely with it, this diazepan is strong stuff.

Will bviusl vte to get a lynch but Ill be around again before it is necessary.

[boberz]

Speaking of relations, if Mist was Town, Scum would be bending over backwards to do everything in their power to fire off a nice mislynch. That's not happening.

TBH this could be a backward way of SensFan being that scum getting mislnched. Certainly how it read to me.

Still not hugely with it, this diazepan is strong stuff.

Will obviously vote to get a lynch but Ill be around again before it is necessary.

[boberz]

Flavur?

[boberz]

How does Homer investigate people Mist? Paraphrase, dont quote. Paraphrasing is allowed. I am not convnced wth this qt thing at all.

edit:

vote mist

[boberz]

I voted mist because I was not happy with his claim.

My meds have been reduced but still on a fair bit of stuff so if I still post incoherently sometimes please ask me to resay it because I can still think as well as before so I can still be useful.

vote DBE

Nothing has changed in regard to my read of him during the night (II did a reread). So I still think he is scummy.

[boberz]

DBE

[boberz]

unvote dbe but he is still scum

vote jason

not buying hibbert as a doc. at all.

[boberz]

unvote

dont wkknow what I was thinkn g

vote DBE

As you were.

[boberz]

Ok I have not read the posts since I last posted yet. Sorry, I am just checking in to say that a proper post will occur tomorrow.

[boberz]

Loads has happened while i have been away.

Not buyng hibbert as a doc at all. And I can now talk coherently btw.

SHE CLAIMED A CONFIRMABLE ROLE!!!

Loads of people seem to have been sayng this and it is true. However it would reveal another simpson (who may well be prs) and that power was claimed retrospectively ie after she had claimed cop. And that is an insanely strong role. There were reasons to doubt that claim.

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Mod wifom. Sipsons charachters strong prs saving sprngfield (town) from some kind of threat (nuclear power plant). hibbert is town needing to be saved therefor no power therefor lying jason.

vote jason

Shame he is not in the 9, I will be reading the nine players to get a better understanding of them. BUt for now this will do.

[boberz]

Bob do you have any evedience towards what you are saying about Simpsons with strong PRs... or are you actually playing outguess the mod?

Homer very strong pr
Suggestion of simpsons v nuclear power plant reminds me of an episode where something similar occurs and it was the family who had to take on the world.
THe simpsons film was essentially homer uber strong and family fairly strong. Everybody else powerless.

Also element of outguess mod.
Also rolefishing noted.

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Mariyta and boberz or ribwich. Bookmark it. Now back to our regularly scheduled programme

May I ask why.

[boberz]

The Fonz and SensFan seriously need to shut up. I am online all the time and stuggling to keep up, you are helping the lurkers lurk.

And a doctor confirmed or not should not be orle fishing. Although looking for those who breadcrumb or reveal role info accidentally is not optimal. (more at wraith than jason)

[boberz]

Why Fonz given the tracer result?

[boberz]

Sorry Mari.

My 1108 was directed @ Boberz

In which case, I was only interested in fonz in that post because wraith was not on that wagon and I will not support a lynch of somebody on the traced wagon. I dont trust

this

most town's odds scumhunting against the odds given by the tracer. I am accepting the claim on face value for now.

I still have not had time to reread other people yet. Because it took so long reading the walls on the last few pages when catching up. DBE is still scum though.

[boberz]

He only has 10 posts diddin.

Consiligliere is both confsed and confuses me.

[boberz]

I don't like Boberz voting Jason for the doc claim. The unvote is just . . .WTF. He gets a few comments defending Jason and just goes "what was I thinking". Dunno, the whole situation is just off.

Just skimmed this and saw this. I was heavily medicated at that point and cannot truly remember doing it forget why. I understant you might not want to believe me but there is nothing more I can say.

[boberz]

Consigliere. It would never get to three or four mislynches. That is the point. With two we would get suspicious and get rid of sens. Then we would either have the game won (more or less) or indeed have oft a scum and ahve loads of info.

[boberz]

Tragedy you need to do a massive reread! Not only did you miss that important detail bt you missed others reminding others of that detail!!

[boberz]

SA stop whining about catching up and just bloody catchup.

[boberz]

vote tragedy

kind of echoing the above t some exteny.

I just struggle to believe it isnt tragedy given the odds.

[boberz]

boberz:

There's not really a whole lot in boberz's ISO that's particularly worth commenting on, but I think he's town. He's been fairly consistent this entire game, and the majority of his votes feel genuine if nothing else. I would like him to explain the Tragedy vote, though.

Not much to explain. I think the increased odds of hitting scum on that wagon are better than my odds at scumhunting. SO picking the most useless one off that wagon makes a lot of sense. Dont read me as a polict lyncher for I am not normally, but I believe this policy has nearly a 50% chance of succeeding before even accounting for a town read or two I have on that non-wagon.

I also want an alternative to the Nacho wagon as I felt it a bit forced. Ill be prepared to review that later but it is not where I am turning now.

[boberz]

Meh, you know the drill, there'll be less scums on the smaller wagon now.

Exactly so that is why we are going to lynch you.

[boberz]

Pay the hell attention

This is true of so many people over so many things. People should spend a greater % of time reading.

[boberz]

More catchup walls from kagelord. I really dont like catchup walls. Write them to yourself then pick the bits that are still relevant/important to comment on at the end!!!

[boberz]

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 7#p2760557 - this felt catchupy to me. 5days in between this and the one before also.

But it was fewer than I was expecting granted. You are not the only person to have been doing it though loads of people seem to think they have a right to make us read reams of old text just because they have fallen behind.