Mafia of the Chosen Ones (Game Over!)

[VasudeVa]

Best 9 pages I have ever read.

*thumbs up on the Vezok PL*.
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Scum: Mothrax and Guderian.

Vote: Guderian

I am fine with killing both.

[VasudeVa]

Yo Andy! What do you think of Katsuki, mothrax and Guderian?
Other people please answer too if you like.

[VasudeVa]

I approve Fate's #238.

MOTHRAX IS INDEED MUCH TOWNIER THAN WHEN HE WAS A SCUMBAG THREE GAMES IN A ROW.

How?

Yes, Andy. Katsuki is female. <3.

[VasudeVa]

It took 5 hours for the PL to happen. More than enough time for scum and their buddies to huddle up in their daytalk QT.

[VasudeVa]

I think the full battery lynch helped the dark side more,

This requires explanation.

[VasudeVa]

@VasudeVa: Do you think they're partners?

Right now I do. Why do you ask? Are we against 2 scumteams or something?

PS: RF is FoS worthy right about now. Also, I'm not used to seeing an active inHim. o.O

[VasudeVa]

Reads forced as hell. "Yeah I think they're partners, what ever do you mean? theres two scumteams? ohhh i didn know that >_>" THIS POST CAME AFTER RAYFROSTS AND EVEN IF IT DIDNT IT DID.

OH HAI VVSCUM, NICE TO SEE YOU AGAIN.

Why does it read forced? Are you questioning the structure of the sentence or something?

Sadly, I'm also getting mixed scum-vibes from VV. I'll detail later on.

BRO DRIUS, I CANNOT BELIEVE YOU SUSPECT ME. WHYY??

I've heard nothing but good things about VV but have yet to see any of those things be accurate in this game.

People...say things about me?

Also @Everyone: I'm very strongly of the belief that we should end the day by a week from today (that is, next Friday, January 21st), if not sooner.

Agreeing with this. I recall thinking that last game that the TownSeraphs got more use of their powers than the Mafia ones.

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I am seeing nothing but bad things on Katsuki. Katsuki vs. Magua, katsuki seemed extra slow and seemed like she was avoiding to answer by feigning ignorance. I don't remember her being that dull. She was also thickheaded when I was questioning her in LOTR Mafia.

Vote: Katsuki

SCUMSUKI, WE MEET AGAIN. HAVE AT THEE.

[VasudeVa]

I can always move my vote. I like the idea of a dead Guderian. However, I'd like to take some time to read someone that I know I can read. I agreed with Magua because I just like the Jan 21st deadline. I hate stretching out deadlines, especially since lynching early actually has a strategical value in this game.

[VasudeVa]

Fuck you president guys confuse me. All them old timey American presidents look alike.

[VasudeVa]

HEy FATE. Gimme a cliff notes version of the Kitoari case plx. I woulkd read but I'm very very high.

[VasudeVa]

Thanks fATe! It's tough to reaad when you cantt stop laughng.

I appropve the Kitoari wagon. But I wanna stay on my lonely loenly Katsuki wagon for now.

[VasudeVa]

I do not approve of VasudeVa's vote on Katsuki.

This is odd. Why? Do you think Katsuki is Town? What makes my vote wrong?

[VasudeVa]

Can Die In A Fire As Far As I'm Concerned:

1. AGar: Has yet to post. He's annoyed that he's scum in this game as well as MoHO.
8. Furcolow: Has yet to post.

13. Katsuki: Posts have yet to indicate she's even reading this game.

Also, don't like VasudeVa. Going after the easy Katsuki-lynch. VasudeVa voting Guderian is another reason that I'm ok with lynching Kitoari.

Scum caught.
1. I am the only one voting for Katsuki. I don't think it's anywhere near classifiable as an easy lynch.
2. He is attacking me and avoiding the Guderian wagon because he apparently likes another alternative and listed the above as reasons.
3. Magua has called Katsuki scummy at one point(See quote.)

Magua + Katsuki + Guderian scumteam.

LYNCH AHOYY!!

Vote: Magua

because I'm more sure here.

[VasudeVa]

God damnit people, you people ninja['d my moment. T_T.

[VasudeVa]

EBWOP:

Can Die In A Fire As Far As I'm Concerned:
1. AGar: Has yet to post. He's annoyed that he's scum in this game as well as MoHO.
8. Furcolow: Has yet to post.

13. Katsuki: Posts have yet to indicate she's even reading this game.

Also, don't like VasudeVa. Going after the easy Katsuki-lynch. VasudeVa voting Guderian is another reason that I'm ok with lynching Kitoari.

Scum caught.
1. I am the only one voting for Katsuki. I don't think it's anywhere near classifiable as an easy lynch.
2. He is attacking me and avoiding the Guderian wagon because he apparently likes another alternative and listed the above as reasons.
3. Magua has called Katsuki scummy at one point(See quote.)

Magua + Katsuki + Guderian scumteam.

LYNCH AHOYY!!

Vote: Magua

because I'm more sure here.[/quote]

[VasudeVa]

I took time to dig around. >.>. Soo, are we lynching Magua or what?

[VasudeVa]

Katsuki is an inviting target. She's not a strong presence, she doesn't defend well, and she just naturally looks scummy. VV seems aware of all these things, but treats them as scummy instead of null for her.

Yeahh. I've seen Katsuki scum twice.I was her scumbuddy once. I've caught her as scum in another game. I think that I can read her and I wanted to by voting her. However, you have a weird little distancing relationship with her that feels unnatural. You first questioned her for a long time about some stuff she said and then you dropped it and you immediately went to other people. Feels unatural as fuck, reads as distancing. TRy again.

Congratulations on quoting what I post. CDIAFAFAIC means I can't read them because they've posted exactly zero relevant things to the game. This =/= scum. You want to quote the category above that. The one that already included Kitoari.

So what you're saying is that: In your ISO #26, your incredibly long 'Don't Like' list is your 'Scum list' and your short 'Can Die In A Fire' List is your.....neutral lurker list?

. That's quite a list, hmm?

[VasudeVa]

You've seen Katsuki-scum twice, you've been her scum-buddy once. You're really good at reading her. Yet you're more certain about me than about her, and you don't seem to give a rats' ass about getting anyone else to vote her.

She ignored my vote, and hopped onto the Kitoari wagon.
You're hopping onto the Kitoari wagon.

What an awful coincidence.

Correct. Shocking, I know.

Or, wait, what? You thought I said "lol the 2 ppl who havent posted r both scumz w/ the girl not talkin bout the game" and you thought that was fine and not worth commenting on the first time you read it?

I call bullshit, backtracking scum.
I cannot consider that incredibly long 'Don't Like' list to be your scum list and that 'Can Die in Fire' list as your neutral lurkers + Katsuki list. And besides, who puts neutral lurkers in a 'Can die in a Fire' list when there were plenty of lurkers in the 'Don't Like' list.
Why was Guderian, also a lurker, not in the Neutral lurkers + Katsuki? Why the hell is Katsuki even there if she was a Neutral Lurker?

After your long argument with Katsuki, I cannot see why you two would suddenly hop onto the Kitoari wagon without even raising suspicion to each other. Think that you can get away with that, huh?

[VasudeVa]

EBWOP: Why the hell is Katsuki even there if she was a not a Lurker?

[VasudeVa]

I've seen this garbage before so don't try it. "Someone called me scum, responding this way is pro town so if I do it I can deflect their suspicion". It's transparent. Also, your "getting people to take positions" involves asking me if I think people on my scum list are scum.

Jack is so Town.

Yet you're more certain about me than about her, and you don't seem to give a rats' ass about getting anyone else to vote her.

Well DUH. She has yet to react to my initial push on her. (Read: She ignored my vote.).

Plus, your backtracking is scummier. Am I supposed to only go after people I'm confident in reading?

So then you think the post was "lol the ppl who havent posted at all r the scumz, votepl0x"? A simple "yes" or "no" will do.

Yes. "Can die in A Fire" implies more hate than that long 'Don't like' list therefore it is more understandable to put that short list as the scum list. I think you are backtracking and I won't let you weasel out on this.

My argument with Katsuki is entirely that she should read the game and participate. Feel free to quote anything of mine that says otherwise. Furthermore, feel free to ignore quotes of mine like these that support my point and not yours

Okay then, I shall gladly ignore them!

[VasudeVa]

Hmmm. Kito's lynch definitely brings some stuff on the table.

What do you guys think of the smoke on Magua's #526? I'm thinking that ye gods are telling us something.

[VasudeVa]

Vote: Magua

[VasudeVa]

Yes. The seraph at the QT are giving smoke or making stuff glow whenever they dislike or like something. They also do other stuff, like give powers.
Although that could also come from the evil Seraph. But last game, evil Seraphs rarely ever used it because they had a lower faith income.

[VasudeVa]

-A small glow surrounds RayFrost as of post 547...
-RayFrost shines in radiant glory as of post 547...

Hello proof that scum seraph is messing with us~
Hello Town seraph too~

Not sure what this means yet though. >.>

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BS is scum too.

That just rubs me wrong. The questions aren't too bad, but the quote name bit is ridicule Dismiss by ridicule(?)

I like to make fun of people. Sue me. Are you saying that this makes me likely to be scum?

iso #12. & 14 Quotes Magua saying that he'll continue to vote for Kit, then calls Magua caught scum. As far as I can see Magua's quotes are saying that Vas is going after easy lynches on lurkers, and not someone scummy.

2/10
Miss Baby Spice, studier of ISOs:
I went after people in this order ->
Guderian(voted), Mothrax, RF, Katsuki(voted), Kitoari, Magua(voted), BS(just recently).
Are all of them lurkers?

What do you think of the following people:
Magua
Katsuki
RF

[VasudeVa]

What the fuck was with that hammer? You people know that Seraphs have a Maximum Faith right?
PS. Furco is Town. A moron, but Town.

People I am willing to vote for:
Baby Spice
Magua
Katsuki

Vote: Magua

Don't understand why people keep defending him.

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Vas, what do you think of Nacho?

He's one of them president guys right? He's consistent to my meta on him, he's a lazy BWer. Not much beyond that.

KAt is probable town if VV is scum.

This needs explanation. Why do you think so? Do you find this similar to when I went after her at LOTR Mafia? Why can't we be the same alignment?

[VasudeVa]

2) What happened to your "confident read" on Katsuki that you're still not acting on?

What confident read? I said I was confident in reading her(ie. The action of attempting to get an alignment read.), I did not claim to have a confident read(ie. The actual read of an alignment.)

You're twisting my words. Can you point out in my ISO where I stated that I had a "confident read" on her? The closest I have ever found was:

Yeahh. I've seen Katsuki scum twice.I was her scumbuddy once. I've caught her as scum in another game. I think that I can read her and I wanted to by voting her.

There is nothing in that sentence that states that I had a read on her. I was in the process of getting the read, until you came along.

24. VasudeVa: His words do not correlate with his actions.

Requires explanation. Preferably with quotes and shit.

Because you've been voting him for the past couple days. And pushing BS and Magua while voting Kat.
I don't really remember early-game stuff; D3 and later, yes. Especially you and Fate arguing for ten pages. lol
I have no idea. You talk to them Seraphs about alignment confirming us

I've been voting...who? My voting history is Guderian -> Katsuki -> And then Magua for a long time. Possibly not moving actually.

Early game stuff was me making a case against Katsuki. She was strangled before I had the pleasure of lynching her though.

Vas, what do you think of Nacho?

Town, because he was pretty damn early on the Kitoari lynch.
Why do you suspect Nacho? Nacho always follows Fate, especially early on(Ongoing game meta though.). He's like Fate's unrequited BFF. The stuff you posted against him are pretty much null.

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@Jack:

What's your take on Andy, being former scumbuddies(Greek Myth), and formerly Andy-scum dead thread whiner(Trader Mafia)?

[VasudeVa]

!!!!! ATTENTION JACK !!!!!!

@Jack: What's your take on Andy, being former scumbuddies(Greek Myth), and formerly Andy-scum dead thread whiner(Trader Mafia)?

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Which is it?
Is Katsuki scum? If so, your read on her must be confident.
Is Katsuki not scum? If so, why are you willing to vote for her?

HERE IT IS IN AN INCREDIBLY VERBOSE EXPLANATION THAT WILL NEVER BE MISUNDERSTOOD EVER.

"I, Vasudeva, do not have a scumread on Katsuki

yet

. I think Katsuki is showing some indication that she is scum to some behavior that I have seen from her before when she was scum. This makes me suspicious of her. In light of that, I started to pressure her with my vote in an attempt to actually get a read on her which is my goal. She did not respond nor did she pay attention to my vote.

My vote was very lonely at that point. Until I had a sign! Magua came along with his #ISO 26 in which he put Katsuki in the "Can Die in A Fire" category which made me really suspicious of Magua. I, VasudeVa, switched my vote to Magua due to that argument we had where I caught him backtracking with his categories.

I am much more sure that Magua is scum and my read of Katsuki can wait another day because I am more sure that Magua is scum than I am that Katsuki is scum. Due to the recent lack of support for a Magua lynch, I stated that I am willing to vote Katsuki so that I may proceed to get a read on her, which was what I was planning to do until Magua rudely interrupted me with his scumminess."

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Some bullshit caps in there that's typical Fate. Nothing to see there. I still want a dead Magua. Can someone give me a dead Magua?

@Andy:

1. What's your read on Katsuki? (Shitty piggy back votes do not count as reads.) Why do you post links of her as "obv.scum" when you have claimed to not remember D1 and D2 of LOTR Maf?
2. You keep calling me scum, but you have yet to post any form of case on me. All I have from your ISO is: "Getting scumvibes from VV", "If Kat is Town, VV is scum" and "I have scum read on VV". No case.

[VasudeVa]

@VasudeVa:

Do you want me dead for any reason other than calling me scum?

Second question: You say I'm backtracking on my categories. Quote me on something (anything) that says I ever thought Katsuki was scum. I already asked you for this once in #526, and you ignored it, so I'm giving you a second chance.

We've had this argument before.

1. You put Katsuki in the Can Die in Fire list.
2. Sometime later, I voted for Katsuki.
3. You called my vote as a vote for an easy lynch which it clearly wasn't. (Katsuki had only one vote with no momentum.)
4. I called you out that "Hey dude, you called Katsuki scum since she was in the CDIF list."
5. You were like "Yo dude, that wasn't my scum list. Scums were in the Don't Like list"
6. I was like "Yo srs bro? Why is your DL list longer than your Like list?
7. You were like "That'z how I roll bro."
8. And then I was like "Hey man, you're looking for a reason to attack me via inaccurate statements and I'm calling you out on it. Plus, you CAN'T be serious that your CDIF list is your neutral lurker list and your long DL list is your scum list. That's like incredibly unproportioned and you are like, attacking people indiscriminately."
9. And then you were like "Yo dude, you are scum I'll vote you because YOUR are inaccurate with your statements.
10. And now I'm like 'What? YOU were the first inaccurate one here dude!'

....or something like that.
Don't wanna dig quotes, I'm a little too high on weed. In fact, I need to get away from this keyboard I don't even know what I'm typng anymore. HEY FUTURE VAS, DIG THOSE QUOTES UP SOON OKAY.

[VasudeVa]

Do you want me dead for any reason other than calling you scum

I want you dead because you are attacking indiscriminately and are a bad influence to the children. THINK ABOUT THE CHILDREN.

Quote tags fixed. ~Vi

[VasudeVa]

Future Vas appoints even Future-er Vas to remember what the hell he was talking about yesterday.

PS. Plz lynch Magua.

[VasudeVa]

Katsuki is retiring?

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Future-er Vas uses PROCRASTINATE. It is charging up it's next post! (ie. I'm being lazy, sue me.)

[VasudeVa]

Alright, I'll bite. Just might give me the leverage to lynch Magua scum.

Vote: Katsuki

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@Jack:

What do you think of Andy? (Jesus Christ, I can't believe you've ignored my question for this long.)

[VasudeVa]

I reviewed MoHO a little. The last game had two seperate scum teams working together. It was essentially a 17P game with 2-2 scum with the same wincon but don't know who the other pair is. They shared the same kill flavor(corrupted), and it failed if they acciNKed their buddy.

I think the Darkened Shadow Demon on Fate's flip means that he had contact with the Dark Demons. This was probably done by the scum seraph to prevent the accibus he did on Kitoari. Although we won't know for sure when he had Darkened, so I don't think we can link them to suspects on the Kitoari lynch. (Mine personally is signersigner.)

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Andy is my Top suspect at the moment. I'll make a better case when I'm not feeling lazy.

Vote: Andrius

[VasudeVa]

Andy is pretty much Town now. Meh. I had a case with him dilly dallying with Fate and his lack of an actual case on me when he kept attacking me over and over but it's all moot now

Some stuff:
@Seraphs: Can abilities/kills be ordered after a hammer? How sure are you that your NK theories are good?
Why Andy?
Why Equinox?

Agreeing with the AGM read, SS read and the BS read. Of course I disagree with the VV read but nothing I can do about that now can I. I would appreciate it if you would ask me questions on your read on me so I can properly defend myself.

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Vote: BS

what test are you talking about anyway?

[VasudeVa]

VV: what's your opinion of nacho?

Townish via earlyness on Kitoari Lynch. I don't think Fate was already Shadowed up there, it was a bit early.

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Since it's really popular these days to tier shit up.

SUPERTOWN

24. VasudeVa
3. Andrius
12. Jack
20. RayFrost
18. Nachomamma8
11. inHimshallibe
8. Furcolow
17. mothrax
2. AlmasterGM
22. singersigner
4. Baby Spice

SCUM ET AL

I've wanted a dead Baby Spice ever since my ISO #23. singersigner's recent posting are leaving a bad taste in my mouth.
Jack reads Town. He's real easy to catch as scum anyway since he hates being scum and it shows.
inHim has been lurky recently, but I liked his unvote of me during Magua v. Vas. I thought he was lazily wagoning me and my wagon was picking up

some

momentum but him suddenly unvoting like that had a Townish impression.
Nacho read is above.
mothrax, not seeing much scumhunting. A lot of his posts read like he's gearing up for his next mislynch.
Alm is obv SK.
Furcolow is null. Don't see Town Furc(aka. Caffeinated Squirell on cocaine playing internet Mafia.), don't see scum Furc(THE most obvscum scum you'll ever see ever.)

[VasudeVa]

No fucking way in hell am I voting with SS.

Vote: SS

More soon, feeling lazy. =_=.

[VasudeVa]

I think we have 2 Mafia left, probably linked together now. 1SK, 2Shadow, 2Dark, 16 Town + 4 Seraphs sound about right.
We have to lynch correctly at least once today for us to have a fighting chance. Since we are probably at 6/2/1.

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I have taken every lynch votal we have on Town and checked for opportunistic scum. I have deleted all of the dead people because...well who cares about dead people?

All ze Town Lynches.
Guderian (LYNCH) ~ Nachomamma8, mothrax, inHimshallibe, Jack, Furcolow
vezokpiraka (LYNCH) ~ AlmasterGM, Jack, mothrax,
Katsuki (LYNCH) ~ Jack, Nachomamma8, inHimshallibe, mothrax, Furcolow, RayFrost, VasudeVa
Baby Spice (LYNCH) ~ RayFrost, singersigner, VasudeVa, mothrax, AlmasterGM


mothrax appears on all four.
Jack is on three.
Nacho, inHim, Alm, Furc, Ray are on two.
Me and singersigner is on one.

There is also this on the VC VII:
Kitoari (LYNCH) ~ Jack, Nachomamma8, Furcolow, singersigner, inHimshallibe,
Guderian (L-6) ~ mothrax

Conclusion: Mothrax is 100% scum. Jack might be scum. singersigner could be Town, unfortunately.

Vote: Mothrax

[VasudeVa]

It's pretty damnning if I do say so myself. He's the only one alive who was on a CLEAR counterwagon against Kitoscum. AND he's damn oppurtinistic. I have already stated that his posts read like he's always positioning for the next mislynch. And I was right, he has always found a way to get on EVERY LYNCH WAGON we have on Town(Which is.....80% of them.)

I, on the other hand, was voting for Magua then. I also tunneled the fuck out of Magua for the majority of the game. Don't you think my buddies, especially with daytalk, would dissuade me from that?

I am only scum if I was scum with Fate. And Fate would 100% bus the hell out of me if I was scumbuddies with him. Read: DefconMafia.

[VasudeVa]

Gude had a bigger wagon. Duh.

[VasudeVa]

It's pretty bad. You assume too much.
When you ASSUME, you make an ASS out of U and ME.(I've always wanted to say this 8D.)
Very few of those points are on stuff that really matter. (ie. Stances, Votes and Lynches.)

And how is it that I am automatically buddies with SS for the last vote? I thought SS was scummy and I needed my vote somewhere, but then I actually did some digging and found that she just might be a naturally scummy player instead of actual scum. I think her lack of posturing into Town Lynches is indicative of Town.

FWIW, I think mothrax is the most objectively scummy player around. I think his spot in the counterwag on Guderian says something. Need I remind that he's the ONLY player alive in the 2ND LEADING WAGON when we lynched Kitoari at D2?

[VasudeVa]

Vote: AGM

Why the fucking fuck is mothrax Town?

[VasudeVa]

Holy fucking shit. AGM was Town? Why the fuck wan't there an AtI kill if AGM wasn't the SK since it was him spreading all that WIFOM?

We are at mylo with 5/2/1 right? If we lynch someone and we are wrong we'll be at: 4/2/1 with possibly 2 kills. If we no-lynch, and they hit two Town... What happens at 2/2/1? Is there even an SK? >.>

Nothing is making sense anymore. If there is something I learned during these stages of the game... when no-obvscum are present, someone popularly read as Town is scum. Hate on me for this, but I actually think it is in Jack/Mothrax/Furco/RF. Jack for being in many Town lynches, Mothrax for my earlier case, Furco because I was recently buddies with him and he was just as useless as he is now. RF because I know he is capable of this play as scum and I'm keeping my eyes open.

I still think SS is Town because of her lack of any posturing whatsover at the earlier stages of the game when there wasn't much Seraph stuff going on. Meanwhile Nacho is being too weird to be scum.

I seriously do not want to consider any more of these so called 'safe lynches' because they have failed so hard. IM GOING AFTER 'OBVTOWN.' STARTING WITH MOTHRAX.

Vote: Mothrax

Your buddying attempts have come FAR TOO LATE.

[VasudeVa]

@Seraphs:
Explain why Mothrax is Town. I NEED TO KNOW. HE'S SO SCUM, LIKE THAT LAST POST. IT IS PURE POSTURING 100%.

[VasudeVa]

Seraphs receive a boost from quicklynches, so lynching vezok as fast as possible could work well for those of you that are town.

vote:Vezok

Hey. What do you think of mothrax? You are 1/2 of what's left of my Town reads. Please say something awesome. We need to bind together and catch these heathens.

VV, I like the intensity. Gonna work with you for now. Gonna work with RayFrost, too. Probably mothrax as well, still don't see him as a partner with Fate.

That leaves:
Furc - still leaning town here, but my reads have been absolutely crappy of late
ss
Nacho
Jack

As for SK, yeah I don't have a clue. My top two for that honor would Nacho and Jack I guess, though I seriously doubt Jack would ever intentionally throw away a kill.

Furc reads scum like in Holographica. His 'tommorow will be LyLo' was similar to something he said when he was scum with me.
SS is STILL TOWN. I do not think for a second scum won't posture into those lynches. She probably started lazy like me.
Nacho is being weirdly agressive, but I liked his place in the Kito lynch. I'll have to review a little though.

Why not mothrax? Are you people blind? He's been posturing for lynches THE ENTIRE GAME EXCEPT FOR THAT ONE SCUM LYNCH WHERE HE WAS IN THE OPPOSING WAGON.

[VasudeVa]

I am currently looking into Fate's and mothrax's ISO. I don't see much. That knowledge of the kill flavor, I did that too and it doesn't mean shit. He was a previous player in MoHo.He can easily recall taht for the Townie brownies you are giving him.

The only thing I'm seeing is mothrax voted for Fate and a quick argument later, mothrax unvoted. That's it. Considering that scum have Daytalk, I think there is a good explanation for this.

The rest of the ISOs are PURE posturing. He finds a way to ease into Town Lynch wagons AND he has gotten away with it for so long.

[VasudeVa]

Vezok Lynch: Jack, Mothrax

THESE TWO ARE WHO REMAINS OF THE LYNCH. I can pretty much guarantee that one of them will be scum. In fact, I think it's probably both of them.

Jack increasingly looks like the SK. The theorized SK kill still happened. He also conveniently went away from the popular "ALM is the SK" idea, and went with his 'Alm is Mafia'. inHim's post about Jack skipping the kill gave me the idea. Jack is a very off player.

He truly enjoys fucking with people

. And skipping the kill was a good chance at fucking with Alm. COme on people! I know I'm not the only one with experience of Jack's play.

If we are lynching somebody today, please consider these facts. These two are the only two who were there at the vezok QL. These two are the only possible suspects we have for the SK. THEY HAVE NO ALIBI. They were at the scene of the crime FFS.

If we lynch the SK today, we have bought ourselves another day. In fact, it's probably better to lynch the SK today so that there will be less kills and we can hunt down mothrax's buddy. If there is no SK, they are probably scum anyway.

Vote: Jack

[VasudeVa]

PS. RF, after reading your ISO, I think you are suffering from the dreaded 'Too Much Reading' syndrome.

FOLLOW YOUR HEART RF.

[VasudeVa]

It's him easing in to the easy lynches in the most effortless and least suspicious way possible. I have seen scum act like this when they are not under any pressure. They become lazy and sneak into wagons easily. His last post is a prime example of this, and also the rest of his ISO. mothrax has never been under any significant pressure throughout the game.

What do you think of my Jack case? What do you think of my mothrax case?

[VasudeVa]

@RF:

I'll review Nacho since you've been kind enough to listen(not now though. It's sleepy time.). I've been thinking he's Town due to his spot on the Kito lynch but I never really looked at him in depth.

You've never mentioned my theory on the vezok lynch survivors(Jack/Moth last two people alive from the vezok lynch.). Do you think it is a bad lead? I think it's a pretty damn good lead. There are two known scum in there, Fate and Kito. And they're probably still off-contact since it was Page 2. If I was scum, I would have hopped on that wagon so hard with my other buddy. And the theorized SK kill still happened when everyone online at that time voted for vezok the instant they saw the wagon.

@JacK:

We are killing the SK to minimize the nightkills.

@Seraphdudes:

Can you tell us anything about:
1. Furco's....whatever the fuck he's talking about.
2. A revised stance on Mothrax, and a reaction on my vezoklynch survivors = probSK theory.

-prevedit. Ah.

[VasudeVa]

RF seems to have caught the crazy. -__-. FUCK SLEEP.

RF, What the fuck did I do?

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Why is this a good plan? Even if I don't agree I'd like to see that you really believe it. Potential crosskills are good, scum could kill sk for us and sk could kill scum for us.

Scum would want to kill Town no matter who we lynch. If we get rid of a killing Faction now, it would minimize the deaths which will buy us time.

[VasudeVa]

OH DONCHU FUCKING DISAPPEAR ON ME RF. I ALREADY HAVE DIFFICULTY SLEEPING AND JUST AS I WAS FEELING SLEEPY, THIS SILLY ANTIC JUST GAVE ME A CAFFEINE SHOT FROM HELL.

WHY ARE YOU VOTING FOR SS? WHAT DID I DO?

[VasudeVa]

Soo.. you forgot that you don't agree with my SS read? Huh. I lost that comforting sleepy feeling for this? >_>

I've already been through this. I think SS is Town because she's not at all playing like an informed minority. If she had buddies, I feel like she'll be playing a LOT BETTER ESPECIALLY WITH THAT DAY TALK. But no, her play has been terrible. I'm chalking up her apparent scumminess as a playstyle thing. There is a big fucking difference between scummy Town and real scum.

ALSO, We have trusted our last two lynches on the reads of the Seraphs. They both flipped Town. AGM = TOWN. BS = TOWN.

It's me and SS left and since I KNOW I AM TOWN and I think SS is Town, I don't like the SS lynch at all.

And you're still not commenting on the vezok lynch theory.

[VasudeVa]

Hmm... SS has been in L-2 for a loong time now, huh? No quickhammers? We have daytalking scum right?

FWIW, I strongly dislike that last Nacho post. It screams scum hungry for the mislynch. We have been discussing multiple people over the course of these pages. And the only one he pays attention to is the one with the most votes.

FoS: Nacho, mothrax(again for the second time).

[VasudeVa]

I've read up on Nacho. The only bad thing I'm seeing is his recent SS tunnel which is horrible, All his posts today are focused on one thing and one thing only: lynching SS. I fully expect Townies to be scrambling for reads right about now(like the cool dudes: Vas, inHim and RF). He isn't. And I know he's a more capable player than this.

And SS reads a lot like a LyLo mislynch. THIS IS WHAT MY HEART TELLS ME. If there is something I have learned in LyLo, there is always this one scummy person who just screaming to be lynched. Scum have chosen this very special person to be the person to lump their votes into. Then they will lure gullible townies with long ass cases and logic.

I also read up on Jack's ISO. And he is surprisingly scummier than I thought he was. He's lurking just as badly as he was in Vanillaside and some parts Greek Mythology with giant gaping gaps of posting times.

If Jack actually flips mafia, his recent SS unvote means that his buddy is already voting for RF and he's scrambling for Town points.

(The votes were: Nacho, mothrax, RF and then Jack)

Well, regardless I am only considering two lynches for today. Jack and Mothrax.

Nacho is saved for tommorow. But it will take something INCREDIBLE for me to vote for RF, inHim, SS and myself. (Like..catching them in a quickhammer attempt or something.)

@SS:

If you are Town like I think you are please do

something

.

[VasudeVa]

Take you for example. You have offered absolutely nothing in the way of proof that singersinger is town aside from "too scummy to be scum" crap. You've ignored my case on her. And yet you're holding her on the same town level as RF, inHim... Townies scrambling for reads don't have such confidence in town reads built on absolutely nothing, sorry.

My read on her doesn't have much with what she

said

, it's more about what she's

doing

. The argument is that she's not acting like scum, she's acting like a mislynch waiting to happen. I have stated over and over that if she had scum buddies, they would have coached her ass up big time.

I don't care when you have started tunneling on her. What I care about is AT THIS VERY MOMENT, AT LYLO IN A GAME WHERE THE ONE SCUM LYNCH WE HAVE IS SCUM DRIVEN, you are still tunneling even with the other alternatives I have shown, and with all the discussions that have been going around.

I have to thank you for telling me that. The fact that you are still on your shitty tunnel proves my point even more. You don't care about lynching correctly, you only care about lynching.

Nacho/Jack/mothrax. I don't care who we lynch first.(Although lynching Jack and moth has a higher chance of sucess.)

[VasudeVa]

Be specific, then. I certainly have. HOW is she acting like a mislynch waiting to happen? HOW is she acting like town? All you've said is "you're tunneling, she's town." Do you honestly expect me to be convinced by that?

1. Direction-less play. Too unfocused to be scum.
2. No real connections with flipped scum.
3. No other real evidence to the contrary.
4. Horrible posts, yes. But I read SS as a naturally scummy player but not real scum.

Let's take a look at your 'case' shall we?

1.Only thing she gets out of her reread is that the quicklynch was town-motivated, a fact that was already covered.
2.Massive fencesitting on Baby Spice v Andy.
3.Votes to lynch someone she thought was town just for a flip.
4.Calls Katsuki horribly anti-town for wanting us to wait to lynch so we wouldn't use battery up although she held the same opinion earlier.
5.Screams about how sheeping the Seraphs is destroying the world, then sheeps the Seraphs.
6.Calls a vote on her invalid because her wagon wasn't big enough for it to be valid

.
1. And that's scummy...why? Ever been in games where you just don't want to read anything? Null.
2. Ohh~! A massive fence sitting point! Only these two flipped Town. If she was fence sitting on real scum, there is some merit on this. Otherwise, it could also be a case of Town being undecisive. And believe me, SS has shown time and time again that she is undecisive. Null.
3. This is pretty bad. . I've done that sometimes. I'm never honest with it though, but that could be a case of Town being unmotivated(And, again, SS has shown that she is pretty much not-motivated.). Null.
4. Some points on this. But Katsuki deserved it. Are you saying Katsuki wasn't anti-town?
5. Extra ISO post for filler. Pretty bad that you're even mentioning this.
6. SS can't defend herself worth shit. Actually, this adds a little bit to my 'SS is acting Town.'

tldr; Your 'case' is mostly about SS being a scummy player than with her being real scum. Bad case is bad.

Can you provide examples of games where scumplay dramatically improves because they have daytalk?

I guess getting a scum role PM sometimes has the nasty side effect of weakened common sense.

Your two alternatives are likelier SK than scum, and I'm not interested in lynching the SK right now.

ITP: Justifying a shitty tunnel.

How can say something like this when you've given a grand total of ONE reason why singersinger is town and disregarded my case completely?

Here's why. Your case is horse manure. It's an ISO study nitpicking SS' posts with the scummiest interpretations you can muster. Your case is the pure essence of 'LyLo Scum luring gullible townies with long ass cases and logic'. You still being in your old-ass tunnel at this dire situation is horribad.

And how the hell is THIS caring about lynching correctly?

I have certainly been clear about you being scum(Shitty tunnel, not acting like Town in LyLo).
I have been clear about mothrax being scum(Presence in all Town Lynches, Also a vezok lynch survivor.).
I have also been clear about Jack being scum(Vezok lynch survivor, rehashing that slip, also some personal experience of Jack-scum meta.).
Lastly, I am very clear about why SS being Town even if she is a popular lynch candidate for the day.

All of these reads are brand new, nary a Day Phase old!

Soo...yeah. If you're going to sling rhetoric on a phrase of mine, you've picked the wrong phrase. Try again scum.

[VasudeVa]

RF, THY HEART HATH BEEN CORRECT ALL ALONG.
WHAT DOST THOU THINKETH OF NACHO NOW?

[VasudeVa]

My lynch priorities. If 0 were confirmed scum and 10 were confirmed Town...
Nacho - 3
Jack - 4
Moth - 4
SS - 8
RF - 8
inHim - 10

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@Seraphs:

Why investigate me? Why not SS/moth/jack/Nacho? (FWIW, I worked soo hard to get SS investigated by extreme defense. It would have been 150% better if they had copped SS instead of me. I have no reason to defend SS like that as scum. We'd have 1 confTown(SS) and 1probTown(Me) that way instead of just 1 ConfTown. I was hoping you'd get the hint. >.>)

[VasudeVa]

At this point, it's I think it's better if we lynch ASAP and get all that juicy battery than to rehash all discussions that have been done already.
All the cool people have already discussed, everyone else I don't care what they say anymore.

@RF, inHim, SS: Who do you plan to vote for and why?

[VasudeVa]

SS is pure awesome. 8D. As is Nacho.

SUCK ON THAT SCUM.

[VasudeVa]

Oh joy! Fate's post-game whining.

*popcorn*