Mafia of the Chosen Ones (Game Over!)

[mothrax]

Hi all!

Vote: AGar

for being the first alphabetically not to have posted.

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Quicklynch is tech...

Vote: Vezok
(L-2)

[mothrax]

mmmm cake.
that was a fun D1.
What is your favorite cake? Mine is Icecream.

PEdit: Aww your no fun...
And I saw what you saw. I don't think it was a slip. I think it was jack being jack.

[mothrax]

That is confusing... it doesn't sound like a scumkill.

Pedit: Jack was being jack. Iirc he does stupid shit page one to "gauge reactions"

Pedit again: Nope, he was in a game I replaced into but he was already dead.

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Yeah, according to the OP he "Might as well Be Walking on the Sun."
it doesn't sound like factional kill...

Pedit: @gud: yes, what I have read of/interacted with jack he does something like this a lot. That and if his rep is true he is not the type of player to make such a blatant slip d1 under that little (read 0) pressure.

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inhim, you spew a lot of shit with virtually nothing to back it up. Its nice that you are giving scum a townlist though, tells them who not to kill. Your self contradiction between your "two day pass" post and your "town list" post is noted.

@guderian: Yes, if another player had done something similar I would probably have been more worried about it. It doesn't read like a slip to me.
Let me try to explain it in another way.
Meet Player A. Player A likes to do dumb shit on page one. Player A once claimed a power role in a 2 powerrole open setup game on page one of day one. Player A was not said powerrole in the long run but the discussion generated by this claim helped Player A get reads on the other players. If Player A were to purposfully "scumslip" on page one the reactions garnered would provide excellent reads. For example. You jumped on that hard as soon as some pressure came down on you.
in other words

Vote Guderian

[mothrax]

No, my vote for you is because you saw it and even after two players who have experience with the player said that it was nothing you still went after it. It has been explained and you still pushed it.

[mothrax]

The wagon might be lulzy, but most early game wagons are Gude. there is at least one vote on you that has nothing to do with policy/lulz/whatever.

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@Kat: are you kidding? You arent goign to read an 8 page game?

@andy: lol, srs bzns.

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@inhim: yes it was forced because the site keeps going down on me as I was posting. That was the third time I had typed that post, by the end it turned into "get something up"
@kat: we have different definitions of walls

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@Equi: he goes from "everyone on the vezok wagon gets a two day pass" to naming two players as scum, both of whom were on the vezok wagon.

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@jack: give it time, I've been in a slump lately and am just now getting back into my game.

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@Equi: he goes from "everyone on the vezok wagon gets a two day pass" to naming two players as scum, both of whom were on the vezok wagon.

dude

sweet whats mine say

?
(oh look, I can make pointless posts with multiple interpretations and no quality too! isn't this fun?)

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@Equi: he goes from "everyone on the vezok wagon gets a two day pass" to naming two players as scum, both of whom were on the vezok wagon.

Well, yeah. I guess I should've have phrased it better:

Who do you think is more likely to make that kind of inconsistency, town or scum, and why?

scum. I have little experience with Magua but I know part of my reputation onsite is as an easy mislynch. With no evidence or reason he lists me as scum, excluding me from a group he just called town. ~Thats a scum move to me.

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Inhim/Nixon.
We quicklynched vezok as a half-policy lynch and half-get 100 faith for the seraphs.

EVERYONE ON THE LYNCH GETS A MINIMUM TWO-DAY PASS.

TOWN
FATE
AGM
ANDRIUS
THE GUY THAT VOTED JACK FOR 22

EXCOMMUNICATE THESE BASTARDS
MAGUA
MOTHRAX

bolded for emphasis. Forgive me, you didn't say they were town, it was just heavily implied.

[mothrax]

Inhim/Nixon.
We quicklynched vezok as a half-policy lynch and half-get 100 faith for the seraphs.

EVERYONE ON THE LYNCH GETS A MINIMUM TWO-DAY PASS.

TOWN
FATE
AGM
ANDRIUS
THE GUY THAT VOTED JACK FOR 22

EXCOMMUNICATE THESE BASTARDS
MAGUA
MOTHRAX

Mothrax is snarky when he is enjoying himself, regardless of allignment.

bolded for emphasis. Forgive me, you didn't say they were town, it was just heavily implied.

I've certainly garnered enough snark out of you to make some conclusions.

Now someone tell me if mothrax is snarky town.

[mothrax]

well, the tags are effed up....

my comment is in there somewhere, points for whomever finds it.

[mothrax]

*grudgingly gives inhim + points then goes to bed.*

[mothrax]

I'm having trouble seeing where I "subtly" pushed the quicklynch. I logged on and saw that it was happening, said cool and within 30 minutes it happened. So just because I wasn't all OMG quicklynch gogogo I am scum...?

Also at andrius: shot is a colloquial. It does not mean innefective.

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@Baby Spice: Andrius's 32 ninjad my vote, so really I was going to vote before that. Then I simulposted with the vc. The problem with your claim is that it does not take activity levels, simulposting, ninjaing etc into account.

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Your noise is truly pathetic.

It'd be better if you all said "this wagon is policy/lulz/ nonsense" because then at least I could understand it. But to claim "this is some serious stuff for serious reasons" is laughable and ridiculous.

Also: Further proof that Gude is scum: Whenever he is attacked he tries to discredit arguements against him with insults and "humor". These are only two shining examples.

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Furc, try rEading fate again without letting personal feelings get in the way. He is obv-town.
Thread needs more gudeposting.
The numbers at the bottom of the vc are number of days since last post iirc from Moho.
P-edit: calling someone scum =\= scumslip, it is called being assertive.

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We seem to be forgetting that it is possible that there are two scum teams out there still. So saying a kitori flip makes Gude less likely to be scum is a nullpoint.

Going back to where my vote was.

Vote Guderian

[mothrax]

I'll vote Gud when we've had

time to drain the life a little bit more

, and other people have been given the chance to speak.

now that I am on my computer I can do this:

LOLWUT!>!>!>!>!>

FOS: singersigner

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@fate: I am voting gude still. consider that more of an IGMEOY

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Oh dear gods I am agreeing with Jack. Furc wagon is a bad wagon.

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This is a better wagon:

Vote: Katsuki

refusal to read the game, blatant bandwagoning and sheeping to seem cool. catchup or gtfo fool.

p-edit: JACK GET OUT OF MY HEAD

[mothrax]

Hmmm, I have some iso's to read. Someone who knows Vas play: is he scum?

[mothrax]

understandable... I was hoping to not have to do research (damn people I haven't played with) *sigh*

[mothrax]

That would indeed be helpful, though I won't be able to read them untill tomorrow... I just got off work and have to be back in 6 hours...

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Hmmm, I have some iso's to read. Someone who knows Vas play: is he scum?

If you're not going to read the game and make up your own mind, replace out. Asking "Should I sheep?" is at best bloody useless blah blackleg?)

Please inform me where I said I wasn't reading. The iso comment was a general " I was wrong andneed to reread comment" the asking @VAs was asking for help from people who know his play better than I do since I have played with him once in a bastardmod that I really didn't pay much attention to. That is the reason I accepted meta, though I was hoping not to have to read games other than this one.
For future reference, before you call me useless, get your facts straight and get off your high horse. Kthxbai.

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And since you asked so nicely: Kat, Rayfrost and BS.

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Meta has me second guessing the katsuki lynch. more vig bait than lynch bait. I am still not impressed with the way she has been (not) playing this game, but I don't really think it is scum-indicative, just kat indicative.

That said I am kind of at a loss for where to go...

rayfrost was scummy early on but I think that was my internalOMGUS acting up.

I see his points on baby spice actually.

the fact that there have been multiple wagons with a lot of steam irks me, since they get to L-2 or 3 and just die out... and they all have one thing in common. They are Fate driven, and fate is one of the first to jump ship. the VV and Furc wagons both.
(the one thing I don't like, people sheep fate to get him to shut up. fate knows this and takes advantage of the "imposing" personality...)

Lets try a new wagon. I would still be willing to hammer katsuki if the time comes, but mainly to get rid of a rediculously anti-town player.

Unvote; Vote Fate

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the fact that there have been multiple wagons with a lot of steam irks me, since they get to L-2 or 3 and just die out... and they all have one thing in common. They are Fate driven, and fate is one of the first to jump ship. the VV and Furc wagons both.
(the one thing I don't like, people sheep fate to get him to shut up. fate knows this and takes advantage of the "imposing" personality...)

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In other words, it has been agreed that fast days are good for the town. You have agreed with this. You have stated repeatedly that furc and kat are scum and were fairly adamant about VV scum ot the time of his wagon. Yet you consistantly vote hop and derail the wagons that you have built, prolonging the days. You are scum taking advantage of the fact that for some reason people (I am guilty of doing so myself) follow you.

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Edit: When I read vote counts I should really look at them in context... The votecounts alone give the impression that you are wagon hopping and derailing them, however, in light of the fact that I was wrong about the way the kat wagon started and the fact that you were raging on about furc at the time that that wagon took off, I will admit my incorrectness.

Unvote

People I want more from:
Nacho
Andrius

both of these people are giving me the gut willies...
Nacho for his lack of contribution when he is generally a very protown player. Andrius for the blatant sheeping of fate by voting a town read, and his promised content that never really showed itself.

I disagree with you on Magua.

I am not liking B.S. play or Kats play... B.S. wagon isn't going to take off, and this day has drug on long enough...

@rayfrost: Kat today B.S. tomorrow?

Vote Katsuki

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@Magua: I will have the same amount of suspicion on you as I do now where Katsuki to flip town, which is to say not very.

If Katsuki flips scum, Andrius is probscum: He is avoiding this wagon like the plague. He has commented several times on how obvscum Kat is, yet is not voting kat atm. He had a short stint on the wagon when it was not large, but once it took off he returned to his antics of no VV is scum, furc isn't scum but ima vote him anyway, and his most recent attempt at trying to draw attention away from the wagon with his B.S. vote is duly noted.

@furc: We obviously have different opinions of sheeping. My vote was on Katsuki on the start of the day. I do have a null leaning scum read on Kat, however lynching her serves a twofold purpose. If she flips scum, it is two for the price of one, if she flips town it gets rid of an antitown slot that refuses to play the game. Do I think we should leave kat to the vig: yes. Will I settle for a Katsuki lynch: yes.

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@Magua: Nice job quoting one line in my post. I believe I discussed this already.

@Rayfrost: I'm up for hanging a spice girl (as I already said) but it won't happen while so many players are distracted by katscum.

[mothrax]

The flip begs to differ. Shadowed Dark demon is the way the flip looked after the groups were pulled together... I'm not sure why fate was killed though, it looks like attempted the impossible might not be the scumkill flavor after all...

[mothrax]

Um.... I was scum in Moho, we were pulled together before both of those flips. The "dark demons" then flipped shadowed dark demons and visa versa. And the last comment has to do with the fact that the scum teams have been united. Why would scum kill there own. Thus I doubt that "attemPted the impossible" is the scumkill.

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Also, look at Haylens flip in what you quoted. You proved yourself wrong.

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Baby spice look at your quoted flips from Moho. Done? Good. Now look at fates flip? They are the same. Both of the flips from Moho that you quoted were merged scum, both of them shot by plum, a town vig. The scum team has merged. End of discussion.

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Rayfrost, I have read that last bullet like five times and I don't get it... Rephrase?

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@Vas: in Moho the demons were united onto one scum team day twoand the flip after that read the same way fates flip read. I assume the same ability exists for the seraphs in this game.

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@babyspice: no response to my posts which were directly responding to you?

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@Babyspice: I disagree, I think that "incinerated" and "sniped" are the scumkill flavors. That being said "attempted the impossible must come from a third party or town player. From what hito said I am not inclined to believe that it is a town player unless the fallen seraphs spammed powerroles d1 (not really a viable option without knowledge of the scum team, which they wouldn't have without a considerable amount of faith. IMO it makes more sense as an SK kill.

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I said nothing pertaining to andrius. I was answering babyspices question to me about killflavor. The only way the fate kill could be town driven would be if the fallen seraphs spammed powerroles early to give scum an advantage and accidentally gave it to a town player. Which makes no sense from a scum perspective. Why give powerroles when you don't know who is on your team? I got the vibe from hito that they had not done a lot in the way of giviNg prs.

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Also, in MoHo the big was an instant resolution, where as all the kills thus far have resolved at "night"

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Oh hey, nacho is in this game?

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More posting from him and inhim would be nice. Jack too.

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Furc, rayfrost is town and has been calling for BS and SS scum since D2.

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Rayfrost, you cut me deep.

I think it is vest to hold off on lynches for a few more Rl days, due to something the seraphs said, though if it is for faith boni, the smart move would be a quicklynch. However I think there is more to it (I get it)

That said when the time comes I am cool with a baby spice lynch.

[mothrax]

With the go ahead from the seraphs:

Vote: Babyspice

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O Man guys look at AGM drawing attention to his pro-town action after having been called out for scummy actions previosly.

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Rayfrost: The second post you linked from me was not towards magua but inhim, still going back to his list, which was oposed to his statement. inhim has played with/is playing with me before and knows that I can be a weaker player. is it not proper scum strategy to attack the weaker townies?

[mothrax]

Was that a scumslip I read?!

vote furc

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It's pretty damnning if I do say so myself. He's the only one alive who was on a CLEAR counterwagon against Kitoscum. AND he's damn oppurtinistic. I have already stated that his posts read like he's always positioning for the next mislynch. And I was right, he has always found a way to get on EVERY LYNCH WAGON we have on Town(Which is.....80% of them.)

I, on the other hand, was voting for Magua then. I also tunneled the fuck out of Magua for the majority of the game. Don't you think my buddies, especially with daytalk, would dissuade me from that?

I am only scum if I was scum with Fate. And Fate would 100% bus the hell out of me if I was scumbuddies with him. Read: DefconMafia.

What's the dif between me on Gude and you on magus who also flipped town?

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Vote: AGM

For Alnara
(that would be much cooler if this were narnia.

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8 players means 6:2 or 5:2:1 (I am still not convinved there is an SK, but there is no other explanation for the extra kills)

I know I am town. Inhim is town. RF is town. Nacho is climbing up. which leaves SS, VV, furc and Jack...

Furc: prob-town. Playing very similarly (albiet slightly less abrasive) to MoHo

VV: even though he is wrong, his effort as of late reads town to me.

Jack: who the hell knows...

so:

Vote Singer

[mothrax]

she is on;y at l-3, i am not to worried about a quicklynch at this point.

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Jack, if you count inside knowledge as knowledge of the MoHo setup then yes.

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unvote

@hito: did you guys have something to do with furc/do you know what that was about?

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My reads are all over the place... I henceforth proxy my vote to rayfrost.

[mothrax]

Ss, that's me trusting rf's reads more than my own current ones and not having time in the next few days to reread. When I do I will unproxy my vote.

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VV being conftown changes nothing imo. He is still town.

un-proxying my vote.

ray, inhim and Vas are on my notouch list.

which leaves SS, Nacho, and Jack.

SS is moving towards the top of the list as well (top being good.) her recent posts read town to me, especially in her reaction to rf's case. While she is screaming confbias(wrong) I can tell she believes it.

Jack has been way too uninvolved at this point. Do I think the slip on pg 1 was a scumtell? No. But the rest of his behavior turns me off... A1: The slip was engineered to look like an infogathering gambit, so why not use said info?

Nacho, I really have no read on. His inactivity early on reflects poorly, but his recent posts are screaming town...

Out of Jack/Nacho/SS I would rather lynch jack.

Vote Jack

Also, I am still not sold on the presence of an SK but without a vig flip as of yet, and without knowing where the extra kills come from, I am at a loss for any other explanation. Someone who isn't scum killed fate, but who was it?

[mothrax]

lolno.
The reasons I am not sold:
inconsistant kills
setup speculation (same # of players from moho... which town lost, why add another anti-town element?)

[mothrax]

Hmmm... seems you are right... 17 in MoHo, 20 in MoCo. (not counting seraphs.)

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@SS that was a question to jack. also, I get what you are saying. But you moving towards the town end of the scale doesn't make you town.

@RF note that your "new" insight was stated by me 2 days ago.
Also, after my last post in which I realized I was wrong about the player numbers, I am more convinced of an SKs presence.

[mothrax]

I never said it must be vig RF. I said there is no other explanation that I can see. The part about the lack of vig was me arriving to that conclusion.

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No, I go "It can't be mafia, it can't be vig. I'm not sure what it is."

Yes, it could be an SK, but this is a fairly complex set-up. It could be something else completely (Dark seraphs spamming kills, etc...)

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FWIW now that I realize there are three more players in this game than moho, I am more sold on the idea of an SK. My orriginal reluctance stemmed from thinking this was pretty much a mirror to that setup.

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Considering that most of my reasoning was based on the fact that I thought there was an equal number of people in the two games, the fact that my mind changed when it was pointed out otherwise is not worthless.

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That was fun... Thanks for modding Vi.