League of Legends (Old)

[TehBrawlGuy]

Blehhhhh, soloq. I dropped from Silver III/36LP to Silver VI 34/LP in four games thanks to afks, bads, and trolls. It takes eight in a row to get back. =v Anyone willing to duoq with me to up my odds and/or tell me what I'm doing wrong? I know I'm doing something wrong, because you see Plats roflstomp these games even with all that nonsense.

IGN is the same name as here.

[TehBrawlGuy]

I play everything because Soloq, but mid and support are my best. I'm definitely fine with supporting; I do it duoq all the time. I just don't like doing it for randoms who get 100CS in 25 minutes.

[TehBrawlGuy]

Alright, great.

[TehBrawlGuy]

http://www.reignofgaming.net/news/23181 ... nn-is-here

Vi and Amumu get pretty needless buffs

Taric gets a weird adjustment on his W that I don't think is going to matter too much.

That's just reverting the nerf on his damage. He's still got the ult range nerf, the Q nerf, and the E nerf.

Maybe I'll finally get to play him again though.

[TehBrawlGuy]

Ugh, so frustrating. i started today out after a break from ranked at silver 3 with 20ish league points. I've played three games today and lost all three. First was a dc, second was a team that refused to push until we just lost, third was a dc. Back in silver 4.

I'm not even mad anymore, just in a "really" kind of mood.

This is what happened to me. (same division even) Gotta love instant demotions while you have to jump through hoops to go up.

[TehBrawlGuy]

17 min 12/3/2. went against swain mid. cause lol wut meta.

Edit: She does a shit load of damage.

Did your E go off fast enough to dodge his roots?

[TehBrawlGuy]

Try Sona then. You have to be somewhat good at poke and positioning, but she's a boatload of fun if you are. Q > Power Chord AA is still one of the most satisfying things to hit for me in the game. More satisfying than perfect Kat/Amumu/Malph ults, and only beaten out by Blitz hooks. Getting to do it repeatedly in the laning phase is too much fun.

[TehBrawlGuy]

So that's where mine went...

[TehBrawlGuy]

WHO BUY NEXT?

Spoiler: Unowned

Thresh
Vi
Nami
Zed
Elise
Kha'Zix
Syndra
Diana
Jayce
Fiora
Viktor
Volibear
Fizz
Talon
Leona

So my immediate thoughts were Diana or Vi for jungler power...but I'd also be fine picking up someone really pubstompy

Leo, Vi, and Kha will have the most power over time, but Kha and Vi are FoTM right now. Leo's also about to drop in price, so I wouldn't bite until she does.

[TehBrawlGuy]

Gotta admit I'm still not a fan of the "League System" but being in some weird arbitrary rankings group with a bunch of people from this site is kind of funny and strangely competitive, even though none of us will ever play each other and are not even remotely competing with each other.

I'm glad you all got in the same league. I had like 50 people on my list and got in leagues with exactly 0 of them.

[TehBrawlGuy]

Doing some Silver IV ranked, probably mostly Mid/Jungle, but I'm willing to support if need be. Hit me up if you want to duo, IGN is the same as here.

[TehBrawlGuy]

>someone picks Teemo support
Everyone: NO PLEASE DON'T
> I'm sad since I'm the carry
> best Teemo support ever
> we absolutely shit on bot and carry the game


Every time I see people pick someone subpar and play amazingly, I smile a little inside. We're duoqing now with him playing Panth support.

[TehBrawlGuy]

He went Galio, we started stomping lane again, and then he AFKed. I was only 40 cs down at 17 minutes despite him afking at level 3. ;_;

[TehBrawlGuy]

Oh man, that site is gold.

my favorite:

[TehBrawlGuy]

2/8 no damage items Garen tells me to uninstall because I can't carry him. His advice for teamfights: "just go thru j4 and fid and blitz and get vayne u fukn nob".
See also the lux who insisted she would be fine going support, then sold her faerie charm first back for a Doran's Ring because "we don't need support items you fucking scrub they're just crutches for bad players I'll carry".
The more of this shit I see, and the more I see people like Destiny who get carried to Plat and then float there, the more convinced I become that the only foolproof way to get out of "elo hell" is to just get a duo partner to lift you.

It helps a lot for sure. I was duo bot with one of my friends today and we shut down a stupidly fed J4 Mid down, even with moderately fed Xin jungle and Vlad top. We got his Corki fed in lane phase, and while fed Jarvan did hurt us before my friend could get his BT, once he did, we were fine. J4 would jump him, I'd stun J4, and we'd blow him up in 3 seconds while Mao kept everyone else away. If his Corki wasn't fed enough in lane phase to be able to burst and LS J4 to death while he was stunned, it would've been gg. We absolutely needed to stomp our lane to win the game, and with two of us we were able to. It's a hell of a feeling carrying bads with a buddy.

[TehBrawlGuy]

SoloQ'd for ranked.

enemy team: Xin, Taric, MF
our team: Heimer Mid, Support J4, both with an awful lolking. (I know Support J4 can work, but when the guy has played 20 games with him and clearly can't play him...)


FotM brigade vs. the herpderps

nope.jpeg

[TehBrawlGuy]

6 win streak to rampage through S5 and promote, followed by an ungodly 6 loss streak. 4 games were a 4v5 and then this gem happened:

Spoiler: akali carry scoreboard

I really do not like the new league system because if you went on a big dive you could just play equal games to get back up. Now if you get dropped right after you promote, you get set back roughly 8 games for one loss. I def need to control the times I play because last night at 5am was all disconnecting brasilineros. Saddle up and back to work!

That happened to me. 4 losses dropped me a full league.

Secondly, does anyone know why I'm getting these ungodly lag/dc spikes? It's only league, firefox, skype, etc. all work fine. It's periodic and seems to vary by game. One game I'll lag spike repeatedly, another game I'll end up just perfect with 60 ping all game.

[TehBrawlGuy]

Just played a blitz game in normals thanks to trollbanning Heimer, Poppy, and Karma.

Teamcomp was Malph, Vi, Swain, Koggles, and myself as Blitz.

Funnest game I've played in a long long time.
DEM GRABS

[TehBrawlGuy]

Leona get. Own all the supports except for Lulu, Nami, and Thresh now.

[TehBrawlGuy]

Bruiser Taric is one of the stupidest things I've ever seen in this game. It's like pre-nerf AP Trynd. Before y'all asked if I got dunked by one, no, I was dunking with him. You have to know specifically how to make him broken, (Tear, AP, Mana stacking, and AS stacking in general are noobtrap) but he's absolutely insane.

Here's your core: IG, SV, and Zephyr. Yes, I did just say Zephyr.

Taric's one of the very few champs in the game that use every aspect of IG. You have great AP ratios (1.7-2.1, most of that AoE, plus a 0.6-0.84 heal), you scale off armor better than Malphite and Rammus now, your damage scales off of Mana, which you need to build in lane as a bruiser anyway for sustain, and you absolutely love the CDR. You also need the slow to stick, since you have poor sticking power. (I run ghost/exhaust for this reason)

SV gives you MR, which you need to compliment all your armor, health, which is always amazing, (even moreso with tons of resists), tons of CDR, and a passive which you use all the time.

Zephyr gives you AD, which you make good use of with how much you auto, but that's not why it's amazing. It brings you to the CDR cap, for one, but you use the AS extremely well. Your autos do 14 Physical, plus another 78 magic damage (for 218 total) against champs. With 40% CDR, your heal's on a 9.6 second CD. Autos reduce that by 3, and Zephyr's AS is enough to break 1.00 AS. (you hit 1.16 @ 18) If you're attacking champs, your heal's on an effective

3-3.6 second CD

. You also really need the MS to stick to champs, and with MS quints as well, you hit 436 with unenchanted boots 2. The tenacity allows you to go Tabi, which is great, since you are the best armor scaler in the game.


With Tabi/FH/SV/Zephyr, you get this.

Full build would look something like this.
Bear in mind that his bonus armor aura increases his armor, which increases his aura, forming a feedback loop, and this site doesn't calculate that. Your armor and armor aura are actually quite a bit higher than displayed. (breakeven point for the prenerf aura ingame is actually ~214, not 240)

He also provides great intangibles, like amazing gank assistance. He can repeatedly heal a jungler coming in to gank, as well as stunning the target, reducing their armor, and giving free stats to the jungler. Pushes and waveclears well, W + AA kills caster minions in one shot. Wonderful roam to boot.

tl;dr version of why Bruiser Taric is stupid:

>200 damage autos building almost full tank
1.5 sec targetted stun on a 6 sec CD
244/300 damage ally+self heal, or a 420 self heal on a 9.6 CD,

which is effectively ~3 seconds

in combat.
6 second CD 340 damage shatter which provides almost equal to or MORE armor in teamfights than pre-patch
36 second cooldown on ult
Stupidly good sustained

and

burst damage.

He's even worse on TT. The faster start helps his poor early game, and the bruiser heavy meta makes his best-in-game sustained healing (and great sustained CC) absolutely invaluable. He's also very very difficult to counter there, since he can easily solo and duo lane.

I'd be really interested in forming a team to do 3s. I've always really liked new TT, and this is just too good to pass up on it. Anyone interested?

[TehBrawlGuy]

He plays a lot like Singed, for anyone wondering. Farm a while, give zero fucks about harass, and then walk into enemy teams and melt them while CCing/peeling all day. He's even easier, though. He picks up at 3/4 while Singed takes longer to get going, he can deal with losing lanes a lot better, and he can assist ganks better. I just hope he doesn't get streamed by a pro soon and then ubernerfed. He was my favorite support prepatch, and I'll still play him support now, I'm just worried about a bruiser kneejerk nerf wrecking him as a support.

But yeah, would be super interested in forming a 3s team.

[TehBrawlGuy]

I'm not so sure it's soon, considering he was just nerfed as a support, jungle Taric is meh, and bruiser Taric is still sleeper thanks to how many noobtrap builds it has.


Oh, and that tl;dr was without ult aura. With it, your autos hit for just under 300 mixed, and your selfheal is about 500, to pick two.


During teamfights, a 500 heal on an effective 3sec CD. Just think about that. Bear in mind it's even more EHP thanks to resist stacking.

[TehBrawlGuy]

considering he [taric] was just nerfed as a support

What? Was it really a nerf?

Not being able to dish out 30 armor aura at 9 (and 20 at 5) is definitely a really big deal. Combine that with Shatter lowering your own armor by a larger % and also lowering your aura further, and you've got a big deal. He lost the mana regen passive, but his costs were lowered too, so idk which is bigger.

All that for... a meager amount of AA damage with garbage AS, and a tiny damage increase on shatter. Meh. You should not be building that much mana or as, and it takes forever to breakeven on armor with a support's budget and items. It was intended to be and is a nerf on Support Taric. However, if you give gold to his now insane scaling, he becomes ridiculous.

Jeebus christ those taric buffs are ridiculous. Just went 3/2/16 with an awful ADC and didn't even have that good of a game.

EDIT: If you think anything that got done to Taric was a nerf in any regard, you are wrong.

See: Above. He was crazy enough pre-nerf that he's still top tier now.

[TehBrawlGuy]

The buff comes from the armor scaling to the damage on shatter and the reduced mana cost on dazzle, which you don't mention in that post. The sheer burst out of taric that comes from building armor is insane; build a frozen heart / randuin's on support taric (totally legit builds already) and you've got a tank with a stun and two very strong aoe damage abilities.

Also, how do you get through early lane phase as solo taric?

I did mention costs and said it offset the regen loss from his passive.

If you run into the AD/AS heavy comp that Taric already counters, sure, he works better. If you run into anything where you can't/shouldn't rush huge armor, or don't get assist or objective gold fast, it's a definite nerf. It's also a large lane nerf before you can get huge armor. All in all it's a minor nerf, but it still is one. He was a tank with a stun and two AoE's before, and he still is.

Don't get stun early unless your jungle's ganking, you have nobody to follow it. Don't be afraid to level Q some, especially against AP. Play passive until 3/4, you generally lose trades until then. Trade all the time past 5 or so, because even if you lose, you have best sustain in game. Use ult in trades, it's on a super short CD. Ghost helps chase and run from ganks. Rush IG or SV. You need defense, sustain, and CDR.

[TehBrawlGuy]

Yeah Panzer, my last 4 games have been losses where I have been 4v5ing, dealing with retarded shit (like trololo jungle Taric), or watching my team stand around with their thumbs up their asses getting caught alone even though I keep melting their carries 100-0 come any real team fight. I don't know how to make people just stick together anymore. Chats, pings, friendly advice, tough love, outright rage. I mean, I realize that I made several mistakes in each of those games, but I don't know what else I can do right now. Maybe I'll upload replays and let the general public tell me how awful I am.

I just jungled Taric 30 minutes ago. He's Maokai with more damage and heals, and I was able to turn that game around and carry with my amazing ganks, counterganks, burst, and objective speed. I'd have no problems jungling him in Ranked if we needed a CC AP jungle and I couldn't grab Mumu or Malph.

For those of you there for the Taric v. Nidalee lane, that was a great example of how stupid Top Taric is. My two deaths were both due to simple map awareness problems. I mean, I stomped lane anyway, (135 to 75 cs, lol) but it would have been a perfect game if I had played just a little better. Oh well.

I'm going to both top and jungle him in ranked starting tomorrow. Over 4 games as jungle/top/TT top Taric, my K/D/A is 7.0/2.8/9.0. Just the 2 as SR Top Taric it's 6.0/2.0/7.5 It's ludicrous how good he is. Absolutely ludicrous. I suggest you all buy and learn him before he gets nerfed.

[TehBrawlGuy]

Jungle Taric has one stun and no way to actually *stick* to people.

Mao can check bushes. Mao has an ACTUAL gap closer that roots his target and makes him mobile and makes him briefly untargetable (dropping tower aggro even for a moment -- clutch). Once Maokai initiates, he has a secondary ability which slows his target and physically moves them, preventing them from escaping.

Like.

No.

Don't even fucking compare the two.


Jungle Taric CAN work as part of an IDEAL team comp. But he is not a good jungler. His kit does not support it. Do you know why jungle Warwick is not remotely terrifying before Level 6? Same reason Taric is a mere gimmick as a "jungler."

You have redbuff 3/5th of the time, you rush IG, you take MS quints, and you have Ghost, so you alleviate sticking pretty well. (I could stick to Teemo) He's also not that reliant on sticking, because he bursts

hard

in his stun window.

He clears at 4:20, he's a walking Chain Vest, Pickaxe, Longsword, and Blasting Wand. He heals and CCs tons in a protracted fight, and he does tons of damage.


Warwick isn't scary because his ganks are awful pre-6. Taric can gank very well @ 2.

Obviously a support tank jungle is situational, but he does it well.

As far as CC, a 1.5 sec ranged, targeted stun on a 6 sec CD is definitely a decent bit of CC. It's not Nautilus, but it's definitely quite a bit.

[TehBrawlGuy]

Oh, and IG comes up so many times in a fight it's not even funny. Tons of AoE slows.

[TehBrawlGuy]

He clears a lot better after his first, for one. AS marks exist.

You have ~360 MS barefoot at level 1, and like 412 with unenchanted boots 2. If you get alacrity, furor, or Zephyr, that goes through the roof.

Sheen first is awful. Glaicial Shroud into IG.


@TheButtonmen:
Taric selfheals for 420 or 480ish during ult, (with just two big items and level 13) and he gets this off 3-4 times in a teamfight, and usually twice during a dive. He can also heal an ally prefight or during the fight. I got tons of heals seiging, in protracted fights, etc.
Taric stuns instead of snares, has no risk of them jumping under tower like Mao does, and has it on a 6 sec CD.
Taric has 30 AoE armor shred.
Mao's ult can be moved out of and has a CD. Taric always gives armor. (and he gives a lot more than 12-18) Taric's ult also gives tons of free offensive stats.
Taric just does way, way more damage. I could chunk squishies in teamfights for 2/3rds with a full combo, and 100-0 if they were alone and away from a tower. (EAARWAAAA > EWAA if away from help)

I'm not saying he's better than Mao, but he's pretty insane if you play him well. Try him. I was skeptical until actually playtesting it.

@Zepher: What's the community response?

[TehBrawlGuy]

Glacial shroud and Spirit of Golem are definitely early pickups for Taric since his passive will help turn the mana into damage. Frozen heart is fine enough but if you need damage Gauntlet is going to be a better item if only because it gives more flat mana and Taric CAN take advantage of the slow field.

CDR is a stat Taric is going to build into anyways, so it's really only the first 5 or 6 levels that are going to be hard, and considering Taric's clear time is faster and higher health than mot other tank/support junglers and he has a point-and-click stun it could be worse.
Gauntlet is definitely a worth-it item if you get it early since it lets you stick to champs after you stun them (stun, close gap, AA and apply the slow field) and he can cycle abilities to keep procing the field/sheen. Stun proc, shatter proc and then you get procs from random heals. Lategame your job is going to be peeling for the carries and the slow field will give you a lot of utility in that regard.

I'm not saying Gauntlet is a must-buy on Taric now, but the Utility it brings is totally worth it imo.
Plus Sheen isn't the problem since it'll help him clear faster and the AP from sheen will help him scale if only a little.

You can actually play it by ear whether or not you should peel for carries. You can play him very much like malph/mumu, where you just dive into the enemy team and blow everything up. We had a Rengar on my team, so giving him a dive buddy was quite useful.

[TehBrawlGuy]

"I GOT TOP"
>feeds 6 kills and goes down 60 CS.

>lulu eats zenith blades while standing next to me

Soloq whyyyyyyy

Need duo partners, would also be interested in a 3s team.

[TehBrawlGuy]

>akali gets 60 cs in a 20 minute game
>hecarim decides to feed my lane fb and then never gank again
>other lanes feed 7 kills to Fizz

Fucking soloq god damn it. This is supposed to be my day to play games, but I just don't even want to anymore.

[TehBrawlGuy]

So I used TehBrawlGuy's toplane taric build.

Holy shit the sustaiiiiin. I laned against an Olaf and completely curbstomped him. Sadly, my team was uncarryable.

Just don't try doing it against Nasus. He just farms for days and you can't do shit about it.

[TehBrawlGuy]

>go 3/0/3 TT top
>team feeds, we lose

This day ;-;

[TehBrawlGuy]

Literally the worst player I've laned against in months. He started and maxed Spirit Fire. My two deaths were in a 3v1 and 2v1 (got the kill) after I made it my mission to make Nasus die as much as possible.

Those ganks are just brutal though. If you don't have a ward, you are going to die. We can towerdive all day too.

[TehBrawlGuy]

(But for reals, bear+voli ganks is terrifying)

That would be a terrifying glitch indeed.

Annie + Voli

would be un

bear

able

[TehBrawlGuy]

I just died a little

Quadz was doing bear puns repeatedly in allchat that game.

[TehBrawlGuy]

Got blitz in a normal.

Always super fun.

[TehBrawlGuy]

I like free skins and more champs, so I'm happy.

[TehBrawlGuy]

support mages make poor supports.
Is karma gonna be a mid now?

Zyra would like a word with you.

In other news, I can apparently play Tristana and Leona okayish despite my lack of time with both. This makes me happy.

[TehBrawlGuy]

It depends on how you define support mage. Leona's and Blitz are supports despite providing nothing but aggression and CC, so I definite support as anyone that can go bot with an ADC and usually do well. Mage is an AP mid laner, so support mage is anyone that can do both.

Zyra's still an okay mid, but she got nerfed hard from how OP she was on release.

Karma is definitely able to mid. A subpar mid, sure, but it's Karma so that's obv.

[TehBrawlGuy]

Karma never at any point served the purpose of a true support. She's too aggressive and too item dependant.
Karma is a good support in the same way Lux is a good support. You do one or two things pretty well at the cost of pushing the lane and you get kills if you do things right. Plus a shield.

The point of a support mage is to provide utility to the team while still doing damage. Not like a true support who's function is basically to babysit one or two champs at a time and prove presence in the lane/on the map regardless of how much damage you do; in most cases you're creating opportunities for your team to the damage for you as opposed to doing all the damage yourself.

ex:
Morgana has her shield, a snare and her ult
Orianna has a shield, a moveable AoE hast/slow, and her ult displacement. ALL of Orianna's abilities do damage. I feel like she's the best example of a Support mage.
Lux has a line AoE shield, a double snare and an AoE slow
Zyra has a root, a slow, her plants grant vision, and an AoE knockup

Along with the fact that these champs all do Tons of Damage(tm)
Their kits allow them to be aggressive while still providing utility for their team to be successful. Not necessarily that they're an AP mid and ALSO a bot duo support. Get it?
I'm just curious if they're going to make her more like Orianna or Morgana in terms of lategame power...

edit:
I think her art is really well done. Her new robes and stuff are really reminiscent of old female shamans/wizards/spiritual leaders who were respected for their wisdom and knowledge. Oh that entirely makes sense because that's the feel they were going for. huh. Funny how that works.

Aside from that I'm always entertained when people with 0 artistic ability try to look down on the things the Riot artists do, and do very well.

Nami is aggressive and utility, but is fairly useless in mid, so would you consider her a support mage?
Leona, Taric, and Sona are all fairly aggressive picks with utility, but I don't consider them support mages. (and I don't think anyone else does)
Soraka and Janna aren't terribly aggressive, but I'd say they're both support mages.


I'd say the simplest definitions of support and mage (not defining it on lane assignments), are "still useful with 0 gold because of utility" and "builds AP for lots of spell damage", so support mage is the intersection of those two archetypes. It's all semantics, though.

I love Karma's new look too.


Also, noooooooo not my Singed nooooooo. ;-; Please nerf Malphite, Elise, Rengar, or someone who actually needs it.



edit: HERP, LET'S NERF ELISE'S Q BY 30 DAMAGE AT MAX RANK AND LEAVE THE % SCALING ALONE, BUT NERF SINGED TO THE GROUND

Seriously, do they not think 20-40 damage + losing 0.25 AP ratio is a little bit much? 0.25! The Tenacity loss is sucky, but it's not horrible. And Taric is going to become bleh as of those nerfs. His stun's not a one point wonder anymore, (although it's still good at lower ranks) and his W damage went down. I guess it's a good thing I bought Leona.

Seriously, do you have to give the Olaf treatment to my favorite champs? I get that they're too good right now, but please do not nerf them into sucksville.

[TehBrawlGuy]

I'd say the simplest definitions of support [...] (not defining it on lane assignments) [is] "still useful with 0 gold[...]"

Congratulations on defining exactly what you said you weren't defining. For a clear and correct definition of what you thought you were defining but weren't, refer to the Zepher post you inexplicably think is wrong.

(generally) Support things = utility = no farm needed things. It is because of this that we have a 0 CS support meta, not the other way around. Every single thing he listed requires 0 gold, because they are utilities/enablers rather than skills that put out high numbers. (although they are capable of high damage, given farm) Classifying things into "true support" and other variants is, to me, silly. In a game largely about dropping enemy champs to 0, supportive things are anything that doesn't output large numbers, and instead enables other players to drop those numbers. Supports, then, are anyone who can play with that as their primary function and goal. Because of the fact that supportive/utility functions either don't scale or scale poorly with gold, but scale just fine with levels, we're able to be in a 0 CS meta without 0 CS supports being useless.

You can be as detailed or eloquent as you please, but the shortest and simplest definition truly is "useful with 0 gold". Brevity is a lost art. Again, though, it's all semantics and fairly pointless.

P.S. I acknowledged that, despite the "someone who actually needs that" bit. Singed has like 2nd highest winrate iirc; it just frustrates me that out of high win %s they're hitting a higher skillcap champ rather than a lower one. (any idiot can play Singed; it's just damn hard to play him well) I just feel the changes are misplaced. Singed will still do essentially the same damage in teamfights, where he's the big problem. The tenacity loss doesn't address that, because you usually grab mercs and the tenacity mastery, so it wasn't much after it stacked. It's just now even worse to try and get any kills without a jungler, because your burst just got shot to hell. He's still going to be annoying, (especially post-catalyst, if building RoA) because until he gets RoA/Rylai's, it's not much damage lost, and top is snowbally by nature. If you've lost lane against a Singed, you're still going to be in Shitsville. If he gets to teamfights, you're still in for pain. He became more gank reliant, but only a little worse at trades, since Q's his main damage and he can't flip too much without going oom. Singed is already a late-game champ, I just don't want him becoming Nasus-esque in that I can't really stomp games until super late, and so I have to pray for an okay team. I should be able to kill my lane without jungle help if I'm decently ahead, and now I have to be a lot further ahead to do it.

tl;dr Fed Singed will still eat your soul in teamfights. He's just harder to get fed, since his kill potential in lane went way down. This indirectly addressed the issue by making his hard lane phase even tougher, instead of directly addressing it by making his teamfight worse. (ult defense/regen/MS are what I'd have hit for teamfights, and Q/E mana costs if I wanted to nerf lane)


As far as Taric, I think he's going to run into the same problem Ashe/Blitz lanes run into. You dump everything, they don't die, and then they proceed to dump everything and melt you. Unless you're Graves or someone else with a super-short burst window, that missing 0.4 seconds will hurt a lot. Even if you ARE Graves, that still hurts a lot. If they have a blink, fast dash, or have flash up, anyone you stun will probably be able to blink your ERW combo unless you max-range it, which just sucks. (especially if they have tenacity) If you do what's probably going to be the most effective, (in lane, at least) which is taking a fast burst carry and leveling WQE, it's hurting your peel and lategame more than anything else, which entirely misses what they said was the point. It also firmly fucks bruiser and jungle Tarics, which were actually a working thing now. They could have hit his armor aura %, AA damage, passive, heal, ult, or anything, but they hit a big part of what made him Taric (an amazing stun at level 1), and entirely wrecked other ways of playing him. Bruiser/Top Taric can't get ERWAA off on anyone with Mercs now, and Jungle Taric's ganking and clears got shot in the foot stupidly hard. I never appreciate balance that makes two roles unviable, but this is especially bad since I personally love love love Bruiser Taric. I really hope that since it's PBE, the nerfs will be different on live.

[TehBrawlGuy]

The basic definition of support is that they operate by making someone/everyone else better.

Yeah. What I was saying is that the litmus test for that is generally how useful they are if they have no gold, (since utility is inherent) even if it's not 100% accurate.

[TehBrawlGuy]

I'm Silver IV at the moment, (demotion due to afk/troll streak ;_;)so hit me up if that's near you.

[TehBrawlGuy]

Playing ranked for a lot of today, would love a duoq for help carrying and for funsies. IGN is same name as here, hit me up.

[TehBrawlGuy]

Not trying to #soloqproblems, but how do you win games where J4 has 3 kills, LB has 7 (!!!), and your support provides no presence? I got like 70 cs in a 20 minute game, because despite my fb double, I couldn't step up to the creep without Soraka and MF poking me while Lux sat at turret, probably because we had no ward coverage.

I just want to get better at this game, but it's so hard when I spend 25 minutes just waiting to GG it because it's clearly over. (not being defeatist, but 7/0 LB and the team down 10 kills with 0 peel feels pretty bad)

[TehBrawlGuy]

"We're losing, therefore I can't learn" is a terrible attitude. Any situation in which one does something wrong is a chance to learn.

I couldn't step up to the creep without Soraka and MF poking me while Lux sat at turret, probably because we had no ward coverage.

This is where he learns what warding is and that it's something that not only the support does. It's also where he learns to farm at tower so he doesn't get 59 cs in 20 minutes and call it 70. It's also where he learns how to play more safely in lane.


He had 8 deaths that game and the other team apparently had a fed Leblanc. How much do you want to bet at least one of those deaths wasn't from LEBLANC OUT OF NOWHERE? This is where he learns not to step out into areas of the map alone when his team doesn't have vision.


And so on and so forth. Unless he did nothing wrong that game, there's something to learn from it and saying "NOPE, CAN'T LEARN, WAITING 25 MINUTES TO LOSE" is a terrible attitude.

I'm not awful, I know how to ward and that I should as any role if I can't keep myself 100% safe. The only "gank" I died to was a behind-the-tower assault from LB after she already was super fed.

One of them was a LB OUT OF NOWHERE, after we were like 15 kills , 2 drags, 4 turrets, and an inhib down. I just lost all fun and/or morale. I knew it was probably stupid before did it, but it's not like the game was winnable at that point.

I was farming well at tower until Lux pushed the wave repeatedly. I can't un-push a lane unless I can reset it or something.

As far as the attitude, it's hard as hell to tell what I'm even doing wrong when I'm dying with no peel. Even if I do everything (what seems to be) right, I die anyway because LB/Mao/J4 jump me and I blow up even if I get out alive. There's no feedback. In a solo lane or a decently balanced lane, I can actually see what I'm doing and how it affects the game. If I knew how the hell to learn anything from a game like this, I'd at least be okay learning. As of now it's just a waste of my time, and I'd like to change that if possible. If you want to spectate or play a normal with me and tell me what I'm doing wrong, please do. I'm not interested in whining about shitty teams, but obviously I have to explain exactly what was going on there

I don't know, maybe I'm too hard on people that consistently post in this thread to whine about their OMG NOOB FEEDER TEAMMATES, but how hard is it to take the good with the bad and let it balance out while trying to improve the one person on your team you have control over? If you have some terrible player on your team in 80% of your games over the span of 100 games that causes you to lose, you are the least lucky man alive, you have issues with perception/memory, or the problem is you. One of those 3 options is least likely by a very very wide margin.

tl;dr: Keep playing and improving. If you find that you're not moving up after a lot of games, don't blame your teammates.

That's exactly what I'm trying to do, I just have no idea how. I'm not trying to vent or whine, I'm just legitimately confused about what the hell it is I'm supposed to do.

ftr, though, when I preface the whole post with "I'm not trying to complain, but seriously, how do you win these games?", you could stand to be less of an ass. If I'm already frustrated and down and making a legitimate request for advice, I don't need high-and-mighty all in my face. I need legitimate, down to earth help. If you want to give that to me, I'd gratefully take it.

[TehBrawlGuy]

TBG, you should start stretching to improve your confidence in league!

That's fascinating.

Jungle tax is stupid and people who try to use it as an excuse to steal a creep or two should feel bad.

1. Did you kill the hero / drive them out of lane?
Yes - Just start pushing and ram the lane to tower or take down the tower while they're gone.
No - Then go to 2.

2. Did you get the opponent's summoners?
Yes - Then FFS don't push the wave, you want to leave and come back and murder them before they get a chance to reward or get flash back up.
No - You didn't help your laner so don't put them behind by soaking up XP / CS.

How dare someone on your team get money?

They don't get money, though. The money doesn't conjure itself. They literally steal it from you.

It's awful when the champ who's presence is global, is the most roaming, is the least well farmed of any non-support, and still somehow in charge of objectives gets gold. It really is.

Aside from blatant dumbness or selfishness, junglers need that gold. If I just spent half a minute ganking your lane instead of farming, and I didn't at least get assist gold, I'm falling behind. Obviously, if I can come back in a minute to get that assist gold, pushing is dumb, but if I can't, I need that gold .

There is a balance to be had. If you only focus on your teammates, then you'll never improve, but if you always focus on yourself, you'll get depressed. Also keep in mind that you can learn from your teammates' mistakes as well. When they make a bad play, don't think "OMG noob team", and for the love of god don't abuse them in chat. Instead, think of what they should have done in that situation. Then, if you're put there some game, you'll make the right choice.

And never, EVER, forget that this is a game and you are supposed to have fun. I've played some really fun games that I ended up losing, just because I invested my energy into enjoying myself and not into trying to win at all costs.

How can I do that when generally I can't even see what they did? If they're dying across the map, all I know is that _____ is fed and ______ is feeding. As far as bad plays in teamfights, it's always the same things. No peel, getting caught out, positioning mistakes, over chasing, etc.

Yeah, I just don't really have fun when I'm not getting any feedback. Losing lane/game to a team that legitimately plays better than I do is somewhat fun. Losing the game to someone that can just faceroll me because they're stupidly fed sucks. I had an awesome TT game today where I started 4/0, but my team fed a Gold AD Yi, and hilarity ensued. He rolled his way from like 1/4 to 12/4, one inhib, and one base turret down for us, thanks to our lack of coordination and CC. (Shy, Eve, Taric) Then I finally just said. "I am going to not stun anything, wait for Yi to jump us, and then stun him. BLOW HIM UP WHILE WE CAN." And so we did. He was surviving it with Meditate before we started to even the game, but once we did, he just would go boom instantly. He made a brilliant backdoor attempt and got the nexus turret and some damage on the Nexus, but I b'd quickly and stopped him. After a long series of teamfights and barely surviving, we did end up winning the game, but I would have still had a ton of fun if we lost it. For the last 15-20 minutes it was literally one bad fight and they'd GG.

I actually learned in that game, because I got feedback from the game. I would stun Yi when he overextended, but we weren't able to burst him fast enough since we had to walk there, and he'd ace us. When I saved it for when he was on top of us already, we blew him up even with perfect Galio ults on us. I learned how stupidly important it is to save that stun, and my Taric play has definitely improved as a result. Nidalee was chunking our Eve with pre-fight spears until I started blocking them with my face. (I could heal 2/3rds of it away on the spot, lol) I learned some about how you should play tanky characters, and do things like literally walk into every spear to cover your team's poor positioning.

[TehBrawlGuy]

ftr, though, when I preface the whole post with "I'm not trying to complain, but seriously, how do you win these games?", you could stand to be less of an ass. If I'm already frustrated and down and making a legitimate request for advice, I don't need high-and-mighty all in my face. I need legitimate, down to earth help. If you want to give that to me, I'd gratefully take it.

1) Don't preface a complaint with "I'm not trying to complain"

2) Don't die 8 times

3) Farm better/convince your support to help you so you can farm better/farm under tower/ figure out how to get you average about where it needs to be. (Good = 75 per 10min, Average = 50 per 10, Less than 50 per 10 = it's probably your fault)

4) You're gonna lose 40% of your games even if you're the best player in the world. Don't let it get you down. Stay positive, try to win the winnable ones

1) It wasn't a complaint. I know there are Plat/Diamond players that can get 80% winrates on Silver smurfs, so clearly most of these games are winnable by players better than myself. I did have to actually explain how fed the enemy team was for context. If they were like 6 kills up or something, "don't suck, position better" would have applied.

2) How would I have gone about doing that, considering who the enemy team was and how fed they were? I average 3.8/game. That's obviously nothing to write home about, but it's not 8.

3) I average a little under 150/game with Corki. (and that counts games like this where I just can't CS at all) Not amazing, but I don't think it's subpar, and I like to think that's somewhat offset by the fact that I'm usually playing pretty aggressive and get a little under 7 kills/game.

4) I try to, but I'm legitimately confused as to how the hell you win them. Here's my average K/D/A (in order) with Ryze, Corki, Sona, Taric, and Nunu, the five champs I know best and play the most of currently:

6.2/game 3.4/game 6.4/game
6.8/game 4.2/game 6.4/game
1.5/game 4.5/game 13.1/game
1.2/game 3.3/game 12.4/game
1.4/game 3.9/game 14.3/game


I'm consistently winning my lane by at LEAST 2.6 kills, over periods of ~40 games, so why have I lost 7 more than I've won this season? I just don't get it at all. I'm not just focusing on kills, I keep running Drag timers and, as Jungle, get more drags/barons than I lose.

My K/D/A over all ~160 of my ranked games this season 3.4/3.8/9.4. Considering about 60 of those were support games, I'm very happy with it.


@Brandi: That was dead serious. One of my IRL friends is planning to major in psychology, (and everyone can tell, lol) and I have a passing interest in it myself, so I thought that was really cool. It's absolutely crazy how the chemistry in your body affects your behavior.

[TehBrawlGuy]

I'm serious about 1 and 2.

Never fucking do it.

Zero excuses.

I typically don't bring up KDA, but I brought it up to help isolate what my problem is. (i.e. it's clearly not losing lane or CSing badly)

5) How far would you go to include this on ADCs or assassins?

7) What do you mean?

I try to keep everyone positive as much as possible. One of my duoq partners will bitch at any lane that goes 0-2 and will lose all morale if we fall about 4 kills behind. He is one of the best carries I've ever seen, and clearly mid-high Gold material in terms of skill. (only gameplay problems are bad map awareness and judgement calls, he has amazing mechanics)

He sits in Silver III thanks to his rage, and I reap free elo by catching him while he's calm, talking him down if he rages, fixing his map awareness/bad judgement, and by playing jungle and proceeding to essentially forget what bot lane is, unless I'm getting a free kill there or ward covering for a bad support. I got from like 1100-1350 in like 5 days with him; it was glorious. He's also 13, which is both hilarious and incredibly demoralizing, considering how damn good he is. I've never met a more exact version of "that CoD/Halo kid".

Anyway, I should be on all day today, (Monday) so if anyone wants to duoq with me, or even normals/spectate to help me figure out what I'm doing wrong, please do! I have a feeling it may be this:

His team was pretty much behind the whole game, and I don't know how he did it but he kept picking the fights his team could win. He'd die in a couple of initiations, he killed a couple but mostly had his team do it. But it was really impressive to see how he kept finding the fights where his team, even if behind, could score a positive result. He won that game for them even if the enemy team had been ahead till only the last bit.

I had a game as Amumu with Ankamius, and I'd land these amazing 4-5 man QRE combos, but we'd still lose the fight. I kept wondering aloud why we were losing fights when I was repeatedly hitting perfect ults. I still don't know exactly why.

Your whole goal is to stroke your teams ego, herd them into taking objectives, take the blame for everything that goes wrong and to buy fuck tons of wards. You'll be surprised by how few trolls / ragers are on your team once you start getting other lanes ahead by being a roaming pain in the ass for the other team.

This. #1 reason I have a positive win rate in ranked this season right here. It's not that big of a sample size (since I've only played 22 games), but I'm currently 4-2 as support just by spraying the map with wards and forcing the rest of my team to pay attention to what's on the map.

To anyone who has to play support in a game,

keep dragon pink warded from minute 5 all the way to minute 35.

It's a really simple thing to keep track of, but it can drastically improve your chances of winning a game. Make sure all the common entrances for the opposite team is green warded whenever you're about to take dragon. Keep baron pink warded after about minute 20 or so. If you have room to put down another ward on your sightstone, you're doing it wrong.

The best mids to take in my opinion for low ELO games are ganking/assassin mids that are really good at roaming. Akali, Ahri, Lux, Twisted Fate are the ones that come to mind immediately, but it's not exhaustive by any means. Keep your lane shoved and roam around the map to help your other lanes win. If you're doing this correctly, you will have a good chance of being able to snowball at least one of the other lanes. Depending what side you're on, you could even go into the enemy jungle and go behind the dragon/baron pit to gank through the tri-bush if you would be relatively safe doing it. Just be careful about doing that; you're probably better off not doing it if you're not sure you won't be ganked while moving through it.

The last thing I want to make clear is that one person being fed doesn't mean that the game is over by a longshot. TehBrawlGuy can testify to this; we played a duo queue game a couple days ago where the enemy Xin Zhao got around six kills within the first 15 minutes of the game by camping bot lane and ganking me in mid once for a kill. Within ten minutes, we all got our shit together and started winning every single teamfight by a landslide. Caitlyn and I (Ahri) would do a ton of damage while TBG (Singed), Zilean, and Jarvan 4 repositioned the hell out of them for us. This was only really possible by us getting a few lucky ganks and catching people off guard, but this would easily have been a significantly different game if the Zilean's annoyance (since he was really the only one feeding; Caitlyn had one death the entire game) had caused more of us to go on tilt or if the constant camping of bot lane had snowballed into other lanes more effectively.

Like literally, following the list TBM posted will do so much. If you're following that and doing all you can to learn more about the game and how to play it, getting to Gold or Platinum should be much easier with practice and diligence.

Oh, man, that game. Another few things that can definitely be learned from that game are that you have literally no excuse for dying in lane, and that you should always, always, try and slow the bleeding, even in an obviously lost lane. I countered myself super-hard in champ select, (was thinking quinn = adc, forgot she was also a bruiser) but I ended up only dying once in lane, and that was on an all-in I had entirely screwed up. Quinn managed to win in CS by a lot, and took my tower, but I managed to entirely prevent her from outputting presence. I let her push waves into turret and got the CS from those that I could, (she could still poke me very easily, even farming under turret) but I just stayed in lane and willingly missed lots of CS to avoid poke. Because I was constantly in lane, I was not behind in levels, and Quinn was pinned there all game while Anakmius snowballed. Quinn didn't snowball (she lost in kills, thanks to Ahri ganks) and still built pretty squishy, so I wrecked her in teamfights by simply flinging her into 4 people and watching her blow up.

It was amazing. Zilean + Singed is also incredibly hilarious.

Having played with me, is there anything on that lists I don't do?

[TehBrawlGuy]

5) How far would you go to include this on ADCs or assassins?

7) What do you mean?

It's quite simple, don't play ADC's or assassins.

ADC's are literally the worst role to solo queue as because you have no effect on the game for the first fifteen-twenty mins, you're stuck in your lane, you're item reliant and you need your team to peel for you.

Assassins are also pretty bad because it's snowball or bust and they're also extremely item dependent.

If your playing solely to earn ladder points then it's a lot easier to outplay the enemy team then it is to outplay the enemies individually.

In those games where I'm forced into ADC, or I'm late in pick and they have no hard CC for Kat, etc. what should I do?

[TehBrawlGuy]

If I played this game for e-peen, I wouldn't be asking internet peoples for help. lol

I get my jimmies from clutch plays, anyway. I had a support game where we had frozen lane just before tower and their support was camping river, so I couldn't really re-ward it. Surprise Rammus rolls down while I'm in the warded bot river brush and beelines me for what would be an easy kill. (my adc's already under tower) I juke through him with flash, bait him to powerball

just

into tower range, Crescendo his face, Q + Powerchord him, and just watch him melt. I had already flashjuked a lane gank that game, and my ADC was pretty impressed.

That is the best feel.

Edit: Often enough. Mid/top always get called fast, and if I'm last pick because I'm duo with a higher elo friend, it happens. You'd pick Vayne in soloq? I love her to death but I've stayed away from playing her in ranked.

[TehBrawlGuy]

She can nearly 100-0. Q > LB Powerchord AA > Ult > Q is a kill.

[TehBrawlGuy]

She can nearly 100-0. Q > LB Powerchord AA > Ult > Q is a kill.

Yes but that's really late game. The AP carries I mentioned can 100-0 by level 6 with little to no items.

Lux really can't without some prior damage, the other two are super-bursty. Sona's more like Swain. Sona also enables ganks hardcore.

[TehBrawlGuy]

"enemy team second picks Singed"

"CAPTAIN TEEMO ON DUTY"

Stomped dat lane so hard.

[TehBrawlGuy]

that's what happens

It's just stupidly fun to shit on one of the best champs in the game because you are the hardest counter in the game. Teemo's just hilarious. I got FB by flash igniting + AAing him under tower and just walking away with W and waiting for it. Singed got me to 1/3rd after I took some tower shots thanks to my DoT, and Hec came in to gank. I had no wards, but I had the river + tri shroomed, and he ate 3 of them. I walked to him, and thanks to Liandry's, I just blew him up on the spot.

Carrying games as sona feels really good sometimes. Went from being solo bot against a Quinn and Taric (our ADC yi...you heard me right...was DCed for 8 minutes then just sat in lane getting no feed; our top Jax was DCed for 6 minutes though, so) to destroying them as I went 3/0/20. #soloqsuccess, fuck this soloq problem noise. We should get some inspirational stories in here.

One of my ranked games today:

Was 2nd pick purple, called mid. Top, support, and ADC got called as well. Bans happen, and we notice Malph is open.

Me: Hey top, can you play Malph?
Top: I can, but I don't own him. =/
Me: Mind letting me top then? I can play him well.
Top: Sure. I'll be taking mid then.
Support: Going support nid
Me: Could you please not?
Support: I'm good with her, dw
Me: Alright, great.

So I take Malph, and enemy Garen shows up. I'm waiting for them to pick a carry so I see who I can break, and boom. Urgot last picked. Game starts, I ask if Cait she knows how to deal with Urgot since he's uncommon. She replies in the affirmative. Lane starts, and it's going pretty well for me. Garen's pushing pretty hard, but I'm not missing any creep and I'm in great position to FB him when Vi ganks. Lane continues. Cait gives up FB and I'm sad, but w/e, I wreck every carry and I'm stacking armor/health anyway. I tab to check out the game, and Vi is super behind. (she admitted later she did not know how to jungle and just picked it because the rest was called) 12 minutes pass, and I finally give up a death in a Lee gank, barely missing getting Garen out of the deal. Still no ganks from Vi, despite Garen pushing 24/7. Cait and Nid feed more, Vi feeds, and Kass is even with a few deaths. Vi finally visits my lane after I've shoved it to tower. She botches the gank by approaching from the front, but my RQ + tanking the tower get her the kill anyway. Teamfights start and we're 8 kills and a few towers down. I blow up Viktor with REQ. and catch Urgot with it too. Kass jumps him and we win the teamfight. Next teamfight starts before my ult was up, and they ace us and push. I respawn and ult them as they were retreating from inhib. Q and randuin's slow them enough for us to get 4 kills out of the deal, and I got a double. Garen comes on in allchat: GG, viktor ragequit.

We proceed to roll the 4v5 and win, with our Kass saying (clearly the best of the other 4 and super fed now) "GG, malphite carred. We'd have lost without him."

Dat feel.

[TehBrawlGuy]

Just had a game where I brought back a team from 10 kills down to ahead thanks to great plays and playcalling. ...and then the ADC blew it by getting caught.

I feel both incredibly happy and like I want to throw my mouse. It's... odd.

[TehBrawlGuy]

5 game winning streak. For the last one, I got 3 LP.

League does NOT want me to get out of bronze I.

Just keep winning and get your MMR up. It's like this because you can never drop back down, so once you get it, you'll have it forever.

[TehBrawlGuy]

I'm not even mad that I laned against a plat; that was just an excuse I made up because I was bad at farming under turret. I ended up 1v1ing him and winning eventually as well as finding out a few key things about Jax.

You should teach me. I've been meaning to learn Jax; he's one of the few champs I own but can't play.

[TehBrawlGuy]

Anyone particularly brave up for helping me win my series? 1/1 so far, next game decides it.

[TehBrawlGuy]

Anyone particularly brave up for helping me win my series? 1/1 so far, next game decides it.

What division are you in?

Silver IV. I started in III, but 4 games in a row of afks/trolls op. Climb back was at least easy.

[TehBrawlGuy]

I don't mind at all, normally. Considering I'm at my last game of a series. I'd like do a normal or something first.

Too late to do it today, though.

[TehBrawlGuy]

Alright, I need to learn more mid/top/jungle champions. Ahri mid, Renekton/Jax top, and Vi/Nocturne jungle is not going to cut it.

Since I have assassin mostly covered, what other 'roles' for these lanes should I be looking into most and which champions would be best to cover my weaknesses there? I know jack shit about specific counters in mid and top lane, so anyone who has a lot of knowledge in those that can help with this would be great.

You need an AP top and AP junglers. You're missing good sustained damage picks mid, someone super-strong midgame top, and good AoE comp champs for all positions. As far as mid, anyone with the ability to dodge Ahri's skillshots, shut her mobility down, or hit with targeted abilities
(so she can't R dodge them) are generally strong picks against her. Ryze does the last two, for example.

Just played a couple of games with Evelyn.

She's still super strong, at least at this elo. People don't know how to deal with her when she can just instantly 100-0 the ADC with DFG Ult Ignite.

They also don't know to be scared of her roaming on backs. Literally both of my last Eve games, I backed, then went bot and got a free double because idgaf about green wards.

[TehBrawlGuy]

AP tops are garbage, as are AP junglers. They're at an automatic disadvantage due to the need to scale and the general lack of escapes.
I'm not saying it won't work, you can make it work of course, but the only real reason you do AP tops is for the magic damage and forcing the enemy laner to itemize magic resist.

Irelia and Elise are really good tops (Elise is also an AP top, her mana costs are really high now and her teamfight is garbage).

Diana and Lux are solid mid picks. Lux never gets banned but she gets picked often, even in high elo which is weird.
Eve is also really good if you know how to roam correctly. Most people don't play her now because she's not OP anymore.

Junglers... pick up Maokai and Jarvin. Both do relatively the same thing for your team in terms of ganking but offer different damage types.

>singed
>rumble
>cho
>teemo
>malphite
>vlad

you're right, all clearly garbage tops


It's just one of those things that you have to be prepared to play occasionally. When you have Panth mid and Xin jungle, you can't just go Jax and have it be k. You could when S3 started and cleaver was broken, but not really anymore.

Lux is really solid, but she's closer to Ahri than I'd advocate if he wants to only play a few mids. Poke with skillshot, hit skillshot CC, dump damage and instaboom. Lux has more range and is a lot safer, but something like Ryze/Morg or Swain/Kennen rounds him out better imo.

[TehBrawlGuy]

@ Anyone saying support has more impact on the game then any of the 4 other roles, name something a support can do that any other role can't do.

Correct mistakes. (to that degree) Nobody fixes slip-ups like supports.

[TehBrawlGuy]

Yeah. One of the people I duoq with just focuses on farm, lets me do the work with Zenith Blades, Q> Powerchord AAs, and Dazzles, and then reaps the kills afterwards.

[TehBrawlGuy]

Leona. You need a super hard CC support and Alistar's meh.

[TehBrawlGuy]

Anyone up for helping me win my series and get back into Silver III?

[TehBrawlGuy]

Shits on top and jangle tarics too much for me though.
Get mercs > no combo.

[TehBrawlGuy]

Background information: I accidentally picked Garen even though we already had a Shen and our jungle. Shen was forced into support.

Spoiler: chat logs

AudioTsunami (4:57): yo i'll duo with you at some point
TehBrawlGuy (5:33): duoq?
or too late?
AudioTsunami (5:33): have 5
TehBrawlGuy (5:33): ah
AudioTsunami (7:15): reinvite me
TehBrawlGuy (7:21): **** me
AudioTsunami (7:22): dodge
TehBrawlGuy (7:22): can't
promo series
;-;
AudioTsunami (7:22): **** that
afk
TehBrawlGuy (7:22): dodge for me please?
AudioTsunami (7:22): **** that
you fucked up
not me
(8:03): yeah sticking me with a not support is ********
and you should of ******* dodged
TehBrawlGuy (8:04): and canceled my series?
AudioTsunami (8:04): I'm super happy you lost anyway cause you fucked it in the first place
TehBrawlGuy (8:04): I'd rather a chance than just NOPE FUCKED
AudioTsunami (8:04): there was no chance
when you gave me Shen, it was over
(8:13): Seriously though, How do you think you shouldn't of dodged there?
TehBrawlGuy (8:13): Dodging auto-cancels the series.
AudioTsunami (8:13): You randomed a champed and forced a guy who isn't a real a support to support
TehBrawlGuy (8:13): I'm in the same place now I'd have been if I dodged.
AudioTsunami (8:13): It's your fault
You lost the game because you randomed your champo
TehBrawlGuy (8:13): It was an accident and you could have covered it
AudioTsunami (8:13): and you wasted 36 minutes to do it
Why do I have to lose points because you're an idiot
?
You fucked up your series
TehBrawlGuy (8:14): If literally anyone had played like not-**** we'd have been fine
AudioTsunami (8:14): why should you get to lose the game for everyone just because you're in a series
TehBrawlGuy (8:14): I went 14-2
AudioTsunami (8:14): I didn't play like ****
I stomped my lane out
then your lane and the fed jungler dove me every fight
with no cc
no protection
no one even tried to protect me
oh and you focused cho like every ******* fight
the guy with 3k health
Instead of dravem
The guy who won them the game
TehBrawlGuy (8:15): Draven was kiting the **** out of me.
Not really much I can do to gapclose
after Q's down
AudioTsunami (8:15): then instead of diving him how about you kill the guys diving into us?
fiora and xin?
cause that's why we lost
you and Lee getting kited and me dying as shen misses his taunt
TehBrawlGuy (8:16): If I didn't disrupt Draven he would literally just stand there and auto us to death
I was taking 2-3 people out of every fight
usually both carries
AudioTsunami (8:17): you were ******* taking cho and sometimes the support
out
that's worthless
and meaningless
and lost us the game
TehBrawlGuy (8:17): and I was stopping the ADC from DPSing at all
AudioTsunami (8:17): the guys tearing us up were xin and draven
except that isn't true
cause he had 11 kils
because he cleaned you up
TehBrawlGuy (8:17): because he'd clean up
AudioTsunami (8:18): cause when you let the rest of your team die
TehBrawlGuy (8:18): >clean me up
>2 deaths
k
AudioTsunami (8:18): clean you and lee
dude.. I'm silver 1, you're silver 4
there's a reason for that
and it was on full display in that game
You randomed your champ
TehBrawlGuy (8:18): Congratulations on your e-peen
AudioTsunami (8:18): you forced a top laner to support
congrats on playing like ****
and losing your series
TehBrawlGuy (8:18): >14/2
AudioTsunami (8:19): and taking points from me
TehBrawlGuy (8:19): >herp
AudioTsunami (8:19): so what?
You ******* lost
TehBrawlGuy (8:19): I stomped the **** out of my lane
AudioTsunami (8:19): you didn't accomplish anything
TehBrawlGuy (8:19): then came to mid
AudioTsunami (8:19): I did too
TehBrawlGuy (8:19): and stomped that too
AudioTsunami (8:19): I took mid and bot
two towers bot
oh did I mention you fucked me by sticking shen in my lane?
TehBrawlGuy (8:19): and then you built glass
and wondered why you got blown up
AudioTsunami (8:20): lol.. you're the stupidest player i know
TehBrawlGuy (8:20): like, no offense, but you're not perfect either
AudioTsunami (8:20): I'm the adc you idiot
umm, you tell me what i'm supposed to to do when i'm getting gapclosed by a bruiser and an assassin all game
and no one helps me
TehBrawlGuy (8:20): build a ga
AudioTsunami (8:20): they just go and get kited
lol with what money?
TehBrawlGuy (8:20): the money you got from stomping your lane
AudioTsunami (8:21): Build a GA with my 3rd item?
have you ever ******* played adc?
do you even know how to play this game?
no
enjoy silver 4
TehBrawlGuy (8:21): Won't be here long, but I'll enjoy the rolfstomps while I have 'em.
rolfstomps
because rolf
AudioTsunami (8:21): next time dodge when you **** up champ select
and **** your team over
TehBrawlGuy (8:22): Would have if it wasn't a series
AudioTsunami (8:22): lol you should of anyway you selfish piece of ****
TehBrawlGuy (8:22): You should probably work on staying calm
helps a ton with winning games
AudioTsunami (8:23): no, it doesn't
i didn't rage until it was over
oh yeah, did i mention i'm better than you
l2p and you'll actually raise promotion
instead of losing your series and think 14/2 matters
KDA means ******* nothing
you got kited, focused the tank and let the adc die every fight
that's why you are silver 4 and have been for a month
TehBrawlGuy (8:24): *shrug*
AudioTsunami (8:24): you don't deserve to be higher
cause you play like **** and you don't know what you're supposed to be doing
TehBrawlGuy (8:25): I'd rather be a cool Silver IV guy than how you're acting now
AudioTsunami (8:25): i rather be good then a selfish bad player
you fucked my points up because you didn't want to lose a series you deserved to ******* lose because you randomed champ select
TehBrawlGuy (8:25): OH GOD
AudioTsunami (8:25): i should of just afked
TehBrawlGuy (8:25): YOU LOST VIRTUAL POINTS
It's a game, dude.
AudioTsunami (8:26): yeah, now I have to make thepoints up that you ******* stole from me
TehBrawlGuy (8:26): I'm sorry I derped, but it's a game.
AudioTsunami (8:26): that's an hour of my ******* life
TehBrawlGuy (8:26): You could've dodged and lost 3 LP.
and no time
Don't blame me for your choices
AudioTsunami (8:26): you could of dodged cause it was your ******* mistake
TehBrawlGuy (8:26): I stuck you in a bad spot, sure.
AudioTsunami (8:26): you fucked up
YOU
not me
why do I have to eat a penalty
i shouldn't ******* have to
TehBrawlGuy (8:27): but calm down, don't insult people, and take responsibility like an adult
AudioTsunami (8:27): lol I played fine
You played like **** and fucked chasmp select
you are the one refusing to take responsibility by not dodging
TehBrawlGuy (8:27): I'm not going to auto-lose my series
for anyone else the dodge is just 3 lp
AudioTsunami (8:27): it's not 3lp
it varies
TehBrawlGuy (8:28): it is always 3
AudioTsunami (8:28): you should of dodged
and that attitude is selfish as ****
TehBrawlGuy (8:28): unless you have dodged that day
AudioTsunami (8:28): and that's why i'm pissed
you're a selfish piece of **** that fucked the team up, then played like ****, and refuses to take responsibility on either account
TehBrawlGuy (8:28): I'm sorry you feel so entitled that you expect me to play through at least 3 games again so you can have 3 virutal points.
virtual, even
AudioTsunami (8:29): it's not 3 points
you fucked up
you the entitled one
you expect someone else to clean up your **** ups
TehBrawlGuy (8:29): I don't.
AudioTsunami (8:29): you clearly ******* do
TehBrawlGuy (8:29): I fucked up, and I played and tried to fix it.
AudioTsunami (8:29): you're telling me i should of dodged
TehBrawlGuy (8:29): I couldn't, and I lost my series.
AudioTsunami (8:29): except you played like ****
good,
congrats
enjoy being silver 4 forever unless ank carries you out of it
TehBrawlGuy (8:30): No, I'm telling you you can either take responsibility or not.
AudioTsunami (8:30): cause you're too ******* helpless to do it yourself
for what?
TehBrawlGuy (8:30): for deciding to stay in
AudioTsunami (8:30): For winning my lane even when you fucked me?
why should I have to dodge fpor you?
it's your **** up
no mine
*not mine
TehBrawlGuy (8:30): *shrug*
AudioTsunami (8:31): like seriously dude..you're an ******* for not dodging and i will never play with you again
TehBrawlGuy (8:32): because I totally want to play with you
mhm

PSA: Do not ever duo with Panzer. I went 14/2 (suicided for lulz at the nexus blowup) and still lost my series. Not really upset about it, since I start back at 88 points and one win starts another series, but dude, you could stand to get some maturity.

@Panzer: I'm not trying to start a fight, so don't reply to this, because I'm not going to reply to anything you say. I'm just telling the thread because I think the players here deserve to be warned. Frankly, you have absolutely no right to treat another human being like that, especially over something as inconsequential as a video game, and you're damn lucky you acted like that to someone as chill as I am.

@Everyone else: If you have anything to say to me, say it in a PM. I'd

really

rather not start a shitstorm, and I don't think anything I'm posting is a violation of any rules.

[TehBrawlGuy]

... You're both in the wrong for various reasons. I don't feel chat logs were necessary to give a warning. And you're completely kidding yourself if you think putting disclaimers up in an attempt to deter drama will work.

Didn't want it to be just a he-said-she-said sort of thing. It's entirely subjective, and you have no way of knowing I wasn't (too far) in the wrong without full context. If he has a problem with what he said being public, he shouldn't have said it. I'm not going to let someone abuse me (or anyone else) like that and get away with it, and I'm not going to bring myself down to his level and resort to things like petty namecalling and insults. I wish there were a more diplomatic solution, but he'd rather say "fuck you" until he's blue in the face than talk it out with me, and I'm not going to be spineless and roll over, so this was the only real thing left to do. Letting an overgrown schoolyard bully continue to be a bully because you're a nice guy is not a good solution.

The thing that bugs me the most is that TBG cares enough about his serious not to dodge but doesn't care enough to not randomly pick the wrong champion. But then goes to say not to get so upset over a video game. If it is just a game to him, he should have had no issue with dodging. Promo or no promo it WAS his mistake and no one else should have had to pay the price for it. It's not even as if it was a silver 1 promo series into Gold 5, it was a mini best out of 3 series.

Panzer you reacted in a very immature manner and said some things I really feel you shouldn't have, but you still got dicked.

Shen support is subpar, but workable, especially in low/mid Silver.

And yeah, it is just a game, but I can only devote so much time to it. It's not like I don't care at all - I do care a little, and enough that I'm not willing to waste 2-3 hours of my time to save my team from a comp that's only less-than-stellar. If it had been like Jayce support or something blatantly awful and gamewrecking, then maybe I'd have dodged, but it wasn't. Anyone who didn't want to play would have lost 3 LP and a few minutes for dodging. That's hardly a steep price to pay, no matter how much league may be your life, and it's one I've had to pay for the team when other people trolled/messed up/whatevered. There's a fine line between generosity or taking responsibility and martyrdom, and I think asking me to give up essentially like 30 LP and 2-3 hours over an honest mistake crosses that. I'll take the fall for my own mistakes, but not when it's

literally

10x the fall someone else would have to take for it. You don't have to think the same way, but I'd appreciate not being looked down on for it. I wasn't off in another tab derping around or something, we were discussing the enemy team comp, and in doing so, I lost my train of thought and forgot that Top got taken by someone else because Shen was open, and so I took Garen. It was a simple, honest mistake, one that the three perfect strangers on our team were more understanding of than he was.

TehBrawlGuy, Panzer's *actually* a great guy. I can't remember a time when I wasn't on good terms with him. I'm not sure if its the ranked (which I don't play) or him trying to live up to team toxic but I'm sorry your experience hasn't been as great as mine. :/ Whatever it is it sure as hell isn't because I'm a great player (LOL) or even a great guy (character references include Zito, g, and LLD) or even a member of "team toxic".

I have an incredibly hard time believing any genuinely great guy would resort to repeated personal insuits over a game, but I'm glad you get along with him and thanks for your sympathy.

Is that really too much to ask?

yes obv

I am totally fine with doing whatever and having fun; all I ask is that you maintain some sense of respect and decency with me so that you don't ruin my fun. I had fun in that promo game, loss or not.

[TehBrawlGuy]

come play 1v1s against me

I will warwick you in the face and it will be a blast

WW in 1v1s is insane, though. Infinity sustain if he's got mana.

Clearly, the only solution is to do a Warwick mirror match. I can't play now, but I should be free tomorrow around 7:00 PDT.

[TehBrawlGuy]

1v1s are stupid.

Eh, so are ARAMs, and I don't know anyone who doesn't enjoy ARAM from time to time.

[TehBrawlGuy]

Shen support is subpar, but workable, especially in low/mid Silver.

And yeah, it is just a game, but I can only devote so much time to it. It's not like I don't care at all - I do care a little, and enough that I'm not willing to waste 2-3 hours of my time to save my team from a comp that's only less-than-stellar. If it had been like Jayce support or something blatantly awful and gamewrecking, then maybe I'd have dodged, but it wasn't. Anyone who didn't want to play would have lost 3 LP and a few minutes for dodging. That's hardly a steep price to pay, no matter how much league may be your life, and it's one I've had to pay for the team when other people trolled/messed up/whatevered. There's a fine line between generosity or taking responsibility and martyrdom, and I think asking me to give up essentially like 30 LP and 2-3 hours over an honest mistake crosses that. I'll take the fall for my own mistakes, but not when it's literally 10x the fall someone else would have to take for it. You don't have to think the same way, but I'd appreciate not being looked down on for it. I wasn't off in another tab derping around or something, we were discussing the enemy team comp, and in doing so, I lost my train of thought and forgot that Top got taken by someone else because Shen was open, and so I took Garen. It was a simple, honest mistake, one that the three perfect strangers on our team were more understanding of than he was.

It's not 3 LP. It varies. I had a very low amount of Lp and could of been demoted for all i know. I know people who've lost 14 for dodging. Why is your time worth more than my time, when you were the one who made the mistake in the first place. Despite that I STILL won my lane, and then you fucking let me die a shit load of times by chasing either focusing the tank or chasing down the ADC and getting kited. And you stuck me with a support that Can't actually peel. Like dude, you keep saying that "you take responsibility for your own mistakes", but it's clear from the situation that you don't. Like honestly, if you woulda just said "Yeah man, my bad I fucked it up" I would of been like alright man, next time just dodge. But you pinned it on me, and insist that you played well and didn't fuck the game up from jump street. Bottom line, if you fuck up in champ select, you should take responsibility and not fuck the game up for your duo partner. Like It's not like I had 50 points and could of tossed you a bone and didn't. I didn't have the points to dodge for you and I didn't fuck it up.

Bottom line is, we were never friends. We made an argeement to win ranked games together. You fucked me in champ select then dicked me by not dodging because you didn't want to set back while saying I should of set myself back for your mistake. I'm completely in the right to be pissed at you. I could of said less harsh things, but honestly, you're a hypocritical little bitch. So my only association with you is to win ranked games and you lost me points, so yeah i'm gonna insult you.

@Matias, i didn't defriend you bro. You defriended me.

It's exactly 3 LP unless you've already dodged that day, and dodging alone can't demote you. You have to lose at 0 LP to be demoted.

I did apologize for it in champ select and would have done so again after the game had I not gotten instantly cursed out and told twice that you were glad I had lost my series. You cannot possibly expect me to have the slightest bit of compassion for you after that.

I did focus Xin in early fights and even ult killed him twice. I can't really peel him that well after he's already charged in and on top of you. Even when I did kill him, you got blown up by Fiora while the rest of the team got wrecked by Draven because he had zero pressure on him. (how do you think Draven got his kills?) Did you not notice the enemy team saying I had carried you?

You could also stand to realize that you make mistakes too. You knew in champ select that team had little peel, and so what did you build? BT > Zephyr (because tenacity helps so much against knockups and fiora ults) > IE. No BotRK, no GA, no Mallet, no Warmogs or Randuins, (and yes you can build both of those on ADCs) just more and more AD. Instead of opening up fights with your ult to do damage from a distance, half the fights you left it unused. 10 deaths is not entirely the team's fault. nor will it ever be.

Again, there's a big difference between 3 LP and 5 minutes and 30 LP and 3 hours. I don't think it's terribly out of line to ask someone to take the former loss so that I don't have to take the latter. I'd have totally done it for you or anyone else I was duo with. As far as hypocrisy, you accuse me of being selfish because you didn't want to take the most minuscule loss. It's three points! Three! It's not like I asked you to fuck up your own series or something.

[TehBrawlGuy]

Stop trying to bring logic into it, TBG. a) it's Panzer, and b) the circlejerk is on his side so at best you'll get "well you were both wrong" like you already did.

That's probably the best I'll get posted, but I'm pretty sure I know what the people who aren't saying anything are thinking, and it's not "wow that TBG dude is an ass".

I still think it's absolutely wtf that anyone expects me to lose an entire series over a simple accident so someone else doesn't have to lose a whole 3 LP, though.

[TehBrawlGuy]

Actually I take back part of what I said, TBG. I didn't think about how the only person that wanted a dodge was Panzer. If you were fine with the game and didn't want a dodge at all- then there's no reason you should have been forced to.
I misread and thought the argument was that you both wanted to dodge but you felt it was more worthwhile for Panzer to dodge over you.

You wanted to play the game out despite your mistake, and Panzer is the only one who wanted a dodge. Therefore since he insisted a dodge must happen, then he should have done so because he didn't want to play the game.
Negativity loses a game at champ select more than bad picks.

Also yes you ONLY lose -3 lp for dodging, and you can only lose a tier due to inactivity or losing at 0 LP. The only way a person can lose more than 3 LP is if the game is slow at processing LP loss from a previous loss or if you've dodged multiple times in a row.

I still feel like it's still shit for panzer to agree to a duo and then the person he's duoing with fuck up champ select due to negligence. That's not really fair. I've had to deal with it before but I wasn't as angry about it.

It's definitely shit, and I'd have taken the dodge for it had it been any other time. I'd be frustrated if my partner did it to me, too. I'm not arguing that he doesn't have right to be pissed at me; he does, and so do three other people. I'm just saying he's handling it awfully, considering it fucked me over more than anyone else anyway. I did mess it up due to just being zoned in on the other team's comp, rather than being lazy or afk, so I don't think it's toooo bad. Needless to say, that's something I'm going to check every game now. All I could do without re-doing 3 hours of games was say "sorry" and carry, and I did both.

Actually I take back part of what I said, TBG. I didn't think about how the only person that wanted a dodge was Panzer. If you were fine with the game and didn't want a dodge at all- then there's no reason you should have been forced to.
I misread and thought the argument was that you both wanted to dodge but you felt it was more worthwhile for Panzer to dodge over you.

You wanted to play the game out despite your mistake, and Panzer is the only one who wanted a dodge. Therefore since he insisted a dodge must happen, then he should have done so because he didn't want to play the game.
Negativity loses a game at champ select more than bad picks.

Also yes you ONLY lose -3 lp for dodging, and you can only lose a tier due to inactivity or losing at 0 LP. The only way a person can lose more than 3 LP is if the game is slow at processing LP loss from a previous loss or if you've dodged multiple times in a row

.

This is untrue, I've seen people lose large quantities on their first dodge. Also 2 other people in queue told him to dodge. Honestly, I should of just afk'd and ignored him after the game and let that be that.

because losing however many LP you lost and 20 minutes is so much better than losing 3

should've =/= should of

I'm pretty sure I know what the people who aren't saying anything are thinking, and it's not "wow that TBG dude is an ass".

I wasn't going to post anything directly relevant to this ~DRAMA~, but now I feel obligated to. Neither one of you is completely in the right or wrong here.

I'm also pretty sure there's not a single person in this thread who didn't already know that Panzer can be... volatile at times. Many of us enjoy playing with him despite this. If he's not your cup of tea, whatever, but ffs we didn't need more goddamn drama in this thread.

On a slightly different note, I didn't know that you could lose LP for dodging and that's... pretty fantastically bullshit especially if there's still a timer punishment on top of that. I don't believe I've dodged yet this season, but there are plenty of legitimate reasons for doing so that shouldn't have anything to do with LP. Even if it's only -3.

I'm aware I'm not entirely in the right, although I do fail to see how he's not entirely in the wrong.

I knew he could be angered, but I did not know we has as volatile (good choice of words) as he is.

The time penalty's shorter (it's like the normal penalties now), but yeah, it's still shit.

[TehBrawlGuy]

Start queuing, win first game and get series again

First series game, I'm last pick support and asked to trade with FP mid. He ignores me saying I want Leona, and just random picks Janners for me. I haven't played Janna on SR more than twice in the past 6 months. ADC has horrible lag issues for the first 8 minutes, but clutch nados save the day and we stomp lane anyway. Game one won.

Game two, enemy team has Jungle Eve, opponents come into lane damaged. I warn my ADC that Eve's nearby and to play it super safe. He doesn't, Eve ganks, and we barely live. He again overextends and gives up FB. (partially my fault, I fucked up and forgot to start with pinks) Team is godawful anyway, second game lost.

Third game, I call top and second pick Garen. Fourth and last pick both call jungle, fourth pick takes it with Noct. Last pick FUCK YOU I CALLED JUNGLE *instalock Hecarim*. ADC switches summoners to CV/Revive, I go "fuck it" and dodge. Log back in, and "You have D/Ced from a game in progress.". Ugh. So I join it, and Smite/Flash Noct goes "welp, let the troll jungle then. Garen, you support and I'll take top." What followed was probably the biggest pubstomp I've seen in a long time. I suicide towerdive to give our MF FB, and it just snowballed from there into an easy win.

Support Garen is super fun, although it's probably awful. You just chunk squishies super hard.

[TehBrawlGuy]

Support Garen is pretty cheese if the enemy laners don't know how to play against it.

lil g and I had a pretty funny time against Ezreal Garen one time where Jarvan camped the living fuck out of our lane.
Sona Varus op

I feel like it would shit on Sona really hard if you positioned well enough that she couldn't carry poke for free. I shat on Lux every time she missed a bind, Sona doesn't really have anything pre-6 to stop you other than poke, but you don't care about poke because passive.

[TehBrawlGuy]

Support Garen is pretty cheese if the enemy laners don't know how to play against it.

lil g and I had a pretty funny time against Ezreal Garen one time where Jarvan camped the living fuck out of our lane.
Sona Varus op

I feel like it would shit on Sona really hard if you positioned well enough that she couldn't carry poke for free. I shat on Lux every time she missed a bind, Sona doesn't really have anything pre-6 to stop you other than poke, but you don't care about poke because passive.

She has ranged poke and SHOULD be faster than you. That's enough deterrent in itself since you need to not be getting poked to use your passive. lol.

In all honesty it sounds to me like you were playing bads.

I definitely was, and I did say support Garen would probably be awful against anyone competent, but it feels like it would actually work against Sona (and probably only Sona) in theory. If you roll with a boots start ala S2 Leona, that + Q is enough to gapclose and nuke her since she's stupidly squishy. Garen's bases are insane, and doubly so in botlane.

As far as poke, if you're full health, your passive is worthless, and if you got poked, you can hang back and regen a little + pots.


Should I buy Orianna, Lulu, Thresh, Shaco, or Rumble next? All are on my list of champs I'm eying.

I already have every support minus Lulu, Nami, and Thresh, and Nami doesn't interest me while the other two definitely do.
Ori I want so I can have a really disruptive poke-y CC mid. I have TF already, but I can't play him terribly well.
Shaco's got all the ganks and trickery, which is cool and fun.
Rumble would be to fill out my top lane pool, although a bruiser might do that better. idk (Garen, Olaf, Singed, WW, and Teemo are who I can play, and I own Jax and Cho but can't really play them well)

[TehBrawlGuy]

OP winrate, or does he fill out my pool well?

[TehBrawlGuy]

anyone wanna hit me up tonight?

Not sure when I'll get out of robotics, but add me. SN is the same as here.

[TehBrawlGuy]

Oh yeah, and Panzer, you should just take a break from ranked and try having some fun in normals with champs you never play or troll builds that work in weird situations. It sounds like you're just burnt out on trying too hard. Play some games as Blitzcrank, just cause you can. Go botlane with Taric and ks the hell out of your carry then carry the game yourself. Build AD Nami mid and destroy with her somehow. That still baffles me.

Ugh. This attitude is by far what I like least about playing League, and the reason I avoid Normals like the plague.

While this is generally what I dislike abut normals, it is fun to occasionally let loose and just do whatever. I had a recent game where I went bruiser Blitz top. I'd have gotten two early kills if I hadn't messed them up, and even though Riven snowballed against me, I came back late as a legitmate threat off of just WER, not to mention the hooks.

[TehBrawlGuy]

(We still won that game it was awesome)

That triple at drake was and still is amazing. It's awesome playing someone who can feed lane and still come back late as a huge threat and go positive.

[TehBrawlGuy]

Is there wa way to check your MMR?

Or elo? (what is elo )

MMR = Elo

You can check at Lolking.net, but it doesn't really correspond to old elo tiers. Brandi's at 1650 and facing plats, for example.

[TehBrawlGuy]

As a caveat to the "true elo" issue, I have just under 400 ranked games this season, and I still get 20-24 per win and 16-20 per loss.
I am also a very streaky (inconsistent) ((bad)) player so maybe the game will be truly unable to place me at any point. I think I have around 120-150 games since Leagues were put in, I've covered every division from B2-S3 more than once. It's fair to say the system doesn't know what to do with me, but if I was locked somewhere only getting +/- 3pts a game, I would probably declare season over. For someone with under 200 games to have to win literally 30 times to have a chance to advance is insane. What did that person do to deserve that kind of grossly unfair treatment? If I win 4 in a row I can catch a promotion series on a lucky bounce. The big rumor going around is the more time you spend in a certain League, the less LP your games are worth, which makes sense I guess but then what is your motivation to continue to play, or to strive to improve? The opportunity to reap rewards for improving is already out the window, you could take 3 months off from ranked and come back with vastly improved mechanics and game sense, but it's too late for you. When you hit the point where you feasibly need to win a hundred games to mvoe out of your bracket, you're better served spending those hundred games on a new account, hoping you place into S3 and catch a hot streak to ride into gold. Lucky day could gold you in 10-15 games.

I've also played a lot of B4-5 games on my brother's account, it is getting really bad down there. Because the League system has a bit of inbuilt loss forgiveness at lower levels, and the hard stop/loss at the 5 of any League, my theory is that Bronze division will be empty by the end of the season of anyone with 100+ games except for people who are well and truly fucked by whatever their big issue is (language barrier, 300+ ping, paraplegia, or bad luck as a support main).

I love game theory although the math side of it is weak for me, I still don't like the League system personally as a streaky player, because it actually punishes losing streaks disproportionally to the benefits of a winning streak. If you don't play a lot of games it also hampers you since if you're placed into low silver you will never reach your "true elo" even if you are a plat because it would take so many games to get there.

Individual ratings for a team game is a bad system any way you slice it, but I have no idea how to improve the ratings so I guess we all just keep playing and hope for our imaginary numbers to get where we'll be satisfied with them. If you hit the point where your games are worth 5 points or less though, your only real hope of ranking up is to start a 3s or 5s team and remake placements until you hit something you can work with. DAN BITZ 2013!

The Elo/MMR system is basically unchanged, leagues are just a noise layer. Even if it's clamping super-hard on you, if you win, you win the same Elo you'd have won in S2. IIRC, it'll suddenly unclamp when you hit an elo threshhold. If it doesn't, that means your MMR will be extremely high who you promote a division, and you'll start winning tons for wins and less for losses.

@Zepher: What division/tier are you? Maybe we can duo sometime.

[TehBrawlGuy]

New Karma's going to unkillable too. 0.6 ratio heal on Mantra W, 0.5 on her shield. At 5, she can deal 295 (+ 1.8 ratio) damage, while mitigating 155 (1.1). (W max) That's pretty crazy when most champs don't have ult yet. When you factor in ignite, 20ish AP, and say, two autos, she deals like 600 pre mitigation. That's a hell of a burst for level 5.

People might be maxing Q for poke, though.

[TehBrawlGuy]

She can only use mantra once at a time lol

Using her mantra'd W is pretty harsh trading by itself though I'm noticing.
It wrecks people and there's little they can do without wasting a bunch of cooldowns or running away.

I'm thinking that W is the superior lane dominance skill but I have to test this more.

Yeah, those numbers are calculated with the one mantra she has now. Rank 3 Mantra'd W, rank 1 Q, and rank 1 E.

[TehBrawlGuy]

What's good on new Karma, anyway? She looks sort of like a Lux/TF/Swain mix to me. Grail sounds good on her for Q spam and CDR, LB seems like a good idea with her great autos, and Liandry's on a DoT slow is amazing. (ask Swain) Full build something like Sorcs/Grail/LB/Liandries/Deathcap/Void?

[TehBrawlGuy]

Played like a 55 minute game today. Our team was pushed into our base for like a solid 25 minutes, but we'd never let them ace us to end it, and we'd never ace them unless minions were flooding us and keeping us from pushing. We even lost all our inhibs + baron at one point, but we just didn't let it end. Game finally ended when I got to Malph ult Trist, Elise, and J4 all at once, leaving the diving Zed stranded and Trist/J4 temporarily useless. (FH + ground slam + omen combo too good)


Moral of the story? Ban Malph if you can't position, because he will shit on you

and

your carry at once when you're out of place.

[TehBrawlGuy]

I'm top 29% apparently, which is a lot better than I thought. I was thinking top 50-60%.

Also, Dan's apparently in the same league and divison as me, even though I was placed here before adding any scummers. Weird.

[TehBrawlGuy]

protip: If you're playing AP trist, know how much your ult does so you don't lose us kills.

It's not really her fault we lost, but still....

[TehBrawlGuy]

Okay, so this League system has got to be one of the most obtuse things I've ever seen. Previously, I was moving 16-20 LP a game for wins and about the same, but maybe a little less for losses. I re-promoted to S3 recently, and suddenly my gains went up. Shouldn't they have gone down, now that the MMR standard I'm held to is higher? I played 4 ranked games today, and went 3-1. I gained like 51 LP total, but that's not even the strange part. I got 47 MMR according to Lolking. How in the hell does that happen? I'd have gotten like 24 Elo under the old system. Before you ask if I was duo, yes, I was duo for the last two games, but he's only S1 and I still got like 23 LP from my first win.

I mean, I love getting rewarded, but seriously? I don't even know what happened to put my growth on steroids, but I'm happy.

Obligatory reminder that you should stop the bleeding as best you can if you're losing your lane. I fed FB to Riven after getting camped top by Xin, but I played passive and waited for a gank. Hec came and we nearly got it, but he did a stupid overextension and got himself killmurdered, putting Riven up 2-0. Next gank, I got the kill and entirely stopped her snowball, even going as far as snowballing myself. I build tanky the second I knew she was winning, I played passive and farmed under turret to mitigate her advantage, and that lane was warded 24/7. I ended 4-1.


As far as ranked, it's up to you. I definitely got better faster by playing it as soon as I hit 30, because of how not all normals are serious. (I played AD Annie in norms today) To do that, though, I had to climb from the cesspool of 1,000 Elo. If you want a higher division when you play ranked, wait. If you want to get better faster and don't care if you have to climb up from mid/low Bronze, where you'll probably start, go for it.

Do

not

play ranked until you can meet the bare minimum of being able to play every role, pref. with 2-3 champs so you can't get picked out, having an AD, AP, and Support runepage, (you can get away with just those 3, but you do need those 3) and being able to get at least 100 CS by 20 in lane in most/all games. You should be trying for higher; anything less than 100 by 20 is pretty bad.

[TehBrawlGuy]

Can we not start this again please?

tbqh I'd love to see him take more potshots so I can hear "I was right, I was right, I was right" in my head again.

but what do bads like me who've gone up a division and are winning ~66% of their recent matches know anyway

[TehBrawlGuy]

No, fuck him. Only outclassed in ARAM annoyingness by Lux and Ziggs.

[TehBrawlGuy]

I rather get a chance at +6 or -6 then be kicked out.

Man, it feels I like I heard this somewhere before....

[TehBrawlGuy]

Them: NO DON'T PICK TEEMO vs SINGED
Me: Who should I pick?
Them: Rumble. He can kite Singed all day.
Me: You do know what Teemo does, right?

They trolled and dodged.

[TehBrawlGuy]

I'm still having a really hard time believing how the fuck I started losing virtually every game after hitting gold.

Same guy that cursed you cursed me, I guess.



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[TehBrawlGuy]

The ultimate example being like, LeBlanc?

I wouldn't be surprised at those figures if my assists were lower, but I'm clearly not KSing horribly with ult or doing badly in teamfights.

[TehBrawlGuy]

If you were right, I would. The thing is, I did that the first few fights. Draven got fed off of them because he was allowed to drop axes forever with zero pressure on him. When the ADC can't orbwalk, I am almost entirely shutting down his DPS, as well as pulling someone else out of the fight to peel me. I will absolutely trade my paltry late-game damage to make the fight a 4v3. (and I did kill him in a few of those fights) If you guys are getting "blown up" 4v3, that's pretty much out of my control.

While we're on constructive criticism, though, if you're getting blown up, you should probably think about ulting pre-fight or building any sort of peel or tankiness. Your build that game was BT, Zephyr, (against almost no CC reduced by tenacity) IE. You have to build to counter teams.

[TehBrawlGuy]

I don't play him right all the time, but I definitely played him right in that game with you. (it's not like I went 15/2 or anything... oh wait) You had like 8 deaths in that game because you play Miss Fortune so well, right?

That's 66% in the past week. I'm at or above 50% winrate with him overall.

[TehBrawlGuy]

Same to you.

[TehBrawlGuy]

Due to scaling, you do need to wreck him in lane, but if you're good, you will go 100 cs up on him. Blind, auto, auto, auto every time he goes for creep.

As far as AP Teemo, I like Liandry's, Lich Bane, Dcap. It makes you relevant late with mushrooms, assassination, and ungodly spilt pushing power.

[TehBrawlGuy]

Even if it is just some bullshit thing to have fun, a lot of people get just one match that day to have fun, and almost nobody finds 4v5s fun.

[TehBrawlGuy]

TT is a really fun and underrated mode that's great if you have only two other friends online or if you don't have as much time.

This is true. Teemo's also great there because of vision from shrooms.

[TehBrawlGuy]

Promoted to Silver 2 and just got 28 LP for my first win here.

Fuck yeah.

[TehBrawlGuy]

I didn't know about it.

Duoq'd norms with a pre30 friend, ended up with jungle. Fucked up champ select and went smiteless udyr. Team was cool about it, and I ended up going 14/3 with a quadra in there. They literally didn't ward all game. Too hilarious.

[TehBrawlGuy]

Today's lesson: Let your team get kills. The opposing kat went like 14/2, but she did nothing because WW/Panth/Kha could triple dive her since nobody else had kills.

[TehBrawlGuy]

Didn't get Sej in time thanks to my HDD corrupting. ;_; I don't like her new skin too.

[TehBrawlGuy]

I want to get good at Cho, but no idea how I should be building him.

Resists stacking and CDR. You can take him a lot of ways depending on how you build him; it's just figuring out what that match calls for.

[TehBrawlGuy]

Mundo plays like a bruiser and has to build SOME damage (wit's is great) after his natural scaling falls off. Full tank Mundo does no damage lategame.

Also, I'm Silver I now. Not too long 'til I hit Gold.

[TehBrawlGuy]

BC is too amazing to not get. FM's not cost-efficient without the slow, but if you need to stick, then the price is well worth it.

You confuse me. You mention full tank, and then mention bruiser. And you suggest that bruisers don't have to build damage items. Okay, so what do full tanks like Malphite, Cho'gath, Dr. Mundo, and Darius build that's different from bruisers?

Base values are nice and all, but Lee Sin does not kill people with base values (

not past like level 6 at least

). Jax does not become the terror of the game by building Randuins/Warmogs/Spirit Visage. Irelia always went Trinity Force GA back in season 2 - item 1 being Trinity Force.

Congrats. You just explained what base stats are. Bruisers are defined by the fact that they don't have to build full ad to be meaningful. Irelia has her hiten style for that, Jax his ult, w, and gets free defensive options via counterstrike.

good AD scaling belongs in the realm of assassins. Those guys you have to build AD on to be meaningful, bruisers do not have to. Zed isn't a bruiser, nor is talon.

(those are the guys you build brutalizer on btw. You don't build it on a bruiser if you can help it.)

Further, mundo is not a full tank. You could have known because he has little cc, he has great base stats, and limited scaling. A classic bruiser. Same for darius. Darius passive is just that big mark that you are apparently considering a bruiser, that's base stats right there.

You simply don't know what you are talking about.

Wukong and Garen (as well as several others) would like a word with you.

[TehBrawlGuy]

He doesn't hurt nearly as much as you need him to, though. Pre-mitigation 210 damage autos and 90 damage/sec W are not that scary to a fully built carry who lifesteals for crazy amounts, and also probably has at least one defensive item. You don't have to rush damage on him or even build it most games, but if your 6 item build doesn't have it, you fall off during the very lategame. Mundo's got very little CC and is kept relevant by his damage. He does get an incredible amount from his kit, but surely you understand that once you've been level 18 for >15 minutes, his damage stops being terribly scary.

[TehBrawlGuy]

That's why every bruiser, even Mundo, has to build some damage. When you get torn to pieces by that triple multiplicative scaling and they lifesteal tons back, you've gotta deal damage reasonably fast to be relevant. You can entirely ignore full tank Mundo late and have half his E stop working. When you're forced to damage Mundo, which boosts his E, and he has Wit's, for example, he's doing 42-141 damage extra

per auto

. Add in that you're getting a lot more autos from the AS, and while he's obviously not the midgame Mundo he was, he's a legitimate threat again.

[TehBrawlGuy]

The lategame problem of bruisers (as far as I can see) is that they are dead before they get to the adc. It really doesn't matter what you build if you get kited anyway.

but obviously, if you are looking for damage, any item with attackspeed is great for Mundo. Wits end is huge for him.

If the bruiser's getting kited so bad they can't get any damage in, they're either eating all the CC or getting outplayed. Even those without a dash have tools to keep them alive and able to get in range. (Q/W Garen, W/R Mundo, W/R Singed) Lategame sucks, but you should still be relevant.

Yeah, AS and especially Wit's are too good. There's even a normals cheese "ADC Mundo" build with SotD and E max for instant triple crit 900 damage burst, which I find hilarious.

[TehBrawlGuy]

I dunno where Hype is, man. Help me find him!

What division is ONM at? I'm interested in watching if you guys are highish.

[TehBrawlGuy]

Managed to get Sej in time, but had to refund Lux. No regrets.

[TehBrawlGuy]

She is for sure. I got something like your score last night with Janners.

also instalock quinn wish me luck

[TehBrawlGuy]

Lux/Nid/Janna are all god tier.

Annie's okay, but I just played her in a game with little peel and it was meh.

[TehBrawlGuy]

I got yelled at by my team in a game today for peeling as Malphite.

Gangplank gets caught by 3 people.
Rest of team jumps in, I ult 3 people, W+E, we start blowing people up.
Gangplank dies first.
GP: "WHY ARE YOU NEAR THE SHEN? THAT DIANA IS FED AND FOCUSED ME. NOOB"
Gragas dies, starts a surrender vote.
Yi (All): "omg malphite troll"
We finish acing them.
Me: "Uh. I was stopping Quinn and Shen from killing our Kog. We killed both of them and then cleaned up the rest of the fight for you."
GP: "Oh, ok."

We won the game. But seriously. Lots of facepalming that game.

i had a game with the opposite of that today as Mumu.

I jump in with Amumu, ult the fed Kha and Vayne.
Malph and Sona decide to piss away their ults
Aced, game loses
"AMUMU NO PEEL"

Yes, because I can totally peel after burning QR on locking down the enemy carries well in range of our CC chain. That whole team was incredibly dumb.

[TehBrawlGuy]

Me too. It's just awful. I've gone up to here from S4 and there's literally no mental difference, just slightly better mechanics (on average - there are still the 70 cs/20 people) and less total dumbshits who got carried in placements. (What do you mean tear + chalice is bad on Malz!?!?!) Yesterday I had an Akali die to a Lee gank and go "wtf when did he get a pink?" before being told that Lee gives sight. Like, how the hell do you not know one of the main counters to your champion? She clearly had experience with Akali, too, as she came back from 2 kills down fairly easily and got herself fed.

Urgot's a bruiser who excels at shitting on carries and is played in the place of your own carry so that neither team really has a carry. That doesn't make him not a bruiser, just like how J4/Panth bot is not ADC J4, it's double bruiser bot.

[TehBrawlGuy]

Agreed. I'd be fine with bitching in spoiler tags, though. Venting helps a ton, just don't make everyone read it if they don't want to.

[TehBrawlGuy]

"I GOT TOP"
>feeds 6 kills and goes down 60 CS.

>lulu eats zenith blades while standing next to me

Soloq whyyyyyyy

Need duo partners, would also be interested in a 3s team.

>akali gets 60 cs in a 20 minute game
>hecarim decides to feed my lane fb and then never gank again
>other lanes feed 7 kills to Fizz

Fucking soloq god damn it. This is supposed to be my day to play games, but I just don't even want to anymore.

>go 3/0/3 TT top
>team feeds, we lose

This day ;-;

I'm Silver IV at the moment, (demotion due to afk/troll streak ;_;)so hit me up if that's near you.

Hilarious.

I know it's annoying, that why that was

one day

>2 months ago. I had some serious RL problems going down, this was awful too, and I vented. Don't know why you've gotta be a smartass about it when I'm pretty clearly going to spoiler any venting I do from now on.

[TehBrawlGuy]

I have absolutely no idea how you got that from me saying I was fine with complaining, because I know how much it helps to vent.

ANYWAY ON BETTER TOPICS I played support with a random Cait and we have insane synergy. So. Much. Fun. It's like we read each others minds.

[TehBrawlGuy]

You can't really say things about Silvers until you hit Gold.

That said, I think you're right regarding this community. Mafia favors strongwilled, vocal critics who point out flaws, which is pretty much the worst thing to be in League.


@Ray. Hugs op nerf plz. Since you apparently play ranked around my division, want to maybe duo sometime? I mostly top and support, but I can fill.

[TehBrawlGuy]

True, but that's pretty rare in practice.

[TehBrawlGuy]

League didn't give me the pop-up, but apparently I got my blue ribbon. That's my favorite one, too. Hell yeah. I hope I don't get another one over it.

[TehBrawlGuy]

Did three of us seriously get ribbons in a 24 hour span? I wonder if Riot relaxed the reqs.

[TehBrawlGuy]

Guinsoo's MF OP?

[TehBrawlGuy]

I'd be in.

[TehBrawlGuy]

reminder: don't give up if you've got a lategame team and/or can turtle. Just had a game where everyone was sure it was over but kept playing, and the vayne/diana/malph/shen/lux comp just shit on everyone past 35 minutes. We were getting full aces without any deaths or with just one, and this is after going 5 towers down, 7 or so kills down, and having no communication.

12 more LP until Gold promo series. Hypeeeee.

[TehBrawlGuy]

Oh hey, I'm third seed. That's nifty. It's kind of lame that I'm going to get a worse team if I win, though, since captains can't draft captains. (and if they can then gg captain team)

[TehBrawlGuy]

Oh hey, I'm third seed. That's nifty. It's kind of lame that I'm going to get a worse team if I win, though, since captains can't draft captains. (and if they can then gg captain team)

That's the idea

ik, but it's still lame for the prize of this tournament to be a kick in the sack. I'd have just random.org'd 4 captains and had them pick starting with the lowest seed.

Still, the 1v1s will be fun.

[TehBrawlGuy]

Oh hey, I'm third seed. That's nifty. It's kind of lame that I'm going to get a worse team if I win, though, since captains can't draft captains. (and if they can then gg captain team)

That's the idea

ik, but it's still lame for the prize of this tournament to be a kick in the sack. I'd have just random.org'd 4 captains and had them pick starting with the lowest seed.

Still, the 1v1s will be fun.

I mean this is all for fun and what you're saying is that you wish we'd random'd captains so the four best players had a chance to end up on the same overpowered team

Like I said, it'll still be fun, it's just bleh that the prize for winning is less chance at winning the 5v5s.

idk how you got that there'd be any chance of the best players being on the same team. Worst case scenario, you random seeds 2, 3, 4, 5 as captains, and then the 5th seed first picks seed #1. It's basically going to happen like that with the 1v1 tourney anyway. The higher seeds will win and then draft the high seeds who were upset. Heck, with how it is now, if Ank gets beaten out and Fate wins it all, you end with the top two seeds on the same team.

Also, four best 1v1 players is not equal to four bet players overall. 1v1 is completely different from 5v5 - it's practically a different game

All the more reason using 5v5s to seed 1v1s to draft for 5v5s (yes, you heard that right) is only going to end up with imbalance. If two people from seeds 1-4 are in the finals and the other two don't make captain, then your 4 best 5s players will be on two teams.

Even with imbalanced teams it'll still be a great time, but the funnest games are the close ones.

[TehBrawlGuy]

I can simplify things.

This is for fun.

FUN.

Who really gives a shit how things are picked

you know, that might be why I said it would be super fun regardless of anything like 4 times

[TehBrawlGuy]

I can simplify things.

This is for fun.

FUN.

Who really gives a shit how things are picked

you know, that might be why I said it would be super fun regardless of anything like 4 times

Not sure why you're even posting. You're bitching and saying it doesn't matter at the same time. You can't have your cake and eat it too. Either QQ or shut up and play and have fun.

I posted like two sentences on it, what I said got misinterpreted, and then I clarified it. Just because I'm not "OH BOY THIS IS THE BEST!" and am instead "This'll still be a blast but I wish it was different." doesn't mean I'm bitching.

just started. I'm quadz on LoL. 's pretty cool I guess you know.

Am I about to agree with Panzer

>reply to someone's posts
>wonder why they post back to you


If you didn't want me to post about it, you probably shouldn't have replied twice and kept it going.

[TehBrawlGuy]

Oh dang, what got you?

[TehBrawlGuy]

Win late/sustained damage v. win early/sustained heal?

[TehBrawlGuy]

I'm spectating it too.

or I will be once delay ends

[TehBrawlGuy]

Reck, add me so we can do ours.

[TehBrawlGuy]

OM NOM NOM

[TehBrawlGuy]

If those rings had been blades I would have been more scared tbh, with AP champs I just have to survive until your mana pool is gone and GP has derpy levels of sustain. With 3xD.Blade your autos become an actual threat and don't cost mana so I can't just ignore you and shove the wave.

That's what happened in my last match too. Even chalice Lux can't beat catalyst Cho's sustain as long as I'm last hitting well.

[TehBrawlGuy]

Ray, hit me up if you're on today. I'll be on most of the day, starting in 15 minutes or so.

[TehBrawlGuy]

Sent a PM to Ray before I read this, but I'll fill you guys in on what's going on. I can play games from 0100-1100 Ray's time. I will be busy for the majority of that tomorrow, and only free during the later hours where Ray's in school, (~0900 onwards) if I manage to be free at all. The soonest our match could happen would be midday Thursday, (from a NA PoV) assuming he could be free then. That's actually like Friday morning for him because of dateline shenanigans, right?

Edit: That said, there's a chance I'll be working all day tomorrow and won't be able to play until Thursday afternoon anyway. It is more likely than not that I'll be free tomorrow night, though.

And then team drafting for a 5v5 tournament.

I hope tbg loses his game, none of the top 4 seeds will be captain!

Meanie.

[TehBrawlGuy]

We're picking for specific slots, not "best player" anyways. There comes a point in drafting where you need to fill the roles, because 5 excellent support only gets you so far.

I'd take the 5 best support players on this site before i'd take the best person at each slot.

How so?

Also, I fucked up my times, and there's basically no way I could make a late-night match for Ray, at least on Thursday. I could maybe make one on the weekend, but even that's sketchy. If he can't do after-waking-up morning I'm not sure we can get this done.

[TehBrawlGuy]

We're picking for specific slots, not "best player" anyways. There comes a point in drafting where you need to fill the roles, because 5 excellent support only gets you so far.

I'd take the 5 best support players on this site before i'd take the best person at each slot.

How so?

Also, I fucked up my times, and there's basically no way I could make a late-night match for Ray, at least on Thursday. I could maybe make one on the weekend, but even that's sketchy. If he can't do after-waking-up morning I'm not sure we can get this done.

I'll try waking up at 6 tomorrow, that'll give us one hour.

Most I can do.

I won't be free that time tomorrow, thanks to my team's meeting. I'd be available later (if at all) during when you're in school. If you can hit that time for what will be Thursday for me, we can make things happen. Can we do that?

[TehBrawlGuy]

I might be best jungle if you put fate top, but my jungle pool is crappy.

I'll try to get free tonight to play Brandi/LLD, but no promises I can play before tomorrow.

[TehBrawlGuy]

This is the first patch in a long time that hasn't nerfed anyone I like. Cait, TF, and Elise nerfs are amazing imo.

[TehBrawlGuy]

TBG wasn't on

all day

yesterday. I just woke up (rather early) and can't jump into a lol game right away as I have to go to the store.
Be back a bit later, guys.

It's almost like I was gone at a team meeting like I said I'd be!

I'll be here for quite a while today, so hopefully we can get this done.



Patch:

3 minutes remaining. No, wait, 8. Did I say 8? I meant 20. lol

hnnng

Edit: Done. Whenever you're ready, Brandi.

[TehBrawlGuy]

Game is TehBrawlGuy's Game

pass: brandi

[TehBrawlGuy]

Countered in champ select too hard. ;_;

[TehBrawlGuy]

I work weekdays, but im free weekends or after 6pm EST.
Team 1 and 3 are entirely EST which is nice for scheduling.
The only team thats a bit more complex to work with is Brandi's because staeg and AT are like 11 hours apart or something?

Well this is awkward...

(PDT, though my schedule's pretty flexible)

[TehBrawlGuy]

I like RR and then single elim Bo3s. Round Robin is only 6 matches, and it ensures we all play eachother.

[TehBrawlGuy]

Just got 30 LP for my last win. Ended on a twitch Biitz grab of Ezreal as he started ult. He was that kitey blue build and got stupid fed in teamfights after losing lane, so it was awesome to just see him pop.

12 more for Gold series, and getting matched with all Golds nlow.

[TehBrawlGuy]

Nunu is stupidly good in the jungle now. He gets a free Giants Belt and BFS at endgame, which makes him a lot more relevant.

[TehBrawlGuy]

Team 3's got this, yo.

[TehBrawlGuy]

Team 4 has just been nicknamed the Brandi Bunch. That is all.

[TehBrawlGuy]

is that a barbell

[TehBrawlGuy]

We're missing 2 members. How many of the Brandi Bunch are there?

[TehBrawlGuy]

TWISTED TREELINE GRUDGE MATCH

*probably not

[TehBrawlGuy]

If it happens, sure. We can hardly get the 5 of us together, though, nevermind two full teams.

[TehBrawlGuy]

Apology accepted.

And yeah, I know the feel. I refuse to duoq with anyone lower than me. Just not worth the derp. Low silver > high silver/low gold is in knowing the game. My last game had a 9 deaths Sona who had no idea how to ward or when things were safe, and also had a Vlad mid who made great calls all game and farmed the shit outta my jungle so he got fed. This is literally like 3-4 divisions but the difference is mindblowing. I'm down to 64 LP in S1 after two games where the carry just couldn't position and got blown up, even with peel. I absolutely shit on my lane in one.

Also, I just saw Blue Ez top and it was surprisingly good.

[TehBrawlGuy]

I think I just had the funnest Janna game ever.

[TehBrawlGuy]

Won another game, another +30, not a fluke lucky gain.

Can someone explain to me how the hell this system works? I was only getting +25 in Silver 5, and now I'm getting +30 in silver 4.

You're on a winning streak and your MMR's gone up faster than your League placement would indicate.

[TehBrawlGuy]

Gold series activate. Wish me luck, guys.

[TehBrawlGuy]

1-0.

Enemy Jax whined about their jungle, had 160 cs in a 40 minute game. Most bronze gold I've ever seen. lol

[TehBrawlGuy]

Why IE before BT? I was under the impression Draven just wanted straight AD asap for his scaling.

[TehBrawlGuy]

2-1 in Gold series.

So. Fucking. Hyped.

[TehBrawlGuy]

I'll just leave this here:

[TehBrawlGuy]

Ryze, Karth

[TehBrawlGuy]

If your opponent sees Riv mid, lets you get to 2 first, and gets in flash stun range, they deserve to die. Riv @ 2 and you @ 1 means back wayyy the hell away. You can't zone me out of exp, all I lose is like 2 creep, and you end up where I want you. (pushed)

[TehBrawlGuy]

Been on a Positive Mental Attitude kick lately and it's helped me in games.

This is what half the thread has been trying to tell you for years.

Well, i'm trying it in life, it just also helps in league apparently.

DID YOU KNOW: Positive players win 22% more games!

Also, the clamp only takes one good winning streak to get past, and if you've been clamped for a while, you're near the end of it so long as you've gone >50%. All it takes is 2 days of really good games, and you're in series or at the top of Silver I.

[TehBrawlGuy]

Spoiler:

So much for hitting plat...

playing leona in solo q.

would advise against it.


also on a fun note I realized just how OLD my account was at like 4am today.

Account created
18 December 2009, 12:08:35 pm

I remember making it at the rental house when gurgi told me to dl LOL, then I played the shitty tutorial(yes as ashe), and being like FUCK DIS GAME, and didnt log onto the account again until april 2011.

ON A SERIOUSISH NOTE.

EVERYONE WHO IS GOLD ON MY FRIENDS LIST WILL BE REMOVED WHEN I HIT MY PROMOTIONAL SERIES THINGY. THEN READDED WHEN THE TIME IS RIGHT. I DONT HATE ANY OF YOU.

IM SORRY BUT ALL OF YOUR DIVISIONS SUCK ASS, AND I REALLY DONT WANT TO BE STUCK IN ANOTHER FUCKING OLAFS SORCERERS. SERIOUSLY FUCK THIS DIVISION NAME. HOLY SHIT

I'm like 16/8 with her in soloq.

Given, I just lot a game as her because I played like shit, but still.

[TehBrawlGuy]

This is why I love J4. Team feeding and you need to babysit all day? Chain gank every lane 24/7, still get tons of tanky and utility, win game. I'd just knockup 4 of them for free skillshot hits, pop ult, and get chunked, (Zilean saved ult for useful people) but by that point they were an easy cleanup for the Nid/Ez who could chase all day. I'd generally ult Janna first because she went squish and could disrupt chase; with her dead it was a free ace.

[TehBrawlGuy]

Enemy team picks all ad vs Malph.

>350 armor before W.
>stand in lategame trist shots all day no fucks given

Hilarious.

[TehBrawlGuy]

1v1 ladder would be cool.


It's insane how much skill fluctuates. I recently got a game with a Vi who very nearly threw the game for us several times with awful 1v3 turns that served no point, bad building, complete lack of map awareness, (if you're the jungler, you should probably not be bot when we're 45 minutes into the game and the entire enemy team is posturing near Baron) and general shit play. We only won that game because they had the aforementioned shit Trist who did no damage and couldn't position. (both players were Gold) Next game, I play a for-the-lulz TT round. I get this crazy Nid who hits tons of spears, baits and helps me bait like a champ, and cougar bursts at the perfect times. I was sure she was mid-Gold, and like Silver I at the lowest - she was Bronze II. Like, if they played that way all the time, the Golds would have been Bronze and the Bronze Gold.

[TehBrawlGuy]

The Vi probably had a bad day and the Nidalee probably has a ton of games played as her.

I'm assuming so with the Vi. You don't get to be Gold after 300+ games without being worthy of it. I'm just saying it's crazy that a bad day can affect you so much. It's harder to rate your own play, but it's one of those moments that makes you reflect a little.

The Nid only has two ranked games as Nid, and an awful average. Seems like support games judging by the assists. Character-specific skills aside, the 'bait and turn", knowing how and when to burst most effectively, understanding when to fight and when to gtfo, skillshot hits, map awareness, everything was there.

[TehBrawlGuy]

Almost 50. Not a huge number, but definitely enough.

[TehBrawlGuy]

Olaf's ultimate should have an overpowered AP Ratio so he could press it and be immune to CC for 30 years while he does nothing of consequence.

Reckless Swing is too good.

Also, finally getting +25 LP/win again, now that I offset my 4 game losing streak with a 4 game win streak. Games are a lot funner now that the derp players at least know how to play, and the good players know how to mitigate the bads' mistakes. Pushing bot while Baron is up? Clear its wards and ward it up for when they're done.

[TehBrawlGuy]

Until her 3.8 health buff hits live, I'd go with armor reds. Even with them, she's just too squishy.

[TehBrawlGuy]

Look, LLD is pretty much at least 50% wrong about everything she says, like most people in the thread. I vote we keep this thread to listening to JD talk about supporting in silver 5, post game screenshots, brawl guy QQing, ect. No one who actually posts in this thread about theory knows any of what they are talking about, which is why all the players who generally do know what's happening, don't post here. So yeah. keep your garbage theory-crafting to yourself, everyone.

Let's bring up one day that happened ~1/3rd of a year ago! It's not like your iso isn't full of bitching about the system and the players keeping you in Silver, or anything.

But if we want to bring up old things....

y, Fuck you and enjoy silver 4 that you "didn't deserve to eb in" or whatever fucking bullshit story . I already ignored you on the league client. You're a bad that needs to be carried past low silver and doesn't even realize he's bad.

Hey everyone in this thread, i'm a toxic player. Is it news?

Hey everyone in this thread beside the 4 gold players, I'm better than you so suck my little weiner.

smd

[TehBrawlGuy]

So guys, I've come to realise that atkspd and crit% are pretty much useless on all of the good adcs. With a boots/last whisper/4xbloodthirster build you can have more damage (because your skills will scale better) and more survivability (because of 72% lifesteal). You'll have less movement speed but that won't matter because your lifesteal makes you a tank. There are literally no downsides!

Graves with Zerkers, 4x Bloodthirster and LW has 550 AD and 1.111 AS at 18.
Graves with Zerkers, 2x BT, PD, LW, IE, has 410 AD and 1.462 AS, along with a 55% chance to crit for 250% damage. *

Mathwise, that's 250% the auto attack damage at the cost of like 200 spell damage. You literally make it up with just your first auto if it crits. Add in quickdraw and it only gets worse for the BT stacking. 36% more lifesteal doesn't matter when you lose 34 MS to get it.


*both these builds are awful, you really do need a defensive item

[TehBrawlGuy]

(a half health Leona is about as useful as a dead Leona in most situations).
.

Even 1/4 Health Leona does a lot. You're a support, and basically the least valuable player early, because you don't farm, and you create no pressure unless you're with someone. Any time you can trade your life for that of the enemy jungle/adc, or to save anyone on your team, it's worth it. Even support for support is worth it half the time based on matchup/assists.

I had a game today where I E towerdove pre-6 onto 3 people to secure a kill. I flashed out, and managed to trade myself for their Lee. It was totally worth it.

Sona or Janna for me in ARAM.

[TehBrawlGuy]

I wasn't going to get behind from the death or I wouldn't have done it. Their Cait was dead, Nunu was too low to stay and was going B, and Lee was the only one left capable of doing anything. Taking early game Lee's gank pressure away for a little while to give me assist gold + get one of Vayne/Noct a kill was totally worth it. Both ended up snowballing, in part thanks to getting 375 gold each from that, and they won me the first game of my Gold IV series, too.

[TehBrawlGuy]

Oh. Yeah, I get what you're saying. So I guess this tl;drs into "Leona is still useful when almost dead, but has to suicide to be of use, so make sure your death is 'Leona: (All) worth' "

[TehBrawlGuy]

Promotion Series Report, Game 1: Threw away easy win because jungler decided we "deserved to lose" and started intentionally feeding

I hate this game

Yep, me too. I had someone feed a winning game once because Vayne pinged too much. Least it wasn't it a series though. Sucks, man. What're you trying to promote to?

[TehBrawlGuy]

You're in your Gold IV series too? We should duo sometime.

[TehBrawlGuy]

Winrate =/= power level. Kennen isn't terribly good soloq in this meta, and his winrate is imo as a result of being picked for a specific comp, or by veteran Kennen players.

[TehBrawlGuy]

whoa kennen has everything you could ever want in a solo q champ.

his range and harass is good(autos and spells). you can max q or w first. his buildpath is great and can vary easily based on other team, and he has a GO IN YOU FUCKERS aoe ult.

sounds like a great solo queue champ.

Current meta favors small skirmishes, disengage -> reengage, and etc, rather than huge fights for blowing an AoE ult in. Kennen is built for one comp, (AoE) and one mindset in teamfights (balls deep).

[TehBrawlGuy]

You need to captain up and spam ping retreat. It's annoying as all hell, but it stops people from being dumbshits occasionally.

[TehBrawlGuy]

It's like saying a dull butter knife is just as effective of a weapon as a gun, because Bruce Lee could kill someone with either. Yes, people with enough skill can do anything and be k. (like Doublelift, as Panz brought up) This is because they can win while handicapping themselves - and make no mistake, by picking a UP champ, that's exactly what you're doing.

In league especially, this makes a huge difference. You cannot just win lane/jungle/whatever by a little and be as okay as if you had stomped them, like you can in 1v1 games. You need to win by as large of a margin as is possible. Going 3-0 instead of 5-0 could lose you a game.

[TehBrawlGuy]

Are you going to be able to blow up that squishy with your 1.8 total AP ratio and huge CD spells?

Like, Ahri has a 1.81 ratio, and part of that is true damage, with two of those spells coming off CD pretty fast. That's

without

ult, btw.

[TehBrawlGuy]

Bearing in mind that this is theorycraft, that probably only applies when they can save their CC to disrupt his low health lifestealing, (ala Olaf) since that's where all his durability is from. If they're forced to pop it early, he can probably use his own CC and sustain to win the fight.

Also, gratz on Gold. Feels good, man.

[TehBrawlGuy]

You keep talking/complimenting and make your ADC stay. Alternatively, make theirs rage.

You go 7/0 with whoever and stomp the game.

tl;dr someone is causing all that shit to happen to you, be that guy

[TehBrawlGuy]

Reg. #4, the single fastest way you can improve is to turn on timestamps in chat, and time drag, baron, and buff camps. Even in Gold, people lose games by being out of place because they're unaware an objective is about to spawn. Also, it's not just enough to say "2236 drag" and be done with it. At 21:06, call out that it's 90 seconds to drag, and again at T-30 seconds. It's not as vital for Drag, but it's a really big deal to have all 5 in the vicinity of Baron when he spawn.

[TehBrawlGuy]

I personally think all beside 2 is irrelevant. I die a lot, I never ward, and I chase kills all day. I'm also gold league. That advice, irrelevant.

This might partially explain why it took so long.

It took so long because the clamp is OP and Duoing with Bronze players puts the clamp on super quick even if you only lose once or twice.

Unless you are one of the two roles that's job is to ward, then it really doesn't matter if you ward as long as you win your lane. Chasing kills can win your lane and snowball your game. Farming is obviously good. If you die 3 times in lane but have more farm, more kills and the tower, doesn't matter that you died.

You want to get better at league of legends. Develop your mechanics so you win your lane more often then not. Win your lane Win The Game. It's that simple.

It still matters a LOT that you died. You don't get any LP for winning your lane on farm, kills, and tower. If your deaths have caused the game to be game's 8-8 instead of 8-5, you may have turned an easy win into a loss. Obv. if those deaths were in good trades, (like dying to get a double) then it's more excusable, but one of the things I learned on my climb was that there is no such thing as stomping hard enough. Your shit team doesn't care if you went 3-2 in lane, got the tower, and are up by 30 creep.

[TehBrawlGuy]

Not gonna lie, I do that with Singed on occasion too. I feel dumb.

[TehBrawlGuy]

hit the mute button and don't ruin the game for 9 people

thanks

[TehBrawlGuy]

Captain up and lead the idiot team to victory. Once you start being the playcaller, things work out well.

[TehBrawlGuy]

Panz, as someone who won >2/3rds of his Leona and Nunu games climbing from Silver IV to Gold IV, stop talking.

You do not know what you are talking about.

[TehBrawlGuy]

Panz, as someone who won >2/3rds of his Leona and Nunu games climbing from Silver IV to Gold IV, stop talking.

You do not know what you are talking about.

Lol yeah, you got carried. You also duo'd with a shit load of people that were way better than you which boosts MMR. You're a scrub that lucked into gold with a 51% win rate. Supports get carried. That's it.

My winrate with support is something like 80%. I didn't do shit in any of those games.

Almost all of the games I played climbing were soloq, actually. The few duos were mostly with randoms I got paired up with, so they had similar MMRs.

I had a shit W/L record in Silver. I've won like 25-30 more games than I've lost since I started to climb.