League of Legends (Old)

[Mastermind of Sin]

Ok seriously? Vent > Skype at least, but if you're gonna start switching programs, use the best one out there.

Go to axon.dolby.com, make an account, and you're done. You can add buddies to your list and invite them to voice chats. It's incredibly easy and by far the best sound quality of any VOIP program out there. Just do it.

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In other news, I went 32/7/8 with Ashe today, and I don't even main her...LoL

3 Bloodthirsters, 1 Infinity Edge, 1 Phantom Dancer, and Mercury Treads.

So. Much. Pain.

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I take issue with this statement:

I know though is that Riot dev team got their asses kicked by HoN dev team in LoL. I admit DivA was a DotA competitive player.

I don't really know where you're going with this statement. Good game dev != Good players. The Riot dev team isn't very good at playing LoL, but they did a hell of a job making.

Beating the Riot dev team isn't a big accomplishment, Otolia. I have played their dev team before, and I went head to head laning against a Pantheon/Janna combo (back when they were the two most OP champs in the game) that included Pendragon himself. I wrecked his shit over and over with a troll DPS Taric build (pre-Manamune), and they didn't even get a single kill against me in the laning phase.

I'm a mid-level ELO player (just under 1300 in ranked, although I don't play ranked much so it's probably inaccurate, but regardless the top players are over 2000 and the shitty ones are just under 1000), and certainly not top tier. I don't understand how you think saying the HoN dev team beat the Riot dev team somehow makes HoN a better game.

Secondly, I don't understand your comments about LoL being counter-intuitive for a DotA/HoN player. I played DotA for about 3-4 years before LoL came out of beta, and making the switch over to LoL was like riding a bike. Both games were created by the same people, and the strong similarities made it easy to go in and pick up on the differences as well without feeling lost.

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Also, if anyone wants to get in a game later this week, look me up: Axle Hellfire

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Secondly, I don't understand your comments about LoL being counter-intuitive for a DotA/HoN player. I played DotA for about 3-4 years before LoL came out of beta, and making the switch over to LoL was like riding a bike. Both games were created by the same people, and the strong similarities made it easy to go in and pick up on the differences as well without feeling lost.

I said the shop was counter-intuitive at first. Now I can navigate through it. I don't find it totally practical but it's not that troubling anymore. I don't know if you did play under Eul or Guinsoo era's but DotA 6.xx has nothing to do with the former versions. IceFrog made some radical choice and the game was more balanced in the end.

I started playing under the Guinsoo/Pendragon eras, but as I said, I played DotA up until LoL was released, which was well into the IceFrog era as well. The majority of my DotA playing came during 5.84b and the subsequent early 6.0X versions.

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Then you are dumb bv310. The conclusion of this article is that both game end up not having success with the mechanic. If you prefer to say 'I'm not reading because he is not partial' you are only showing that you have the same kind of elitism that is saying 'my game is the better one'. Which obviously isn't getting you nowhere. Reflect upon what you do before being judgemental. I thought this was the basis of Mafia ...

And let me remind you of the disclaimer :

Disclaimer: First thing I should point out here is that this is not an attack on League of Legends, but an attack on the poor reasoning I have seen many users, from both HoN and LoL, employ. Second thing is that I am personally FOR denying; this post was made simply to spark discussion. Denying is an integral part of HoN, and will never be removed. I wouldn’t want it to be! With that out of the way, let’s begin.

I actually did read the article, and I don't really agree with what it says. I actually feel that the deny mechanic is a copout that *discourages* PvP play. If I could just sit back and kill my own creeps before the other team can, what incentive do I have to zone them? This is where I feel LoL's decision to remove denying has been most effective. Instead of denying, players now have to actually interact with the other team directly, pushing them away from the creep waves so that they cannot get close enough to get XP as your team's creeps are killed by the opposing wave. I think this takes a lot more skill than denying, because deny is just a last-hit mechanical skill that you can practice over and over, whereas zoning is actually a something that takes strategy and critical thinking to accomplish. Any zombie can deny creeps if they have practiced enough. You could theoretically create a machine that watches creep health and last hits every creep in its wave perfectly. It would be much more difficult to create a machine that could correctly read the opponents moves and maneuver to zone them out of XP. Therefore, I don't see how the deny mechanic adds a desirable aspect to any game, since removing it actually increases the amount of competition between players.

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I main almost every ranged carry and I tend to run Flash+Ignite on the majority of them. Why? Because I'm stuck at the 1150 level and I have to completely dominate my lane. If I don't, I can't carry people. I do run Ghost/Flash on Ashe, but that's only because she has absolutely 0 escapes.

When I play in-houses with my team (and holy shit is it competitive. I would estimate the skill level we tend to play at as around 1500-1700), I generally play the odd role out that my team needs.

My skill with champs in general is:

Ranged AD > Support > AP Carry > Tanky DPS > Tank > Jungle

EDIT: The only champions I have yet to play are Brand and Orianna. I know very well how every single champion works and every viable method of building them.

I feel that ghost is a better spell than flash. I usually run ghost + teleport on Ashe, because full map arrows are the shit. For most of my other ranged carries I use ghost + ignite/exhaust, with the exception of Brand, who needs the flash to set up his stun skill shot.

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My champs (no particular order within each category):

Mains -
Amumu
Brand
Gragas
Galio (not owned)
Ashe
Pantheon
Taric
Udyr
Vladimir
Urgot
Sona

Reasonably Comfortable -
Caitlyn (not owned)
Annie
Blitzcrank
Kayle
Cassiopeia (not owned)
Garen

Learning -
Alistar
Singed
Katarina

Old Mains (haven't played in so long they have changed a lot or I am out of practice) -
Jax
Nunu
Heimerdinger
Master Yi
Sion
Gangplank (I always played tankdenyplank, so I don't play him anymore)

Champs I have never played at all (because I don't own them and didn't get around to it when they were free yet):
Akali
Dr. Mundo
Ezreal
Irelia
Jarvan IV
Karma
Kassadin
Kog'Maw
LeBlanc
Lee Sin
Lux
Malphite
Malzahar
Maokai
Miss Fortune
Morgana
Nidalee
Nocturne
Olaf
Orianna
Rammus
Ryze (not since they first overhauled him almost 2 years ago)
Swain
Teemo
Trundle
Vayne
Warwick (not since they first overhauled him about a year and a half ago)

[Mastermind of Sin]

Because obviously LoL games are very ganking oriented.

I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not, because if you are, you're wrong. LoL games *are* very gank-oriented. It's an integral part of the game.

That's why every team has a jungler and that the sole concept of roamer is beyond your imagination. LoL would be a great game for chinese DotA team, I wonder when they will enter and completely crush the scene by ricing all game long.

Every ranked game I have ever played has a jungler on each team, and about 90% of the normal games I play have a jungler on at least one team. Roaming happens as well in LoL, it's not as prevalent as jungling but I'd say it's about an 70/30 split between the two.

As for ricing, it only works against bad teams. Any decent team shuts down ricing all game in LoL.

Removing the mechanics of denying was a good idea but it wasn't followed with satisfactory results because PvP wasn't encouraged. Even the low (understatement) on skills isn't sufficient to promote a fast pace laning. I have been watching *aAa* stream lately (certainly a top 5 team) and it's all about mind games and less about fighting. You may consider that this is better but eSports are here for entertainment and nothing else. And frankly zoning isn't interesting, kills are.

*shrug* I disagree. eSports exist for my entertainment, not yours. I could care less how fun a game is to watch, because it's more important that it be fun to

play

. And as far as that goes, if you enjoy playing a game a lot, you tend to enjoy watching out. People who enjoy playing LoL don't think that zoning is boring to watch. LoL is not a fragging game, it's a strategy game. We watch it to see people making intelligent moves and outsmart their opponents, not mindlessly run around killing each other.

That

would be boring.

[Mastermind of Sin]

Also, go fnatic!

[Mastermind of Sin]

Udyr goes omnomnom.

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Also, am I the only who realized how crazy awesome Heimerdinger is again? I thought for sure that he sucked, all the heimers I saw were sucking. And then I started carrying games with him for the lulz. wtf >_<

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We shouldd get an actual MS team going.
Me, Fient, Chrono, PEG, and Dram seem to be the best on site ATM.

LoLoLoL...

[Mastermind of Sin]

Damn it. Nasus is one of the few champions I can not play while drunk. I run a mean drunk-Ashe, and have been dying to attempt drunken Gragas

I'm a beast with drunken Gragas.

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TP makes whatever you're porting to invincible, unless it's a tower/inhibitor, IIRC.

As previously mentioned, can't TP to towers.

An interesting thing I've noticed lately though is that if there is a Heimer and he dies while you are TPing to one of his turrets, the turret won't die even though he is dead. It's a pretty sweet way to keep one of his turrets around to help you fight as you jump in to finish off the other team after they kill him.

[Mastermind of Sin]

I prefer Magic Resist or AP for Glyphs (Blue), rather than CDR.

For Marks (Red), go with Armor/Magic Pen unless you play someone like Gangplank a lot and need Crit damage

For Seals (Yellow), I have Mp5/level, flat health, and flat armor runes.

For Quints I have full sets of Armor Pen, Magic Pen, and Flat Health.

I have a solid smattering of other runes, but those are what I'd say are the most important for generic champion builds.

[Mastermind of Sin]

Has anyone messed around with the Gold / 10 runes yet? They keep intriguing me but seem awful as they only give you an extra 18 gold / min which means there is little impact from them (even in a 40 min game they only give you an extra 720 gold) but on a dedicated support who already builds multiple GP/5 items and doesn't have a real need for any stat quint I'm curious if they might work as that is basically 10 free wards.

Actually, I use HP quints on most of my support champs so that I don't get two-shot when people try to focus me out of a fight. Sona is incredibly hard to kill when she has 126 extra HP. =P

I'd take that early survivability over 720 gold for the game any day.

[Mastermind of Sin]

To be fair, it's usually more

"Who are you gonna play?"

"Same person I always play."

*Poppy Roflstomp*

"Another?"

For me it's more like

"Who are you gonna play?"

"Hard random go!"

*team falls apart around me despite my early game dominance*

"fuck you all!"

[Mastermind of Sin]

/in for ARAM. So. Much. Fun.

[Mastermind of Sin]

Reposting: Skill shot failures.

ARAM can be really fun, but you can also be screwed by the randomness. I think one game I had nidalee and soraka on my team, stuff like like.

Wait...Nidalee and Soraka are some of the best champs for ARAM...

ARAM?

All random all mid.

It's a player-made game set where you set a custom game on summoner's rift to automatically randomize the champion selection process (still giving time to set summoner spells / masteries / runes). After the game starts, all players go to mid lane, and the teams duke it out.

The rules state you can't go b, can't buy snowball items (examples: mejai's soulstealer, sword of the occult), and can't jungle. You essentially stick to a mid lane brawl.

Here's the full list of ARAM rules: all random, all mid, no returning to base for any reason except death, no jungle, no grass, no snowball/stack items, no GA, no revive/fortify, suicide OK

I have it saved to a file so I can copy it when I play a game. =P

New people add me on LoL: "Axle Hellfire"

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Skype = lame. Dolby Axon = awesome.

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haha, yea I carried against a team twice my level... xD

[Mastermind of Sin]

To be fair, the garen wasn't very good and he had more farm because he was their mid solo and they had no jungler.

[Mastermind of Sin]

15/0/13. 'nuff said.

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Best thread ever: scot and JD are preaching tolerance to others!

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Ankamius = Ankamius
BBmola = BBmolla5
BrutalAztecs = Skyllus (?)
Bv310 = Bv310
Chronopie = Chronopie
Cyberbob = xtrati (?)
drmyshottyizsic = DrMyShottyIzSik AND UnicornDude AND StrungOver
Gammagooey = Gammagooey
hitogoroshi = flaminghito
IH = ConebreadIH
JDodge = ahallucinogenic
kiwieagle = Kiwieagle
Knight of Cydonia = Aegis Tyrannon
LynchMePls = FalconGK81
Mastermind of Sin = Axle Hellfire
mb53 = shaBAYM
Morthas = Fient
MrZepher = MrZepher
OhGodMyLife = Marie Paris
popsofctown = popsofctown
quadz08 = quadz
RayFrost = RayFrost AND VoidenBlaze
Shanba = Tathis (?)
Starbuck = Mystickah
tanstalas = Tanstalas
TheButtonmen = TheButtonmen
Untrod Tripod = Untrod Tripod
xRECKONERx = reckonerX
ZeroFang =

There is no BBmolla5, unless he's on the EU server.

[Mastermind of Sin]

When I hit 30. And when myself and Chrono find a person who can take on bulky AD and solo top. I could see us having a seriousy decent Arranged 3v3.

pfft. Chrono and I have been tearing up 3v3 all week. Where have you been? =P

[Mastermind of Sin]

Fiddles definitely needs a nerf. Some of the rework from a few patches back was good, but some of it also made him way too strong. He definitely didn't need a range buff on his lifesteal ability.

[Mastermind of Sin]

LoL JD...Espy was the one playing rammus.

AP build, even.

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I'm like 14-15, Ashe auto-locked, I waited for 10ish seconds, then Eve locked. then Malphite locked 15ish seconds..then right towards the end Noc and MF locked. I'm not complaining about auto-lock, I'm more complaining that people deliberately picked a spot that was already fulfilled in the team. we already had a roamer/ganker type and an AD carry.

I think your main complaint should be the fact that someone deliberately picked Evelynn.

I'm 30-30 right now and consider Annie a great champion

I'm 36-40 and I have never played Annie. Been playing a lot of Singed, Nasus, and Veiger.

Edit: Latency, yeah mine has never jumped above 50... but sometimes my comp like to decide to run LoL at 5-7 fps during teamfights.

You should try 4fps all game

Been there, done that. It really sucks.

[Mastermind of Sin]

Most people use LoL Replay to capture, and then they play it back with a program like FRAPS to create the actual video. That prevents you from having framerate issues trying to record live video.

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I think I've got the hang of this monkey thing now.

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...You went 1-4 and then left a game.

That's an incredibly dick move.

His wireless kept causing him to disconnect and reconnect from the game.

It was solved by running a 100' ethernet cable from the basement to his computer.

As you can imagine, this took some time to put together.

Yea I think I reconnected to that game at least 10 times, but I had the misfortune of being disconnected when the game actually ended, so it gave me a leaver mark.

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I used it last year at my old place to run internet upstairs from the router to the desktop server in my room.

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Only 3100? Slacker.

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a) you're a bitch for one-upping
b) You forgot we already had a Nasus crit for like 3K damage lol

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2/0/8 as AP wukong...how the hell?

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The screenshots look nice, but I'm very disappointed by the fact that DotA 2 looks like an obvious reboot of old DotA. The same way HoN flopped as a real contender, DotA will as well if they don't innovate something beyond just the same old map and characters.

[Mastermind of Sin]

No one shops at game stop.

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HoN thread is here.

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lolololololol DotA 2 looks like a crap game, you realize that right? Guinsoo and Pendragon are the only guys who ever truly innovated this genre. Everyone else is just copying off of them.

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LoL simplified the interfaces, removed the deny mechanic, and rebalanced health/defense/offensive.

It's more of a team game now, whereas HoN is a game where you try to get one player fed to godlike proportions and watch them 1v5

and win.

Yea, DotA/HoN/DotA 2 will always be about the 1v5. I remember back in the day it was always Bone Fletcher with the fucking teleport boots taking out the whole team while his teammates baited for him. Pretty dumb shit.

[Mastermind of Sin]

Sona already is a lot better than Soraka. Even DPS Soraka.

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lolololololol DotA 2 looks like a crap game, you realize that right? Guinsoo and Pendragon are the only guys who ever truly innovated this genre. Everyone else is just copying off of them.

...

How long have you played Mobas? You look like someone who started with LoL, otherwise there's no way you could have made a post filled with so much wrong.

Dota 2 will do better because they have experienced and far stronger developers on the job.

LMAO, I started playing DotA 8 years ago...you *do* realize that DotA was *created* by the guys who founded Riot, right?

DotA 2 will be a more well-made game in the form of less bugs, because Valve is a bigger and more developed studio. But they just don't have the experience with Mobas that Riot has, and rebooting an exact copy of DotA is old hat.

a) It's already been done
b) The first time it was rebooted, it sucked
c) The Moba genre has evolved past DotA. We don't need to go back into the Stone Age.
d) DotA was a great game, but it had a lot of issues that have since been solved in terms of gameplay, mechanics, and interface. If DotA 2 doesn't acknowledge and take advantage of these improvements, it's going to suck.

That said, DotA 2 will be a relatively successful game, and it will be good competition for LoL. But that's because there are plenty of nerdraging kids out there who can't get past the fact that LoL changed things from DotA and made it different, and so they've been playing HoN until they could go back to DotA all over again. The only way that DotA 2 will truly become a good game is if they learn from LoL and truly innovate their product. A simple reboot won't cut it.

[Mastermind of Sin]

Yea, I have gotten to lvl 18 without going back to base with a couple different champs now.

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I think that your first paragraph sums up why DotA 2 will do well. LoL is a different game than DotA now and has a whole different target audience, which is not the same hardcore gamers than DotA attracted. LoL attracts the guy who wants to mess around a bit with friends in normals and maybe try to advance in the ELO ladder (however he is guaranteed stress). Now this may sound fine as if people are playing then good right? But in reality these players won't be able to stand to a game like DotA where the competitive scene will come naturally and a lot of players will migrate over there.

Attracting a casual gaming audience != not having competitive gamers in the community. LoL did what DotA and HoN couldn't. It got both types of gamers.

Why do I believe players will make the switch from LoL to Dota 2? Server Stability won't be a huge issue like LoL is, nor will patch updates or other promised released dates. Things that the community really really want the community will get (as a beta player of LoL, there are more things we didn't get that we thought we were going to than we've gotten) and that is a HUGE selling point for fans of LoL who have undergone years of dissapointmnet. And who was it that first picked up LoL? DotA gamers, and they mostly aren't satisfied (like most people from beta) and will try out Dota 2 at least for a while and as it grows most likely really enjoy it. Why wouldn't they, it is very similar to the original DotA game but more sharp and well groomed than the Warcraft 3 mod.

1) I'm very curious as to what things you thought we were going to get that didn't happen. I can think of a few, but I'd rather hear your opinion on it.
2) Being similar to the original DotA game is *not* a good thing.

Dota 2 won't compete with LoL I agree, many people will still play LoL and many will play both. The thing is that as of right now you are attracted to LoL if you're in their abnormal target group (abnormal to the genre of Mobas), have a lot of time invested/progress (mainly applies to tournament goers), or have grown into the game. But DotA 2 will have a better e-sports scene due to many more professional teams that will flock to it for not more than the DotA brand name on the label and the bad reputation LoL has as an e-sport. "We broke the record for most people viewing the stream of an esports event!" Well whoop-de-fucking-doo because that pretty much means nothing to me, that doesn't sound like you ousted DotA rather all of your users had access to the same stream so you broke the record. Now I know DotA 2 will have a pretty bad playerbase as well (Bloodline Champions is the only game in this genre that I can say has a good playerbase and that is because it is small) but that doesn't matter from a player standpoint as no matter where he goes he'll be treated poorly by most of the players so what matters is company treatment. If Dota 2 can make a guild system to make the experience in a game more personal (ie I don't want to be a huge asshole because people can easily track me to my guild and such and report me) then it will blossom all the more.

LoL hasn't had a problem getting professional eSports teams to compete. Hell, the Season 1 champions, fnatic, are probably the most well-known eSports organization in the world. They've been doing this shit forever.

Also wanted to point out that in your list of LoL attributes you listed "A) is already established, B) has a lot of name recognition (no Dota doesn't don't even try to argue it does) and C) has a very very large player base (and in this genre there is no way to recruit players if their friends don't switch, if my friends play LoL there is no way your going to get me hooked on DotA)". LoL has been established as a game that constantly crashes, but is fun to play with friends despite many bugs. Name recognition? Go to my answer for A, but DotA has a ton of name recognition! That game was ABSOLUTELY HUGE back in the day and it still is! To say that DotA has no name recognition amongst gamers in this genre when DotA was one of the biggest titles in the genre even as a mod is ludicrous! Yeah the DotA playerbase will form naturally due to Asia and the island countries having easier tap into the competitive scene than LoLs (LoL in one of the countries there has 12600 ip champs and their ip gains are proportional to this. And most others are patches behind the US and EU countries) and the fact that many US and EU gamers will try and will attach to this game especially ones who have played LoL and want something else.

a) You're missing TBM's point. DotA has major name recognition in a very small, focused subset of the gamer community. Most people who have never played DotA have no clue what it is, and they've never even heard of it. That's not name recognition. League of Legends has made a name for itself in the gamer community at large, including winning some Game of the Year awards when it was released. LoL has way better name recognition than DotA, it's not even a contest.

edit: The guy who posted before me about being 18 with his dorans shield or whatever never going back to base, as a general rule that is bad as unless you are freefarming somehow top racking up 178 CS there is no reason to do that as it gimps you for ganks and fear factor when dealing with enemy map presence. It essentially turns into a 5v4.5 when you're level 18 and not going back, so the enemy could try to force a teamfight on you guys and come out on top due to the item advantage due to you not going back when you had good enough gold.

I never said it was a good idea. However, I did have 233 CS, so...yea. It was mostly for the lulz, not any sort of strategy. I was still forcing the other gragas out of lane even though he'd gone back to buy items twice and I hadn't, lol.

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I have played one bot game to date, cuz my lvl 9 friend wasn't ready for the big time yet...lol

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LMAO, I started playing DotA 8 years ago...you *do* realize that DotA was *created* by the guys who founded Riot, right?

A couple of them

picked up the project

from IceFrog, who took up the project from some guy named Eul or something to that effect. But besides that, the MOBA genre goes way farther than that even. I've played MOBAs on Starcraft, and one in particular is generally credited with spawning the genre (Aeon of Strife). Every new one I've seen up until the DotA clone generation (HoN, Dota 2, LoL) was innovative. These new ones all seem the same, LoL being the only one with innovations worth mentioning.

First off, yes and no. Guinsoo and Pendragon inherited old school DotA (which no one cares about) from Eul, and then they made DotA Allstars into the game that put MOBA on the map. They were the ones who gave us the competitive community, they were the ones who gave us Roshan (aka Baron Nashor), etc etc. IceFrog came *after* Guinsoo and Pendragon. Trust me, I actually remember when DotA went from version 5.84b to 6.00. That's when IceFrog took over and DotA started getting boring. Guinsoo and Pendragon made DotA gain real popularity, and they turned around and took it to the next level with LoL.

I came to LoL because I hated many things about DotA (denying, the community, hidden shops, and several other things) and I decided LoL seemed far enough away from that to be enjoyable. And it was. Unless they change up a whole lot, I will never migrate to HoN or DotA. I'm sure there are many people in my position, especially when you consider the raging, childish community DotA and HoN breed.

^this. Definitely.

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Wow. That was truly and utterly boring to watch. I saw like 3 team fights, and none of them were interesting.

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A mediocre hon pro player went over to LoL and became the number #1 player in a month or two. Thats the skillgap between lolplayers and honplayers.

People who play lol and haven't tried hon, or just half-assedly tried it, just dont have the HOOTSPAH required to be a decent gamer. Hon will always be better because it will always be more intellectually stimulating, more fast-paced, and more strategic. (lol free blink nice meta)

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Wait, so you're saying that LoL is so bad that a HoN player went and played like 500 games in a couple months? He *clearly* wasn't enjoying himself.

[Mastermind of Sin]

A mediocre hon pro player went over to LoL and became the number #1 player in a month or two. Thats the skillgap between lolplayers and honplayers.

People who play lol and haven't tried hon, or just half-assedly tried it, just dont have the HOOTSPAH required to be a decent gamer. Hon will always be better because it will always be more intellectually stimulating, more fast-paced, and more strategic. (lol free blink nice meta)

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Wait, so you're saying that LoL is so bad that a HoN player went and played like 500 games in a couple months? He *clearly* wasn't enjoying himself.

You *clearly* missed the point of his argument...

...and you clearly missed the point of mine. xD

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He's trying to argue why HoN is supposedly a better game than LoL. I'm pointing out that there is a disproportionate number of HoN players (although I claim no knowledge of that specific person he mentioned) who have played LoL enough to reach level 30 (and then some), which is a significant investment of playing time, only to go around talking about how bad LoL is. If they truly did not enjoy the game, they would not have played several hundred matches of it.

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Is anyone else watching the LoL tournament at Gamescom?

Link: http://iemgamescom.leagueoflegends.com/

The CLG-fnatic rematch was pretty epic, with CLG pulling out a pretty dominant victory.

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Yea, I was impressed that they were able to beat fnatic with Shushei playing Gragas. He usually gets banned from that champ, but they were too afraid of his Brand to go for a Gragas ban. From what I heard, though, he misplaced a Gragas ult and gave CLG a good team fight to give them a strong lead.

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CLG going to the finals! HotshotGG is on fire this weekend.

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I can't *not* upload this:

Scores:



Magic Damage Dealt:



Unfortunately, our caitlyn and alistar both d/c'd multiple times throughout the match, and we lost alistar at the most crucial point, when we had just taken baron from them and push their mid inhib. Never again did we have enough power to take their nexus turrets, although we almost got them when ali came back after cait left for the third time.

I also had a larger crit strike than anyone else on their team, as well as a killing spree of 11.

Unfortunately, they wouldn't surrender despite us holding them back in a 3v5 for about 20 minutes, and they were eventually able to push to win.

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Today is my day, apparently.



This time it was against a full 30 high ELO team.

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no one cares, PEG.

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i get to be happy itt for at least this post

wepwnztehriotsokbutreallywehadd4rkn3zroamaroundasgarenandkillingshitineverylanebutminebutthatscauseiwasrapingmylaneimiddedascaitvsanorianasomuchsothattopandmidswappedlanesokso

here is the rest of what i typed that got cropped out(continue reading after ok so:)

theorianaisonlylvl13whateveritdoesntmatterikilledphreaklikefourtimesorsomethingcauseimabadassandidgaf

Congrats. Playing against Riot staff is fun.

Edit: lulz custom game.

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Brain too soft?

Play HoN!

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The player's name is Chu. http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/sho ... p?t=631395

This was a good link.

"The fact that you aren't rewarded for being risky/aggressive/tower-diving is A POSITIVE THING for a game, because it rewards strategy and intelligence rather than brute forcing your opponent to a loss."

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I have always been under the assumption phreak is kinda bad.
[/2cents]

This. Still, I will not begrudge PEG his props regardless. It's still cool to have played and killed Riot staff. I can say the same for Pendragon and myself, but great developer != great player. It's a fun memory regardless.

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Wow...played a ridiculous game tonight with a bunch of scummers. We were getting our asses handed to us in kills (down 11-25 at one point, I think, maybe worse), but they kept trying to 5-man push our bot tower so we sent 4 bot and counterpushed 3 towers at mid and top. Then they beat us to baron and then disappeared for like 5-10 minutes. Seriously, we even went out and farmed our jungle, and we didn't even see them again until they appeared at our mid inhib turret to try and take it. Right before they tower dived us, their baron buff ran out. We dumped everything we had on them and destroyed them, winning the fight 4-1. We then 4-man pushed their mid inhib tower, the inhib, both nexus towers, and the nexus before any of them respawned, and the one guy living couldn't do shit to stop us.

We should have lost that game outright. What a stupid team.

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Naw, that's the whole point of the Nasus changes last patch. They finally made him into a viable jungler.

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Yea, that's what makes a jungling champ =P

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BTW I n'th the request to change the topic title back to "DotA/LoL"

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Heimer.

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So I really really like Annie but I'm not too great with her. If anyone know of any good guides I should read about for her... or just the game in general, that would be helpful~ Because even though I'd love to play with most of you, you are all at or near level 30 and so I feel more accomplished being able to get a couple kills in noob games than maybe pulling off an assist and trying to die less than 10 times with all you pro's <_<;

what about playing in games against bots? It's less pressure and more about learning.

IMO, bots don't have anything to teach you once you've learned the basics of the game. They are too awful to actually teach skill or strategy. Bots are just for figuring out how to use your abilities.

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Because two games in the same genre can't both be good, it's impossible, right?

DotA 2 is probably going to be a good game. That makes two in the same genre. What's your point?

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Because two games in the same genre can't both be good, it's impossible, right?

DotA 2 is probably going to be a good game. That makes two in the same genre. What's your point?

HoN and LoL are both good games, in very different ways, with shit elitist communities. That's my point, and you just proved it.

Hmm...maybe you need to dial up your /sarcasm meter?

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That's not the point. I was being sarcastic, and you took my post at face value when you responded. -_-

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There are two forms of currency in LoL, RP (Riot Points) and IP (Influence Points). RP is purchased using real cash, and IP is earned by playing the game. You get anywhere from 65 - 130 IP for each game, based on how well you do, whether you win or not, and how long the game takes to finish. You also get around double IP for your first win each day, which has a 24 hour revolving window that resets each time you get you first win of the day.

Unlocking champions, runes, etc all works exactly the game. They can all be unlocked by spending either RP or IP to gain access to that feature of the game. The exception are champion skins, which can only be purchased with RP. However, there is also a rotation of around 10-12 champions that are free each week, making them available for play during that week only. This allows you to try out new champions that you don't yet own, so that you know which ones you want to buy.

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AD Carry: Ashe, Caitlyn, Gangplank, Kayle, Master Yi, Pantheon, Urgot, Wukong
AP Carry: Amumu, Annie, Brand, Cassieopeia, Galio, Gragas, Heimerdinger, Master Yi, Vladimir
Tank: Alistar, Amumu, Galio
Bruiser/Off Tank: Blitzcrank, Gangplank, Garen, Gragas, Sion, Udyr, Wukong
Jungler: Amumu, Gangplank, Master Yi, Udyr
Support: Alistar, Sona, Taric

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Coming back after two weeks away... so much patching

Try patching after 6

months

...

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fuck i hate my ELO. Noobs. EVERYWHERE. Like seriously. You don't towerdive a full health Talon as Jax. You don't start blue as Shaco. You don't build Lee Son tank when there is a Cho on your team.

1. idk you can(situational)
2. um you certainly can.
3. atmogs is super standard on lee sin.


not sure where you were going with this. ^_^

Only noob Shacos start at blue.

Pro Shacos start at red.

This is known.

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fuck i hate my ELO. Noobs. EVERYWHERE. Like seriously. You don't towerdive a full health Talon as Jax. You don't start blue as Shaco. You don't build Lee Son tank when there is a Cho on your team.

1. idk you can(situational)
2. um you certainly can.
3. atmogs is super standard on lee sin.


not sure where you were going with this. ^_^

Only noob Shacos start at blue.

Pro Shacos start at red.

This is known.

saintvicious and dan dinh have started at blue as shaco.

^scrubs.

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AP Garen > all

ULTIMAAAAAATE BRAAAAAAAVERY!!!!

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Has anyone figured out how to unmap the new key binding they added this patch?

If you press V, it pings the map (like G, but with a different sound) for falling back. I use V for my PTT on Vent and other VOIP programs, and they didn't add this new key binding to the in-game menu that I can find. Does anyone know how to change it?

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Yea, it's the name that shows up for you in-game when you're playing, as well.

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POPPY [/inb4chrono]

Getting on to smash face nao.

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Watching me die to blue minion AFTER getting first blood in a 2v1 gank and then finishing 10/5/11...even funnier.

In other news, Lich Bane Sona is still too OP. 11/4/17 as top solo against GP and Leona. Got first blood that game, too.

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Espy and Ank are both wrong. Tiger stance first, cloth armor + health pots, start at enemy jungler's wraiths. GG yo.

In other news, yes Riot can't decide what they want to do with udyr, and they keep nerfing/buffing the shit out of tiger and phoenix to make one better/worse than the other. Still, tiger is currently the better of the two, ESPECIALLY since you can use Phoenix to buff your Tiger proc by giving you extra AD. Phoenix->Turtle is far inferior to Phoenix->Tiger. Udyr is a beatass that happens to synergize with off-tank items such as Frozen Mallet. Tiger is his best tower-pushing ability, maxing anything else out first is a waste and means you're either not playing toward your team's win condition (ie pushing towers), or you're so bad/pussy/both that you think survivability is udyr's main goal.

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So far, I really dislike the following champions: Sion, Amumu, Malphite.

I really wish the encoding on my amumu guide wasn't fucking up the video so I could post that shit.

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You don't

go Mid against MF as

play teemo.

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I kinda wanna play Singed, he seems like a really balanced champion.

The new rotation this week features half champions I already own and half champions I really had no interest in playing...

Can someone give me a list of like the top 3-5 junglers in the game? I really wanna get better at jungling. Also, any basic tips would be great... such as how to sustain health, when to leave the jungle and start laning, when you can take down dragon/baron, etc.

Tip #1: Never leave the jungle to start laning unless your team is absolutely awful. The real question is when to stop jungling and start ganking, and that really depends on which champion you're playing. Here's a list of most junglers, with my favorites in the first one and several others there for completeness' sake. These lists are in no particular order within their sub-categories.

My favorite junglers:

Udyr
Amumu
Rammus
Olaf

Other great junglers:

Warwick
Nocturne
Fiddlesticks
Shaco

Honorable Mentions:

Gangplank
Irelia
Lee Sin
Xin Zhao
Nunu
Yi

Other Junglers:

Malphite
Karthus
Jarvan
Shen
Jax
Trundle
Tryndamere

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@MoS: Is that list of junglers only if you have proper runes/masteries? Like, Warwick was fine and easy to use in jungle without a bunch of runes/masteries, but I tried Lee Sin and got pwned.

Off the top of my head, you should be able to jungle without perfect setups on these champs (and maybe a few more):

Udyr
Rammus
Nocturne
Warwick
Nunu
Yi

The other junglers may require more setup to use. I haven't used them all, so I can't say for sure.

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Finally, got my Amumu jungle sweep uploaded. It's just a brief intro to how to start with amumu, and Youtube messed up the video quality and audio sync, but it'll do for now.

Axle Hellfire's Amumu Jungling Guide

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Uhhh...how did you lose to bots? o.O

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Ah one of those games where people call you noobs when you won the game for them with the help of an epic talon.

2/5/4

Put it this way. I opened up the endgame. I don't think I was in one teamfight after 15 minutes. I was instead at one of their towers hacking away. My team were smart enough to only fight under our turrets which let me split push like a mofo. Then when they went to send one person down to stop me they couldn't do shit because I had 15 minutes of free farm. So they had to chose to either fight 3v4 or sacrifice a tower. I was rather happy with my play as we were really down and out before I started BDing.

This being because noobs think kills are everything. I'm glad noone has yet tried to call me out for being 1/5/25 as Sona, for the sake of such an idiot Only a matter of time mind.

Anyone know where that link to change the recommended items went? I can't seem to find it.

You only get 1 kill as Sona? o.O

Espy knows what's up.

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You aren't getting Noc done without a full set.

Cho, Nunu and Fiddle are your best bets with limited runes.

See: what somebody else said about Cho.

In other news, Udyr is still the easiest.

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Meanwhile at riot while servers down
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vh3tuL_D ... e=youtu.be

I laughed at the comments

This is even better:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HKyX7x3xRyw&NR=1

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Our solo Udyr d/ced at lvl 3 after dying twice to Urgot, so I went top to take him 2 levels behind. I proceeded to dominate the whole game, going on a 15 kill spree without dying through the end of the game after 2 early deaths when it was 2v3. Udyr reconnected when we were all 6 levels ahead, so I made him build tank and aggro them every team fight. Until the last 10 minutes of the game, the only AP items I had were Rylais and a Doran's Ring. I rushed Thornmail and Frozen Heart to shut down the whole opposing team and then wrecked their shit. 18 kills and 16 assists, when my teammates combined for 18 kills total...lawl

Too easy.



The sad thing is, their Ezreal had nearly twice as many wins as anyone else on their team, and the udyr had almost as many wins as both my teammates combined.

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Pro Heimer makes more gold than the Kennen!

I was d/ced from lvl 1 until my team was lvl 15 and they were lvl 12. I then proceeded to lvl like a boss. >_>

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Tank Urgot too easy.

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Garen #1 top solo
Talon #1 top solo

Be afraid.

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Riven is supposedly unplayable in ranked.

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What is the point of her then? Lame.

Also I tried talon today and it was balls. I'm sure I was doing something drastically wrong, but for me his ult did 0 damage. Not a little bit ... ZERO.

didn'tlookitup.jpg

I also tried Talon today for the first time. He was awesome. 6/5/12 in my first game. =P

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what does the ult DO

Talon's ult puts blades out in a circle and stealths you. When you cast the ult a

second

time, it brings the blade back to your location. Any blade that passes through an enemy does damage. So you can either use it to escape, or you can use it, then jump on top of someone and cast it again to wreck them.

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That's because the sound of your teammates screaming in frustration is too loud.

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Yea, that quiz sucks.

Champs scoring 12+: Zilean, Urgot, Morgana, Malphite, Garen, Caitlyn, Pantheon, Brand, Alistar, Rammus, Tristana, Singed, Renekton, Janna

Main scoring 12+: Urgot, Caitlyn, Pantheon, Brand, (Kinda: Garen, Alistar)

Mains below 12 (in order): Annie, Gangplank, Blitzcrank, Ashe, Udyr, Taric, Vladimir, Gragas, Galio, Cassiopeia, Amumu, Heimerdinger, Master Yi, Sona

lol.

[Mastermind of Sin]

Cait is one of the best laning champs in the game. Cait doesn't lose to *anyone*.

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Bad Ank! Bad!

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Not much point in playing anymore; the game isn't fun anymore and the team is basically half dead now.

Who is "The team" ?

http://www.nationalesl.com/us/lol/go4lo ... m/6205216/

Heh, apparently I'm not even listed anymore. Lawl.

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Ok so the Yi build I think I'm going to go with:

Start with Vampiric Scepter
AS Boots
Build Scepter into Stark's
Frozen Mallet
Black Cleaver / Bloodthirster / Phantom Dancer (interchangeable order based on gamestate)

It works for me, anyway.

What Ank said about Vamp scepter being a bad starting item, totally true. Also, Yi doesn't need AS boots, he's already baller. Better off getting AS runes and buying Merc Treads to cut down on CC, since that's the one thing that fucks with yi. Stark's is a great item, but I wouldn't necessarily make it a core item unless the rest of your team can benefit from it.

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Ok so the Yi build I think I'm going to go with:

Start with Vampiric Scepter
AS Boots
Build Scepter into Stark's
Frozen Mallet
Black Cleaver / Bloodthirster / Phantom Dancer (interchangeable order based on gamestate)

It works for me, anyway.

What Ank said about Vamp scepter being a bad starting item, totally true. Also, Yi doesn't need AS boots, he's already baller. Better off getting AS runes and buying Merc Treads to cut down on CC, since that's the one thing that fucks with yi. Stark's is a great item, but I wouldn't necessarily make it a core item unless the rest of your team can benefit from it.

Later game though surely the benefit of merc treads comes into question a little with highlander being up so often if you're doing well? Also the ultimate thing that fucks with Yi is Thornmail

Eh, Thornmail doesn't fuck me up as much as CC. But that's because I don't underestimate the power of AP/hybrid yi.

Point is, if you don't get merc treads early it's a hell of a lot harder to get to the point where you're doing well. If you're doing well enough that you don't need the merc treads anymore, just sell them for different boots. That shouldn't come until mid-to-late game, though. If you're doing that well, you can afford to trade out your boots.

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Sooooo junlge Kat is fun.

Start cloth armour and 5 pots. Take shunpo and start blue for the cdr. Then take golems and a point in her w. Destroy wraiths and take their jungles golems. Recall buy that 435 ap thing and clear with one more time ending in red. Should be lvl 5 or 6 depending on your runes and masteries. Hopefully you are lvl six with red. B get hetrix revolver and clear one last time and then you will be for sure at least lvl 6 and have scarrrrrrry as fuck ganks with her ult. After first gank roam back and forth clearing jungle in between ganks. Take socerers shoes after revolver then take hetritch gunblade then an abysals septer. Sell cloth armour. Buy voided staff a second gun blade and a death cap in that order. You ap is amazingly high. Your magic pen is over the top you have a great amount of spell vamp and life steal plus your ad is high as well. Your ult can keep you alive while going 3v1 against a gangplank master yi and a wukong(thats who I 1v3`d then shunpo`d to the assisting annie for a quad. And about 30 seconds later found their alistar roaming jungle and shunpod exhausted and ulted him for an ace. The only thing you need to be ware of is cc. Her ult is easy stopped so wait until you see your enemy use their stun or knock up before ulting. Also always hit your w before shunpoing at a champion. Its why I take it second in jungle. The jungle creeps do way less damage when you w and then shunpo them too. 20 percent iirc.

Uh...what runes/masteries are you using for this? I just tried it in a practice game and I beefed up her HP by an extra 100 or so, and she couldn't even get the golem below 300 hp AFTER smite without dying.

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Rune Page 1
Armor Pen Reds
Armor Yellow
Scaling MR Blue
Flat Attack Damage Quints

Rune Page 2
Magic Pen Reds
Scaling Mana Regen Yellow
Scaling Ability Power Quints
Movement Speed or Flat AP Quints (Or 2 Move, 1 Flat)

Pretty good setup for first two rune pages?

Ehhhhhh. AD and AP runes are bad. You'd be better off with Armor Pen Quints for the first set and Magic Pen Quints for the second set. Other than that, looks good.

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Back to LoL songs
Panic At The Nexus
Pwn Ur Face

I love these guys. They have my fav LoL videos.

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Sooooo junlge Kat is fun.

Start cloth armour and 5 pots. Take shunpo and start blue for the cdr. Then take golems and a point in her w. Destroy wraiths and take their jungles golems. Recall buy that 435 ap thing and clear with one more time ending in red. Should be lvl 5 or 6 depending on your runes and masteries. Hopefully you are lvl six with red. B get hetrix revolver and clear one last time and then you will be for sure at least lvl 6 and have scarrrrrrry as fuck ganks with her ult. After first gank roam back and forth clearing jungle in between ganks. Take socerers shoes after revolver then take hetritch gunblade then an abysals septer. Sell cloth armour. Buy voided staff a second gun blade and a death cap in that order. You ap is amazingly high. Your magic pen is over the top you have a great amount of spell vamp and life steal plus your ad is high as well. Your ult can keep you alive while going 3v1 against a gangplank master yi and a wukong(thats who I 1v3`d then shunpo`d to the assisting annie for a quad. And about 30 seconds later found their alistar roaming jungle and shunpod exhausted and ulted him for an ace. The only thing you need to be ware of is cc. Her ult is easy stopped so wait until you see your enemy use their stun or knock up before ulting. Also always hit your w before shunpoing at a champion. Its why I take it second in jungle. The jungle creeps do way less damage when you w and then shunpo them too. 20 percent iirc.

Uh...what runes/masteries are you using for this? I just tried it in a practice game and I beefed up her HP by an extra 100 or so, and she couldn't even get the golem below 300 hp AFTER smite without dying.

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pentakill sona is bad x3

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Really? The people I see at 1400-1450 are pretty awful, similar to the people I saw down at 1000 last season.

ELO hell won't end until you get to at least 1550-1600, most likely.

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But lich bane sonaq lives on killing with the pew pew beams.

Damn right.

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Congrats, Ank. I hope this turns out better than the last team, lol...

Streaming and Casting inhouses with SuperStag:

http://www.justin.tv/ankamius

EDIT: Looks like I'm solo now

Ank is an awesome caster. Also, last night we learned that it only takes me 1 game to get Udyr on the other team's permaban list.

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Congrats, Ank. I hope this turns out better than the last team, lol...

Streaming and Casting inhouses with SuperStag:

http://www.justin.tv/ankamius

EDIT: Looks like I'm solo now

Ank is an awesome caster. Also, last night we learned that it only takes me 1 game to get Udyr on the other team's permaban list.

If i have any say in the matter

you will never see Udyr again.

<3

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ESPECIALLY IF YOU ARE LULU

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D/C-ing MoS still better than bv :O

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URGOT TOO PRO

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BRANDI GET ON WE NEED ONE

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6v5s are absolutely broken

We almost had an inhouse today where quadz was on the same team twice. Really tempted to start it to see if he could pick two champions...

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Now on a 15 game vladding spree, going 5-0 in my last 5 games bringing my overall win/loss for this spree to 10-5. I'm gonna keep this going for as long as I can stomach - if I start having any weird dreams involving rivers of blood or scantily clad women in nightgowns I'll probably stop.

Actually, on second thoughts...

EDIT: Another win on vlad takes me to 11-5 overall. Enjoying this whole "play one champ over and over thing".

That's how you're supposed to do it. =P

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TANKPLANK TOO STRONK

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K CALM DOWN U GUYS R GARB

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I'll trade you Charter for Comcast.

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HECARIM TOO STRONK

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YEAAAA BOIIIII

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AP HECARIM

NO FUCKS GIVEN

ALSO, FUCK YOU DRK FOR BEATING MY CS

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First game of Singer's meet:



93 team assists LOLOLOL

ALSO GAMMA STOLE MY PENTAKILL WITH AN AUTOATTACK WTF BITCH

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Voted pardon but he's gonna get trolled anyway so it doesn't matter.

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I am so proud to be part of that Izzy. You made my night.

That's not even a troll setup...revive is OP on dominion.

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The nerfs seem directed at AP mummy, rather than normal tanky CC bot mummy.

Why would anyone bother to play mummy bot? That's retarded...he's so much better as a jungler.

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k I was like o.O

I forgive you.

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eh, the problem is people usually go JUNGLE/MID as soon as they get into the game and I don't want to get into a pissing match with randoms in champ select over what role to play, I just fill in whatever we need

Since when do people call out jungle...?

People call out jungle all the time at my ELO. ~1100...fucking powerslide.

Man, I love that I'm just high enough that my ELO doesn't call out jungle all the time...that means it actually falls to me occasionally when I wait for people to call out their shit. Usually can't get mid, though.

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Did they buff Sona again?



GODLIKE!

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The other least played champs are Sejuani, who is outclassed in her role by just about everyone else that can play it.

Sejuani OP!!!!

Not really...I mean she is veeeery situational and depends on the team comp. That said, most games I play her I end up going something like 5/0/8. She's hella fun, but you have to do a lot to make up for how weak she is.

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I'm still pissed at Gamma for stealing my Hecarim penta as fucking MORGANA.

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THE PLAYS!!!!!!!

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I could probably learn support, I've played it a lot.

You gotta get to silver first bro. =P

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https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc ... ring#gid=0

Something my friend is working on, not done obv.
poor karma

Why the fuck is Ziggs not on this spreadsheet? Your friend is way behind the times. =P

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PROMOTION YAY

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I personally like this one better

This video is full of fail. The song is only ok, and the video sucks because instead of showing us a bunch of fails, we have to watch him sing into a mic and make faces at us.

FAIL.

P.S. - DeathNote agrees.

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Everything The Yordles have done is better.

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if there had been more clips and less of the guy's face i would have liked it

This.

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I saw this and thought of PEG <3

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I'm not sure what your premise is. Ranged champs are more successful in what context? You can't just compare them in a void. They each fill certain roles in a game and complement each other.

Also, melee is pronounced "may-lay".

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I'm just going to leave this here: