League of Legends (Old)

[Knight of Cydonia]

So I've had a really good run with Taric this week, need to buy him, but I just came out of a game where I went 1/3/20, and our own Ashe (who went something like 6/10/10 and built a fucking TIAMAT) said "gg all except noob taric no kills lol"
First off: since when did gg mean anything but "good game, you beat us well", and secondly, since when did everyone forget what a support/tank is supposed to do? Every teamfight, I run in, stun, pop Shatter then use Radiance to buff our AD champs... but no, not good enough. I thought the 360 online community was bad...

[Knight of Cydonia]

The problem with Panth is he has pretty poor late-game viability, and anyone who can consistently crit/apply a slow to him like Ashe or Tryndamere will wreck his shit as soon as you leave laning phase. If you can do well enough to finish at 25, great. Once you get to about 35-40 minutes, though...

[Knight of Cydonia]

Udyr is still more than viable as a jungler. He's not top-tier, but he's not far behind Warwick and Rammus. It's Eve and Amumu who were hit hardest really. Amumu used to be guaranteed to be on at least one team a game, now he's practically useless.
Also, Locket needed to be removed. Udyr wasn't just strong, he was practically unkillable early on. Ditto for Gragas.

[Knight of Cydonia]

I agree they needed to pull the Locket, but nerfing Visage, Randuin's, and Tiger Stance all at once just seemed like a direct response to that one guy running show in the Ionia/Noxus match. Plus Udyr's one good role was jungling. weakening his jungling skill makes a lot more people take him into the lane, which is just sad to see.

Who are some non-standard junglers? I want to be a jungler, but I can't stand using WW, and Rammus is getting nerfed next patch.

Randuin's isn't something I'd normally see on Udyr anyway, I'd rather have the main tank carrying that, and really only against a heavy AD team.
As for alternate junglers... Shaco is (barely) viable and can be useful in ganks, but still drops off horribly late game. Tryn jungling is possible but tricky, and he's better laning with someone with a stun to feed him FB and/or kills. Olaf is a decent jungle pick if you have someone who can absolutely lock down a 1v2 until he's ready to gank. Nunu jungle is doable too but slows his build down too much to be really useful IMO.

[Knight of Cydonia]

They're nerfing my Rammus?

• Elementz learns how to carry/dominate with a champ.
  
• Elementz moves champ to the top of his retarded tier list.
  
• Riot nerfs champ.
  
• Elementz moves them back down a few tiers until they get a rework/buff.

Such is life in the League.

[Knight of Cydonia]

Except one of the major points of having a jungler is for them to either bluepill after they take red and blue, then gank at full strength, or gank straight after red and blue (if they're WW).
Rammus' Powerball into a taunt is pretty much his main initiation method too, which means his whole game is being nerfed.

[Knight of Cydonia]

Valuable opinion = "I think this is crap compared to this, and here is why."
Your post = "THESE SUCK"

[Knight of Cydonia]

Wow. You're not just not on the latest patch, you're 5 patches behind.
From what I've seen around the 1500 Elo mark, that's pretty much exactly what Ryze does now - stack mana, CDR and AP, then spamspamspam and just hope he lands his snare in teamfights.

[Knight of Cydonia]

9600 IP for Ashe? She's 450 on the US server (which I play on because I got fed up of the majority of my team on EU never speaking English)... I mean, she's a solid ranged AD carry, but she's nowhere near the best.

[Knight of Cydonia]

You forgot the 4100 or whatever it was one. Which was used once, and then NEVER AGAIN.

[Knight of Cydonia]

Custom game IP farms have been nerfed hugely. 60IP a game, max.

[Knight of Cydonia]

Yeah, it seems odd to reward people less for playing your game more... I dunno.

[Knight of Cydonia]

A Jarvan Taric duo lane is guaranteed a kill once you hit 6 if your opponent/s aren't doing the smart thing and hugging like a bitch. Dazzle into Cataclysm, or Cataclysm and then stun them once they're in the arena, and then Taric uses his ult to give you both bonus physical damage, and his W for the armour debuff.

Actually, now that I think about it, a Taric/anything lane can get a cheap kill at 6.
...Taric is OP, nerf plz Riot

[Knight of Cydonia]

Because it's shit.

[Knight of Cydonia]

Been 30 for... a while. Bought Taric something like 10 games ago and haven't played anything since except in ARAM custom games. Also haven't lost in a while.

[Knight of Cydonia]

Ah yes. I've actually considered trying to build him as an AP/AD hybrid instead of a tank/support - I figure that the AP should give him 500~ self-heals, and with some AD as well as his ult, he'd end up being a very hard to kill tower-nuker. I might try that out in a custom game, actually...

[Knight of Cydonia]

His AP ratios aren't good enough to build AP and his base attack speed isn't good enough for him to be built AD, but maybe he could be hybrid. Since the hybrid items are super gold efficient it could overpower his weak scaling for AP or AD. Seems like an interesting idea. Would you build Nashor's Tooth or Guinsoo's Rageblade first? Guinsoo's has more raw gold efficiency, but Nashor's has CDR which Taric really likes, and more attackspeed which makes Imbue cool down faster. Seems like it goes to Nashor's.
Hextech Gunblade seems like it'd be a bad idea since Taric already has good base damage off his ult, and the spell vamp and lifesteal would get wasted a lot of the time when imbue is keeping him at full health.

I'm thinking start with Nashor's simply because it builds out of Fiendish Codex, which is quickest to go to since I usually start Taric as Meki + 1 health pot + 1 mana pot. Then boots 2, then finish this build: situationally - although I'd suggest swapping out the Frozen Heart for Banshee's Veil against a more AP-heavy team. For those too lazy to click through: this gives him maxed-out CDR, 100 AP, 184 AD pre-ult, 1.8k mana and 25 MP/5, whilst maintaining decent survivability and the Aegis and Frozen Heart auras so you can teamfight respectably still if needed.

[Knight of Cydonia]

Maokai fits in with people like Panth in that if the game is going to end at 20/25 minutes he's a beast, but as soon as you head towards the 35 minute mark, you might as well just not bother.
His snare is kinda useful though.

[Knight of Cydonia]

The number of times I've seen Maokai ult, and then everyone but myself and Maokai run out of the ult to get their shit slapped... ugh.
And the best part is when they then bitch out Maokai: "ur ult is fukin usless just like u, uninstall noob".

[Knight of Cydonia]

I personally flit between Ashe, Cho'gath, Taric and Singed, depending on how I feel/what the team needs. I play Ashe a lot less than any of the others purely because

everyone

wants to be that big bad-ass fed solo mid, whereas people tend not to expect a Cho'gath whose W is hitting for ridiculous burst as well as the silence (if you're going to play Cho, rush Rod of Ages on him, then build Mercury's Treads/Ninja Tabi, situational damage negation, then Rylai's Crystal Scepter for the extra slow and AP. Works wonders.), or a Taric who heals for 500 and is literally impossible to tower-dive pre level 10-11, making him an excellent solo bottom lane if you can control the flow of creeps properly and still last hit. And Singed is... well, just buy Boots 3, Rylai's, and take Ghost as a summoner spell. Boots of Swiftness + Ghost + your ult = 540~ movespeed before runes, and Rylai's means that people will be slowed after you fling them, slowed MORE by your glue, and slowed as long as they're in your poison.

[Knight of Cydonia]

I ran an Alistar jungle today. It was surprisingly effective, got our mid (Jarvan) to spear blue so I could take it down with Pulverise and Smite at leve 1, used blue to spam my heal while clearing everything but red, went back, got Sheen, then ganked the opposing team's solo lane and just went wandering from there on out. Finished up 3/5/17 with 3 towers downed. Probably not viable at any decent sort of ELO with a counterjungle being run properly, but it can work.
And yeah, the only real counter to Nocturne's ult seems to be for everyone to rush Banshee's, which is ridiculous.

[Knight of Cydonia]

I main Alistar, Singed, and Taric. I'm not the one getting my shit fucked up, it's the silly squishy carry who overextends and then OMG I CAN'T DO ANYTHING, or even better, "OMG Y U NO SAVE ME FROM HALF THE MAP AWAY TANK"

[Knight of Cydonia]

You screwed it up bad. It's still more than possible with Tier 1 runes. If you have any worries about it at all, ask mid or top to leash it with either a few autos or an ability (Jarvan's spear works well for this since it comes with an armor debuff)

[Knight of Cydonia]

Still see Amumu jungles regularly here (1600 ELO). He usually needs someone to leash a couple of hits on blue, but once he's got that he's fine.

[Knight of Cydonia]

That guide is flatout retarded. Masteries are okay, but you should be taking flat armor yellows, mp/5 per level blues, MPen Reds, and flat health quints.
Start with Cloth Armor, not Elixir of Fort. Start at blue, make sure someone leashes it for a few seconds. Take Despair, time your health pots to keep your health as near full as possible, and smite it to finish and avoid the steal. Use blue, your W and E to clear everything but red, then back, buy situationally, and then gank. Never take red yourself, aim to leash it for your solo mid/main AD-based DPS if your mid isn't that. Once you hit 6, you should be roaming as much as possible for ganks/pushing.

[Knight of Cydonia]

At low level, you are going to seriously struggle to jungle with anyone. No full mastery set, no full rune page. I wouldn't advise it.

[Knight of Cydonia]

I'm pretty sure that the Riot logo flying at the screen at punching it has never been more apt. If they actually have a champ coming out this week, then it's forgivable, but if all their resources have been ploughed into this joke... I gon' be mad.

[Knight of Cydonia]

Patch Notes


New skins in the store
Urfgot
Nunurf
Urlaf
Rammurf
Urfdyr
Seeing-Eye Kog
8-bit-tlesticks

Lee Sin, the Blink Monk

Sonic Wave / Resonating Strike:
Sonic Wave: Lee Sin projects a discordant wave of sound to locate his enemies, dealing physical damage to the first enemy it encounters. If Sonic Wave hits, Lee Sin can cast Resonating Strike for the next 3 seconds.
Resonating Strike: Lee Sin dashes to the enemy hit by Sonic Wave, dealing physical damage plus 10% of their missing health.

Safeguard / Iron Will
Safeguard: Lee Sin rushes towards a target ally, shielding them both from damage. If a shield is broken, half the energy cost is returned. After using Safeguard, Lee Sin can cast Iron Will for the next 3 seconds.
Iron Will: Lee Sin's intense training allows him to thrive in battle. For 5 seconds, Lee Sin gains lifesteal, spell vamp, and armor.

Tempest / Cripple
Tempest: Lee Sin smashes the ground sending out a shockwave that deals magic damage and reveals enemy units hit. If Tempest hits an enemy, Lee Sin can cast cripple for the next 3 seconds.
Cripple: Lee Sin cripples nearby enemies revealed by Tempest, reducing their Movement and Attack Speed for 4 seconds. Movement and Attack Speed recover gradually over the duration.

Dragon's Rage (Ultimate)
Lee Sin performs a powerful roundhouse kick launching his target back, dealing physical damage to the target and any enemies they collide with. Enemies the target collides with are knocked into the air for a short duration.
Flurry (Passive)
After Lee Sin uses an ability, his next 2 basic attacks gain 50% Attack Speed and return 10 energy each.

Akali
Akali is no longer a ninja

Alistar
Pulverize now slams enemies into the ground instead of into the air
Headbutt has been changed to Rocket Grab
Alistar is now a ninja

Amumu
Amumu is now happy
Emumu skin has been replaced with Punkmumu

Annie
Annie has grown up and is now a teenager
Tibbers now wears armor

Blitzcrank
Blitzcrank now giggles whenever he uses Power Fist

Cassiopeia
Cassiopeia has been removed from the League following an incident involving a plane
We’re tired of all the Miss Fortuning snakes, on that Miss Fortuning plane

Cho’Gath
Cho’Gath now starts the game the same size as if he had 6 feasts
Feast still increases Cho’Gath’s size
Bushes can no longer stealth Cho’Gath

Corki
Valkyrie is now global
Gatling Gun now heals teammates as well as damaging enemies
Corki can now fly over obstacles without using Valkyrie

Dr. Mundo
Dr. Mundo decided that he enjoys the color blue
Dr. Mundo now has mana
None of his ability costs have changed

Fiddlesticks
Crowstorm now triggers Terrify on all enemies caught in the area of effect
Terrify’s Fear duration has been increased to 10 seconds at all ranks
Fiddlesticks has been removed from the League

Galio
Now shouts “DEMACIAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!” while channeling Idol of Durand

Gangplank
Gangplank’s model has been replaced with a targeting reticle
Gangplank now fights from his boat
Parrrley is now global
His VO has been reworked to be shouted from a distance and includes far more laughter

Gragas
Gragas is now sober

Garen
Courage has been removed and replaced with a new ability

New Ability – Plant Grass
Garen infects an area with grass seeds, causing additional brush to grow over the next 30 seconds. When brush is fully grown, it can be used by allies and enemies

Jax
Jax can no longer dodge
Jax’s lamppost has been deemed overpowered and replaced by a rocket launcher
All of Jax’s abilities are now ranged and blow things up
Jax can now dodge again


Nidalee
Age reduced by 10 years
Aspect of the Cougar has been renamed to Aspect of the Puma

Pantheon
Grand Skyfall has been renamed to the more appropriate: “Man Drop”

Sion
Sion has taken a sabbatical from the League to pursue a lifelong dream of teaching Kindergarten
He’ll be back

Sivir
Ricochet bounces now apply on-hit effects such as Tiamat and Madred’s Bloodrazor

Sona
Now requires skill to play

Teemo
Cuteness increased by 10%
Teemo may no longer be the target of hostile attacks or abilities

Tryndamere
Undying Rage has been renamed to Endless Rage
Endless Rage now has infinite duration

Zilean
Zilean can now travel back in time creating new realities and tangent universes in the process
Something has gone terribly wrong

Items:
New Item: Yordle Saddle. Any yordle champion can buy this new item to ride Cho'Gath.
Wriggle's Lantern: new unique passive: taunts nearby Jaxes (both enemy and allied)
Tiamat has been renamed to Tamat

[Knight of Cydonia]

If your brother is building a Bloodthirster before an Infinity Edge on Ashe, he is seriously doing it wrong. Her passive gives you natural increases to crit chance, and Infinity Edge lets you land ridiculous crits. It's the first thing Ashe should be building, IMO.
I generally go Doran's Blade -> Boots 1 and BFS on first recall -> finish IE next recall -> Banshee's Veil and Mercs -> Black Cleaver -> Last Whisper or Bloodthirster depending on if I need more ArPen (I generally take red ArPen on Ashe anyway)

[Knight of Cydonia]

You know, I don't think I've ever played Ashe more than a few games. I tried her initially, but then I found Nasus, and played him for a long time, then bought Kayle and went from there. I still can't play her either. She's just way too squishy for how I tend to play.

Which is why you generally buy Banshee's Veil ASAP after your Infinity Edge. If your tanks are doing their job, you won't get focused down too hard, and generally I take Cleanse/Flash to deal with her lack of a natural escape.

[Knight of Cydonia]

i still dont know how im supposed to kill minions when itd obv put me in a 2v1 situation

Are you a ranged champ? Then

DUH.

Are you a melee champ? Then you should be laning with a ranged champ of some sort, and you should literally be diving in, last hitting, and then backing up to just behind the casters, and if you do get jumped, then as a melee champ you should really have flash to get you out of that situation. The ranged champ you lane with alternates between their own last hits and harassing with their AA/abilities if necessary/viable.
Are you in a 2-melee lane? Then have a word with the rest of these fucks about your team comp.

[Knight of Cydonia]

0/7/0 Rammus... HOW

[Knight of Cydonia]

We went 3/21 or so that game

Let me put this in perspective. I was around 1500 5v5 Ranked ELO on the EU server before I migrated to the US server (less chance of running into a full team of non-English speakers). On the US server, I've played against a team of 1800+ ELO players that included HotshotGG and imaqtpie, and yeah, we lost, but it was something like 7/15 at the end of the game. I was tanking as Singed and went 1/2/4. Singed doesn't have the taunt, Powerball, or DBC that Rammus does.
I just want you to understand the context of the giant pile of fail you've created.

[Knight of Cydonia]

1. They aren't even summoner level 30. Entirely different game, ELO aside.
2. They're much lower ELO. The difference in ability between a 500 and 800 player is massive because they are working on BASIC estimates of fight outcomes and FUNDAMENTAL strategy. The difference between a 1500 and 1800 player is not as large.

3. 3/21 is waaay worse the 7/15.

Once the gulf had widened, dying without killing was probably close to inevitable once you walked past your tower. That puts the tank score in a different context.
4. Statwhoring is bad, all stats need to be taken in context. An 0/3/0 player

probably

played poorly, but that's not necessarily true. Teammates can totally let you down, you can tank for kills that you never tagged for an assist (happens a lot to me as Annie, apparently after Tibbers stuns you, Annie taunts you for 5 seconds.). You can die shortly after backdooring a key tower. The list goes on.

Well, at least you acknowledge you kinda suck. That said, if you're not 30, okay, fair enough, still learning. My bad.

Cyber - choke on a million dicks.

[Knight of Cydonia]

1. They aren't even summoner level 30. Entirely different game, ELO aside.
2. They're much lower ELO. The difference in ability between a 500 and 800 player is massive because they are working on BASIC estimates of fight outcomes and FUNDAMENTAL strategy. The difference between a 1500 and 1800 player is not as large.

3. 3/21 is waaay worse the 7/15.

Once the gulf had widened, dying without killing was probably close to inevitable once you walked past your tower. That puts the tank score in a different context.
4. Statwhoring is bad, all stats need to be taken in context. An 0/3/0 player

probably

played poorly, but that's not necessarily true. Teammates can totally let you down, you can tank for kills that you never tagged for an assist (happens a lot to me as Annie, apparently after Tibbers stuns you, Annie taunts you for 5 seconds.). You can die shortly after backdooring a key tower. The list goes on.

Well, at least you acknowledge you kinda suck. That said, if you're not 30, okay, fair enough, still learning. My bad.

Cyber - choke on a million dicks.

Note the "they". Pops has over 1000 games played; he wasn't in that game. But scumchat as a whole picked up LoL like, less than two weeks ago.

If that had been made clear to me, I'd have been... less harsh. It's still not a great performance, but I wasn't aware you were (mostly) still getting into the game. Apologies.

That said, Bob and Zito can both still go choke on a million dicks.

[Knight of Cydonia]

Right, I ain't trying to take the moral high ground in any aspect here, it was an ill-informed comment and I retracted it and apologised.
But Cyber and Zito still both being cunts despite that? Not cool.

[Knight of Cydonia]

But Cyber and Zito still both being cunts despite that? Not cool.

poor baby

shut the fuck up

No, y'know what, you shut the fuck up. Your entire existence on this site consists of "look at me I'm so fucking edgy trolling everyone because I have nothing better to do". Fuck off, grow up, and stay fucked off.

[Knight of Cydonia]

http://www.own3d.tv/live/17484/National ... of_Legends

National ESL stream currently going on, Phreak and some dude whose name I forget commentating. OGB just got absolutely destroyed, Peculiar Gaming are 2 for 2 in their group and pretty much guaranteed to go through now.

[Knight of Cydonia]

Euro meta is actually horrifically effective if played right. Tank jungle, AD carry and support bot, your offtank/beefy DPS solo top, and AP carry mid.
I mean, in the time I played on the EU servers, it was rare to see it done well, but it's interesting how the EU meta seems to have evolved to counter the US meta, which is basically composed of "whatever is currently Tier 1 according to Elementz smooshed together with whatever people are currently pubstomping with"

New Alistar looks somewhat less effective as a towerpusher, which is a shame, but it is a buff to his overall game so I can't complain too much.

[Knight of Cydonia]

Ward as you should be anyway, don't overextend, have Banshee's Veil or QSS to remove the blackout. After his Dusk Blades, he relies on lifesteal from his auto to survive, so exhaust him and he goes down like Gabe Newell at the deep end after an all-you-can-eat.

[Knight of Cydonia]

Phantom Dancer on Ashe? Really? Pffft. You must be playing seriously bad people if you're not getting punished for that lack of mitigation and extra health. Swap the PD out for a Banshee's Veil. You don't need the extra crit chance, you should have movespeed quints on Ashe anyway, and Ashe has a natural 1.something AS at 18, and focuses on Volley and that guaranteed first crit you should be getting in every teamfight/your Q giving you a strong slow/poke.

[Knight of Cydonia]

I played Nasus for the first time in a while recently. Boy, does a 100-creep Siphoning Strike with Sheen proc ever hurt. Ended up having to build him fairly tanky (trinity force -> Merc Treads -> Aegis -> Guardian Angel -> Frozen Mallet), and it was just ridiculous. Popped my ult and basically just stood in the middle of teamfights laying down 700 damage Q's everywhere. SUrprised he hasn't had a nerf yet.

[Knight of Cydonia]

I've seen a pure AP Sona (instead of the usual aurawhore with a bit of AP) absolutely shit on enemy carries. Them smartcast heals and nukes...

[Knight of Cydonia]

I've grabbed an old(ish) account off a US friend who doesn't play any more and been playing on the US servers (ping from the UK is around 150) the last few days.
Add me if anyone's on right now - Aegis Tyrannon

[Knight of Cydonia]

I wasn't aware you were already playing the DotA 2 alpha, Otolia. And there have been several very public instances of HoN players moving to LoL (mostly via /v/) and not being able to compete at high ELO. Can we just accept they're different games, and move on?

[Knight of Cydonia]

I just had a game where I got my Q as Nasus with Sheen proc up to 900 damage by 20 minutes. I don't think I've had an easier farm... EVER.
Still lost though, thanks to a leaver and a Ezreal who sat a tower behind whatever one the rest of us were defending, and just ulted after every teamfight. His score at the end of a 50 minute game was 6/0/0, we called him out on being useless, and he replied:

lol look at my kdr and get good kid fuck you uninstall get a life fag

SOLOQUEUEEEEEEEEE

[Knight of Cydonia]

So let me get this straight... all this time, you've been commenting on a game you haven't actually played.

[Knight of Cydonia]

SO, because you went in blind, and picked one of the most boring champs, it was bad and you lost. Congrats.
What did you build on Sona, by the way?

[Knight of Cydonia]

Invest, what, 125 gold in a pink ward for your lane, or 400 gold for Oracle's Elixir. Congrats, as long as you're not being a fucking idiot and overextending your lane, you just hard countered most stealth.

[Knight of Cydonia]

If, by spamming, you mean the tendency of low-level/new players to waste AoE/abilities on creeps, then I point you again, as you noted, to that being down to newbies at your level.
There is a certain leaning of the meta at mid-level play to AoE dominating teamfights (and the use of off-tanks/beefy DPS to negate that), but as you get higher up the ladder, it becomes much less spammy. Some champs, like Zilean, are really just about hitting the 40% CDR ceiling as quickly as possible to allow them to spam a certain skill, but I wouldn't call it a "spamming fest".

[Knight of Cydonia]

Hey. Hey. Hey.
Idea.
Might seem a little crazy.
Maybe...

maaaaybe

... we could just play the game we like, and you can play the game you like, and nobody has to get mad or throw slightly insulting comparisons around.
Mad, I know.

[Knight of Cydonia]

Time dragon and the buffs on your side of the jungle. Time their buffs if you ever steal them. The moment they're up, get them, get back to lane.

[Knight of Cydonia]

Take solo top as Morde. Zone the fuck out of opposition in lane. Wait for jungler to come gank once you're 6. Ult whoever you pick on. Congrats, 10 minute first tower.

[Knight of Cydonia]

Top is easier to escape from ganks in, bottom has dragon proximity. Generally accepted wisdom is that you have solo top, solo mid, tank jungler (Amumu or Rammus for preference) and a support/offtank and caster bottom lane. This way the offtank can leave lane to ward dragon and then intercept enemy jungler trying to take it. Non-hard carry casters generally take a duolane, while hard carries take the solos and hope jungler ganks effectively.

[Knight of Cydonia]

I still utterly despise Riot for making a champ (Leblanc) who can theoretically with Flash have a triple blink, one forward to harass, then two back if need be. It's basically consequence-free harass in solo mid, and it forces you to either change your build to get early MR if you're a hard carry, or deliberately counter pick to get a silence to shut her down, or just sit back and risk losing out on farm in order to not die.

[Knight of Cydonia]

Don't forget that his DoT cast on minions once it hits 5 basically bounces across the whole creep wave, nearly guarantees last hit on them all, and gives him the mana cost and some back.

[Knight of Cydonia]

Started playing Malz yesterday. He's the first champ I've played where I haven't had pre-level 9 issues with Leblink. Is it just me, or does he have literally the easiest farm ever?

[Knight of Cydonia]

Living Artillery now scales with attack damage and ability power at a 0.5 ratio

Reduced the chance of Rupture failing to knock up the target

Hextech Revolver's Spell Vamp component is now Unique

THANK GOD
AD Kogmaw finally useful for more than pokepokepokepoke!
Rupture might actually work in the whole cast area!
Vlad can no longer stack Hextechs and faceroll!

Vayne nerfs seem a little odd to me... it's not so much the movespeed and Silver Bolt base damage, as the % true damage and her ult that needed a knock down a little. As it is, she can still melt pretty much anything if you can keep her covered in a teamfight because loltruedamagenowaytodefend.

[Knight of Cydonia]

She is absolute hell to solo lane against if played well, simply because she can quite easily just take Silver Bolts at level one and poke pretty much anyone out of the lane with 100 damage autos. I agree the mobility thing is going to make it a little easier, but not much. I think she might benefit from a Manamune now actually, to counter the cost increase on Tumble. Constantly raising her mana (and by extension, her AD) just by doing what a decent Vayne does anyway?

[Knight of Cydonia]

Rune Combiner.
SOlution to your issue: create a US account. They don't check, but you can expect an extra 80~ ms on your ping.

[Knight of Cydonia]

This is where I point out that I run a baller 'mumu, Taric and Cho'gath. And wonder why the fuck I haven't played with y'all yet.

[Knight of Cydonia]

Bingo.

[Knight of Cydonia]

Anyone else watching the Season One Final qualifiers? Amusing how Nidalee is instant first ban for any team going up against HotshotGG. A guy I know (imaqtpie) is in there too for RockSteady, had a sweet game as Garen.

[Knight of Cydonia]

Favourite moment so far: 2000+ ELO players in a major qualifier facechecking brush with Janna.

[Knight of Cydonia]

Buttonmen - that guide means you're playing full-tank Cho'gath. That guide means you are

bad

. Cho'gath is a beefy AP champ. You basically build him a little like a Singed - RoA first, into Abyssal Scepter, then Sunfire Cape/Thornmail depending on whether you're just wading into fights and being awkward or dealing with a strong autoattacker like Ashe or Tryn. Nashor's Tooth also works surprisingly well on him, and lets you throw out your CC and silence more often.

-edit- Also Re: the disconnects thing - I love how CLG got facerolled 4v5, then as soon as the tide turned in Game 3, they all "mysteriously" got disconnect issues - and then they changed the rules completely after giving CLG the rematch they needed to save their asses? Yeah, no. Not for the first time, the EU side of LoL was more fun to watch, simply because no Phreak and HotshotGG being dicks. I mean, if you're casting and playing, I can understand missing a kill, but Phreak seemed to have no idea what was going on half the time...

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Functional =/= optimal. One carry builds Madred's Bloodrazor, or Vayne starts taking potshots at him, and that Cho is fucked. That carry could be walking into 600 damage silences and Ruptures, with a Rylai's slow buff. Plus AP increases the damage on his E passive too. If the enemy team is actually focusing Cho first, when he's built like that, they're bad, because they have no reason to be attacking him (no taunt, no significant damage output apart from his ult which is melee range and still not that great without AP)

[Knight of Cydonia]

Who are you rooting for?
CLG
TSM
EG
game.de
fnaticMSI
aAa




what happened to SK gaming tho? and i wanted rock solid to win....

I don't care who wins, as long as CLG lose.

Oh, and I absolutely agree that build should be adjusted for ELO - if you're up against a team who want to focus a 5.5k HP Cho without Bloodrazor's or scaling true damage like Malz' W or Vayne's Silver Bolts, by all means, build that way. Against a decent team, though... not so smart.

[Knight of Cydonia]

No, they're not. They're CLG. Oh, nice edit there.
Note that Cho also had two champs who are supposed to be built tanky in Alistar and Amumu, with actual CC. Most of the teamfight wins in that game were from stacking Cho's Q with CC that actually had a decent effect. Cho on his own as a main tank is trash.

[Knight of Cydonia]

If you're not taking solo top and bullying the fuck out of anyone with your passive, you're not doing Cho right.
Saph Crystal and 2HP
Boots and Catalyst
RoA
FoN
Sunfire Cape/Thornmail
Abyssal/Zhonya's

[Knight of Cydonia]

Except you're not defending your carries because Cho'gath has absolutely no reason to draw auto or burst champs to him until everyone else is mopped up. He's an offtank, not a true tank, stop playing him like one and being amazed when bad players instantly focus you because you're taking up half their screen and they haven't learnt to turn the monkey switch off in the back of their heads that yells "BIG = SCARY, KILL KILL KILL IT". Oh, and please please please continue to ignore the MR and MR debuff from Abyssal that benefits you far more than just stacking health and waiting for a scaling true damage champ to come along and kite you all day, and the health and mana PLUS the Valor's Reward that RoA carries over from the reworked Catalyst.

[Knight of Cydonia]

Oh wow. You're... you're actually advocating playing Cho as an AD offtank. You probably think rushing Warmog's is a good idea too, right?

[Knight of Cydonia]

I'm still not convinced this works against anything other than pretty bad players/highly situationally. They have little to no MR despite the fact our Swain was facerolling them.

[Knight of Cydonia]

I have no idea who Axle Hellfire is, but triple queuing with him and Gurgi and then adding bv310 was good fun.

[Knight of Cydonia]

There used to be a whole build for Gangplank based around stacking gp5 items and then just denying farm all day, but then they made Raise Morale just a boring buff.

[Knight of Cydonia]

I have no idea who Axle Hellfire is, but triple queuing with him and Gurgi and then adding bv310 was good fun.

Wait, when did this game happen? I don't remember playing with you three before.

Hi, I'm KoC and somehow I get "RayFrost" and "bv310" mixed up in my head.
I also play a mean Cho'gath, and a not-so-great jungle 'mumu. Though for that, I kinda blame Rayfrost for not understanding how Annie's stun worked. (And then when he did work it out, it randomly didn't trigger =/)

[Knight of Cydonia]

Yeah, I'm seeing a trend from Riot towards making old heroes less interesting (Annie, Gangplank losing his deny, upcoming Nasus rework - although we don't know what form that'll take yet) and making new heroes increasing outlandish, then patching them back towards balance later. Which I suppose is how they make their money, by getting first-day buys from people who just want to pubstomp with someone no-one has worked out how to counter, but still...

[Knight of Cydonia]

In before Magma Chamber costs 2000 RP.

[Knight of Cydonia]

I remember seeing a video guide called the Dog and Pony Show that was pretty much identical to this, was that you too, Hito?

[Knight of Cydonia]

I just went 6/0/4 and beat Leblanc solo mid as Soraka. I don't know what just happened.

[Knight of Cydonia]

I wouldn't mind a Scummer 1v1 tourney, actually. Just for fun.

[Knight of Cydonia]

Why spend 250 $ on a average game when you could have a better one for only 30$ ? Masochism or plain attraction for everything new and shiny ?

It's almost as high as playing WoW ...

Gosh, it's almost as if he wants to support the devs for making a free game! It's almost as if that's LoL's business model!

Because obviously LoL games are very ganking oriented. That's why every team has a jungler and that the sole concept of roamer is beyond your imagination. LoL would be a great game for chinese DotA team, I wonder when they will enter and completely crush the scene by ricing all game long.

Okay, that's bullshit right there.
a) there are several Chinese/SEA teams, including two at the Season One finale at Dreamhack, and they

far

from dominate the scene.
b) There are champions such as Janna, Alistar and Evelynn who are played as roamers, for several different reasons - Janna can fly around the map, is largely non-creep gold dependent, and can afford to spend more gold on wards and covering solo lanes. Alistar can push hard with his AoE heal, passive and tankiness. Evelynn roaming forces every lane to spend 125 gold on their lane ward instead of 75, and forces at least the tank and usually the off-tank too to buy Oracle's, as well as being an excellent way to initiate and smash down a glass-cannon carry.

Removing the mechanics of denying was a good idea but it wasn't followed with satisfactory results because PvP wasn't encouraged. Even the low (understatement) on skills isn't sufficient to promote a fast pace laning. I have been watching *aAa* stream lately (certainly a top 5 team) and it's all about mind games and less about fighting. You may consider that this is better but eSports are here for entertainment and nothing else. And frankly zoning isn't interesting, kills are.

Right, because watching Chronos or similar heroes farm in a trilane or neutrals for 35 minutes and then 1v5 an entire team for a gg is SO MUCH MORE FUN than a 40 minute game of LoL where Baron will be fought over at least once, several fights will take place at inhibitors towards lategame...

[Knight of Cydonia]

Co-op games vs. the beginner AI are your friend. A custom game with just you and an intermediate bot mid will help you learn how to solo lane without having to worry about ganking or other interference. Like everyone in this thread has said multiple times, get the basic mechanics of last-hitting, zoning and lane control down first, then worry about the big picture stuff like wards, buff and river creep control, etc. Ultimately, though, no substitute for having to carry a team of completely silent retards in your first match.

[Knight of Cydonia]

Like I said, no compensation for having to up your play to carry a retard.

[Knight of Cydonia]

Ban Nidalee and shut down Chauster. Congrats, you just destroyed CLG.
Their shitty picks didn't exactly help them, though... I mean, Mundo? And no main tank?
But seriously, considering a large part of them getting through was down to the "unclear" AFK rules that suddenly got clarified after their progressing, 5th place is a lot more than they deserve. Was impressed by Xan too, considering how weak the SEA scene supposedly is.

[Knight of Cydonia]

Right, that's why CLG got punished for... not running a main tank. And that's why the teams that run a hard tank/meatshield are doing so well. Just look at CLG - when HotshotGG took Cho'gath and basically played him as a meatshield with cc (tl;dr - a tank) they utterly obliterated GamedDE. Elementz ran a tank build on Taric vs. Xan, and they won that. RainMan and Xpecial both ran relatively tanky builds on Jarvan and Alistar against CLG (as opposed to the AP Alistar we've mostly seen this tournament) and CLG, with no real tank or even beefy DPS, and their limited CC clearly not working to great effect (Hotshot went 2/4/1 as Malz, bigfatlp went 1/4/2 as Anivia). In constrast, TheRainMan's tank built Jarvan went 2/2/12 and was a major factor in the win.
You can tell me to "go back to WoW" (which I've never actually played) all you want, but it doesn't change the fact that the teams doing well at Dreamhack are the teams using hard tanks, or building off-tanks as maintanks.

[Knight of Cydonia]

The problem with that "positional-based comp" was that it had absolutely nothing in the way of forcing that position - They had Mundo's mediocre slow on his cleaver, Nunu's ice ball, and Nevermove (which was near useless, see Hotshot's 2/7/0) versus Ashe's stun skillshot, plus her Q and the W that applies it, Jarvan's knock-up and Cataclysm, Anivia's slow and stun, Janna's knockup and slow, and Malz's ult. It was a terrible team-comp, because every time they went to make use of any limited positional advantage, they got screwed over by hard and/or "soft" CC - including that tanky as fuck Jarvan, who was a main reason for that win with that 3-man gank. Game 2, again, little hard CC apart from Annie, and they got screwed over by another hard tank build, this time in Nunu.

[Knight of Cydonia]

Finals score might not reflect whether the composition worked or not, but I'd say the fact they only came in 5th reflects that it failed pretty hard.

[Knight of Cydonia]

Why people fear a Poppy:



note: My Kills, My CS. xD

2 philos are bad, least minion kills in game? You probably had earned the same amount of gold as your tristana
Not doing the maths, just guessing

2 philos is standard on Poppy because she has terrible farming ability, and tends to get harassed out of lane far too easily without them.

[Knight of Cydonia]

Vlad has a major technical issue (his pool) that will never, ever be fixed by numbers nerfs. The only thing that even vaguely resembles a counter to it is Executioner's Calling/Ignite/a VERY strong DoT skill like Malz's E, which are fairly rare in LoL, and even then, thanks to his passive and spellvamp (since most Vlads will have a Hextech Revolver + WotA by lategame) he can still survive a ridiculous amount for a caster.

[Knight of Cydonia]

Ashe has so much utility it's amazing. She might not have the raw damage of Corki, but unlike Corki, she stays viable even without 200CS/massively feeding by 15 minutes, because of her power to kite, the map awareness from her E, and her stun. My favourite memory of LoL comes from rushing to mid as Ashe, yelling in /all "TIME TO PUT THIS TEAM ON MY FUCKING BACK AND CARRY THEM OVER THE LINE" and nailing 4 assist arrows (long bombs from mid to top/bottom lanes) and going 2/0/4 by 12 minutes.

[Knight of Cydonia]

For one night only (because I'm not at my flat with shitty internet) I am going to play a FUCKTON of LoL. I think I have most of you added. If I don't, it's Aegis Tyrannon.
LET THE PENTAKILLS BEGIN

[Knight of Cydonia]

...I... he... what.
Also, I'm so glad that shotty revealed he knows fuck all about LoL.
"I went positive and got 21 assists!"
aka
"I went 10/9/21, by hitting someone with a couple of autos! I didn't win my lane at all or contribute meaningful DPS/burst, BUT I WENT POSITIVE AND MY SCORE IS ALL THAT MATTERS"

[Knight of Cydonia]

Try playing on twisted treeline if that's what you find boring about the game.

Two bot, one top, with quite often a 3v3 level one fight at bot, etc.

I may try more of that.

JD, if you screaming at me in all caps is your tactic of giving advice, you should seriously reconsider how good of a teacher you think you are.

Has it ever occurred to you that maybe if you took the advice and acted on it, it wouldn't be being typed in allcaps repeatedly until it penetrated your skull.

[Knight of Cydonia]

Try playing on twisted treeline if that's what you find boring about the game.

Two bot, one top, with quite often a 3v3 level one fight at bot, etc.

I may try more of that.

JD, if you screaming at me in all caps is your tactic of giving advice, you should seriously reconsider how good of a teacher you think you are.

Has it ever occurred to you that maybe if you took the advice and acted on it, it wouldn't be being typed in allcaps repeatedly until it penetrated your skull.

it was more the fact that i noted that shen requires a lot of map awareness and then midway through he asked what map awareness is

I...
He...
What.

[Knight of Cydonia]

There is literally not one post in the forum that is not improved by Untrod's sig.

[Knight of Cydonia]

They want to reduce AP Alistar's damage, while keeping his tankiness... so they're also nerfing his heal. Again. Uh-huh. Not a huge fan of that ward change being reversed either, and the Rabadon's nerf is in the wrong direction, IMO: nerf the percentage of total AP increase, not the base AP it gives.

[Knight of Cydonia]

Cow needed the AP ratio nerf.

Oh Hi, Imma cow. See me headbutt you around for half your health, and then heal all your counter-harass damage away.

--

I like the ward changes. Jax/Kat have always used them as a form of escape, and having that option encourages map awareness too. The fact that you'll now know when they're using the ward for said move, and for tele, makes it more interesting. Wonder if you can attempt to destroy the ward to cancel the tele?

*except that heal has a 12 second cooldown which means unless you're trying to 1v1 him, you're either going to force him to pop his ult, or burst him down.

TP makes whatever you're porting to invincible, unless it's a tower/inhibitor, IIRC.

[Knight of Cydonia]

STOP LIKING THINGS I DON'T LIIIIIIKE

[Knight of Cydonia]

Or try people who have 1 win in PvP games, who have levelled to 30 on AI games only, then jump straight into Ranked and then call everyone else bad while they go 0/4/0 with Morde solo top.

[Knight of Cydonia]

Bloodrazor on Vayne. Enjoy your true damage every third attack, plus magic % of health damage every hit, plus the fact that bloodrazor gives you Vayne's two most important stats (A. Spd and AD). The few times I've done really well with her has been with Bloodrazor/I. Edge/situational defence item. (Banshee's usually)

[Knight of Cydonia]

Phantom dancer

Before an actual damage item like BT or IE? No. Don't do it man. Don't do it.

[Knight of Cydonia]

is there any method to remind myself to buy wards? i always forget it when i'm at the shop.

I believe there are a couple of programs floating around that allow you to edit your recommended items list that appears in the shop window ingame - editing wards into one space for champs that use them a lot like Taric, Janna, etc would probably help you a lot. Other than that, it just becomes a case of having to force yourself into that mentality of "I have spare gold, I am a support, I should get at least 2 wards every time I base for Baron + Dragon (which also then act as gank warnings). Like most things, it's just practice.

[Knight of Cydonia]

Acquire Daemontools/similar program with Mac compatibility -> find a YARRRR version -> ??? -> profit, surely?

[Knight of Cydonia]

caitlyn is amazing

In my experience, she either wins games at 20-25 minutes, or loses them at 45 when everyone either has decent resists or just plain out-DPS's her.

[Knight of Cydonia]

I have a regular internet connection again now, so... I guess I'm back in. Not that my first game back was great. 4 instalocked AD carries. "tank pls"

[Knight of Cydonia]

Just played my first game with Poppy. Every teamfight was a 1 for 1 trade with me going down in exchange for their Annie. Never been insulted so much in solo queue before.
Love it.

[Knight of Cydonia]

I'm going to actually (shock horror) make an effort at Ranked this season, so if anyone wants a duo-queue partner, I'd probably be up for it.

[Knight of Cydonia]

I just realised I changed my name about 3 months ago and didn't mention it. I'm KidAmn now.

[Knight of Cydonia]

Vokda? Isn't that the national drink of Molvania?

[Knight of Cydonia]

Ignoring that Nasus game which was right in the middle of the lag issues...

Go top as Garen... mkay, not done this in a while...
Swain who was supposed to be laning with me goes afk. Oh boy, Soraka/Vayne duo lane. I'm fucke-FIRST BLOOD
Well, I'm sure they'll shut me down eventually...
25 minutes later, to cries of OMG GAREN OP, we won. Ghost + FoN + Q = something like 580 movespeed. NO ESCAPES.
Highlight of the game was playing pinball with Karma by spinning on top of her inside our Jarvan's ult.

Also why the fuck do solo queue people insist on picking off people in Malz' ult with 3 ticks left and 50HP? I mean, reeeeally? I would have been something like 5/2/7 in that game.

[Knight of Cydonia]

He has a stun, he's naturally beefy, and his range is ridiculously good.
So, 6300IP/975RP, and won't be nerfed for 2 weeks minimum.

[Knight of Cydonia]

Why did I ever stop playing Soraka. Goddamn it, 1/9/1 Riven who doesn't speak a word of English, I'm going to drag you over the finish line 55 minutes later, kicking and screaming if I have to.
Their Malzahar hated me by endgame, every time he tried to ult I just ran in and hit E.

[Knight of Cydonia]

Land snare > place soil thing under snared champ > profit

[Knight of Cydonia]

You can resize the window to make it small enough to see the friends list, you know.

[Knight of Cydonia]

Heart of Gold needs to turn into something that isn't Randuins Omen. Seriously.

They need to add some sort of MR + HP item it can be turned into imo.

That'd make it obligatory-buy on anything...

Almost like Banshee's Veil is good on pretty much anyone just for the one off spell block, health, mana and MR... oh wait, that's why HoG will never build into a HP+MR item - because a far superior one already exists, that builds out of what is for most champions a far superior early game item (Catalyst).

[Knight of Cydonia]

had a run of 3 wins in Ranked. Stopped because I was sure the inevitable team of retards was right around the corner. Was getting teamed with people who had 1300-1350 elo though, so maybe I'm actually breaking out of the retarded chucklefuck-fest that is 1200 elo.

[Knight of Cydonia]

Really? The people I see at 1400-1450 are pretty awful, similar to the people I saw down at 1000 last season.

My first two games of Ranked solo queue this season, I've had an AP Sivir and a jungle Malz "because if Fiddle can do it so can Malz duh". Seeing some competent players now thank god.

[Knight of Cydonia]

easily harassed out by Cait/Kog/Vayne

Sounds like a true story to me.

Don't play much of Kog or Vayne, but I know Cait can harass just about anyone out of a 1v1 lane. Leblanc, anyone with massive early armor maybe...

[Knight of Cydonia]

Ezreal tears Cait a new asshole, that's for sure.

I've had to solo lane an Ezreal twice, twice I slapped his shit. All about making the most of your range, and the fact his main damage output early game is all skillshots that don't go through creeps or are relatively short ranged.

[Knight of Cydonia]

I play on the US servers for precisely that reason. English speaking proportion of playerbase, even if it's just rudimentary "mia" "re" "gank top" "come take blue" stuff, is FAR better on the US server in my experience.

[Knight of Cydonia]

"I'm gonna jungle Lee Sin, okay?"
-cue my own captain banning Lee Sin-
"lolumadbro u mad"
Welcome to Ranked solo queue.

[Knight of Cydonia]

"I'm gonna jungle Lee Sin, okay?"
-cue my own captain banning Lee Sin-
"lolumadbro u mad"
Welcome to Ranked solo queue.

have you considered just finding someone to duo with instead

Because my group of sub-1100 elo or sub-30 friends are all excellent choices for duo queue partners.

[Knight of Cydonia]

I would love to, but I won't have my gaming PC for most of December and January.

[Knight of Cydonia]

I don't think I've even asked to play with you, Brandi, but I know that feel. I have 2 or 3 people who are terrible, but friends of mine, and act like I'm obliged to play with them (and in one of their cases, carry them "to fix my elo, I don't deserve to be here bro"). Shit sucks.

[Knight of Cydonia]

Supports CSing bottom lane at the very start of the game to get a very quick back for P.stone / ward and then returning to the no CS style.

Worth it?

Been doing this for a while in solo queue as Taric and Sona, personally I feel it's much better than the 0CS style just in terms of lane survivability. I think it's very much a personal preference thing though, and entirely dependent on whether or not you can get that early first blood.

[Knight of Cydonia]

Teleport is a must on pretty much any solo top IMO. The amount of extra farming time it gives you, plus the fact it saves you from either having to overpush your lane or have the jungler cover, makes it invaluable. And of course, it's a hard counter to any kind of splitpushing champ like Sivir/facilitates split pushing on someone like Nasus who can walk up to a tower, Q it, repeat 6 times, dead tower.

[Knight of Cydonia]

Madreds Bloodrazor, Zerk Greaves, Malady, Wit's End, Phantom Dancer, Sword of the Divine. All that onhit.

[Knight of Cydonia]

Sure is fun going from a 7-1 record this season in ranked to 7-7 because of trolls or feeders. Just come out of a game with a Rammus who refused to gank until I was below 30% HP and out of mana "because that's when you need it" and stood in a bush in his powerball until I was dived before taking the double kill for himself.

[Knight of Cydonia]

Yeah, I'm done with ranked until I find a regular duo partner. gone from 1458 to 1150 thanks to people with no idea about team comp ("we have every role but a support and I'm last pick... fuck you all, I'm gonna pick another AP carry!") to people who have no idea how to build champs (atmog's teemo, pure AP Alistar who spammed Q and W on minions (using headbutt to last hit) in lane, Archangels + tank items Swain) to people who are just flat out BAD (1/7/1 Wukong solo top at 13 minutes). The matchmaking is utterly terrible, at 7-1 (my peak) it put me (1458) with 2 1200s, an unranked, and a 1050 against a team of 1400s.

[Knight of Cydonia]

So what are we doing about Ranked pre-arranged?

CAN I BE ON YOUR TEAM

[Knight of Cydonia]

Online now.

-edit- "One more solo queue can't hurt, he said."
Done. So done. AP Lee Sin jungle. In ranked. His excuse? "It worked against bots".
He had TWO WINS IN REAL GAMES. BOT GAMES ALL THE WAY TO 30.

[Knight of Cydonia]

Leblanc lategame becomes a punisher assassin rather than a great teamfighter or someone who can dip in, nuke and then dip out. She drops her W (if needed) -> E Q R combo on a squishy the moment they get out of position and either kills them or puts them out of the fight. She gets progressively less useful late-game the higher in skill level you go, as these positional mistakes become less and less common, because the fact her combo requires landing and staying with your E means she's very much the opposite of, say, Kass, who can just drop in, blow his nukes and drop out again. Leblanc's W recall is usually expired by the time your combo is done, which is annoying but necessary to balance her early game.

[Knight of Cydonia]

Summoner Showcase is never worth watching.

[Knight of Cydonia]

I think champions being better developed leads to a more enjoyable experience. I think there are bad champions in each, but I have more to identify with a unique champion with a backstory and well-designed kit to match their lore/personality AND better artwork... rather than Dota where it's like "this motherfucker is a storm spirit so that's his name"

Except Dota champions also have a backstory.

[Knight of Cydonia]

I disagree with the idea of a developer trying to actively change the meta of a game in any way other than buffing/nerfing objectively under/overpowered aspects as needed, and the fact that Riot are actively trying to drive people off the 0cs support role, and the fact that despite their best efforts it isn't working at all, makes me really wonder about LoL as an E-sport going forward. That is all.

[Knight of Cydonia]

I'm waiting for the day where people stop banning shaco and actually outplay him. I'm sure it will come.

But not over-extending and buying wards for more than bot lane is HAAAAAAAARD

[Knight of Cydonia]

So, Hexdrinker + Maw of Malmortius... you think it'll affect the standard AD carry builds? With the BT nerf/remake, too, it seems AD carries will have a harder time choosing what to build rather than just "get a PD/IE/BT every time".

Swordboots, PD, Maw, Infinity Edge, and BT on Tryndamere. (+whatever you need situationally I guess)
Enjoy being even more unkillable than usual.

[Knight of Cydonia]

Blitz with Ashe becomes an instagib lane if he lands his pull from level 4 onwards because of Ashe's inbuilt slow and her ability to auto-Volley-auto in quick succession while Blitz does his knockup on top of the grab.

[Knight of Cydonia]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3E2NcQ0U9Og


um.


yeah.


also you should watch the finals.

That game was absolutely insane. Best Dota2 game I've seen yet in terms of sheer WHAT THE FUCK.

[Knight of Cydonia]

I haven't seen that yet no, been busy catching up with... pretty much everything I watch TV-wise. It's been that kind of semester.

[Knight of Cydonia]

I don't simply because Nikasaur seriously is one of the most annoying people to

listen to

exist in the same universe as

[Knight of Cydonia]

Why would you ever play a gamemode where you could possibly face a mirror match.

[Knight of Cydonia]

so much LuLu QQ in Riot forums.
~_~
What's so wrong about "supports" being played unconventionally as damage dealers?

Here is a brief guide to how the average poster on Riot forums goes about posting;

Step 1: Lose to something.
Step 2: QQ on Riot Forums.
Step 3: ??????
Step 4: Make creepy comments about female rioters or champions.
Step 5: Rage about the tribunal.
Step 6: Go solo Q and demand solo mid.

And Riot's side of the guide:

Step 1: See 600 ELO players whining about something.
Step 2: See one or two pros whining about it.
Step 3: Introduce minor nerf.
Step 4: If Champ=Support and/or ProWhining=Hotshot, Elementz, introduce massive nerfs that cut the viability of champ in half.
Step 5: Make another champ that just builds the Metagolem.
Step 6: Make more skins, pretend Magma Chamber never existed.

[Knight of Cydonia]

That champion XP gain tweak is going to have to be absolutely perfect, or games are just going to become even more passive and boring than before as the leading team refuses to do anything until they're so far ahead nothing short of an ace is going to turn the game around significantly.

[Knight of Cydonia]

/in depending on when the tourney is, would be down to cast as well.

[Knight of Cydonia]

So who's interested in co-casting this shit with me?

/in

[Knight of Cydonia]

I just finished 10 vlad games. I had the desperate urge to talk about it, so I thought I'd let it all out.

It was a draining exercise, and to start with I was having difficulty, but I felt like as I played more games I made trickling progress. It was good to have other scummers playing with me, we pooled our efforts and managed to win 5 of the 10 games I played. I died a lot, 61 times in total, and the enemy laner kept getting absurd advantages like level 1 blue buff on me, which made me absolutely livid. But I got over it, and by the end I was expecting it, which allowed be to be a little more sanguine about things. I even carried a few games (which must have left the opposition crimson!)

All in all, I had a bloody good time.

ithurtsithurtsithurtsithurtsithurtsithurtsithurtsithurtsithurtsithurtsithurtsithurtsithurtsithurtsithurtsithurtsithurtsithurtsithurts

[Knight of Cydonia]

It's enough to drive a man to drink is what it is.

[Knight of Cydonia]

If any inhouses are going to happen tonight, I'd like to be involved in the casting or at least playing so I can get a better feel for people before the tournament (if it happens)

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Enemy teams first two picks are Cait and Sona. So of course, Ezreal/Volibear is the bot lane we really need.
I fucking hate ranked so much. Doesn't matter how I play any more, because the period of 6-7 games where I had nothing but leavers/AFK has put me into a position where the matchmaking leaves me with idiots.

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Shotgun casting/co-casting

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I sure love sitting online waiting for the inhouse
and then seeing everyone go to Team Select on my friends list
Feeling the love guys

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I sure love sitting online waiting for the inhouse
and then seeing everyone go to Team Select on my friends list
Feeling the love guys

I didn't have you on my buddylist. BLAME YOURSELF FOR NOT ADDING ME!

NOBODY EVER UPDATES THE OP ANY MORE
IT STILL HAS MY OLD NAME FROM MORE THAN A YEAR AGO GAHDAMMIT

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http://www.livestream.com/covertbroops Casting the second inhouse with Neruz!

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GUESS WHICH IDIOT SAVED THE VOD TO HIS HARD DRIVE INSTEAD OF PUTTING IT ON LIVESTREAM
WILL BE UP AFTER THIS THIRD GAME AT SOME POINT

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I'M ASHE
I'M... HELPING

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http://www.mediafire.com/?nzx220oy8wohmp7 <- The inhouse myself and Neruz casted, Youtube won't accept a video this long from me. Hrmph.

A brief summary of thoughts:
- I need to remember how much Procaster hates dual monitors.
- That hard random Anivia was surprisingly stable in lane against Morg, I imagine a JD who was prepared for that lane might have done better. Anivia probably loses it until 6 and Tear, but then it becomes AoE farming time for both sides.
- AD Kayle is bad and Pie should feel bad. Also questionable was the decision not to put any points into heal, in a lane where you were getting beaten back a lot and could only really fight whenever you had Ignite up.
- Bot lane was typically passive and probably the only lane purple team were level on, I personally disagree with Ank on Soraka and this is why - that Janna/Cait lane could have been a lot more aggressive if someone like Sona was there.
- KENNEN 2 STRONK (especially when given first blood and with no real pressure on the lane from the jungler).
- Considering the major sources of damage in teamfights for blue were Kennen and Morg, the defensive items that were bought for purple seemed more than a little out of whack.

That game was painful to watch just because it seemed to be pretty much over at 3:00 due to a combination of the Kayle pick, the first blood on Kennen and the stolen blue. The fact it was dragged out to 35 odd minutes at all is a testament to the continued inability of some of us to really kill off games when we should.

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Games where one team are all playing their strongest roles and the other team are trying new stuff are not fun.

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The only issues I see Morg having are the aforementioned ease for Veigar to farm up with his Q, and the fact that she'll usually be building a lot of AP and health (in the form of her RoA) which makes both his ult and Deathfire Grasp, which most Veigars buy, more powerful.

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Anyone who isn't online right now, inhouse es happening but requires 2 more.

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Lich Bane Malzahar
All dem 450 damage autos
all this damage
beating Veigar and Kennen

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http://www.livestream.com/covertbroops Casting another inhouse!

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Singed needs a "CHASE ME, CHASE ME, CHASE ME" taunt.

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There are few better feels than dominating a lane so hard that your opponent leaves.
Especially when you do it by winning a level 1 fight as GP against Rumble
And then a level 2 fight
And then a level 3 fight

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There are few better feels than dominating a lane so hard that your opponent leaves.
Especially when you do it by winning a level 1 fight as GP against Rumble
And then a level 2 fight
And then a level 3 fight

Followed by doing the same to Renekton
This flat ArPen/AD page is the tits

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People are still surprised that Riot release broken champs, wait for them to sell like hotcakes, then nerf them into the ground?

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I am sick of people deciding that if a game is going to go longer than 35 minutes they will stop trying. Especially when it happens in ranked games when if we grinded it out we might actually win after an hour. Honestly, you play ranked to play to win, not as a muck around leave it when I get bored.

The number of times my team has said words to the effect of "it's just a game, stop tryharding" or "stop telling us what to do, it's just a game I'll do what I want" in ranked boggles the mind. I honestly think that's the worst part of ELO hell - not the skill level of the people in it, but the "lol I don't care about my ELO" or "omg I'm going to play how I want fuck the team" attitude. I made a point of looking through my match history recently and if Riot ever actually had the sense to not apply ELO losses (with, say, half the ELO gain for the winning team, so their time wasn't entirely wasted) for ranked games where someone never connected/AFK'd/ragequit, my record would be 19/10 in Ranked. Instead it's 22/26.

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And make sure you also uninstall Pando Media Booster and update anything Adobe-related.

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I am sick of people deciding that if a game is going to go longer than 35 minutes they will stop trying. Especially when it happens in ranked games when if we grinded it out we might actually win after an hour. Honestly, you play ranked to play to win, not as a muck around leave it when I get bored.

The number of times my team has said words to the effect of "it's just a game, stop tryharding" or "stop telling us what to do, it's just a game I'll do what I want" in ranked boggles the mind. I honestly think that's the worst part of ELO hell - not the skill level of the people in it, but the "lol I don't care about my ELO" or "omg I'm going to play how I want fuck the team" attitude. I made a point of looking through my match history recently and if Riot ever actually had the sense to not apply ELO losses (with, say, half the ELO gain for the winning team, so their time wasn't entirely wasted) for ranked games where someone never connected/AFK'd/ragequit, my record would be 19/10 in Ranked. Instead it's 22/26.

No, It would be (Number of games won)/0, because you would be able to dodge loses. And soon as the enemy team started to snowball at least one person on the losing team would just quit and dodge the lose. ELO would mean nothing and the boards would be stacked with complaints of how X person is terrible and dodges all their loses. Any game I have ever seen in which you could dodge a lose by turning fo your system/DCing/ect, has had to be patched because people abuse it.

DotA2. There's the fancy mechanic that you take an increased ELO loss if you leave the game, whether prematurely or not, and if you leave in the first 15 (I think?) minutes, your team takes no ELO penalty. The winning team always gets ELO.
I haven't seen this abused by leaving or even by attempting to force an ally to leave early, but that might be because the rating is invisible and this mechanic (like mostly anything in DotA2) is not announced anywhere on the game client.

^This is exactly what I meant to refer to. Despite the fact that my W/L ratio is essentially 1:1 in Dota 2, I still occasionally get matched with players like Synderen because a good chunk of those "losses" don't count because of people leaving before the 15 minute mark or never bothering to turn up at all.
When you say "any game in which you could dodge a lose by DCing/turning off your system" I instantly think of my experience with Street Fighter 4 or FIFA's online, where people routinely stamp on their ethernet cable/pull the cable on the PS3 to avoid a loss. This is a different genre entirely, and as has been mentioned, there are already working systems that subvert this kind of thing out there. I'd like to think that if Valve can put a functional anti-dodge system in Dota 2, Riot can at least copy it.

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Scarra is also genuinely interesting to watch, gives commentary whenever he can, doesn't give a shit if you use Adblock,

and

isn't an asshole.

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Why are you picking GP when we need a support they said
Report KidAmn they said
holy shit GP is 5/3/19 we're so sorry they said

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Ok, Strategy/Building question which will actually help more people than me I believe.

I'm Riven. Other Team is GP, Morde, Amumu, Leona, Graves. I'm top against GP. Do you build Merc Treads because of their CC or do you build Tabi because of GP? I chose Treads and got raged at cause I died after Galio and mundo had already died to GP.

Like DRK said, just get a Chain Vest if you need armor on top of the Mercs. You'll usually build it into an Atma's or a Thornmail or something later on.

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I've switched back to the EU server for the foreseeable future and have been having incredible amounts of fun on my new EU account by rolling over people with AP Nunu.
Incidentally, this means I have a US account with a lot of shit on it that I'm probably no longer going to use, if anyone would be interested.

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Force of Nature
Passive Health Regeneration increased from 0.35% of your maxmium Health every 5 seconds, to 1.75% of your maxmium Health every 5 seconds.

HOOO BOOOOY.
I like the Morello's changes and the rework of Yi's Q to give him at least one guaranteed proc of the magic damage.
Soraka getting another aspect of her play (Starcall magic shred) stomped into the ground. We get it, Riot. You don't like supports that don't turn the lane into a killfest.
Lulu nerfs were probably needed, haven't seen her played enough to comment.
Annie buffs are glorious and I love everything about it. Molten Shield's reduced duration is a little iffy, but the lower cost and CD will make it a lot easier to drop in teamfights or to hold off poke comps.
Shen's ultimate range isn't the problem with Shen right now, it's his incredibly strong scaling off virtually no damage items at all.

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I'd be up for some Dota 2 at some point.

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Nothing like being 55 cs and a kill ahead of Shen as Cho'gath. RoA/Wit's End/Ionic Spark/Aegis put me at 4.5k health with full Feast stacks and still doing ridiculous damage/generally being annoying in fights. Was going to add a Frozen Mallet but they gg'd.

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That sounds like when I play Zeus with Thunderstruck on repeat.

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If I ever meet the Leshrac who used his Q especially to deny me an ultrakill as Anti Mage again, I'm going to shove my glaives up his luminescent furry arse.

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Come to the conclusion I should never play anything but Cho'gath again. Bless his cotton socks, Mundo tried.

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you seem like a pretty big dick in that postgame chat

They were a 4 man premade who despite me having first pick, insisted I had to play support because "we're clearly better because we're premade", and when I picked Cho they told me to "go fuckin afk fuckin noob well win without you and report you and fuck ur mom".

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Client crashed at start up, crashed again in the first big teamfight, and again at 30 minutes. Everything else works fine, installation has been repaired several times. Almost at the point where I don't want to put up with Riot's shitty coding at all.

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Literally never had a problem with my client in 2 years of playing. It's probably either your connection or the computer itself.

You're right, the computer that manages 30 games of SC2 a day on maxed out settings with a 80ms ping on the NA servers can't deal with LoL. Silly me.

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I can see why they'd be sceptical of it though, since most of the strong top-laners buy Merc Treads at the very least, and a fair few also get Wit's End which would leave them laughing at you in lane.

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^Plus most decent Annie builds go RoA first since she tends to have to get a little close for comfort for her big combo. Also that MR/Armor steroid is pretty much permanently up once you max it out with a little CDR IIRC.

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I just checked, at at the 40% CDR cap your cooldown for her E is 9.6 seconds, so assuming absolutely perfect timing on her E, it should only be down for 1.6 seconds between casts. In other words, there's no real reason to go into a fight as Annie lategame without a 50MR/Armor steroid that does decent magic damage to anyone trying to right-click you down.

Edit: and of course, it doesn't count as an offensive spell, so you can keep recasting it without losing your Pyromania stun.

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Don't fuck with 'raka, bitch.

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And then queues became 20x longer as hardly anyone wants to support, and 90% of people queue as SOLO MID OR I FEED

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I'm gonna play some on the US server at 8pm~ BST, if anyone else is gonna be on around then.

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60 Stacks Alistar, ably assisted by "WAAAH I WANTED TO PLAY SORAKA" Kennen.

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Are you really boasting about playing against a guy who was deliberately feeding?

No, I just found it funny. But thank you all for doing your best to suck the joy out of things.

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Lost my first game of the day due to a Russian who went 4/10 as Ashe (with swiftness boots, incidentally), and only managed to find his (broken) English to say that he was going to "reprot u rucism" because we asked the other team to report him for not communicating.
Next game, he was opposite me as Ashe again. I was playing Graves for the first time. My score at end of game: 9/4/12. His score: 1/8/1.
He then spent the next 20 minutes telling me to "1v1 go custom or you noob little girl are you noob you are noob".
It was almost poetic.

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Are you really boasting about playing against a guy who doesn't speak English?

Relating an anecdote =/= boasting.

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Nobody ever plays with me.

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*picture*

Xin Zhao is too much man for riot's graphing system to handle.

Spoiler:

Now I really wish that I knew how to swim

Spoiler:

Boy was I a fool at school for cutting gym

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4 Brazilians whose only words of English all game were "we ken ase bot u go top k".
I think I broke my back.

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You have somehow put it in 3D mode.

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It... it's like they're not even TRYING to avoid ripping off Dota heroes any more.

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Build your rune page to let you soak up early harass and since your melee champ is probably top or jungle, you should aim to get early regen and defensive itemisation on most (but not all) melee champs. Rush up a Philo and a HoG with your boots 1, go into lane with boots and 3HP or Regen and 1HP.

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Then maybe consider champs who have innate tools to help them last hit. Nasus' Q, for instance, can be triggered right after a standard auto-attack to "double up"; Cho'gath can take a level in Vorpal Spikes to boost his rightclicking (which, incidentally, syncs up nicely with on-hit items like Wit's End and Ionic Spark). And both these champs also have built in regen, which will help a lot. Pick up Tier 1 runes for now and start saving towards generic T3 rune sets that work for lots of champs.

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Pick up Tier 1 runes for now

no no no <.<

if he's level 18, he's only got 2 levels to go till he can buy tier 3 runes. don't waste the ip. XD

And for the love of God please don't buy Tier 1/2 runes ever. >_>

T1 runes are good cheap intermediaries until he banks the IP for T3, although I agree that Tier 2 aren't worth it. It's better to have, say, 2 pages of T1 runes and swap in T3 as you can afford them, than to just have no runes whatsoever while waiting for all that IP.