Nintendo Mafia (Game Over)

[esuriospiritus]

I don't know who the crap half you people are.

VOTE: Master Hand

HI ANDRIUS

[esuriospiritus]

That was only the seventh vote. No way that's a lynch.

Still.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: DTMaster

HAI THAR. EXPLAIN THYSELF.

[esuriospiritus]

HAMMOCK-TIME!
YO.

Relevant: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCyowQs8dEA

I wonder if anyone else is nerdy enough to understand what the frell I'm on about. <_<;

PEDIT: ZOMG NINJAS

[esuriospiritus]

meh, obvious gambit is obvious. If serious DTMaster needs to get vigged or lynched D2 for being either a.) scum or b.) horribly, horribly anti-town to the point of being a potential liability.

But if not serious, hey, it gives us something to talk about and gets us out of RVS.

[esuriospiritus]

<3

[esuriospiritus]

AHA!

UNVOTE:

I'm not really sure where I want to put this vote yet, but it sure as hell doesn't belong on DT.

[esuriospiritus]

Lelouch is saying a hell of a lot without actually saying much of anything at all. Anti-town at best (especially in a large game), scummy at worst. Time to put some pressure on him to find out which. >:)

VOTE: Lelouch

Also on my current suspect list: Espeonage for quietly sheeping on the Darla vote, Ashblade for making another terribly justified vote shortly thereafter, and ... Lelouch again for attacking Ashblade for it but not saying a word about Espeonage when the posts are literally only 6 posts apart. YAY.

[esuriospiritus]

I'm going to watch the Lelouchtown wagon rise and then pick scum off of it. He's not scum, his way of going about business is just out of the ordinary.

I vehemently disagree with your read on Lelouch. Please elaborate your reasoning.

[esuriospiritus]

@Mb and Dana: Why are you still RVSing? Shit's happened. Though I could give a fuck about the votes on me.

It is never too late to get more reactions. Yours was satisfactory.

unvote

Lelouch seems like an easy wagon for scum to join.

!!! LELOUCH SCUMBUDDY DETECTED !!!

"I WASN'T DOING ANYTHING USEFUL BECAUSE I WANTED TO GET REACTIONS FROM PEOPLE REGARDING MY LACK OF USEFULNESS." - Riiiight.

Lelouch seems like an easy wagon for scum to say looks like an easy wagon for scum to join despite the fact that he's classic newbscum attacking anyone for anything for hardly any reasons at all/posting lots of fluff in an attempt to look useful when it is, in fact, not (see role name post/"I COMMAND ALL SCUM TO COMMIT SUICIDE" post).

The "rolefishing" is not at all my primary reason for voting him.

[esuriospiritus]

"I WASN'T DOING ANYTHING USEFUL BECAUSE I WANTED TO GET REACTIONS FROM PEOPLE REGARDING MY LACK OF USEFULNESS." - Riiiight.

That isn't at all what I said. I was getting a reaction from my vote on ODM... and obviously it was useful if I know have a slight town read on that slot.

Lelouch seems like an easy wagon for scum to say looks like an easy wagon for scum to join despite the fact that he's classic newbscum attacking anyone for anything for hardly any reasons at all/posting lots of fluff in an attempt to look useful when it is, in fact, not (see role name post/"I COMMAND ALL SCUM TO COMMIT SUICIDE" post).

I think that any of those "classic newbscum" tells could just as easily be newbtown tells.

Why aren't you attacking ODM for posting

the exact same thing

that I did?

I was attacking you mostly for responding to the "Why are you still RVSing" question with "reactions lol". ODM never did that. o_O

If you're referring to the latter part, your resistance to voting Lelouch comes across as scummy whereas ODM's does not. -He- at least seems to be scumhunting, whereas you do not thusfar.

Lelouch, mind posting that again in English? I'd like to try to further my read on you one way or the other but I can't do that if I can't even understand what you're saying. D:

[esuriospiritus]

Meh, people are overblowing the case on mb53 imo, which waaaaaay lessens my confidence in my suspicions on him. I think the "why didn't you say anything about

him

doing what I did" was a legitimate question that deserved a legitimate answer (since I don't think he understood what I was attacking him most for, and to be fair I don't think I was very clear about it in my initial post against him). I also think he's handled the sudden extra votes on him in the way I'd expect a townie to - analyzing the votes on his own wagon, calling out flimsy cases.

PatB's case just looks like he was skimming, or looking at posts out-of-context or something. (Again, I think the "why didn't you say anything about him doing that" was a legit question given hindsight and context, assuming he thought I was putting emphasis on his non-suspicion of Lelouch when in fact I was putting emphasis on his "RVSing for the reactions" thing). Dekes didn't even

give

a reason (and can't even claim to be doing anything other than sheeping on PatB's case, since he thinks Lelouch is town and I'm "a good vote").

The only thing that still stands against him in my mind is the "I was still RVSing for the reactions" bit. Which is still obv bad since it was my reason for calling him out like I did in the first place, but definitely not bad enough for me to switch my vote especially given my read on the people who've jumped on him since calling him out.

Meanwhile, Lelouch is still scum and I am

not

moving my vote from him under any circumstances. I'm planning on revealing why, exactly, sometime in the next day or two... but in the meantime, know I am 95% sure of my vote which isn't generally the kind of thing I say lightly.

[esuriospiritus]

k.

You're still scum though, sorry.

[esuriospiritus]

Cute. Did your buddies tell you to say that or did you come up with that all on your own?

[esuriospiritus]

Nice OMGUS. Makes you look

soooo

much more townie. Yup.

So aren't you the least bit curious how I caught you for certain? I mean, it's your own blatant mistake, I would think you'd want to know so you aren't

quite

so obvious in the future.

Or you can just keep voting me for no reason other than OMGUS and hope everyone keeps giving you a free pass because you're a newb. Cuz that'll end well.

[esuriospiritus]

dana's in this game? O_o

But yeah, what GW/mb53 said.

I'd pin dana as a possible Lelouch scumbuddy getting nervous and bussing, but if he didn't see my 95% comment then he probably didn't see me OBV-SOFTCLAIMING catching a pretty bad gaffe on lelouch's part that makes him obvious scum since that was in the exact same sentence IIRC (can't be arsed to go back and doublecheck though).

But he could still be a lelouch buddy who was just paying enough attention to see he needed to bus, and not enough attention for anything more than a totally crap reason for voting him... HMMMMMMMMMMM.

I'll sleep on this. Feel free to wagon but don't hammer lelouch while I'm gone... I want to see him respond to what I caught him with before all this is over, just to make sure I'm right. (Cuz there's still that 5% chance and all.)

[esuriospiritus]

I can't be the only one who saw it.

Unvote; Vote: eusorio

May have to re-evaluate my mb-read. I don't think so many scum would jump on the easy wagon at once.

But dana, seriously? Coming into thread, picking some random ass fact, that's neither inherently scummy nor done by Lelouch exclusively and you jump on the easy VI wagon without anything else to add? Ping.

Keeping an eye on lurker presence, but nothing of note so far.

You're not doing anything to improve my read on you, y'know.

Dekes didn't even give a reason (and can't even claim to be doing anything other than sheeping on PatB's case, since he thinks Lelouch is town and I'm "a good vote").

Are you going to respond to why you placed a shitty vote on mb53, or are you just going to continue placing shitty votes on people for no reason?

Lelouch is still scum~

[esuriospiritus]

Am I really the only one who actually

reads

rulesets anymore? Jesus.

Rule 17, people.

[esuriospiritus]

PS: Lewarcher, I'm curious as to why you didn't say anything about that the first few times you posted after I said the thing about Lelouch's buddies.

[esuriospiritus]

Ah. Hmm. Well, I guess I know what his shitty vote on me is for now. XD

Coincidentally, I didn't read the whole ruleset right away either... I read it about the time I caught Lelouch's gaffe that I keep referring to and still haven't revealed. (I shall do so in a bit, since evidently me referring to it constantly hasn't made any nervous scum bus him terribly like I was hoping, except for maybe dana.)

@Mod:

Dekes is listed as voting three different people, as is Pinky and the Brain. I'm pretty sure danakillsu is currently voting Lelouch. You should probably start an entirely new vote count from scratch -- that one looks pretty frakked up.

[esuriospiritus]

Ugh, my draft for this post is mysteriously gone. ;_;

Anyway,

here is what I've been going on and on about the last couple of days:

In addition to everything I and others have pointed out about Lelouch's play that is scummy, he's also committed a pretty big gaffe, and I'm honestly surprised I'm the only one who caught it.

Take a look at this thread, in which Lelouch mentions 'a better way of doing quicktopics'. Note the time the thread was posted -- it was in between when JMJ said he was sending out roles and the time he said the game was starting. As far as I can tell from reading his "search all user's posts" thing he started no other games around this time. I assume most of you are smart enough to put two-and-two together from this point.

When I discovered this was, as I mentioned, when I read the rules in full, to see if there was any rule against using this as part of my case against him. As long as I don't talk about ongoing games (I'll let you research for yourself whether it's plausible or not that he was referring to any other ongoing games here, but hint: it's not) there's nothing in the rules against making a case based on something outside of the game.

If this happened coming from a smarter poster, I'd probably give that person the benefit of the doubt. But I totally wouldn't put it past Lelouch to get a scum PM, realize we use QT at this site, and immediately wander over to "site ideas" to tell everyone about how 'other site x' does talking-to-your-buddies better than we do without thinking about the ramifications of making his post when he made it.

Feel free to lynch/bus/distance from obvious scum now.

[esuriospiritus]

It has occurred to me that I should probably copy the original post from the thread I linked in post 166, just in case it gets

mysteriously deleted

before everyone's had a chance to look at it.

Instead of having to make a slightly awkward PM system steal the one the Ikariam Boards use because they are simpler to use and better in EVERY aspect basically makes Quick Topic SHIT compared to it and makes sharing a Conversation between more than one person easier aka include Joint PMs so like you can PM 1 2 3 and 4 and if any of them respond they all see it and so on so we can all talk and all see responses.

I'm going to try to re-read the thread and post more thoughts tomorrow if I don't get swamped with busyness. Gnite.

[esuriospiritus]

Contrary to what Lelouch says, I will actually suspect MB53

more

if Lelouch somehow flips town than if he flips scum. Flying in the face of irrefutable evidence like that just doesn't seem like something a scumbag would risk doing when they know Lelouch is gonna flip scum, while on the other hand if MB53 is scum and Lelouch is town it gives MB53 easy town points to have looked past the evidence.

I certainly wouldn't consider it lynchworthy on its own, but it would definitely make me want to take a much closer look at him.

Crazypianist made a really good catch about Lelouch's lie about the timing of his role PM. I, for one, got mine pretty soon after he initially mentioned he was sending out/writing role PMs.

I still have yet to give the thread a general re-read. That'll happen soonishly.

[esuriospiritus]

PS: Tragedy, could you link us your most recent town game and scum game (if you have one)? Thanks.

[esuriospiritus]

@Espeonage (and others calling 'Lulu' town):

He made a post about quicktopics right around during pre-game, and

then

he (in all probability) lied about receiving his role PM "10 minutes before the game started" and pulled a bunch of AtE/raging in order to try to get out of being incriminated, and you're calling him town? Since when does blatantly lying/AtE make someone town?

Not to mention, his 'scumhunting' is more like going along with what other people are saying. In his iso 26 he calls Tragedy "maybe a doc" and says he has a town read on him, but then in iso 33 he says "I would really like to jump on Tragedy", which to my VI-translator reads as "I think Tragedy is scum". What changed to make him have such a drastic change of opinion? In short, Tragedy started gaining a lot of negative attention right around the time Lelouch suddenly got a whole lot of votes on him. Him changing his stance on Tragedy is obviously a scummy attempt to save himself, nothing more.

In other news, I've been doing some iso-reading of other players but I'm keeping my thoughts to myself until I'm done looking at everyone.

[esuriospiritus]

@PatB:

Here's the original quote for reference again:

Instead of having to make a slightly awkward PM system steal the one the Ikariam Boards use because they are simpler to use and better in EVERY aspect basically makes Quick Topic SHIT compared to it and makes sharing a Conversation between more than one person easier aka include Joint PMs so like you can PM 1 2 3 and 4 and if any of them respond they all see it and so on so we can all talk and all see responses.

I can kind of see where you got "mainly talking about PMs", but as far as I can tell, he's saying, "This other board has a group PM system that works better than QuickTopic, here's how it would work and why we should use it." He specifically compared it to QT, which makes he think he was more talking about scum QTs and not a more innocent "oh, I just want to be able to have a private conversation with my MS buddies x, y, z, and q."

[esuriospiritus]

Let me be very short, sweet, and to the point.

I'm not going to be doing anything but prod-dodging until the insults and asshattery comes to a full and complete stop. I have

no desire

to read and try to get reads through all the hate-spewing, but I'd really rather not replace out over something that's (hopefully) going to stop once Lelouch is gone.

This is mostly directed at Lelouch, but Andrius, you need to tone it down, too. Cut it out.

[esuriospiritus]

XFD, Pokemon reference.

I'd like to point out Lelouch's persistent rolefishing again. He asks me if I'm going to nightkill him -- really bad move considering in any large game there is almost certainly a vig. There's the WIFOM about two scumteams, which I have less of a problem with since it's scum-role-fishing, but it really just seems like he's trying to cause as much WIFOM as humanly possible before he inevitably bites the dust.

CSL's slot is also probably scum. IIRC he didn't even fucking

do

anything in between RVS and replacing out, so using Lelouch as an excuse rings hollow.

[esuriospiritus]

Are you going to give a reason, or are you just going to baldy defend your scumbuddy?

[esuriospiritus]

Oh jeez. I feel sorry for you, Jakalope, replacing into a slot like that.

@Mod:

Will deadline be extended? Are there still going to be replacements for CSL/ODM and/or TMH?

[esuriospiritus]

@DTMaster: As someone who has previously been in a position where my scumbuddy was dead awful and I had to try to act extra towny, I empathize with your position. But spamming the thread with NOISE NOISE NOISE NOISE NOISE NOISE that vaguely resembles giving reads on people to cause confusion at the last minute is pretty transparently obvscummy.

Dekes is SUPER, SUPER OBVIOUS town and if you were actually reading the game and not skimming it like a scummy McScumbag you'd know exactly why. Get your vote the fuck off of him right the fuck now.

TMH (Andrius head <3) claims that Lelouch claimed scum in his post that got deleted. Andrius is a smart fellow, and I assume he knows that if he's lying about Lelouch claiming scum he's probably going to get vigged or lynched for it. A 1:1 town-for-scum trade is a bad deal for a scumbag, so I assume that regardless of TMH's alignment (which I'm really not sure about atm, but that's besides the point) he is telling the truth about what was said.

Scumteam is Jakalope/Espeonage/DTMaster/Probably Lucresia/maybe some other people, for not KILLING THE CLAIMED SCUM.

Check, possible mate.

(Ugh, I totally expect to get killed N1 for this post/catching Lelouch. Oh well; it's worth it. ._.)

[esuriospiritus]

;_; poor McScumbag didn't want to play on the losing team. Kinda feel bad for him, actually.

<3s and cookies to the poor mod for having to deal with all these replacements.

Wait, no, I can do better than that.

BEHOLD. HEART COOKIES.

[esuriospiritus]

@Jakalope: The earlier you roleclaim, the better. I still won't believe you, but go for it. Also, I'm far too lazy to dig up the quotes for you, but Lelouch was quite fond of rolefishing, posting fluff, and giving nonsensical reads for reasons as weak as "HE THINKS I'M TOWN SO HE'S TOWN", or "SHE THINKS I'M SCUM SO SHE'S SCUM" (which isn't actually what he said about me, but IIRC he really didn't say

anything

, so yeah, basically that).

[esuriospiritus]

I remembered Lelouch saying something about hinting at his role and did some "digging". HAR HAR HAR PUNS.

Come at me I dare ya I got a nice ole shovel I'll hit you with before you end up seeing yourself in a Grave

stop trying to throw dirt on me thats not there.

Anyway I will be doing the dirt digging and throwing and shoveling and moving and etc from now on. And I will take care of everyones dead bodies too, but onnnnnly if your royalty. wink wink.

I have already given like 50 hints as to what my Character is and my role and NOBODY SEEMS TO BE PAYING THE FUCK ATTENTION

I believe that Jakalope is the role name he says he is.

Still don't believe the alignment, though. Like I said before, I trust the TMH hydra to be telling the truth about him claiming scum.

[esuriospiritus]

Unvote

I'm really not keen on going into the night with four people being replaced. We still have two weeks left and Lelouch is gone, no need to rush the lynch.

@The Jakalope
It seems your main priority at the moment is staying alive. I relieved you of this pressure for the moment. You are not going to get lynched in the next couple of hours. So if you're town and wanna help town you should finish that readthrough and give an overview on your reads.

Your nameclaim is definitely true with Lelouch sloppily hinting at it several times, but wtf at the mod for including Dampe?


Too bad DTM replaced out. He's scum for sure for attacking obvtown me and even instructing any possible vig to aim for me.

esurio, do you and DTM share any conflicting history?

Mh, maybe Andy was really that emotionally involved in the Lelouch issue. I certainly do like his list sans a couple of reads.

:goodposting:

But I'd like to point out that scum were probably given fakeclaims. (PEDIT: Whoops, kept reading after this post and realized lewarcher already addressed this possibility).

Also, possibly rule fifteen could be involved.

@Mod: Clarify rule fifteen for us? Can a person pass on a message to their replacement if they are force-replaced, or only if they replace out willingly?

DTM and I have never previously interacted, at least not to my recollection.

[esuriospiritus]

/has some punch and pie
/offers popcorn

Also, hi @ Darla.

This whole game day has been a travesty. e_e Lelouch was so bad and Jakalope so kinda meh that I'll believe the slot's flip is town only when I see the official mod flip, so I don't have anything much else to say right now except /facepalm at Lelouch's continued posting.

Just imagine, we almost had

Mist

in this game, too. Ugh.

Let's start Day 2 like Day 1 should have been. >_<

[esuriospiritus]

Not only did no townies die, but a doctor probably has a clear! Fun.

That's not an outdated wikitell at all!

FTFY

More serious post will have to wait. Sick as hell and not particularly capable of critical thought at the moment.

[esuriospiritus]

Wild SSBF appeared!
SSBF uses WALLPOST!
It's super effective! esuriospiritus fainted!

But no, seriously, I'm seeing a very high amount of bullshit and fluff in that thar post. Which is marginally alleviated by the fact that I seem to vaguely remember that being your posting style. But srsly. no moar walls plz. <3

And then there was that part where DTMaster, who SSBF replaced, wasn't reading the game and thus didn't know why Dekes was a SUPEROBVCONFIRMEDTOWNIE and voted him while putting out some stupid reason for saying he was scum which was so bad it apparently isn't even worth me remembering. ell oh fuckin' ell.

So SSBF/DTMaster-slot is still a probable scum.

CSL/Ythan-slot and Tragedy are worse, though.

Espeonage wagon is ehhhhhhh. His vote on me was more ehhhhhh but I think in hindsight it was more likely with the right intentions than not. But I was far, far too lazy/bothered by Lelouch to bother re-reading, so take that with a grain of salt.

I don't think TMH is a good lynch. I think TMH got a little carried away with his eagerness to policy lynch, but the way in which it happened I see as a town thing. I can't really explain why (I tried, and ended up rambling for like 3 paragraphs); it's kind of a gut thing. I'll definitely be keeping an eye on the slot though.

Side note: Lack of night kills probably means we only have one scum team, and probably do not have an SK. Just puttin' that out there.

[esuriospiritus]

Oh, right. Voting. Herpderp.

Vote: Ythan

Prove yourself more useful/less opportunistic than your slot was in D1 or die.

[esuriospiritus]

esurio: Why are you voting for Ythan instead of Tragedy?

The slots are more or less equl in my mind at the moment. I'm not against switching my vote to Tragedy at a later date, I just a.) I played with Ythan in my last game before I went on semi-retirement and I'm hoping that means I'll be able to read him easier than Tragedy, who I think I've only ever played/read a handful of marathon games with, and b.) I had a feeling other people would be jumping on the Tragedy wagon with or without my help and wanted to look for scum in a slightly different place at the start of the day. Cover more ground, etc.

Also, comical third option c.) CSL is

always

scum.

[esuriospiritus]

EBWOP: *equal

Gah, how did I miss that.

[esuriospiritus]

@Lucresia:

I'll take you at your word that you had a legit reason for not being around, but even so, why is it that you don't have anything original to say?

RC looks town. Eventually I'll have to de-lazify myself (shut up, that's totally a word ) and re-read MB53 -- I seem to remember attacking him for what I felt was a lame defense of Lelouch early on, but I also remember that I dropped it... and I

don't

remember why.

I should probably start taking notes or something. ._.

[esuriospiritus]

:S Do you have any additional thoughts, or are you just going to sheep SSBF and not say anything new?

[esuriospiritus]

Also, guys, I'm tracking a

mini

game with like half its players dead that generates posts faster than this. C'mon guys. Seriously now. Step it up a notch or ten. I realize we have a few players on V/LA, but still.

I think it may be a good idea to setup a voting bloc, for both the purposes of generating additional discussion -- inevitably some people not deemed obvtown enough to be on the bloc will disagree with it, and some of those people will definitely be scum -- and for the more obvious purpose of setting up a group of united obvtowns.

By the by, related note: I am

not

going to reveal why Dekes and Lewarcher are superobvtown, as has been asked of me. Read the fucking game. Still don't get it? Read it harder.

Still

don't get it? It's probably because you're scum and didn't notice when a

blatant townslip

was made. Mmkay.

So.

PEOPLE INVITED TO THIS VOTING BLOC OF AWESOME, SHOULD THEY CHOSE TO ACCEPT THE INVITATION

Esurio
Dekes
Lewarcher

... and anyone all three of us agree are town.

My additional probtown list, in loose order from strongest townread to weakest, consists of:

SSBF
TMH (pending better D2 posting than we're getting atm)
Espeonage (And yeah, I know I won't get you guys to agree with me on this, but I'm listing him anyway. I just re-read him in iso though and I still think he's probs misguided town, so~~)
ODM/sorasgoof (ODM seemed town; but this is kinda pending sorasgoof actually posting something of use)
RedCoyote (although in re-reading the MB slot his case is kind of ehhhhhh)
PatB
CrazyPianist1116

If we all agree on any of these people, they shall be added to the voting bloc. And so on and so forth, so long as the decision is unanimous. Anyone who is not Dekes/Lewarcher can be kicked off the voting bloc given a majority of the bloc has decided they no longer are towny enough for the spot -- including me, cuz thus far I'm only confirmed to myself. We shall of course be able to add people to the voting bloc later should we decide they're worthy.

Once you've accepted invitation to the bloc, you vote in solidarity with everyone else in the bloc. You don't vote people someone in the bloc thinks is town unless there is no one that everyone agrees is scum. You don't vote someone in the bloc as long as they're in the bloc (but you can push to get them kicked out).

If we do this, and we do this right, WE SHALL BE AN UNSTOPPABLE WALL OF TOWNLINESS.

People who disagree with this awesome idea and are not named Dekes or Lewarcher are probscum.

PS: In the time between this post and my prior post I just skimmed or entirely re-read the isos of damn near everyone in the game to confirm my impressions. C'mon, Ythan, it doesn't take that long.

[esuriospiritus]

EBWOP: Just took a look at the votecount. If we agree on this voting bloc thing then I shall move my vote onto Espeonage provided we cannot all agree that any of Ythan, Tragedy, dana, GhostWriter, or Ashblade/Xtotm is scum (those being my top four scumreads atm).

No, I'm not going to explain any of those right now. I just triple-posted; gimme a break. XD

[esuriospiritus]

*five

I can't count.

QUADPOSTLOLZ

[esuriospiritus]

There was some alcohol involved in my social excursions last night and my neurons are currently engaged in a civil war. No quadposting for me today~~~

I will say, however, that Espeonage's vote hopping is scummy as all hell.

"OHAI LET ME TALK ABOUT THE DEAD VI FOR FIVE PARAGRAPHS. oh btw vote xtoxm with one sentence of justification in what is otherwise possibly my longest post this entire game and say NOTHING WHATSOEVER about the person I have been tunnelling all game prior to this because WHY? orite, because SHE WAS TUNNELLING."

That + sheeping off lewarcher/dekes reads = I'm okay with the Voting Bloc of Awesome voting Espeonage today after all.

VOTE: Espeonage

Now, as for the Voting Bloc of Awesome...

Oh hell yeah, totally dig the voting bloc of awesome. RC can join. And Crazypianist, too. TMH and soras have yet to post something substantial on D2 (technically, crazy, too, but I remember having a strong town read on him D1 already). PatB needs ISOing. Like his vote on Tragedy although his PbPA outlines more the fact how useless Tragedy is. A concise case with a bit of opinion would do better.

Since my townread of Dekes and Esurio is very strong, count me in.

my probtown list is composed by players who are also on your list, but not all of them. Namely (townier up, the 4 whom I'll accept in a VB):

TMH: as I said, I disagree with SSBF's case on TMH.
SSBF: I disagree with some of his points, as I said, but I am getting townvibes.
PatB: no strong read, but his attitude towards the Lelouch wagon sounds townish to me.
CrazyPianist: I really have no strong read. ISO 2 and 3 sounds townish to me. I'd like to see more content, but ok.

As we all gave Crazy a pass, here...

VOTING BLOC OF AWESOME, ADJUSTED

esurio
Dekes
lewarcher
crazypianist

There wouldn't appear to be anyone else we agree upon at the moment, but I'll have us update our townreadlist later and adjust the bloc as necessary. Hopefully this thing will grow as we gain sturdier reads.

Current general consensus of the voting bloc would appear to be

Espeonage

. Crazy, do tell if you protest an Espeonage lynch.

[esuriospiritus]

Post to come soon. [insert legitimate but still half-assed excuse here], but when it comes down to it the real reason I haven't posted since the nineteenth is that everyone's lack of posting is pissing me off, and I decided me picking up everyone else's slack (with a few notable exceptions) probably wasn't helping. <_<

[esuriospiritus]

Esurio, are you still suspicious of Dana and if so why?

IDK. On the one hand his Lelouch vote was absolutely

horrible

and evidence that he really wasn't reading the game at that time, but on the other hand I think the fact that he didn't go on the uber-defensive/lurk like hell when called out for his Lelouch vote start of D2 is probably a good sign. And I like his iso 15. I definitely need to see more of him.

Really not liking GW's iso 19. Dekes hit the nail on the head with that.

Xtoxm is rising up on my scumlist. One person in a slot being kinda lurky, ok. Two people in the same slot being kinda lurky? :/ Does not bode well.

[esuriospiritus]

But you're feisty enough, you're probably town.

Will you think I'm town if I clear you?

Whats with this post?

Reading is tech.

[esuriospiritus]

Bunnylover, what do you think of Espeonage? What do you think of Tragedy? Why did you avoid talking about not just one but both of the leading wagons today?

[esuriospiritus]

Voting with the bloc.

VOTE: Tragedy

THIS IS L-1.

TRAGEDY, IF SOMEONE ANNOUNCES INTENT TO HAMMER, PLEASE CLAIM.

I've had no desire whatsoever to deal with this game lately and am considering replacing out. Maybe Dead Tragedyscum will fix the activity levels somewhat and make this game more fun/interesting.

[esuriospiritus]

Can we do it right this time plz?

Vote: Espeonage

[esuriospiritus]

I'm here today.

Convenient.

[esuriospiritus]

Has anyone considered a Reverse Mafia? (e.g. the Mafia consists of what would normally be heroes)

Doesn't hold water. On the other hand, the MAJOR characters might be the Mafia.

Speculating like this is just begging for someone to softclaim to deny/confirm that they aren't able to deny the possibility of these scenarios. It's too early for this shit still.

In other news, Espeonage is scum because (mostly off the top of my head, too lazy to iso)

-strategic D2 lurkage
-the whole lelouch thing
-claims to still not have any opinions on day freaking three. I mean, I know this game's been terrible info-wise with the mass lurking, but c'mon.
-seemed to have a strong feeling that I was scum until some point D2, when he unvoted and voted xtoxm without saying so much as a word about me. Later he says he unvoted because he "got told", but what he really meant was "obvtown people in no uncertain terms told me esurio's lynch was not going to happen, so I backed off."

on the other hand xtoxm is doing this whole "let me call someone who voted me town in an attempt to get on their good side" thing, which I happen to think is a glorious scumtell under certain

vague and mysterious

conditions. I'd have to do some

space-time warping voodoo magic under the light of the full moon and stars, involving a sacrificial blade and ludicrous amounts of pink glitter. also, an antique vaccuum cleaner, five dozen stuffed animals, and a live kangaroo

isoing to make that call for sure, though.

I think Ythan is maybetown. Thil is maybescum. LOL @ thil telling Ythan to contribute. Pot, meet kettle.

[esuriospiritus]

Thil actually posted a wall o' reads a while back, but IIRC it was kinda half IioA.

[esuriospiritus]

You're not particularly saying anything, either.

(PEDIT: @Thil)

[esuriospiritus]

</3 this game.

Thil is being so brazenly anti-town that I almost want to declare him obvnoobtown for it. Almost.

I think Dekes should gtfo Kdub for now. Not crazy about his initial post and the few after it, but Ghost-pressuring is fine by me and there are far scummier people right now who are doing a hell of a lot less.

[esuriospiritus]

Request replacement

I have no interest in playing with people who are just going to moan and insult me.

I on the other hand have no problem being insulted or moaned at

Unvote, Vote esurio

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

...

HAHAHAHAHAHA

HAHAHAHA

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH. HAHAHA.


Oh boy.

[esuriospiritus]

It's a terrible response to an even more terrible vote. <3

How about you actually read the frickin' game before you vote anyone, Hohum.

[esuriospiritus]

The basis doesn't particularly matter to me, really. It's a terrible vote.

[esuriospiritus]

Well excuuuuuuuuuse me if I post completely impulsively for once in my life. I laughed IRL. I laughed in text. I don't really care what fancy adjective you use to describe that, because the fact of the matter is, I thought his vote was

hilarious

. And probably random. And probably a result of revenge for that one insult-fest we had in some 62 thread or something a while back.

[esuriospiritus]

vote: Hohum

[b/]

I have never seen a more spontaneous vote and that does not sit well with me.

/facepalm

Yeah, I think the xtoxm/hohum slot is scummy as hell. But this is a silly reason to jump on the slot.

PEDIT: NINJAS. HORDES OF THEM.

Ythan, I see your point, but I still don't really care.

Awaiting hohum's catch-up posts. Should be interesting.

[esuriospiritus]

Yeah, I know. I had it typed up and ready to post when

LAZER BEARS

friends of my boyfriend showed up without him telling me and I had to run out of the room to change and look something resembling presentable.

[esuriospiritus]

True, true.

I'm sorry my boyfriend didn't tell me in advance he was inviting people over? I'm sorry I didn't just nix the whole post when I saw you beat me to the point?

No, nevermind. I'm not sorry. You'll just have to deal.

[esuriospiritus]

Well, yeah. "Your laughing isn't genuine!" is kind of a silly reason to suspect someone.

[esuriospiritus]

As there are now aforementioned extra people in my living room, not really.

I should probably stop posting for now.

[esuriospiritus]

Fine. Ugh. I was going to go be something resembling social, but noooo~

Fleshed out response:

I think this whole back-and-forth we've had has been an almost complete waste of a page (aside from Thil voting hohum), because while I can see why you might think me typing HAHAHAHAHAHA is disingenous, I completely fail to see why it's a possibly scum-motivated thing. Maybe if you could flesh out

your

response?

[esuriospiritus]

If by "questioning" you mean this:

So your response to suspicion is telling people to deal with it?

Then the answer is "yeah, pretty much, when it's something I percieve them as pushing me for something completely silly for the sake of looking like they're doing something useful."

Better? Feel useful now?

[esuriospiritus]

*as them

typing while talking = fail

[esuriospiritus]

Oh look, I finally call him out on arguing with me over something stupid for the sake of looking useful and he disappears.

Curious.

[esuriospiritus]

Except you were there for like half an hour solid before and you didn't say anything about leaving, so I kind of assumed you were still there...? And then you just HAPPENED to not be on the site any more at the same time I finally directly called you on not pursuing a useful argument...?

As you said to me,

While that is a plausible explanation you just posted, not having to explain yourself would always cast less doubt.

It goes both ways dude.

What exactly do you think you're getting out of this by pursuing "ESURIO TYPED OUT HER IRL RESPONSE OF LAUGHTER OH NOES" for a whole page? If you think I'm scummy for it, why are you not backing that up with a vote? You don't even have the excuse of "I'm voting someone scummier" right now, because your vote is sitting there being

useless

right now. Like this entire line of questioning.

Either vote me or admit you've been entirely fucking useless for the last page.

[esuriospiritus]

/facepalm

I r dum.

I was going by the latest votecount, didn't remember you voting Thil. So I retract the "your vote is being useless" bit.

This line of questioning is still useless, though. The hell is wrong with me laughing at a terrible vote on me? You've said it's 'disingenous', but I've still yet to see a reason why me typing out my laughter at having such a terrible vote placed on me is more likely to come from scum than town, and until I see that I'm really not going to take you seriously.

(Let's be honest, I still probably won't take you seriously afterward, either, but meh.)

[esuriospiritus]

Don't avoid the question. How is me typing HAHAHAHAHA etc. scummy? I didn't ask "how is the follow up scummy" because I can understand why you might think that, confirmation bias and all, and my short temper and general scatter-brainedness and lack of fact-checking probably isn't helping (but I obviously don't particularly care or I probably would have forced myself to either stfu or fix it by now <_<) I want to know what made you pursue this whole useless bit in the first place. Why do you think HAHAHAHAHAHAHA in response to a stupid vote is scummy? Have you never seen someone vote you and laughed at their stupidity before? Have you never felt compelled to say "this vote is completely stupid" and instead just figured laughing at the person would suffice?

Given your personality I would think you would be even more inclined to do so than me. I'm kind of surprised, really.

[esuriospiritus]

ie. would it have been less scummy for me to just have come out and say what I was thinking behind the laughter, which was, "wow, this is a stupid vote"? Why or why not? And what's the difference other than a greater amount of impulsivity being required for the HAHAHAHAs?

[esuriospiritus]

I know what it means, asshat. I was being snarky before.

How is it

scummy

though? And let me repeat my question, would it have been different if I'd said what I thought it was plainly obvious I meant and said "this vote is stupid"? why or why not?

Because if you're capable of playing mafia you're capable of reading between the lines, and even if you think me typing out my laughter was forced, is it or is it not the assertion and motivations

behind

what is said that actually matters?

[esuriospiritus]

So I'm allowed to comment when people place idiotic votes on

other

people, but if I say anything about people placing idiotic votes on myself it's disingenuous and OMGUS?

k.

I think we're just going to have to agree to disagree on the underlying theory-talk going on here. You seem to think that commenting on someone placing a stupid vote on you is scummy. I think it isn't. There's no cure for that kind of ideological schism.

But I'm glad I finally got to the core of what you were saying. Even if I vehemently disagree with

what

you're saying, I think the 'why' is in the right place.

And on that note, I'm going to sleep. G'nite.

[esuriospiritus]

Where did Espeo claim VT? O_o

[esuriospiritus]

Where did Espeo claim VT? O_o

Why would he claim something different?

Why are you acting like he couldn't possibly claim anything different?

@Pine: Essentially, he acted super sure that Lelouch was town and then lurklurklurked as soon as suspicion brewed in his direction until eventually more people were vocal about wanting Tragedy lynched than Espeonage, posted elsewhere despite claiming in this thread that his internet wasn't working, and quite a few scummy people were/are defending him.

[esuriospiritus]

...Are you stupid?

How is not assuming he's a VT rolefishing?

[esuriospiritus]

VT if he's town, goon if he's scum, but I don't see what assuming he might not be has to do with rolefishing. Am I asking for a claim? No. In fact, you're the one that started this whole "assume he's a VT" thing while asking him questions, which if he's town puts him in the uncomfortable position of having to word his responses to you in such a way as to neither confirm nor deny such claims, so really if anyone's doing subtle rolefishing that would be you.

(also, as much as I'd

love

to have another page long bitch-fest with someone who's idiot enough to think I'm scummy, afk for a bit.)

[esuriospiritus]

hurr durr, I guess he probably wouldn't be dumb enough to claim scum. scratch that part.

[esuriospiritus]

You don't have to read the whole thread to know when new developments are scummy, necessarily. Although context helps.

Pine is absolutely right that people are trying to discredit him before he even has a chance to post reads. This makes him look a little better and the two of you both look a little worse, imo (but I'm also accounting for your use-a-figurative-bludgeon-when-all-that's-required-is-a-stick personalities, so certainly not enough to make me inclined to change my vote just yet).

[esuriospiritus]

Lewarcher, you're preaching to the choir. It is highly unlikely that my vote is moving until Espeonage/Pine is lynched or killed.

[esuriospiritus]

RC!

[esuriospiritus]

My vote is not moving, sorry.

The Ashblade/xtoxm/hohum slot, the dana slot, the Ghost slot. I can elaborate on what sticks out most in my mind about them if necessary but other people have posted cases on them already.

Not fond at all of how quickly thil counter-wagon has built. Probable scum on it are Ghost and maybe TMH. (Speaking of TMH, if you have two people in one slot there is ABSOLUTELY NO EXCUSE for lurking like you have been. Step it up a notch or your necks may be on the chopping block next.)

[esuriospiritus]

Hoppster's not bad at being active. Twistedspoon is. (Likewise, Toast seems to be better at being active than Andrius.) I feel like Hoppster has more to say when he

does

post, whereas Toast's posting reads more like he's only posting because he feels obligated to say something. Number of posts doesn't matter nearly as much as quality/content of posts.

Aaaaaaaand no, I'm not 100% anti-Pine. For a moment there when you first replaced in I had doubts, I admit. Then I realized I was an idiot for letting a small handful of posts outweigh 2 and a half entire game days of posting and non-posting and went back to being 95% certain.

[esuriospiritus]

While I 110% empathize (ohey, iso links work now. <3) with the position Andrius has put you in, it's really not an excuse. I suggest you replace out if you forsee this lurking/apathetic thing continuing past the end of D3 or so.

[esuriospiritus]

I really do wish I could contribute something to this game, but nothing's happening that I can comment on.

How does the bloc feel about a Dana lynch instead? I mean, Espeonage/Pine slot is still scum but I'm starting to think Dana is even more scum. As if that were even possible.

Pine, still awaiting that promised post of yours.

[esuriospiritus]

Oh trust me, my Espeonage/Pine slot hate has not lessened one iota, and I'd still prefer to see that slot lynched quite a bit more than any other slot. Dana hate is just starting to come close with that last post. Quite the accomplishment really, all things considered.

I tried to elaborate on this until I realized my massive caffeine intake is making me far too ADHD to say anything particularly coherent. But uh.

[esuriospiritus]

Huh. Cool.

I'd like to see Pine claim before he gets strung up. Not because I'm likely to believe him, but because it's best to have all the information possible on the table before he gets hanged.

As others have said, Thil can easily be shot/lynched if he's lying.

[esuriospiritus]

So what is it with this revolving door of scummyish people replacing at scummyish times, anyway?

@chkflip: Care to weigh in at all on the Pine/Thil thing before you bail?

[esuriospiritus]

Oh. Claim is VT. Not a big loss for Town.

Oh hell to the no.

also lolhohum, trying to lynch claimed cop over claimed vt.

[esuriospiritus]

People in the so-called bloc are not getting killed and it is making me nervous. I need to reread.

@MOD: SSBF had no flavour with his kill. Was this intentional or an oversight?

[esuriospiritus]

PS: A cursory glance at chkflip's and thil's isos tells me Ythan might actually be right. Chkflip replaced out right about the time Thil claimed. If Thil was doing some sort of bussing gambit in order to become confirmed town, that puts other scum in the awkward position of having to decide which scum needs to get bussed more. And Thil's whole claim-but-here's-some-anti-CC-insurance thing doesn't sit well with me.

And if thil

is

scum, the gambit means he is very likely scum power. Om nom nom.

Also, this is setup-guessing, but if Thil was actually town I refuse to believe that someone in the bloc wouldn't have been shot at. Scum would likely assume that any town doc in the setup would protect Thil, meaning us obvtownies are suddenly left bare.

When I re-read in earnest I am going to take a look at other people who reacted awkwardly to the thil/pine thing.

[esuriospiritus]

There were no deaths N1 and 1 N2. I don't think there's an SK.

The similar sounding death-flavour of RC and hohum makes me think these kills were both from the same person somehow.

[esuriospiritus]

/points at sig

I'm gonna be busy this weekend. I'll check in if I have time, but I doubt it.

I've been on the fence about this Thil thing for a few reasons. I absolutely see the points Ythan is making, and the points I've already made (and TMH voting Ythan right now does not give me the warm fuzzies and this has very much been a ythan vs thil thing for days) but at the same time, it's entirely hypocritical of me to damn someone based largely on a clumsy claim. (*coughcough*)

But if Ythan is pulling

that

card then... hell. I'll just have to swallow that icky hypocritical feeling. ._. It's not a good enough thing to base a vote or lack thereof on anyway.

Vote: Thil

I still haven't gotten around to that re-read TBH. It'll get done first thing when I get back from v/la if nothing else.

@Mod: Prod crazypianist?

[esuriospiritus]

I guess I should post in this stagnation-fest of a game. /sigh

UNVOTE: thil
VOTE: Dana

I thought Ythan had role information. :/

Dana voting lewarcher is laughable. Likewise, the people on Dekes.

[esuriospiritus]

Emphasizing "trust me" kind of says

role information

to me.

I haven't been here in days (hell, the V/LA is in my sig still). I'm just now catching up and seeing the part where you said you didn't have role information. Sorry if my unvote is a little slow.

[esuriospiritus]

I thought I posted more recently. Huh.

I still don't really have much to say though.

@TMH: Can you elaborate on why you're leaving your vote on Ythan, please?

[esuriospiritus]

Why am I higher than Ythan? Why are Dekes and Lewarcher scum?

I happen to have a pretty decent town read on Kdub, the espeonage thing aside.

@Ythan: Let's pretend for a moment that thil is out of the picture, one way or another. Who else do you think is scum?

[esuriospiritus]

@Dana: Whoops, you're right. Not sure how I mistyped that. e_e

Better question, then: Why are lewarcher and Dekes neutral?

[esuriospiritus]

Posting now to remind myself to post when I'm not on the phone. <_<

[esuriospiritus]

Alright, I'm off the phone.

TMH's reads so vehemently disagree with mine that it's rather mind boggling.

I'm town obvs.
Ythan is town. He was town before the claim, and he's town after the claim. He's just plain town.
Crazypianist's iso is meh, but I snooped on Crazypianist's games (check out his wiki) enough to know that he's pretty obvious when he's scum. He's probably town, though due to the inactivity this is a tentative read.
Dekes is town, as is Lewarcher due to :goodposting: + certain D1 events that I have alluded to before.
I have a leaning-town read on PatB.

So in short the only meh or scum read we

remotely

agree on is Dana. In addition, 4/6 people on your town list are either on my scum or my meh list.

I'm not really sure we're reading the same game, here. Or maybe you're just scum.

Can you elaborate on why these people:

GW
bunny
thil
mb53

Are on your town list? Without ten million quotes or a wall this time, please?

[esuriospiritus]

Also prodded! \o/

Not posting tonight. Will tomorrow. Going to bed soon.

[esuriospiritus]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Thil

Thil hasn't been on my town list for a while, and PatB brings up good points. In addition, I think Thil's flip would be a lot more informative than Dana's (and Dana I am feeling slightly better about since re-reading him and realizing he was an early Espeonage voter D2/3 + noting the "lynch me over Ythan" thing, which I believe is more likely coming from town than scum even though the logic is kinda weird).

@Mod:

Can you please edit the first post so that all replacements/originals are listed? ISOing is a pain when I don't know who replaced who half the time. Thanks!

[esuriospiritus]

Fuck. Just saw this.

vote: dana

Hopefully it's not too late to prevent a no-lynch.

[esuriospiritus]

Also, @TMH: Why didn't you vote Dana to prevent a no lynch when you were around?

[esuriospiritus]

Sure enough that you'd rather go through the same exact crap tomorrow? No lynching is mega anti-town, regardless of what your read is. I'm not completely thrilled with Dana going either, but it's better than

nobody

flipping. Town not being organized enough to push a lynch through can only benefit scum, in the end.

[esuriospiritus]

VOTE: thil

Can this happen now?

Nameclaiming is bad as it would distinguish the VTs from the PRs since *apparently* the PRs are actual known characters and non-PRs are random joes (GET IT JMJ) thrown into the game. Freakin hell guys. dana was town.

if you really believe this why the fuck is your vote not on thill?

better post when I havent been drinking. ^_^

[esuriospiritus]

HI.

HEY, YOU WANT TO PLAY GAME NOW?

OKAY, HERE. I HELP.

12. Lucresia chkflip E_Lou_Sive,

Wario

, Mafia

Doc

, has been slashed to death Night 3.
4. Ythan,

Princess Peach

,

doctor

,was found incinerated and surrounded by energy burns Night 4.
2. Dekes,

Kirby

,

Jack of all Trades

, was found with multiple high-energy burn marks on their body Night 4.

My character name is

Merlon

. I guess he is from the mario games.

I can investigate

once per night.

ONE OF THESE THINGS IS NOT LIKE THE OTHER THINGS.
ONE OF THESE THINGS JUST DOESN'T BELONG.
CAN YOU GUESS WHICH THING IS NOT LIKE THE OTHER THING
BEFORE I FINISH MY SOOOOOOOOOOONG?

And no, smartass, the correct answer is not that chkflip is the only scum up there.

[esuriospiritus]

"explosion"? Maybe you should click the link, it will give you context.

Peach, Wario, and Kirby are all major characters in their respective games. Hell, all of them have had games starring them even if they weren't the lead character when they made their debut.

Merlon, on the other hand, not so much.

[esuriospiritus]

You're... quoting someone who flipped town

talking

to someone who flipped town in an attempt to discredit me? And not only someone who flipped town, but someone who

also

thought you were scum?

Hah.

Who's scum, thil?

[esuriospiritus]

In which case you are probably the second anti-town killing party (sk?) which I strongly believe was hidden in the voting bloc for reasons that are entirely contained in this thread.

!!!!

Actually this makes a

lot

of sense to me now that you mention it. I've held a town read on crazypianist because I happen to know he is super obvious about having buddies when he's scum, and wasn't seeing that. TMH (who, if PatB is right pretty much has to be town, despite my earlier read on them as a thil-buddy) has held a scum read on crazypianist for other meta reasons. If we're

both

right on our meta reads, he doesn't have partners but he's still scum.

I wholeheartedly support a voting bloc of the people not on the tragedy wagon, as balance wise probably all our remaining anti-town are people who were on that wagon. I'd still prefer a thil lynch over a weird lynch because he has the 50/50 going way against him, not to mention his overt scumminess throughout the game, but I could certainly live with either.

[esuriospiritus]

Childish = scummy? k.

No reaction whatsoever to PatB claiming roleblocked, huh?

[esuriospiritus]

Bunny, is there any particular reason you're ignoring that there's a 1 v 1 between thil and PatB right now?

Thil continues to avoid the subject of two claimed roleblocks as well.

[esuriospiritus]

NIGHTKILL SPECULATION

20. DTMaster SSBF,Old Bird, Vanilla Townie, found with multiple high temperature energy burns all over their body Night 2.

12. Lucresia chkflip E_Lou_Sive, Wario, Mafia Doc, has been slashed to death Night 3.

5. Xtoxm hohum, Ribbon, Vanilla Townie, was found with multiple high temperature energy burns all over their body Night 3.

1. RedCoyote, Tetra, Vanilla Townie, was found incinerated with energy burns all around them.
4. Ythan, Princess Peach, doctor,was found incinerated and surrounded by energy burns Night 4.

2. Dekes, Kirby, Jack of all Trades, was found with multiple high-energy burn marks on their body Night 4.

iso 68 points to Dekes not having killed E_Lou_Sive. More than that, I'm not willing to speculate on as it's obvious that if it wasn't Dekes it was someone who's still alive, barring some sort of inventor.

I can see hohum's death coming from any faction and

even E_Lou Sivre doesn't have to be a clean vigshot, although it fits the mo of a vig.

Important:
I am responsible for no deaths N1. And no actions at all for that matter. I'm a JOAT, one of them was a mass block.

I pretty much wasted all of my actions and the only informative thing is that PatB is a bit more likely town

(which becomes a lot more likely looking at his recent play).

An Ythan (orange) kill doesn't make as much sense to me as an SK kill as it does as a mafia kill. Keeping in mind that it wasn't super obvious that we had an SK going into Night 4 being that we'd only had one kill Night 2, I think our SK left Ythan for the mafia (who I think would be mafia's obvious target if they were the only compulsive shooting faction), which would lead to the SK being the red kill and mafia being the orange kill (which means if we want to ignore the 1v1 and try to hit the SK today it's probably not DemonHybrid as RC was an orange kill).

I also

really

can't see mafia having shot hohum. Not when there were people who thought his slot was scummy. I think that was probably the SK trying to hit a scum.

[esuriospiritus]

That wasn't at all subtle, nor is it particularly convincing.

[esuriospiritus]

I haven't been posting because I don't really have anything to say. I've already said my piece -- I think Thil is scum,

have

thought Thil is scum, and want to see him dead over anyone else outside that 1v1. Barring that, someone from the Tragedy wagon needs to get lynched and I hope it's at least the SK---

Actually, I just had a thought. What if

Thil's

the SK? Is that impossible? It would certainly explain why both Chkflip and Espeonage/Pine were kinda going after him ... I think it was D3, too lazy to check back... because maybe he

wasn't

one of them. And that was the source of a lot of my hesitation regarding Thil. Is it possible he just got lucky with calling Pine-scum and is trying to ride that, as SK, to endgame? Or is there something I'm missing that says he can't be an SK?

[esuriospiritus]

So are you planning on saying anything relevant, Looker?

[esuriospiritus]

thil13, Merlon, Cop, has been found slashed to death Night 5.

Whoops.

And nope, I'm not scum.

I'm

Meta Knight

, and I'm a

two-kill vig who retains those kill-shots if I kill correctly.

. I slashed chkflip to death with my sexy sword and sadly, thil. I was waiting for my kills to run out before I claimed.

Full action list:
Attempted to kill Tragedy N1. Was not successful due to Dekes' mass roleblock but at the time assumed I had played

too

obvtown and got targeted by a scum roleblocker and went into a lurker mode I've yet to really redeem myself from. I retained both shots at this point.

Attempted to kill Espeonage N2. Failed, but lost a shot even though he was scum. This didn't make sense to me until I shot chkflip and he flipped mafia doc. XD Had one shot at this point.

Successfully vigged chkflip N3. Retained my single shot since I correctly shot scum.

Chose not to shoot N4. I wasn't sure enough about who was scum to risk it, especially after realizing there was someone else with a killing role out there. Retained my single shot.

Shot Thil N5. Was really disappointed no one was on the 1v1 yesterday and assumed Thil was the scum because I didn't think scum would be ballsy enough to fakeclaim Sensor. Lost my last shot.

---

I never name crumbed outright -- blatant isn't my style lately. But my role was crumbed very subtly by me making my kill coloured purple in my NK analysis thingie earlier, purple or blue being the usual colour of Meta Knight's cape.

And then there's this thing which was entirely supposed to look like I was just being random and silly but is really a crumb with some other stuff thrown in to throw off any crumb-hunters. It's littered with stuff I pulled from the wiki and 'randomified':

on the other hand xtoxm is doing this whole "let me call someone who voted me town in an attempt to get on their good side" thing, which I happen to think is a glorious scumtell under certain

vague and mysterious conditions

. I'd have to do some

space-time warping voodoo magic

under the light of the full moon and stars

, involving a sacrificial

blade

and ludicrous amounts of

pink

glitter. also, an

antique vaccuum cleaner

, five dozen stuffed animals, and a live kangaroo

isoing to make that call for sure, though.

Meta Knight's Dimensional Cape cape allows him to manipulate space, and is a powerful weapon in its own right.

The sword

Galaxia

is a solid gold blade with a ruby embedded in its hilt, with anywhere between zero to eight spikes protruding from its sharp edges. In earlier games, the spikes were absent from Meta Knight's then-unnamed sword.

and the pink bolded is supposed to be a reference to Kirby, obvs (the "ancient" recognizing that he is one of the older popular Nintendo characters, having existed in some form or fashion since 1992.)

So, I'm town.

Kill PatB.

VOTE: PatB

Also, I think TMH might be scum with PatB simply because he COMPLETELY IGNORED the fact that PatB counterclaimed Thil being roleblocked and that whole 1v1 thing going on yesterday in favour of "oh i guess i was right lol derp". That or he isn't fucking using his brain.

[esuriospiritus]

TMH claims first.

[esuriospiritus]

Bunnylover: If you had to order {thil, DemonHybrid, weirdalexv, GW, esurio} in preference of order of lynching, what order would you put them in?

@PB:

DemonHybrid

,

Esurio

,

Weird

,

GW

, then

Thil

.

Thoughts?

[esuriospiritus]

THEORY:

There are most likely two scum.

One of them is probably Looker.

It actually has nothing to do with Bunnylover.




I haven't read most of the last two pages yet. Getting on that and considering whether or not to share why I think what I think.

[esuriospiritus]

TMH:

What do you think of Looker? Did either of you breadcrumb your name/role at all? I'm aware Andrius has a thing for crumbs.

Kdub:

Why is lewarcher more likely scum than Looker?

Lewarcher:

Who's scummier, Kdub or TMH? Why?

I don't really care if you've answered these questions or not before, do it anyway.

TMH:

Post moar. Hydras have half the excuse anyone else does, and since I caught something on a skim just now that makes me think you might actually be town after all (which is hilarious in hindsight since I've been thinking you were scummy most of the game) I need your opinions even more. Is Andrius still around or have we been talking to just Toasty for a while now?

Looker:

Hurry the fuck up on that catch-up plzkthx.

All:

Please correct me if I have anything wrong here:

TMH - Pokey, VT
Looker - Prince Fluff, VT
Kdub - Daisy, VT
esurio - Meta Knight, 2-shot Vig
Lewarcher - T.A.C., 1-shot flavour cop


As I'm sure you all understand, I am keeping the reasons for my reads close to the chest for right now. I don't want to color anyone else's reactions too much other than leaning looker-scum, tmh-town.

[esuriospiritus]

We breadcrumbed vig a few times so we could eat a night kill, but no one seemed to catch it

TMH

: Oh trust me,

I

caught at least one during the course of the game. But I can certainly see the town motivation from your slot to eat a NK earlier on in the game. Was there anything else? Do either/both of you frequently fake-crumb as town? Can you point me to specific examples from prior games? (Posts, plz. Don't make me hunt through a million isos.) Please encourage Andrius to make an in-depth post ASAP. I recommend

NO LATER THAN

2:30 AM EDT on the 10th of July in order to provide us with a full week for discussion with all of us here. As I said before, lurking from your slot is absolutely

not acceptable

.

Looker:

Your wording @me suggests you think I'm trying to "spin last night's kill". I'm confirmed town; I have nothing to "spin". Therefore your response to me reads as light OMGUS. When are you going to finish catching up and comment on that "everything else that's gone on in the thread" that you seem to think we should be looking at instead? Please commit to a specific date with the knowledge that I will auto-lynch you if you don't have some damn good commentary on the game as a whole and the living players by then. This deadline may be

NO LATER THAN

2:30 AM EDT on the 10th of July (Sunday). I don't give a fuck what you have to sacrifice in your real life to get this done; you

will

get it done and you will get it done

fast

or I will get you lynched without a lick of remorse.

Kdub

and

Lewarcher

: Please continue responding to each other's arguments and anything else relevant you see. I don't really have anything to say to either of you at this time; as I said, I am trying to keep my cards somewhat close to my chest right now.

@All:

You are forced to give someone a bulletproof vest that will block the mafia kill tonight. You cannot give it to me, and you can not keep it for yourself. Who do you pick and why?

[esuriospiritus]

lew:

@

All

: You are forced to give someone a bulletproof vest that will block the mafia kill tonight. You cannot give it to me, and you can not keep it for yourself. Who do you pick and why?

[esuriospiritus]

@Lewarcher

:

Re-read MB53 in iso for me; tell me what you think.

[esuriospiritus]

/intentional lurk is intentional

Waiting on Andrius and Lewarcher to say shit. Looker is running out of time to prove himself useful.

[esuriospiritus]

So, I asked my brain if it would be willing to deal with this game right now and it responded with a resounding "meh". Post later.

If I'm not mistaken, though, both looker and andrius are dangerously close to the deadline I've imposed upon them.

[esuriospiritus]

TMH:

Maybe its because epicmafia shut down that we got all these idiots like him and mist and people. Whatever the reason, its annoying as hell because

when you pull a badass town role you've never pulled before

with one of your best friend and want to enjoy a great game with great players that motivated you to join (looking at you RC, Dekes, esurio, dana) and a NINTENDO THEMED GAME, its really frustrating to see Lelouch vomiting shit out of his mouth all over this thread. Its not cool.

Explain pls.

[esuriospiritus]

Alright, a few random thoughts -

I'm thinking there's one scum in Looker/TMH and one scum in Kdub/Lewarcher. It's not as if scum had all that many obvtown people to kill that they couldn't take out one of the conventionally obvtown-looking people in Kdub/Lewarcher, so while it's WIFOM I can't help but think there must be one scum alive out of the two of them. I also don't think they're scum together because there's really no need for them to go to all this effort of being at each others' throats if they're both scum -- it'd be a charade that really wouldn't be at all necessary when they could just agree that the conventionally less-townie looking Looker/TMH needs to be lynched and count on me agreeing with at least one of those lynches for a scum win.

I'm having kind of a hard time shaking Andrius' "esurio isn't confirmed town -- oh wait I guess she is" comment, and I'm not sure if I buy the whole "we crumbed power to eat an NK" thing, but this is, tbh, better off than I was before. I was completely bald-faced lying at the start of today when I said I caught a towntell on TMH. I went into this day thinking he was the obvscummiest obvscum evar and probably partners with Looker, but figured I'd get more of a response if I pretended I leaned town on the slot. <_< And now I'm not as sure as I was before. Figures.

Looker-slot's lynch vote history is the most ridiculously scummy thing evar

Spoiler: VCA condensed

TMH 66 2/3
Lewarcher 16 2/3
Kdub - 200
Looker - 250

but I can't help but notice that unless the team is Looker/Lewarcher, MB53 voted like at least 3 of the scum at one point or another during his iso, and even if some of it was RVS votes I feel that is significant. That's what I was trying to get Lewarcher to see by asking him to look at his iso, but it doesn't look like he caught that.

Anyway, moar thoughts later. That's it for now.

[esuriospiritus]

re: the numbers:

moar points = moar likely to be scum. statistically and all that jazz.

I'm not getting into the details because I'm lazy, but suffice to say I basically copied DGB's system.

That said, last time I did this one of the scum had the max points and one of them had the least. So it's not all that reliable, but it was ... interesting regardless. I could see lew consciously avoiding certain wagons because of VCA.

BTW, the bulletproof questions weren't

purely

hypothetical -- it was a reaction test. Lew's response to me makes it obvious that he wasn't the one who gave it to me, which is what I originally thought because his claimed power seems so weak and redundant and it would make more sense to me if he was hiding that long enough to give it to me, but I guess not.

I've read between the lines a little and have a pretty good idea of who it is, but I'll save it for tomorrow because we can maybe confirm a second person if they don't get shot tonight and basically auto-win this. All of you, please don't say anything further that could be construed as confirming or denying that you gave it to me or ask any questions about it that might indicate you're not the person who gave it to me - scum have enough clues as is and I don't want them having any more.

I'm not saying who I think the 2nd scum is for the same reason. It'd help scum know who to kill, since they can't kill me and are probably panicking cuz they're just now figuring this out. Just keep in mind that as confirmed town, I may or may not have been lying about my reads to varying degrees up to this point.

VOTE: Lewarcher

Hope this is right, cuz we probably win tomorrow if it is.

[esuriospiritus]

See you tomorrow.

[esuriospiritus]

Stop being fucking

dense

, TMH, omg.

The bulletproof thing was a fucking gambit and a bald-faced lie and if you were paying a lick of attention you'd know to SHUT THE FUCK UP like Kdub smartly did and let me WIFOM the scum into maybe not killing me. But nooooooo.

So I'm saying this now rather than tomorrow because I'm not gonna let you fuck this up and be all "herp derp she lived she must be scum" and shit completely ignoring everything I've done all game. If that means I do die then so be it.

Team is pretty obviously Lewarcher/Looker at this point though. Lew would have freaked the fuck out more if he was town and Looker's obvscum. Your reaction is idiot!town but town nonetheless.

[esuriospiritus]

Goddamnit.

Okay, I'm pretty damn sure only Looker would be idiot enough to try to leave me alive/kill TMH for the "WIFOM", but let me reread Lew's interactions anyway.

[esuriospiritus]

I apologize in advance for any chain posting I am likely to do.



I really want to just Occam's Razor this shit and go home, but this:

danakillsu - 6 - Kdub, GhostWriter, Ythan, thil13, Dekes, danakillsu, esuriospiritus - (L-0)
thil13 - 3 - Pinky and the Brain, weirdalexv - (L-5)
Ythan - 3 - The Master Hand, lewarcher82, Bunnylover - (L-4)
Players not voting: Looker

is bugging the hell out of me right now.

[esuriospiritus]

Spoiler: iso stuff, before I got bored of commenting on every little thing

@RedCoyote; your post [regarding MB53/Looker] sounds ok to me. But I am surprised you didn't mention danakillsu among the people whose votes on lelouch don't look convincing. I also want to know what you think of TMH: it is the biggest difference between my views and SSBF's views.

translation: "yeah, mb53's scum all right. but why don't you go take a look at this scummy townie, too? And what do you think of this townie?"

I don't see much motivation to diverting attention from one townie to the other here if mb53/looker is town.

ODM/sorasgoof: soras just joined, and ODM didn't strike me as particularly town. I asked a question in my ISO 4 and I repeated it in my ISO 5. He never answered. It may be a very relevant question in case Espeonage is scum. And I think Espeonage is scum. So I'd say no: I don't want to make a joint block with him before soras is done reading and posts some content.

Lew denying Kdub's slot a spot in the voting bloc of "awesome". He also denies his buddy Espeonage, but given that he'd already taken a vocal stance on Espeo-scum in the past it would have been very scummy of him not to deny him. Kdub's slot, on the other hand, he hadn't particularly taken a stance on, so the motivation here seems to me to be blocking a townie out of the bloc moreso than distancing from a buddy. He also throws a little dirt on the slot for what I think is a very weak reason especially considering this was page 19.

@RC: about espe ignoring the apparent slip you write:

This is a good point. I don't remember Espeonage or mb53 (possibly others) ever bringing this up, come to think of it.

Glad you appreciate it. However, mb53 did mention it, as far as I see. A crappy comment, but at least he did not ignore it:

Maybe I am wrong with my read on lelouch (I have accidentally defended scum before, I can link if you want me to), but I feel he is genuinly trying (even in the post where he gave up he was scum hunting lol). I don't know what to think of the quicktopic topic, it may or may not be a coincidence.

buddy defending?

iso 29 (not gonna quote the whole thing) he shifts to attacking mb53 under pressure from SSBF.

iso 34 - "let's go back to soft-defending mb53!"

iso 38 - attacks kdub's slot for a dumbass reason again. The difference I see between his attacking of mb53 and his attacking of kdub is that one is under pressure from town (SSBF), the other is under some encouragement from scum (PatB) and no pressure at all, at least not that I can identify from an iso read.

I'm going to go ahead and post this now, as I'm about to have to relinquish the computer to my bf for a bit. I'm at iso 115 now and overall I've seen a lot of commenting back and forth kdub/lew from fairly early on while there's almost nothing mb53(looker)/lew. a degree of this can most certainly be chalked up to the replacement bullshit but yeah. My thoughts right now lean toward "kdub and lew talked to each other way too much in the thread to likely be scumbuddies unless they decided to distance from very early on, whereas lew/mb53(looker) looks like a more typical scumbuddy interaction".

Kdub:

a few things -

-did you play with lew at all prior to this game? if so, can you link the game(s)?

-link your most recent few scumgames, please.



I still have to re-read yesterday, which will probably actually be the most informative info wise, but this is where I stand currently.

[esuriospiritus]

I'm on a really bad losing streak right now (thanks, Team Mafia), so I want to get around to re-reading the rest of the game before making a vote, mmkay?

Looker, I know you're frustrated but if you're town you giving up is going to lose the game for us. Do you have anything to say? :/

[esuriospiritus]

Post.


Still haven't gotten around to rereading. Been busy with other shit. I should have time later today or tomorrow hopefully.

[esuriospiritus]

Read a bunch of isos and shit and they really haven't helped much. I'm WIFOMing myself into oblivion, here. I

hate

living to lylo. Fuck.

I really want to just Occam's Razor this shit and go home

vote: Looker

/Occam's Razors this shit
/goes home

[esuriospiritus]

ANDRIUS, TOWN WON.

THANK FUCK.

[esuriospiritus]

Sorry for thinknig esurio was some sort of 2nd SK.
Actually, not really.

/cry

[esuriospiritus]

Meh, Thil was all but useless and needed to be dead before lylo one way or the other.

Looker was useless too, but he was scum so ~

[esuriospiritus]

esurio & GW are the only two exceptions.

Kdub definitely deserves to be on this list. I'm not sure we would have lynched you without him.

[esuriospiritus]

Problem was very few powers were given to people who actually used them properly (esurio, lew)

Unless I'm misunderstanding you, I think you're forgetting the fact that I shot scum-who-no-one-really-suspected-yet in Chkflip, and completely-useless-anti-town-who-would-have-boned-us-in-lylo in thil, and managed to lie low enough not to get NKed until I could confirm myself.

Lewarcher, how early did you know I was the vig? What gave it away?

[esuriospiritus]

Pine: who is the other scum? Can you please link the quick topic so we can read along?

Edit: I bet it's esurio. It's fucking got to be her!

Heh heh heh.

Also, confession time: After the first couple of back-and-forths I read little, if

any

of the Kdub/Lew arguments. I just wanted them to keep fighting because the longer I kept it up the more I could be sure they weren't scum together. I also don't think I ever read a single SSBF spoiler... I just read the conclusions and wrote him off as obvtown.