Nintendo Mafia (Game Over)

[Dekes]

*yawn* finally!

Vote: Darla

That is one sexy wagon right there.

And Andy, you get caught really soon as scum, don't ya?

[Dekes]

I don't know who the crap half you people are.

Then you know more people than I do. Though we had a brief encounter in a dead QT not too long ago.

Unvote; Vote: Master Hand

[Dekes]

Page 5 already? Why isn't Master Hand hammered yet?

Surprise hammer: The Master Hand Because Andruis is a threat to me >:>. See you D2.

And look at all the lurkers immediately coming out of their holes. Whoever said this was a useless gambit, I disagree. It was a great way to kickstart us out of RVS - even if not everybody realized that.

The Lelouch wagon is completely boring. I'll let you guys handle it, I've got a town read on him already. Though he needs death regardless, the noise level is unbearable.

Why is there every fucking time a discussion about nameclaiming day 1?

unvote; Vote: mb53

Esu is a good vote as well. Might have to take a look into the LotR Mini D1 again.

[Dekes]

Nah, everything I could add would be nothing but repetition.

[Dekes]

You sure are of the helping kind, ODM.

[Dekes]

The Lelouch wagon is completely boring. I'll let you guys handle it

gives me bad vibes

so you're not scumhunting with us because it's boring? Just because a player is boring it doesn't mean they aren't scum, no?
your passiveness neglects town's strongest weapon; their opinions.

Hahaha, best snip ever. Cut off right before my

opinions

. I've been pretty clear about the reads I've given so far.
And the case is boring to me, because I have a town read on Lelouch. Everything clear now? But you're feisty enough, you're probably town.

@ODM
I did notice the changes you made but I didn't thought it was necessary really. Though now it did make me realize Darla's the biggest wagon so far. Based on her initial post, right? Mh, I'm not objecting the wagon, but she'll enter into heavy lurk modus regardless of alignment. And hey, she even announced it, how nice of her. Makes wonderful vig bait as well.

@mb53
Why did you stop responding to esurio and skipped right over to engaging PatB? It seems to me as if esurio is the one who first started to build up the case on you.

[Dekes]

I can't be the only one who saw it.

Unvote; Vote: eusorio

May have to re-evaluate my mb-read. I don't think so many scum would jump on the easy wagon at once.

But dana, seriously? Coming into thread, picking some random ass fact, that's neither inherently scummy nor done by Lelouch exclusively and you jump on the easy VI wagon without anything else to add? Ping.

Keeping an eye on lurker presence, but nothing of note so far.

[Dekes]

Is [your esu-vote] still valid?

Nah, apparently not. I specifically did read the rules after that "esu-slip" and still missed it

Is it wrong, if I still think Lelouch is just dumbtown? But his lynch is pretty much inevitable now. And regardless of alignment highly appreciated.

At least all of this has helped me getting some reads.

Don't like RedCoyote's post. If it's apparent you're gonna change your opinion on Lelouch at the end of the post why leave all the bits reading Lelouch as town and questioning people on their scum read on Lelouch in it? Reads like overjustification for your turnaround at the end of the post.

Tragedy looks very scummy. Going through her Iso there's no earnest attempt at trying to move the game forward. Lots of alibi-activity.
And every Darla-vote is wasted unless you openly admit it to be a policy/LALu-vote.

Dana is lurking happily and

thil could use a prod, mod

.

Esu-vote is obviously no longer needed so I'm heading over here:

Vote: Tragedy

[Dekes]

What's with espeo's reappearance? It looks like he didn't even read the case on Lelouch and went straight to accusing esurio of tunneling. Looks meh.

Espeo, any other reads but Lelouch and esurio so far?


Oh Andy, why couldn't you have gotten a town pm?

Your whole catch up-post boils down to a rage case on Lelouch. You want him dead because he may be scum, but mostly because he annoys the fuck out of you. While I agree with the latter part, your catch up post is fairly weak filled with a lot of noise and a couple of "Why am I scummy"-woes.
Additionally, your Tragedy hate comes out of nowhere, given your previous ISO. You want her dead for policy reasons or because she's scummy?

It seems a lot of people are satisfied with having their vote on "confirmed scum" Lelouch and have abandoned any sort of further scumhunting. To all Lelouch-wagoners: Do you want to end this day end as soon as possible with Lelouch swinging from the gallows?

On another note: DTMaster has seemingly vanished after his gambit, so has the Druidmuncher. At least CMAR is very active in other parts of the forums. Get your asses in here.

@thil
You're apparently pretty new at this, but you have to get your opinions out. What do you think of Lelouch? Who do you think could be scum so far?

I'm quite sure that somebody is being a ninja in this game...

Oh, Lord. What is this, I don't even.

[Dekes]

^ Cowardly flakers using pretentious excuses. Except Ghostwriter, of course.

This game...

FTFY.

@thil
If you're town it would be in your best interest figuring out who the scum are. It will take quite some active effort from you in order to do so. So please do something or you will be lynched faster than you can say "Sorry, I'm new to this game". Once again for you:

@thil
You're apparently pretty new at this, but you have to get your opinions out. What do you think of Lelouch? Who do you think could be scum so far?

@ Question: A couple of town reads but mostly nulls leaning things. If I had any more reads I wanted to share I would have shared them.

We should instead try and hit scumbags hiding in this mess.

Why, thanks for taking the pro-active way. So, you obviously think there are scumbags on the Lelocuh wagon? Who?


If it takes a Lelouch lynch to get this game going again, so be it. But too many people are hiding behind the "Lelouch is such a distraction, I can't scumhunt properly"-excuse which is incredibely lazy and very false on top of that.

@Lelouch
You should really reconsider you attitude before you ever start a mafia game again. If 90% of the players are annoyed by your play it might be that you are the problem, not them.

Unvote; Vote: Lelouch

L-1, me thinks. Tomorrow we start useful scumhunting, m'kay? Tragedy, TMH and Espeo are very good candidates to start with.

[Dekes]

They definitely had made up their mind before that or they would've simply asked the mod to replace Lelouch for his behaviour if they really wanted to play this game.

In other news, Tragedy is picking easy targets and is spouting vague suspicons.

Tragedy, which votes on Lelouch would you deem RVS-votes?

[Dekes]

Tragedy, which votes on Lelouch would you deem RVS-votes?

The question still stands, Tragedy.

[Dekes]

Thil, no scum reads so far? Why pick rather random folks like RC, CSL and Ashblade only to give them a null read?

[Dekes]

Unvote

I'm really not keen on going into the night with four people being replaced. We still have two weeks left and Lelouch is gone, no need to rush the lynch.

@The Jakalope
It seems your main priority at the moment is staying alive. I relieved you of this pressure for the moment. You are not going to get lynched in the next couple of hours. So if you're town and wanna help town you should finish that readthrough and give an overview on your reads.

Your nameclaim is definitely true with Lelouch sloppily hinting at it several times, but wtf at the mod for including Dampe?


Too bad DTM replaced out. He's scum for sure for attacking obvtown me and even instructing any possible vig to aim for me.

esurio, do you and DTM share any conflicting history?

Mh, maybe Andy was really that emotionally involved in the Lelouch issue. I certainly do like his list sans a couple of reads.

[Dekes]

EBWOP:

Hey, Ythan.

[Dekes]

Y'know, you are scummier than your predecessor.


Thil, what did you expect from a

Large

Theme Game? Three pages is nothing. You should read Reckamonic's OoT Mafia some time.

[Dekes]

I will. As soon as we're at full strength again.

And I wanted to add, I love me some strong town core D1. Makes things so much easier.

@mod:
Not to pile on your work, but Darla has failed to pick up her role pm in another game. You may have to replace her, too. Or at least check back with her how the computer issues are coming along. And maybe you can contact ODM asking them to stay in the game now that Lelouch is removed they game and according to them, that was their main reason to drop out after all.

[Dekes]

I guess, it was the hammer. And one of the scummier ones in recent mafiascum history, too.

Overall, that was an incredibely lazy day. With the distraction gone, I strongly hope, tomorrow will be more useful and especially more active.


Jackalope, now would be the ideal time to get out your last words, suspects, etc, if you're town or subtly hint at your buddies if you're scum.

[Dekes]

Neat.

Vote: Espeonage

Barring any investigative result, my vote won't move today.

[Dekes]

Alright, just a couple of quick notes.

SSBF, you replaced DTM, right? Phew, that means I only have to skim your posts. Way too wordy for a VCA on a player that was obnoxius, detrimental to town and apparently claimed scum in thread.

@Espeo
Give me one damn good reason why I should ever move my vote off of you?
You simply stated Lelouch was town for "I know my VIs" reasons but did nothing to derail the wagon. You said there was scum in the wagon but you failed to follow up on that assumption. You voted esurio for tunneling, which is probably the biggest non-scumtell ever, and you didn't even acknowledge eusrio's case on Lelouch's alleged slip in the GD forum. And today you're simply parking your vote again on esurio without making the slightest effort of commenting on anything else in this game. Also, first one to suggest mass nameclaim in a Theme Game Day 1 is scum anyways.

@Mod: Will we ever see the nameflip of Lelouch? And V/LA until sometime Sunday afternoon once I'm sober.

[Dekes]

Oh hell yeah, totally dig the voting bloc of awesome. RC can join. And Crazypianist, too. TMH and soras have yet to post something substantial on D2 (technically, crazy, too, but I remember having a strong town read on him D1 already). PatB needs ISOing. Like his vote on Tragedy although his PbPA outlines more the fact how useless Tragedy is. A concise case with a bit of opinion would do better.

, it doesn't mean that she is most certainly town.

Seriously? My girlie avatar is long gone. I mean, come on, how do you associate the name Dekes and a Bender avatar with a woman? And don't worry, I'm most certainly town.

SSBF replaced DTM, so he definitely doesn't get a pass yet. But his latest posts looked like legit scumhunting, whether he's town or hunting another scum team doesn't matter, he's welcome to vote along with us. So is everyone else, btw.

Once again:

Why am I scum defending a townie, rather than town defending someone who I genuinely thought was town?

Stop being useless. This is your lone D2 post.

#463, #464 and #466 are so funny and so sad at the same time. Story of this game so far.

Ythan, is this your plan on catching up? If so, consider me underwhelmed. Town read on Lelouch early: intent in his first posts looked honest; I said I was clear about my reads not about the reasoning behind these reads - that's all you get. And now do something productive or face a wagon coming your way. You replaced CSL, right? Not a spot I envy.

So, for the voting bloc to work I break my promise and leave my Espeo vote. What do you guys say? Tragedy wagon ho? Ythan wagon ho? Lucresia wagon ho?

Unvote; Vote: Ythan

Espeo, does that mean you changed your read on tunneling scum esurio?

And I swear, if Darla doesn't eat bullets tonight or gets replaced before, I'll rage.

@mod:
Question still stands. Do we get nameflips or not? Was TheJakalope Dampe?

Also, can you prod crazypianist and thil, please? Thanks.

[Dekes]

In case you missed it. I don't have to get into your good graces, it's the other way around. I give out gut town reads when I see town intent as I please, thank you very much.

That's still neither hunting scum nor sharing opinions. You're wasting your time going after me. I get it, you're trying to gain town cred for going after the unconventional target and questioning the obvtownies.

But some suspects would be more helpful.


Thread needs more "posting everywhere but here"-presence from mb. He didn't scream town to me when he was more active either.

[Dekes]

@Ythan
If you could read you would've seen that Espeo calling Lelouch town was only the setup for why I think Espeo is scum. It's his subsequent actions and non-actions that make him scum.

Okay, fair enough. It's useless to go after me today. Just leave it at that.

@jmj
That was my question, thanks

[Dekes]

So, you wanted to say "If I flipped town"?

[Dekes]

What exactly was the purpose of that, Tragedy? Do you wanna say you think crazy is scum? Or just mislead? Why does crazy have to talk about thil? What is your obsession with thil all about? He's gonna get prodded, replaced or vigged in the head (after Darla). No need to bring him up all the time when's he's MIA anyway.

Also,

Unvote; Vote: Espeo

Voting bloc of awesome, you know what to do. I wanna keep Tragedy around anyway, even if she's scum. Her ISO might be more valuable in the long run.

[Dekes]

Relevant.

That didn't answer my question what you think of crazy.

[Dekes]

@mb53: so voting block is awesome, but you don't vote with the block?

This.

Also, mb is very interested and even worried about his standing among town.

Soras belongs in the posting-everywhere-but here category as well.

@thil
Are worried about people accusing you of OMGUS?

@mod
Prod Darla and xtomx, please. Do you have a limit on prods someone can receive?

[Dekes]

Still applies. I'd support a Lucresia wagon 100%.

Everyday I come in here and expect giant contributions by Darla, Lucresia, xtomx and Ghostwriter. But we have to deal with what we got here.

[Dekes]

EBWOP:
Add soras to that list.

[Dekes]

So, for the voting bloc to work I break my promise and leave my Espeo vote. What do you guys say? Tragedy wagon ho? Ythan wagon ho?

Lucresia wagon ho?

QED.

Espeo is scum, Lucresia is scummy -> vote: Espeo

[Dekes]

But you're feisty enough, you're probably town.

Will you think I'm town if I clear you?

Depends on your attitude. In any case I don't need any clearance, but thanks for the offer.

Righto. Just did a quick skim-through. Espeo is most likely town. Tragedy is not. Tragedy is far more scummy.

You don't get a pass on throwing around baseless townreads. What gives you the impression Espeo being likely town?


There are scum in that pile of lurker maggots. Guaranteed.

Andy, people who can mod can play games as well. You haven't posted at all on Day 2. Change that.

@mod
Do you have co-mod who can help you out? Your last vote count is three days old and it wasn't the first time of infrequent vote counts. And please affirm if you acknowledge prod requests by players. Darla hasn't posted in over six days. She has to be due for replacement. Thanks, you're doing fine otherwise, I know this must be a tough game to mod with all these flakers you have to deal with.

[Dekes]

^unfair mod. it's Easter, you replaced those who must be replaced, but you cannot expect everyone to be online actually, I hereby ask you for a two- or three-day extension of the deadline to make up for the Easter weekend's low activity and to give the replacements the time to re-read.

Only thing is that this isn't a recent problem that arose over Easter. Anyway, we have ten days left, no need for extension, people just need to get active.

@GW
Instead of pointing out errors in the votecount you should maybe start getting involved and stuff, beginning with answering questions directed at you.


I don't feel a Tragedy lynch today. It's obvious, Espeo is laying low hoping for the Tragedy wagon to surpass his own. His vote is on xtomx aka in the middle of nowhere, he's not giving out any other reads but Tragedy and xtomx and he's not scumhunting in the slightest, only responding to stuff directed him.

[Dekes]

Oh, I never said Tragedy couldn't be scum. I actually think there's a good chance she is. But like I said earlier, I'd rather have her around than Espeo since her ISO gives us a lot more info to work with.

[Dekes]

Stop. Avoiding. Questions, Gostwriter.

@Bunnylover
How's the catch-up coming along?

V/LA until tomorrrow evening.

[Dekes]

I'll answer your question with a question: Why is he more scummy than MB?

Somebody please cop/track Ghostwriter, please. Though I have no problem with lynching without results. SSBF already covered most of it but I want to answer as well

a) I asked you for your Espeo town read that came out of nowhere and you refuse to give your reasons or even point out posts that give you the impression.
b) You deflect the question and tie a completely different player to the argument, a person you never mentioned once before and now is apparently one of your scum reads.
c) All the while sitting comfortably on the counterwagon of Espeo, namely Tragedy. No vote on mb, no pressure, not even a measly question for him.


Oh, and SSBF, scummy people don't get vigged. Detriments to the town get vigged aka lurker and VIs so we don't have to deal with these null dead weights later in the game where we can't afford to waste a lynch on those people. That's the vig's job unless everyone is actively involved in the game. Which is sadly not the case here.

Dekes out.

[Dekes]

EBWOP:
*lynching you without results.

[Dekes]

And don't give me this shit about needing to answer about my town reads.

Except I don't condemn anyone on the Lelouch wagon for being on it. And I commited to the wagon by commenting on it.

Your play on the other hand reeks of "I told you so" in case, Espeonage ever does in fact flip town without having ever to justify your town read afterwards. You just casually commented on Espeonage, the biggest wagon at the time (four days since the last vote count, geeze), calling him most likely town without any indication why and then continued to refuse to give a reason even after multiple people asked you several times and instead you deflect onto other persons. I take it, you think, mb is most likely town as well?

Fine, I'll cave. I'd be down with lynching Tragedy first. But not before everyone is caught up. I don't want another lynch with half the people not having expressed their actual and up-to-date opinion.

And one more thing, the fact that so many people are looking only at Tragedy (even if she brought most of it on herself) on nowhere else today will make this wagon a juicy one to look back at on Day 3.

I'm here and glad that their is only 25 pages that I have to read .

Don't Worry, I gave up along time ago.

Will we still be graced with your opinions on the game?

[Dekes]

@Bunny
Don't comment on Lelouch and whether you agree with his lynch or not. It won't net you any brownie points. If you want to talk about the Lelouch-wagon talk about the people on and off it. Lelouch is dead and has flipped, there's no need to give your read on him and it won't give us any info.

[Dekes]

@mod
Please prod/replace Lucresia and prod Kadersalad.

It seems we won't break this apathy until we feed the bloodthirsty mob with the flips they crave. I really wish we'd see Kader, Lucresia and TMH to weigh in before the day ends, but probably not gonna happen.

Unvote; Vote: Tragedy

That would be L-2. Still have an uneasy feeling about this.

[Dekes]

This looks like the more viable lynch today, and Espeonage's flip is likely to reveal more info on dana+others as well.

Elaborate on the last part, please. As of if now nothing but an empty statement.

@mod:
Can you update the OP with all of the replacements, please? Took me a while to figure out the replacement chain of the Kdub slot replaced.

@Ghostwriter
Espeo needs to contribute to solidify your town read on him? Agree or disagree?

@thil
What are your reads?

TMH has been skating along all of Day 2. More input you two.

Vote: Kdub

The voting bloc can align later <3

[Dekes]

That list's a month old o_O

[Dekes]

@Ghostwriter
Espeo needs to contribute to solidify your town read on him. Agree or disagree?

That's the second time you avoided a question, Ghostwriter.

Now? Now? That isn't a recent quote from me. It was my reason for staying on the DBE wagon after RVS. However, DBE was never around, so there was no way I'd get support for it. While looking back, I realized that, with the replacement, perhaps now the wagon would fair better. And I don't really find the DBE wagon speed disturbing, I find the TMH counter wagon speed disturbing. No, I wasn't expecting serious reasons. However, with reasonings of wanting a RVS wagon to hop on, but not going for an already begun one, I became wary.

I call BS. Let's look at the TMH counterwagon on D1. First two voters were RC and CSL/Ythan, hardly the driving forces of the wagon. So the people who really wagoned were esurio, mb, myself and Lelouch. One of those flipped town, another is one of your stronger town-reads and the other two are as townie as it gets. If you really believed in your theory you would've pressured some of those people on the counterwagon. But there is nothing in your Iso, absolutely nothing.

One's vote is not a commodity to be thrown around recklessly.

ITT people don't know how to play mafia. Not voters are always wasted voters and this always benefits scum.

Anyway, your ISO is scummy to no end. And someone brought up a good point about the discrepancy between you saying "If Espeo dies today, I wouldn't mind" to "Woah, the Espeo wagon grew to quickly, I'm sure he's town". And you've yet to elaborate on the latter statement. If it grew too quickly you must believe scum to be on the wagon. Who?

Unvote; Vote: Xtoxm

@crazypianist
Mostly his idle posting.

@TMH
You are not forgotten.

I consider thil to be newb/dumbtown, possibly trolltown. Definitely don't want him around LyLo.

[Dekes]

Can you at least give me an answer?

[Dekes]

Would anyone else be offended by what I said to xtoxm?

Note: He replaced out of another game recently for the same reason. Take that as you will.

[Dekes]

I wasn't part of the other Nintendo game that was run recently, but it seems Nintendo games are cursed on this site.

[Dekes]

V/LA until tomorrow night

[Dekes]

I'll sheep here until I'm properly caught up.

Vote: thil

Feels like lynch the VIs until you find the scum among them. And thil's minimalistic ISO doesn't offer a lot of connections. But then otoh, it also doesn't offer a lot to suggest he's town.

I really hope Ythan's and hohum's technique works for them. Esurio looks even more town to me after her dispute with Ythan.

Don't let TMH skirt around this thread. They're both way more active throughout the rest of the forums. This slot needs investigating.

Did Ghostwriter flake the site? Great.

This game has gone way downhill. Where did this "dana has a god complex" thing come from? Seems pretty random to me.

This post seems pretty random to me.

[Dekes]

FoS: Ythan - prod-dodgery. Not inherently scummy, but not inherently towny either.

Prod-dodging. Busy with finishing the setup of my mini. And now I'ma go out have some fun.

I'll have plenty of time tomorrow.

[Dekes]

Maybe I am wrong with my read on lelouch (I have accidentally defended scum before, I can link if you want me to), but I feel he is genuinly trying (even in the post where he gave up he was scum hunting lol). I don't know what to think of the quicktopic topic, it may or may not be a coincidence.

Again, just a very innocent act about his stance on Leouch. "Maybe I'm wrong..." "I've accidentally been wrong before..." "it may be a coincidence...". Feels manipulative in the sense that mb53 is giving a heaping dose of uncertainty. Compare this to his post 174. This post is more rational and less full of doubt.

I just wanted to point this post out. This is pretty much what I was talking about earlier in this post (questions section) about why I'm having MB lean scum now. Furthermore, the defense is downright pathetic. Why? Because of how quickly it came. And because it completely changes what the accusation reads as, or at least what I percieve it to read as. I read RC as pointing out MB's need to repeatedly point out null reads and almost stress the fact that they're null. You can have null reads. That's all good. Everyone has them. But they don't go around shouting it to look like they're giving reads on players. Giving a null read is barely better than saying nothing at all. Adding details on why it's null rarely helps.d my final thoughts.

That happened on Day 1. Why didn't you mention this earlier? Any of your previous statements about mb were leaning town.

Looking at the vote count, the thil wagon looks really awful. The only people I'm comfortable with are RC and myself. The fact that thil is lurking his way through all of this isn't helping either (last post May 10th, last visit on the site today and I've seen him on previous days, too). I honsetly think that thil is overwhelmed by this. Regardless, that slot needs some Night Action on him. PRs, you know what to do. And if someone has an incriminating result, out with it. Because let's face it, we need a scum flip badly.

chkflip's reaction is all sorts of bad. Who'd he replace? Lucresia...oh Lord. There's a good place for a vote.

But, then there's dana. In my experience dana's always scummy as fuck. I've read through Kdub's case on dana and imo only his last point holds water. Dana's really waffling about esurio and went from defending esurio to chain-lynching her up.

Unvote; Vote: dana

That should answer the question if I'm up for a dana lynch.

@TMH
Pull youselves together. I'd suggest replacing out if it wouldn't mean even more work for the mod.
D1 was a mess. Then don't read it. But there's no excuse for not reading up on Day 2 and 3. That's like 15 pages. Right now you're a scummy bunch of lurker.

[Dekes]

Why can't I shake the feeling thil's buddies are throwing him to the wolves and try to get mislynch out of the deal first. The claim is all sorts of uber-scummy:

- Unfortunately no result on Night 1
- Fortunately a newly discovered guilty on the counterwagon
- No vote on Espeo when the wagon picked up steam. No vote on Espeo when the wagon lost steam. NO VOTE after he claimed the guilty on Pine. Only after Pine voted thil, thil felt the need to return the favor.
- thil didn't play at all like Newbies usually do when they get their first guilty. I'd have expected more aggressiveness and overeagerness.

The Espeo/Pine hasn't offered anything at all so far, so if you want to take the route "lynch the claimed VT over the claimed cop", go ahead.

Thil, just fyi. If you're lying about being a cop and yet town, there's no turning back. You will be going down if Pine flips town. And quite frankly, I'm sick of hearing people saying "what's the risk, lynch me tomorrow if I turn out to be wrong". That's not the pro-town route in any case.
But humor me: Why did you investigate Espeo? Is your sanity confirmed? Is there any flavor to your role?

If thil is scum, dana goes next. His latest post was such a lazy episode of going with the latest trend without adding anything else.

@Kdub
I haven't looked at PatB in a while. Last I thought about him he was in my null pile. I'll take a look at him, but not today.

[Dekes]

That wasn't the hammer if I counted correctly (pedit: well, that works, too). The last post didn't read that much like a townie after the hammer, too :/...Pine, what are your final reads?

And Ythan seems to be a little too desperate to get thil lynched in the last couple of pages considering the gain/loss of a Pine vs. a thil lynch.

Dekes seems like the perfect middle-of-the-road player at this point. (p.s. Have I ever seen you as town?)

I started skimming here after I realized you are still scum. We played Blackest Night together as town until the last day. I'm more than sure you still remember this game. And on top of that it's the only game we played together.

The post of yours might be worth looking into again after your flip.

[Dekes]

EBWOP:

Mod, can you fix the quote tag please.

[Dekes]

It's me saying that I do acknowledge the general concern of lynching Pine first and you apparently don't.

Yes, all we've done so far was lynching an obvious VI, lynching a known VI and now following a cop claim that is awfully convenient for thil.
But on the other hand, we haven't lost that much either.

What happened to your Espeo/Pine scum read? Also, what would a dead scum thil tell you about Pine?

[Dekes]

Jmj, you still around? I am kind of curious now.

I am here

[Dekes]

Too late. And Pine had more than enough time after he supposedly was all caught up to come up with something remtoly resembling suspects.

[Dekes]

Weird cop play, thil. Extremely weird.
Let's get the facts straight:
- There is no hint whatsoever to be seen thil had a guilty on Espeo
- scum have daytalk
- at the time thil claimed there was no way in hell that somebody else but thil or Pine would get lynched
- Pine flipped Goon

I don't think for a second it's impossible thil and Pine are scum together. However, lewarcher brought up a good point. Since chkflip was in a team with Pine, it begs the question, why would chkflip make a hard case on thil when he could simply bus the goon?
Plus, the wagon on thil: Ythan, dana and PatB =

thil, I'm too lazy to check: Did you forget to send in an action N1 or were you roleblocked?

People in the so-called bloc are not getting killed and it is making me nervous. I need to reread.

Part of it might be because the bloc hasn't been acting like a bloc since early Day 2 and has lost a lot of its threat for any scum.

But I do want to hear from crazypianist who's been off the radar for a good while now.

Andy, you know I love you, man. But you should also know that you lost any credibility and a town membership since this one here.

Dekes seems like the perfect middle-of-the-road player at this point. (p.s. Have I ever seen you as town?)

I started skimming here after I realized you are still scum. We played Blackest Night together as town until the last day. I'm more than sure you still remember this game. And on top of that it's the only game we played together.

I feel like votes need to be here:

Vote: mb53

[Dekes]

Trust you, hm?

Okay, humor me, Ythan. Outside of your tunnel, who else but thil is on the dark side?

[Dekes]

Do you think thil is a mafia PR?

Why would chkflip - if he intended to bus anyway - bus the PR instead of the goon?

[Dekes]

>_>

I saw your not so subtle subtlety the first time. But since you put a bull's eye on your back anyway I thought I'd ask for your

reads

before the day ends.

Unvote; Vote: thil

[Dekes]

Thil, who did you want to investigate last night?

Ythan, it may be better need to claim eventually to get the thil lynch through. It looks like there are three killing roles out there, so no protective role on the town side is nigh impossible. If what you say is juicy enough and thil flips scum, you're safe tonight.
I just don't want this to turn out into a possible scenario of thil flipping town and tomorrow you going like "Well, it was a gambit, I of course didn't KNOW he was scum, but I was super sure he'd flip scum. Sorry, town!" If it's not clear, I think you're town and I don't need a wasted lynch if you turn out to be wrong.

I hope to see content from mb in the future.

[Dekes]

Unvote

please just man up and make a clear post.

You should listen to your own advice, Ythan.

I was under the same impression as most people were in thinking you had compromising information on thil. If you don't, I'm not gonna support a thil lynch no matter how scummy he is. There are scummy players by default, but given the circumstances of an un-cc'd cop claim with a correct guilty, thil is not the lynch for today. And if you would be willing to risk your lynch based on supposedly a read only, you might wanna work on your ego. Lastly, the fact that you have no clear number two suspect stresses the fact that you are shutting everything else out and that you, indeed, are tunneling on thil.

@thil
What made you change your mind on TMH? And while you have been on the defensive side for the better part of the day, you need to share your supsects. And I don't want the "I'm basically in agreement with everybody else. No need to reiterate" routine again.

1)But that will happen regardless of alignment. Not to mention that if we lynch the role-blocker, we end his ability to say that. I'm saying that its poor play to lynch a claimed cop at this stage in the game. There was no CC, and I see this entire case as turning into "uh, well, scum could have done that!" Well, guess what? Town can do that too.

You're missing a rather obvious alternative. That thil is a roleblocker.

Dana's vote is all sorts of bad, even to the point that it that it almost feels he thinks he's genuinely right about finding this "contradiction". But there was no clear indication why he left the thil wagon in the fist place.
Dana, you said "Lew's not looking very town", making it look like this was a pre-existing mindset of yours before finding that contradiction. Can you dig up some more scummy things about lew?

Vote: mb's replacement

[Dekes]

I heard you the first time. Do you have proof that thil is scum?

[Dekes]

No need for insults if you're the one being vague. If you're waiting for something before you decide to out your info, please. But then don't comment everytime your name is mentioned without adding anything new to the thread.

[Dekes]

Then the thil lynch is possibly not going through and you should look elsewhere. What you've managed to avoid today thus far.

[Dekes]

Alright, I'll be here for a while. After Ythan's explanation, I didn't feel the urge to point out the obvious flaw. Instead I looked back into the scum flips a bit and at the Espeo/Tragedy/thil wagons. I'll take another look now and see if I can something juicy.

Initial reaction to Ythan's claim. I buy it. Three killing factions (or two and a half depending on what you think of the N3 kills), town needs some protection. Plus, Ythan was town before that anyway.

Ythan, why protect RC? You yourself were wondering why scum killed the very unoutstanding RC, so why did you protect him nights 1 and 2?

[Dekes]

Dekes has acted much as I would expect him to from what I've seen of him as town.

Missed a sentence. That should also say, "On the other hand, what Dekes has said about me this game doesn't seem to reflect what he knows about me, so I'm not sure about his alignment."

Elaborate on both parts, please.

1. The only time you've seen me directly as town was in Blackest Night, where you were the mod. So you was obviously informed about my role and thus biased towards how you viewed my play. I don't expect you to get as clear a town read on me when you've never played with me as town before.
2. What do I know about you? The only game we played together is ongoing.
3. So my play is town but you don't give me a town read because of how I view you? When we didn't even play together? Errm...no.

And your Kdub case is just bad. It revolves too much about you and apart from calling Espeo town (which several people suffered from) I don't see anything scum there.

Unvote; Vote: dana

While you're not on the top of my scumlist, I'm all for the wagon now because they should be very informative if either dana or thil flip scum. Now with two scum dead I'm sure the incentive to bus has decreased by a lot compared to the rather easy Espeo wagons and their respective VI/lurker counterwagons on D2 and D3.

I'm actually surprised some people call me town without a question considering I've done shit for quite a while now. Even now with two dead scum the game is lacking for me and apparently others as well.

And I want all non-voters to vote or make at least it very clear where they stand in their next post. We are like five days away from the deadline and I want commitment out of those players, namely Bunny, thil and Ghostwriter. DH gets a little more time to catch up, but has the disadvantage that he replaced into a scum slot.

[Dekes]

Alright...mod has listed you twice in his latest vote count.

[Dekes]

@Dekes: your level of contribution is causing me serious concerns, especially if compared with your town meta.

Tell me about it. I never felt so apathetic towards a mafia game.

Anyways, expect a post once I'm sobered up.

[Dekes]

We already passed the deadline guys, so it's now or never.

Right now the only feasible is Dana, so VOTE: Dana

That is L-1 and I'm gonna ask for a name and role claim from Dana.

The first time your are commanding and it fails. You acknowledge we have passed the deadline and you continue to vote not for the lynch, but for the claim. Which makes it clear, you are not following the thread at all. Dana has already claimed his name and role: Anju, VT.

Last time you mentioned dana (and the only time today) you said, he looks like he's posting without really adding anything. Can you give examples of that?

@mod:
Was the deadline in your latest vote count updated? The front page says the deadline has expired while the last vc indicates we have two more days left. Is this an extension?

Looking at the flips, it should be noted that Ythan's and dana's claim match with what we've seen so far while thil's doesn't. Of course, this is barring any fakeclaims scum probably have. I think we should consider mass nameclaiming tomorrow, since the game may be at least partially breakable.

With only one night of three kills, NK-speculation is too early to be useful. I can see hohum's death coming from any faction and even E_Lou Sivre doesn't have to be a clean vigshot, although it fits the mo of a vig.

Important:
I am responsible for no deaths N1. And no actions at all for that matter. I'm a JOAT, one of them was a mass block. I pretty much wasted all of my actions and the only informative thing is that PatB is a bit more likely town (which becomes a lot more likely looking at his recent play).

@lewarcher
Why do you keep dodging PatB inquiry on what you think of thil's play independently from Ythan's antics and thil's claim?

TMH is still wrong in oh so, many aspects. The amount of misrepping in his posts is astounding. And I have no idea why he's so scared of the voting block which hasn't acted like one pretty much since D2. It may have been comprised, pianist's town read is long gone and esurio - just like me - has to pick it up big time, but the block is no threat at all if it's not working like one.

@dana
Depending on what the mod has to say about the deadline, you should expand on your scum reads. Those could be your parting words because as of now you are the only lynch if one happens. We've seen your Kdub case and your list of nulls. Anything changed since then?

Back tonight.

[Dekes]

Not sure what you mean here. What is wrong with thil's claim compared to the flips we've seen? And I highly doubt scum would not have safeclaims in this type of game.

What have all flipped VTs and Goons in common that differs from the (mafia) PR? Now compare that to dana's, thil's and Ythan's claims (I take with Ythan's claim with a grain of salt, since I'm pretty sure, he'S picked up on it, too. But he is town regardless, so it's all good).

Actually,

Unvote; Vote: thil

I like PatB's case and outside of thil's claim, there's nothing that warrants a town read. If he is the cop and there's a mafia roleblocker, we won't get any info anyway and his day play can only be called a liability. If he is the mafia RB, yay for us!

Will settle for a dana lynch, since we'd only lose a VT there. Will not be voting Ythan today. But,

and this is important: people, who now post in the thread and don't have their vote on one of the wagons: Move your vote! We have less than two days before the extended deadline which was a gift from the mod.

[Dekes]

1) thil's play is consistent with that of an unexperienced player who - being a PR - is unable to scumhunt and relies too much on mechanics;
2) being unexperienced, there is no way he would invent such a crazy claim;
3) pine did not overreact to the report, and he did it on purpose, to have people think thil was scum

1) I disagree. A newbie, probably first time as a cop and his first guilty, I don't see anybody being completely passive towards their guilty, not even mentioning the guilty until being wagoned themselves. Imo the excitement over the guilty would outweigh the fear of being exposed as a cop.
2) Scum fakeclaiming cop with a guilty is hardly a crazy claim. The opposite actually. And don't forget: scum have daytalk.
3) Would that be different if they were buddies? I mean, if thil gets lynched and flips scum, Pine is basically cleared, no?


@thil
You said somewhere you had offsite mafia experience. Did you ever draw a cop there?

So our ultimate consensus is that we're not lynching thil and we're not lynching dana, despite his pleas to do so. Vote stays on Ythan, and I don't think there is anything in the thil or dana case that will convince us otherwise.
-Toast

So, you'd rather no lynch today than lynching a claimed VT, offering his death for information's sake? Gotcha.

Also, Dekes' claim is believeable, as N1 was N1 and had no result and blocked kills and crap like that.
YET, I think its just as likely to be scum as town.

Your tunneling is getting ridiculous.
1) Link me to a game with a scum mass roleblocker.
2) Tell me the benefits of a mafia that blocks everything during the night, including his faction's own kill.
3) Why would scum me claim unprovoked right now before night without any pressure? I did it to out the information I have and to stop NK speculation about the discrepancy in NKs that has no place right now close before deadline when we should discuss lynching business.

@dekes: I meditated about your claim. There are two questions I'd like to ask you, the first is easy, but I am not sure if it is a good idea to ask the second...
1) why did you decide to use a strong massblock ability - which in endgame transforms mylo into an ML - on night 1? Blocking kills on night 1 is borderline anti-town, because it prevents town from getting information... I'd have definitely waited a little longer to use it. Can you explain?
2) mmmh... let me put it this way. There has been a lot of flavour speculation lately, and part of it was used as a way to support ythan's genuinity. Do you have any comments about it?

1) Because Day 1 was a waste of time and words, period. I wanted to give us a clean slate and be Lelouch's/Jakalope's a free policy lynch for town. Sure, the optimal use of this role would be in MyLo, maybe even catching the scum in the progress. But I thought it to be too unlikely to happen and honestly, I thought, I played a decent town game back on D1 and didn't expect to make it to endgame. If I had known that the mass roleblock combined with the myriad of replacements would stall the game that much, I obviously would've reconsidered.
2) Not today. It becomes more relevant, once more people have flipped.

@Kdub
How far will your believe in thil's and Ythan's claims go? Is the fact they are un-cc'd in a closed setup, the only basis for your town reads on them?

Six hours to deadline, people! Move those votes!

Unvote; Vote: Dana

Seems to have the biggest chance of getting through in time. DH is still scum, he keeps ignoring the shit of this game.

[Dekes]

@TMH
Well, you got me there. They do exist in scum form. Never seen them and I'd still wager the disadvantages outweigh the benefits fopr such a role, but oh, well.

Besides you, Ythan is the only one who's expressed suspicion against me. Even your continued crusade against me hasn't changed that. lewarcher is mad, because he expects more activity from town Dekes, and rightfully so.

You thinking I'm a better vig shot than scummy non-contributors like DH and cp's is just further proof of your tunneling and an exclusive opinion among town.

I didn't suggest the alliance and I didn't actively pursue its agenda for at least a month, and neither did its other members. So stop misrepping me once again by saying that "my voting block failed".

[Dekes]

It's over and we won. Woohoo! And i saved myself N1 from a NK like a pro. Good to know.

Great job, especially Kdub and esurio for turning this game around after I died (coincidence?)!

we were killed for being obvtown.

Don't be silly, lol. You were killed for NK WIFOM and NK WIFOM only. A Kdub-TMH-Looker 3p-LyLo could've gone either way.

And kudos to Lew and PatB. As I said in the dead QT, if you had one more capable team mate or were a little bit luckier, this game would've been an embarrasing loss for town and a deserved scum win.

Here's the link to the dead QT: http://preview.quicktopic.com/46/H/x5ydARCvPQYtk

Night actions and role pms, please.

Jmj, thanks for modding, what due to a myriad of replacements really wasn't an easy game to mod.