A Gentleman's Game of Guile, Subterfuge, and Intrigue (Fin)

[vezokpiraka]

I'm V/La for this weekend. Expect me to come by later.

[vezokpiraka]

I'm here, you Badgers.

Aye came from da country. Ecspect nothin' mor' until I get unsleeepy.

[vezokpiraka]

*Hapciuuuuuuu*

Let me talk. Aye think that duc Spoonman here is probably a good gentlemwhatever.
Sar Him is tryin' to apeaaar good.

That's it fo'now.

[vezokpiraka]

You can't get da Speedlynch on myself if Fate is not helping you.

Dat post was cause ma' frien' AGM thinks that quickvoting in LyLo is not a bad thin'.

Don't read from him.

[vezokpiraka]

Aye is not voting.

[vezokpiraka]

Waz dat thingy you using mod to make loud noises?

[vezokpiraka]

Iou don' lik' da way I speak? (It's not a PR. I'm just trying to be amusing)

I think in my little head that this mate her' ,feysal, is a chap as good as me.

I'll answer for the stranger, ove' ther' later.

[vezokpiraka]

W'o d'ou think you are Longing?

Wha' hav' Aye don' wron'?
I thin' dat yu ar' a bad guy. The way you come here and thr'at'n me. Seems lik' yu' wan' me dead for being a good chap.

[vezokpiraka]

TheLonging continues to draw suspicion to himself by insisting on adherence to this daft policy; at least others have made tentative steps towards a body of evidence against him. Bearing no malice towards Sir kpaca, I must still note that thus far he has spoken less of serious subjects than Sir vezok. However, I see nobody measuring his neck for a hempen necktie.

Have I not presented good enough evidence for vezok being a wonderful policy lynch? I pointed out, along with others, how he doesn't contribute to town in nearly every single other gathering of gentlemen, and how he's a woeful detriment to town. As for his posts #2 and #6, they only state one read each and contribute nothing else. Everything else IS fluff.

(I'm sick so I don't feel like trying to stay in character )

Why d'you cons'er dat I won' provide contn't.

Dat image guy is not a rogue in my head right now. Kr0b lo'ks lik' a bad fella'.

vote Kr0b

Reasons later.

[vezokpiraka]

First, two unsettled matters:

Twistedspoon has singularly failed to address my question in post 59.

Spoiler: post 59

Thus I believed the reasoning to be random

Even despite this?

This vote is not one that I have cast in a random manner.

As for Apokalyptika's question: I thank you for clarifying your point further, in post 68. I now understand your reason for questioning my earlier post and regard the principle of your suspicion as reasonable, but its practical application in this instance to be excessive. To whit:

Spoiler: post 68

The reading material you gentleman have seen fit to share with us certainly elucidates the potential agonies we may all suffer if we allow vezokpiraka to remain part of our gathering.

Unvote; vote: vezokpiraka

Is Twistedspoon villainous in your eyes, Hoppster, for his preference for discussing celestial matters and other such frippery rather than actively scumhunting?

If so, I would caution that the hour is still early and others amongst us (e.g. StrangerCoug) have been no more committed to genuinely scumhunting as yet.

Or is there another reason for suspicion to be cast on Twistedspoon in particular?

The sentence I have here emphasized is the main focus of my suspicion. Not only do you make rash assumptions regarding the intentions of Sir Hoppster (there is a saying regarding the forming of assumptions, but it is far too crass to mention here) but you also specifically invoke the name of another, namely StrangerCoug. This strikes me as being a tad too emphatic for refuting the basis of a case that, at that time, had not been fully explained by Sir Hoppster.

I agree that putting words into another's mouth is generally a faux pas on occasions such as this. However the 'If' with which I began said paragraph should make it clear I was not assuming, but rather enquiring. I did not see myself as refuting Sir Hoppster's case, but rather seeking to confirm its nature, and check that it was sufficiently weighty to further discuss. And the 'e.g.' in the bolded sentence should make it clear that StrangerCoug's name was not 'specifically invoked' but 'invoked by way of example'.

Now, on to other concerns:

1. kr0b's mere echoing of Apokalyptika's point, in post 69, and his fluff post 71, have alarmed me to a stern degree. He is high on my list of rogues and rapscallions at this point.

2. Feysal's entrance pleases me, as does DemonHybrid. My belly rumbles in warning at inHimshallibe's first posts, but I am unsure why.

3. While vezokpiraka's manner of talking is crude, TheLonging is stretching a point when he says:

Vezok is posting fluff in every single post he's making now.

His iso#2 and iso#6 contain useful material. While still of a low proportion, I am inclined to

Unvote

and

Vote: kr0b

4.

If it really is the year 2011, how did the Duke of Spoon not recognize Sir vezokpiraka's use of the vernacular at the beginning of the game?

The Duke of Spoon had already been at the brandy, I suspect.

This is most interesting. I am the subject of a vote, it appears, but for what reason that is not to be seen on others? That I cannot tell. I echoed a point? Perhaps I simply agreed. And if one is t regard Post #71 as a fluff post, then one must also consider both of kpaca's posts' "fluff posts". Perhaps a special exception is made for myself, or perhaps Imaginality is simply brushing over and not considering the legitimacy of kpaca's posts because the young gentleman has only just arrived to the proceedings. Either way, I find it most peculiar to see Imaginality picking and choosing which posts he perceives as "fluff". Maybe the good sir needs to lay off of his whiskey.

And maybe kpaca needs to contribute more to this function, t'would be outlandishly noble, of course, if our friend kpaca's is willing to help find these rapscallions, rather than tag along and echo sentiments made by other esteemed guests, (namely the esteemed guests who seem to have more than a word or two to say).[/quote]


This post.

Kr0b freaked out because of a vote and asked for reasons. Townies don't do that. I didn't give reasons because I wanted to see his reaction. He is still scum.

Wii-hoo. Aye sai' dat with'ut mes'ing up.

[vezokpiraka]

Da game is stal'ing. Le's vote. Som'one.

[vezokpiraka]

good gosh Vezok, scraping the bottom of the barrel for a reason I see. Apparently according to our friend here gentlemen of good virtue merely sit and allow themselves to be voted upon without any good reasoning. That's utter pish-posh, sir, any townie, scummer or anyone would want to know the reasons behind why they have been voted for. I would link you to another current game running in which I asked for reasons when people started voting for me left, right and center but despite my death, the game continues.

I find it most fascinating that you wanted to wait to see my reaction when you placed your vote onto me, and when you did, however from three words, "No. Reason now.", you deduced that I "freaked out" and had shown myself as scum.

The problem is that you were so determined to get reasons from imaginality and defended against point of his.

It was just one vote. One. Townies don't get so defensive because of that. Scum do. I don't know how to explain it. It just happens.

[vezokpiraka]

unvote
vote TS,

Esq.

In cthulu speed mafia you were scum. You played somehow like here.
Also in Execution you were town and proclaimed every time someone suspected you that you are town.

You are playing like in Cthulu mafia here.

[vezokpiraka]

Not metagaming. Also agreeing with kpaca in general but that goes with my read of TS.

Also sorry for the confusion. I meant {REDACTED} not Execution.

[vezokpiraka]

You try to dismiss attention on you and fence sit a lot and hide in the shadows. Just like in Cthulu.

[vezokpiraka]

And I didn't mention vezok. Partly because I think he is talking crap.

good heavens, sir, but one's language has displaced a large amount of Twinings from my mouth

You should defend about that not post fluff. That just makes me happier with my vote. You are cocky as scum and don't defend. Just like here.

[vezokpiraka]

Twistedspoon, I beg of you to stop; much more of this nonsense and I fear that in my uproarious laughter I shall spill my tea.

Do you honestly expect anybody to take your requests seriously when you have several more pressing points outstanding?

I may address your query later today when I have more time.

For now, Twistedspoon, I would like you to take the hypothetical stance today that I am lynched.

a) I flip scum. Who do you suspect?
b) I flip town, same question.
c) In both cases, how do you expect people to read you?

In the meantime, UNVOTE: . I want everybody taking a firm stance on Twistedspoon and his wagon. I would hate it if those willing to vote him chickened out for fear of placing him at L-1.

So where shall I place my vote in the meantime? Don't want to be seen to chickening out by not voting... I know!

VOTE: Sir Hoppster

Oh. I see this post as an incredible scummy one.
WTF is going on in your mind. I really don't think this is a scum VS scum fight but both these people are soooo scummy.

I will stick to TS because I think the fluff posting is consistent with his scum game while hoppster does stupid shit like this sometimes.

[vezokpiraka]

I answered it.

I think TS is scummy because of the fluff he is posting. That is my position on him.

I never said only one of you could be scum. I actually said that this could be a scum VS scum fight but I maintain my position on TS.

[vezokpiraka]

Why did you say you agree with one sentence? That's like 2 types of fluff and active lurking.

[vezokpiraka]

a) Less likely. Although just by a slight margin.
b) More likely. Like 75% sure he'll flip scum.
c) Won't change my view on you. As much as I know you could've bussed a weak buddy.
d)Eh. Still won't change my view on you too much.

I view you as town btw.

[vezokpiraka]

From the top three candidates for lynch I support the TS wagon and the Kr0b wagon.

Obviously I don't support the wagon on myself.

[vezokpiraka]

From the top three candidates for lynch I support the TS wagon and the Kr0b wagon.

Obviously I don't support the wagon on myself.

explain why you supposrt a krob lynch

Because I think he is likely scum? Have you been reading the thread? Kr0b is my second suspect after.

[vezokpiraka]

Response to this post (above, but linked for ISO purposes):

Is your town-read on SC gut?

without having to read back, yes

And lynching me because I want to lynch you - how is this not OMGUS? Or is it OMGUS?

both. If it was another player you were targeting who I knew was a confirmed townie I would suspect you for the same reason. However it just so happens to be myself, so it looks like omgus I guess

DemonHybrid's post here:

What is the motivation behind TS posting the way he is? He's prodding for information. It should read off as very town. He's not ignoring information or misrepping people.

well I agree that I'm not misrepping people etc.
so what's the problem?

answers in bold

Stop doing that. It's annoying.

[vezokpiraka]

Sorry for being away.

Hammer ahoy on TS.

[vezokpiraka]

I remember someone thinking Longing was scum because he was suspecting me. Could that be the vig shot?

I mean I don't think the scum got two kills.

[vezokpiraka]

I tend to think "Murdered Most Foully" would not be the tag attributed to the kill of a vigilante.

So you think the kills came from a single source? I think there is no kill flavor.

[vezokpiraka]

vote: Sir V. Piraka

So let me get this. An unknown (as in role) person voted me , but then switched to TS.

The only way I can explain what you are saying is by thinking that hoppster is scum.

Wouldn't it make more sense to vote for hoppster?

unvote
vote

Sir

hoppster

Everything you said made me believe you are scum with hoppster and you forgot that we don't know hopster is scum.

[vezokpiraka]

vote: Sir V. Piraka

So let me get this. An unknown (as in role) person voted me , but then switched to TS.

The only way I can explain what you are saying is by thinking that hoppster is scum.

Wouldn't it make more sense to vote for hoppster?

unvote
vote hoppster

Everything you said made me believe you are scum with hoppster and you forgot that we don't know hopster is scum.

Either you have cast the wrong ballot, or I do not follow you at all. Surely you meant to designate Sir inHimshallibe as a potential rapscallion?

Sir inHimshallibe, while I understand your reason for not voting Sir Hoppster, I am sure someone as esteemable as you has another suspect. Surely this was not the best you can do.

I think inhim is scum together with hop. i think lynching hopster is the better way to go. I don't know how much that makes sense but for me it makes.

[vezokpiraka]

I find lord_hur scummier than AV in this argument.

[vezokpiraka]

Can you stop with the walls?

Nobody is reading them except you two.

I siad I think AV is town and lord hur scum.

[vezokpiraka]

Cause I'm voting for hoppster.

He is my biggest scum read.

[vezokpiraka]

Hmmm....

Why is nothing happening?

unvote
vote Lord_hur

I'm tired of your back and forth with AV.

[vezokpiraka]

Lord-hur claimed VT.

Hammer away.

[vezokpiraka]

Why are you so eager for us to lynch him?

I'm not eager.

Do you have anything else to say?

Does anyone have anything else to say?

Games stall because a townie is too afraid to hammer when the day should be over.

[vezokpiraka]

Ohai vezok.

To vezokpiraka: do you still believe me to be scum? If so, why?

UNVOTE:


Also:

Lord-hur claimed VT.

No... those two words

could

have been something along the lines of "FUCK OFF" (apologies for the language, but I feel it necessary here).

Why are you so quick to assume it was a VT claim? Why are you willing to hammer on a soft-VT claim without even waiting for a confirmation of the VT claim?

There is a strategy when playing VT that they don't claim when they have to be hammerred. If he was a PR he would've claimed.

I still think you're scummy.

[vezokpiraka]

This is the first game you play with me. That's why you don't know if I'm scum or not.

[vezokpiraka]

Just out of curiosity, do you guys really live in different countries like France and Finland and places in Europe?

Yes. I live in Romania.

Anyway. I don't see Lord-hur coming as town. I still think he is scum and I am going to pursue this wagon. Or Hoppster's.

[vezokpiraka]

I still think you're scummy.

For what reason(s)?

'Sup, vezok.

Other notes: I am noticing a large decrease in activity from AV and Hoppster (post length, general content)

What does that mean (in terms of your read on us) as a consequence?

I'm FUCKING furious to see my efforts at helping newbies called out at attempts to get any advantage. This would be utterly dishonorable. Newbies have to learn, and if your frame of mind was mainstream, no one would help them at all. Shame on you for doing this. That reminds me of that one time when I contemplated farside22 gaining extra info from normal use of her limited mod powers. I immediately and deeply apologized to her, even before she confronted me about it. I suggest you do the same. Insulting someone in this manner is very grave to me.

As much as I agree with what you're saying, the tone of this post is reading to me as scum who feels he has been caught out for a completely wrong reason.

Gut feeling.

[vezokpiraka]

@Hopp: I don't know. The tone of your posts seems to. Told you. Just a gut feeling.

[vezokpiraka]

Excuse me, but I've been making cases on you along with my vote. The ONLY person who was "attacking" you at the time I voted was Hoppster. This is

extreme

misrep - how can my vote be "gut" but also a "wall"? Are you honestly saying all I said in those walls was "Yeah, it's gut"? Really? You're saying those entire "Walls of Doom" contained zero reasons? By jove, you've basically nailed your own coffin shut.

Exactly. Zero reasons. I affirm every reason you gave was crap, and I never lie as town.

And I said gut, because you said you would lynch me no matter what. It is illogical, so it is gut (or scummy intent, but it's hard to tell one from the other).

Where have I said I need to find anything else to justify my vote? My vote was justified before you misrepped my voting history. And my reasoning never sucked when I voted scum (how could it?) - I said that I WIFOM'd my way out of it. I.e. I read him as scum, then thought about it too much and argued my self away (this is my common problem as town - Feysal might recall I caught a lot of flak for arguing both sides in SAIII). I'm tunnelling now because I'm trying to change that. Dogged persistence, what ho!

Tunnelling is anti-town. Period. Good town always look for alternatives, because they know that they can be wrong. Saying you're sure that someone is scum is immensely presomptuous. I myself typically vote for 2 or 3 persons before I commit to a lynch (mainly because I'm always very active, so I analyze and vote fast).

This post. And the one you talked about gut feelings are scummy.

In this post you say that tunneling is anti-town. Maybe. But people use. And it's effective in catching scum like you. You are under pressure and your problem is that you can't escape that pressure.
=[
The post where you said gut feelings are bad is bad. Town will always use gut feelings. When you try to find scum you'll always have some gut feelings from people. If you're scum and people post gut feelings it's bad because you have no case on them.

[vezokpiraka]

Gosh.

Don't vote Reya. Vote the Lord_hur scum.

If the lord flips scum then TT is going down for that post when he is defending him and trying to switch the town to reya.

[vezokpiraka]

Lord_hur needs to die.

Deadline is coming. Nearly half the players agree that he should die. The others are just to afraid to vote him.

[vezokpiraka]

Whaaaa?????

You claim cop 2 days before deadline?

I'm not buying that. You are scum that doesn't know how to save his skin.

[vezokpiraka]

I wanted to hammer.

unvote
vote reya

Why did the deadline make us lynch someone we didn't want?

[vezokpiraka]

Interesting.

vote imaginality

If even this guy is not scum I am lost.

[vezokpiraka]

Cleared by innocent investigation from a confirmed cop.

Wait.

I'm cleared and you send the info to a random newbie?

I don't like it. Something is fishy, but I don't dare lynch you right now.

unvote

Tat means hoppster and inhim are scum.

[vezokpiraka]

OMG, I JUST THOUGHT OF SOMETHING!

I remember the mod saying, that he could confirm about the pm I recieved from him saying that imaginality was town and all that, so I think that confirms imaginality, and me as town. (You guys may not be 100% sure I'm town, but I don't think scum would reveal that kind of information.)

Actually they will confirm this information for townie points and if they don't imaginality would claim he sent something to you and you'll lie ad then you go in a 1v1 which is bad for scum.

[vezokpiraka]

I think we have to move on with the game. It's stagnating.

[vezokpiraka]

unvote
vote inhim

Yep he's probably scum. I think hopp is scum with him too.

[vezokpiraka]

unvote

I'll vote TT if everyone is ok and we want to end the day.

[vezokpiraka]

Nope. They'll kill inhim.

If we lynch scum and inhim kills scum we're not in MyLO anymore.

That is the best way to go.

[vezokpiraka]

vote TT

[vezokpiraka]

Yeah. Mass claim is good.

[vezokpiraka]

I prefer not to reveal my role.

Seeing as Lord hur confirmed me I want to keep the scum guessing.

If people want me to claim I'll claim.

[vezokpiraka]

Ok, this might be a stupid question, but is there anyway to weed out the liars?

Well no.

Simply because everyone claimed VT.

[vezokpiraka]

unvote
vote TT

Hammer.

[vezokpiraka]

I'm town...sorry guys

Fuck.

This reaction post is sooooo townie.
But there is no way you aren't scum, unless there is scum in imaginality and jyl.

[vezokpiraka]

Yup ,TT is scum.

[vezokpiraka]

The thing is TT didn't get quickhammered.

If the scum got RBer this would've been Game over.

On the TT wagon me and inhim are confirmed so there is still one scum out there who didn't try to hammer if TT is town. I see no reason for that to now happen.

[vezokpiraka]

someone hammer already.

[vezokpiraka]

...What do you mean by "it's no fault of your own,you can come clean."

If you are scum we already know that. So you can claim if you want.

[vezokpiraka]

We need to end this day.

We can atalk about other scum tomorrow after we see the NK.

[vezokpiraka]

love how absolutely no one thinks I'm town. lol. well, I am. I wasn't faking, i really thought i was hammered. I also thought vezok was really scummy for it. He's used his "confirmed" status to his advantage, yet lord_hur never outright said "HETOWNGUSY"

I know I am town, someone else said I'm probable town. We are probably in LyLo with three scums. Did you have a strong scum read on me and felt that even cop investigations couldn't force you to change it?


Also Jyl gave me an idea. Could there be two scums? I know I've been in games with a vig and only two scums.

[vezokpiraka]

Ehh...possibly. I think it'd be more likely with inHim SK than town vig, though. Actually, since he can shoot every night, two scum might be the right bet (pulling things out of nowhere atm but thinking about it from that angle, one-shot OR even/odd night vig + three scum is more likely based on the number of kills per night and balancing against that, than a full vig would be...) - which would trash most of the scumteam theories I've been bandying around. Hmm. Not sure how to place a full SK in this situation.

ALSO, if scum have RB + GF + Goon like I said earlier, setup WIFOM makes me think its balanced in their favour. Just RB + GF though could be workable, though...and if Jily is scum it's also possible she slipped that there's two scum members rather than three. OTOH Feysal has said her games have had two scumzz in them so its tough to read much into it.

Fey covering up for jyl?

Interesting. That's why they didn't hammer. They are only two.

@Inhim: Shoot feysal tonight. If you get blocked both fey and jyl are scum

[vezokpiraka]

Yep.

We are in MyLo , with a dead SK and the scum have a RBer. I say we no lynch.

[vezokpiraka]

If we are lynching one of jilly or Feysal I think I can go behind it.

Also something is still wrong. Yesterday TT was at L-1 for a long time. Both the scums must've been on his wagon because I think any scum would've hammered just because the day was dragging.

[vezokpiraka]

imaginality, AurorusVox, PhD, jilynne1991

One of this three is scum.

TheLonging, Sir Hoppster, imaginality

One of this three is scum

ToastyToast, vezokpiraka, jilynne1991

One is scum.

Reya wagon was a little weird and I don;t know what to make of it.
inHimshallibe,, imaginality, jilynne1991

At least one is scum. Could be a lot more.

imaginality, AurorusVox, PhD, jilynne1991

At least one is scum.


That narrows it down to jyl and imginality.
Or AV and jyl.

Anyway Jyl must day.

I'm not seeing feysal - jyl scum team though.

[vezokpiraka]

unvote
vote jyl

[vezokpiraka]

Yeah. Jyl is scum here.

Imaginality i trying to bail the wagon at least moment and adds some fearmongering in there.

V/la until the 9th

[vezokpiraka]

vezok I'm 100% behind this jilynne lynch. I don't know where you got the impression I'm not?

Hmm sorry. I'm still waking up.

[vezokpiraka]

I'm back.

Jylly is still scum.

And AV is pretty townie right now.

[vezokpiraka]

Yes we won. Another good job form town vezo.

Neailed the scum team.