A Gentleman's Game of Guile, Subterfuge, and Intrigue (Fin)

[inHimshallibe]

Good sirs, my sincerest apologies for my absence. Allow me to make a few arrangements with the houseservants and I shall make haste in exposing these scads.

[inHimshallibe]

What manner of uncouth tongue is this? Had I the wherewithal and means, I'd have you beaten and given a proper course in grammar!

[inHimshallibe]

Great Scot! My good sir, Twistedspoon, let me lend you a hand up. From what I've observed of you thus far, you are one I know I can trust amongst this gallery of lurking hoodlums.

[inHimshallibe]

*gallery of

[inHimshallibe]

Your keen wit and eye for the others in attendance doth betray your noble lineage, good sir. I would not think a Rapscallion or Rogue would take such an early command of the gathering's goings-on. Your deliberation in pursuing even the earliest of leads in sniffing out villainy bolster my confidence.

[inHimshallibe]

Off the cuff of my gentleman's suit, I feel a nervous excitement from Hoppster and another installment of the arduous rigmarole that awaits gentlemen showing early hospitality to young V. Piraka.

I am not ready to attribute Hoppster's behavior to that of a gentleman or else-wise. As I finish my diligences I will attempt to grace you with logick and reason to follow my lead.

[inHimshallibe]

Also I bid you well him, I believe our paths have crossed at some point in the distant past?

Why do you find Spoon to be such a trustworthy fellow?

I believe I've regaled you once of his good fashion, but Duke Spoon has shown an eager approach, responding to near any and everything. I'm quite fond of this opening, and am only remorse I was not around from the drop of the hat in this diversion to conduct myself in a manner similar to that of Duke Spoon. Tragic, yes, but I shall make myself a most visible presence in due circumstance.

[inHimshallibe]

Your deliberation in pursuing even the earliest of leads in sniffing out villainy bolster my confidence.

Perchance, is this an observation made in jest? Alas, I fear our good friend inHim has sustained a knock to the head from falling out of his carriage in his rush to minimise the social stigma afforded to one so fashionably late.

Nay, good sir, it is quite obvious the Duke has been joshing over semantics with you first, erstwhile his musings elsewhere have keyed me into this most fortunate of discoveries, which is a post branching off from the verbal jousting with yourself, Sir Hoppster, to ask others which Gentlemen are not what they seem. His reasoning vis-a-vis your retaliatory suspicion is a fair point as well, as I see no pertinent logick in casting a wary monocle on the fair Duke Spoon.

[inHimshallibe]

As an aside, I absolutely adore this particular form of merriment.

[inHimshallibe]

A return greeting, Sir Boose! Quite the assortment congregated at the lodge, you think?

I would be remiss to not mention my eager anticipation to hear more from Sir Feysal.

[inHimshallibe]

I'm going to ask all of you; why do you not have a vote on vezok?

It is of my complete understanding that vezokpiraka has declined to make useful contributions to out discussion; however, I wish to pursue somebody that I see as a bigger threat to the lodge. I am not afraid to change my mind, however, and if my lead on Twistedspoon expires, then I shall work to evict vezokpiraka.

My good chap, Sir Coug, I'm a bit wary of the hedges you are cultivating. Your suggestion that you would turn from Sir Twistedspoon directly to Sir V. Piraka seems especially nearsighted. What keeps you from this change at this stage of the game?

[inHimshallibe]

I'm going to quickly abandon the gentleman talk for a short while because I have to hurry.

I'm going to ask all of you; why do you not have a vote on vezok? If you don't support the policy lynch, why? And don't give me the "He might be a PR" crap. Vezok is posting fluff in every single post he's making now. I'm going to assume that if you have a crappy reasoning for not lynching vezok, that vezok is scum with you. I'm serious. This has worked for me before in other games with policy lynches on irc and offsite.

When I come back I'll go answer you guys and not just skim page 4.

Sir Longing, I never voted Sir V. Piraka out of some sense of patience. I've yet to see the good sir posit particularly worse thinking than the other combatants.

I contest that at this stage of the affair, the ball behind the policy lynch is not rolling along as you may have planned. It is of utmost import we do not quibble and prevaricate around the bush, as it were, and then approach a deadline eviction merely on policy. I will redeem the time I've lost through the weekend quite thoroughly today, and hope to see Sir Longing spurring our dialogue in a fashion disparate from that of Sir V. Piraka.

[inHimshallibe]

Egads! I've been struck with the evilest of migraines the past twenty-four hours plus.

[inHimshallibe]

Sir vezok, this is not acceptable. Such a call to action as you made is a transparent attempt to appear to contribute, while in actuality you accomplish nothing. I would appreciate seeing thoughts on more people in this game, as well as entertaining more of a dialogue with kr0b (which you should be eager to do, as you claim suspicion of him). There is no reason why a gentleman should refrain from following leads and presenting reads, so I shall

Uvote

and

Vote: Sir Vezok

.

I have found a fitting suspect, methinks.

I will duly elaborate in time, after my tea.

[inHimshallibe]

furthermore, I note how your activity has shot up when I suspected you

scumtell in my book

This, my good sir, is a reach.

[inHimshallibe]

I do believe I've refreshed myself of the current situations to participate in the present.

Hoppsy, my dear, I think the prevarication and shouting match you've found yourself in with Twistedspoon is a fray of folly. At this point I think emotion is controlling you as a confounding couple and you could use some time outside of the Chunnel, as it were. Spoon, Esq. looks the worse of you two, but many a time have I been blinded in rage as a townie.

If Spoon were not as active as he is, his actions might garner more suspicion with me, but I will not push to evict someone producing as many posts, and therefore by some byproduct, content. The squeaky wheel gets the grease, and all that, dear Hoppsy, and I think we're seeing a direct corollary of said rumination.

As for yourself, my dear Hoppsy, your points are logical in regards to Spoon, Esq. and you make several decent rebuttals. But, again, I think emotion has taken deep root and you will not be able to see eye-to-eye with Twistedspoon for a good while and so I do not doubt your position is genuine, but that your premise is biased.

[inHimshallibe]

Now, who is taking advantage of the name-calling to push Spoon, Esq. out the door?

[inHimshallibe]

Sirs K. Paca and V. Piraka - dare I ask if you two share a common lineage a bit down the family tree? Anyway, those two at first glance to be voting Spoon, Esq. in earnest.

I've located the faker.

[inHimshallibe]

vote: Sir Apokalyptika

This is a matter of feel, a certain je ne sais quoi to his voting patterns. I think Sir Boose has a valid point that Sir Apokalyptika's voting patterns have changed stances until he has found a firm footing of popularity.

In other words, I get the sense of feces being flung at the wall, and hoping for something to stick.

[inHimshallibe]

I am somewhat amused by Sir Hoppster choosing to vote himself. Every time I've seen that happen someone has pointed out that self-voting is a useful ploy for mafia to gather sympathy

as I thought too

My dear Spoon, Esq., you've relinquished context from Sir Feysal's post. Sir Feysal ascertains the vote-for-self method more telling for a true Gentleman.

[inHimshallibe]

Sir Hoppster is truly a Gentleman. I will not give up the faith on Twistedspoon, Esq. so quickly, but do not side with him in the current argument between those two.

[inHimshallibe]

In words not so eloquent as our own, a dear friend of mine would often respond to tripe like this with simply:

Why did you say you agree with one sentence? That's like 2 types of fluff and active lurking.

not helpful

[inHimshallibe]

Uncomfortable premonitions surfacing regarding Sir Boose...

Sir Hoppster clearly thinks he has a case. That you cannot locate it is your own fault, nay my good sir?

[inHimshallibe]

You misinterpret my meaning, methinks, Sir Boose. Sod all that you truly have a firm stance on the behavior of Twistedspoon, Esq. and Sir Hoppster. I found it a tad dubious you found it trifling and absurd to consider what Sir Hoppster had to say about Twistedspoon, Esq. because Sir Hoppster had not put forth a condensed summary of that which regards our dear Spoon.

[inHimshallibe]

My apologies, gents. Our gracious host has asked me to speak up a trifle more often, and I will humbly acquiesce to his request. I hope to not bother him so in the future.

Be that as it may, I would direct your attention to Sir Hybrid's parsing of Sir Longing's request to evict Sir V. Piraka on policy. I most certainly thought he was earnest in his endeavor, unfruitful as it was. I deign to ponder that Sir Hybrid was not attempting some sort of framing of Sir Longing? What say you, good gentlemen? I think it obvious Sir Hybrid misinterpreted Sir Longing's actions, though was it intentional or accidental?

For myself, I find his actions honest, though I would request Sir Hybrid to give a more thorough examination to his fellow gentlemen's words and possible motivations.

And my vote, currently residing on the board next to Sir Apokalyptika's name, has no reason to change, methinks. I expected some sort of rebuttal, inconsequential as they may come to rebut a point such as the one I made, and the shunning of my suspicion merely draws more from myself.

[inHimshallibe]

vote: Sir K. R0b

I am in favor of action. Sir Apokalyptika's post could be read as a response to me, so I grant a small reprieve, though I would be remiss if I did not mention how much I would appreciate to be addressed directly every now and again. Of the other votes, I disagree with those voting Twistedspoon, Esq. and Sir V. Piraka, thinking them to be more likely on gentlemen than any form of villainy. Sir Imaginality seems clear-headed enough to follow, though I will evaluate myself as today wears on.

This post is a call to action, gents.

[inHimshallibe]

Why do you only have a town

read

on yourself?

My good sir, this is the point when the gander gives up the goose to catch her another day.

[inHimshallibe]

Sir srtanger, could you not jot down a couple sentences/ I would much appresice your thoughts, however brief.

To begin, both seemed overly concerned about how they present themselves to us at one time.

In addition, Sir vezokpiraka pushed us to find someone to evict when he was not helping in the matter himself. There may be a connection as Twistedspoon, Esq. appeared to be defensive of Sir vezokpiraka.

In my ponderings of dialogue past, I do not remember this at first recall in regards to Sir V. Piraka. I do see how one could attribute posturing to much of Twistedspoon, Esquire's posting.

Having said that, I suppose I do prefer a Twistedspoon, Esquire eviction to a Sir V. Piraka expulsion.

[inHimshallibe]

The longer it takes Sir K. R0b to stop by, the more I am want to keep the ballot headed his direction.

[inHimshallibe]

Sigh. With the two Sirs requesting replacement, I feel some amount of effort has been wasted.

[inHimshallibe]

1) that town never confuse abbreviations
2) that the IIOA was reffering to the whole of your post, not just the part where you IIOA my claim
3) that the information in IIOA is true information

assumptions. oh dear

What else was there to assume? You've crossed the threshold now, Spoon, Esq. You mean to imply that you didn't actually know what IIOA meant, when the context of you using it certainly implied otherwise? But, then, when Sir Hoppster turns this back on you for (at best) a subconscious, semantical point you try to ruin the whole of your case just to save face?

No, good sir, it is time for you to leave. My patience has worn thin. If there is no other discussion to be had today (replacements, or otherwise) I will cast my ballot accordingly.

[inHimshallibe]

Dastardly deeds, indeed. I will make a review of Sirs Coug and Longing for possible information to be gleaned from their death.

[inHimshallibe]

If I may speak a bit more plainly.

Sir Toast, my patience with Twistedspoon, Esq. had worn to the point of feeling I could be wrong on my initial read and that the Day was best ended with his expulsion. I'm sorry you feel I was lukewarm about the situation. I disagree on your claims of my "wishy-washy" manners. Could you understand how my zeal may wane as a person I have defended commits atrocity after pitfall? I think the true devils in disguise would be those joining the Twistedspoon, Esq. ballot after the hissing between he and Sir Hoppster.

And of course I spent significant time on the discussion; the feuding of Sir Hoppster and the late Twistedspoon, Esq. kept rearing its ugly countenance again and again. My votes came away from those two because I still feel both of them grasped at every loose straw in the barn (a town tell in my books) to keep the argument going for the other's eviction, and I said as such.

Lord Hur, first let me say I am humbled to be in the presence of my lordship. Secondly, I'm quite curious you would vote for Sir Hoppster, though it may benefit us, as Sir Imaginality's words are strange to me.

Sir Imaginality, I too at first felt Lord Hur was attempting to establish some inequality between myself and Sir Hoppster, but this was just one point of many he uses in his argument to cast a ballot. What do you personally feel about the point that Lord Hur raised in his first reason? What of the other reasons that Lord Hur gives to vote for Sir Hoppster?

I think that for too long villainy has been allowed to kill with impunity. I dare not say that a whole case be built upon the words of the dead, rest them, but if there is evidence compelling enough among Sirs Coug or Longing pointing to a certain individual, it should not be missed.

[inHimshallibe]

And, Lord Hur, let me now present to you all what I have found.

[inHimshallibe]

For Sir Coug, his suspicion of Sir V. Piraka was only masked by his want to see Twistedspoon, Esq. shot. I do not see what Sir Hoppster references as a sign to Sir Coug's protection of him. I only have a guess that Sir Coug was killed directly, and not via proxy (through his protection of another). That is only my speculation.

Sir Longing pushed hard for the policy lynch of Sir V. Piraka, and provided little content otherwise pertinent to Today's discussion.

That both would target attackers of Sir V. Piraka both raise and lower my suspicion of him. It could be a setup from one kill, but it could be genuine preservation tactics from the other kill.

All in all, I only slightly turn my gaze to Sir V. Piraka and not fully. I would enjoy that he spend more time and effort with us Today.

[inHimshallibe]

I tend to think "Murdered Most Foully" would not be the tag attributed to the kill of a vigilante.

[inHimshallibe]

Where has TS shown any sign of information-hunting, I must ask?

Theoretically, yes, posting in the way he is could be a way of seeking information and it could be his motivation. But read his posts and tell me: do you honestly believe this is the case?

ISO TS.

I'd like you to explain to me whether or not you feel the following posts of his were information-hunting posts or not:

7, 10, 15, 19, 20, 25, 29

We'll start off with these posts at the moment. Why did you believe they were fake, if so? You want me to answer whether I "honestly believe" that he was information hunting.

Yeah, the argument could have been made saying "Well, he's only creating questions to make it seem like he's scumhunting", but looking at these questions, they fit both town and scum motivation and that point is just a complete null.

I don't think your justification of lynching him was sincere.

This was pretty obvious for as much reaching as Hoppster did. Town-tell though, imo. TS eventually condemned himself to others.

[inHimshallibe]

Well, I must say I am a trifle embarrassed to have overlooked these two posts.

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 1#p2989171
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 3#p2989293

Hoppster: what, exactly, changed?

[inHimshallibe]

I don't think your justification of lynching him was sincere.[/b]

This was pretty obvious for as much reaching as Hoppster did. Town-tell though, imo. TS eventually condemned himself to others.

You state this as a fact, Sir inHimshallibe, but I am really curious as to what was so condemning in your eyes.

Didn't see you in the corner, sir.

Twistedspoon, Esq.'s style of play was not compatible with much of the gentry. He was also rather chatty and pitted himself against Sir Hoppster, which encouraged others to pick sides between the two. Of the two, Hoppster presented better sounding arguments, and so garnered more support against his rival. With a deadline looming, there was even more reason to choose between Sir Hoppster and Twistedspoon, Esq., and so his poor play doomed himself to the shooting line.

I was not encouraged to vote for Twistedspoon, Esq. until what I perceived to be his ultimate pratfall, which was the whole backtracking of vernacular regarding Information Instead of Analysis.

[inHimshallibe]

Well, I must say I am a trifle embarrassed to have overlooked these two posts.

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 1#p2989171
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 3#p2989293

Hoppster: what, exactly, changed?

I must admit you lost me there. What did you see in these minutes?

Great Scot!

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 6#p2989226

Sir Hoppster takes away his banter with Twistedspoon, Esq. to focus on a policy execution of Sir V. Piraka, and then in his next post decides that's not such a grand idea after all, instead claiming his initial vote on Twistedspoon, Esq. was indeed a better one?

I admit, with the speculation rampant on the Night Killings and this possible link between Sirs Hoppster and V. Piraka, it may be time for our Texan gentleman to... well, to be polite... "eat lead."

[inHimshallibe]

vote: Sir V. Piraka

[inHimshallibe]

I was not encouraged to vote for Twistedspoon, Esq. until what I perceived to be his ultimate pratfall, which was the whole backtracking of vernacular regarding Information Instead of Analysis.

Yes, that is exactly what I do not understand. The activity you describe, while obviously contemptible, was terrible play for both gentlemen and imposters. Just in the assembly you hosted a week ago, I caught several persons in blatant lies and backtracking, yet they were, except for one, actually innocent. I sure know how infuriating it is (I would personally punch square in the face anyone who lies when innocent, for whatever reason), but such attitude cannot be used, in my opinion, as main cause for a good case. It is a hint about stupidity, much less about alignment.

It is clear that it was Twistedspoon, Esq.'s hubris and not his villainy that was revealed after all that, indeed. It was a failure to locate which was the correct interpretation, and again, my patience had worn thin.

As for your burning ears, do you think I'm going about the Hoppster/v. Piraka situation backwards? I find there to be enough evidence to push Sir V. Piraka, though I guess if that's enough for him, it is also enough to relieve us of Sir Hoppster, as well. Ah, logic.

[inHimshallibe]

As for your burning ears, do you think I'm going about the Hoppster/v. Piraka situation backwards? I find there to be enough evidence to push Sir V. Piraka, though I guess if that's enough for him, it is also enough to relieve us of Sir Hoppster, as well. Ah, logic.

Alright, I will explain myself now, then. I understood the ballot changing you quoted as a (very ill-concieved) trap for Sir Twistedspoon. That Sir V. Piraka's name appeared was, as I see it, purely fortuitous.

This may indeed be the very reason it did not garner more attention in the first place. Quite quite.

I find the amount of credit you seem to place in my opinion quite surprising. A suspecting gentleman would be concerned for what could be viewed as alignment knowledge.

You're the only other gent up at this hour; it'd be quite rude to just ignore you.

[inHimshallibe]

vote: Sir V. Piraka

So let me get this. An unknown (as in role) person voted me , but then switched to TS.

The only way I can explain what you are saying is by thinking that hoppster is scum.

Wouldn't it make more sense to vote for hoppster?

unvote
vote hoppster

Everything you said made me believe you are scum with hoppster and you forgot that we don't know hopster is scum.

Emphasis mine.

Yes, I went over the bold in a previous point, and since Lord Hur has demonstrated this alleged "trap" I have no more reasoning than the Nightkill analysis.

unvote

I am still quite wary to vote Sir Hoppster. Everything he posted throughout the First Day seemed of an overzealous Gentleman, and I said as much time and again.

[inHimshallibe]

Ha! I didn't include the bold tags, but you all probably get the gist.

[inHimshallibe]

Hmm, I do see some points corroborating your analysis.

Sir inHimshallibe, what are the "link" and the "speculation" you spoke about in message #449? And if my frowning is not hint enough, I urge you to be frank and straightforward.

The link between Sir Hoppster and Sir V. Piraka involved that series of posts I referred to. Sir Hoppster jumps from his random vote to Sir V. Piraka, citing possible policy lynch implications. Without another mention of the policy ballot, he switches back to Twistedspoon, Esq. and begins the long argument against Twistedspoon, Esq. we were faced with on the First Day. IF Sir V. Piraka were to be scum, I would finally entertain the notion of evicting Sir Hoppster.

The murder speculation mostly developed from myself, but both victims had cast wayward eyes toward Sir V. Piraka.

[inHimshallibe]

Thank you. Last question : do you see any argument to refute Sir V. Piraka's assertion about an eventual ungentlemanly relation between you and Sir Hoppster?

Neither of us are scum? I suppose I had covered that one already.

You are one for further explanation, though, so:
If Sir Hoppster is a villain, I will have hitched my cart to the wrong horse, it would seem. To link me to Sir Hoppster is to create me a victim of my conviction.

[inHimshallibe]

Apart from Sir Hoppster, I lean that Sir Imaginality is a gentlemen, and then below that our more vocal replacements.

Sir Hoppster

Sir Feysal
Sir Imaginality

Lord Hur
Sir Toasty

the rest - this group is far too large.

Given that my ballot cast for Sir V. Piraka was poorly formed, I will take a fresh look at this last group. Sirs Cookiebringer and K. Paca I feel we have particular interest in picking through their limited contributions.

[inHimshallibe]

It is my grand pleasure that Sir Vox should join us. I had business matters over the weekend, and expect a full day today, though I would be remiss if 'twere come to pass that I could not share my thoughts in the passing hours.

[inHimshallibe]

As with any replacement, Sir Toast has brought an air or rejuvenation and life back to the role played by Sir K. R0b, which is a positive, but I am not sure the words he presents to us are also positive. I do not agree with his trio of terror in the least, so that causes trepidation. In all honesty, I am in dire need to review my notes on this gathering, which I will complete posthaste, and I ask I get to speak before anyone is executed.

[inHimshallibe]

Salutations, Sir Jilynne.

vote: Sir Cookiebringer

As a dear friend of mine once said, post or perish. I dislike the current votes on Lord Hur, and am working on a summation as I speak now.

[inHimshallibe]

I have reviewed the minutes onceover and have a prioritized list for eviction and execution.

Highest priority falls on Sir Cookiebringer. Sir Apokalyptika did not instill any Gentlemanly confidence within myself, and discussing policy lynches in nearly half of his posts loses even more faith on my part. Sir Cookiebringer's content has been... less than stellar.

Unfortunately, next on my list is Sir Jilynne. Sir D. Hybrid did not fully engage with us, and I did at one point express concern that he was misrepresenting Sir Longing's stance on the policy votes.

Yes, my two highest priorities are low-participation members of our club, though I think the participation one would find from these members is not very Gentlemanly at all.

Next, the foggy area of my list. I barely and only vaguely recall any of the input from Sirs Feysal and Imaginality, though at one point I do remember feeling the good vibes from both of these esteemed members. Sirs Toast and V. Piraka I remember much more vividly, which is a favorable point. However, I do not hold a true converse to that of my earlier suspicions; I find lurking detestable, but I do not reward mere participation with a gold star. I don't agree with a single of Sir Toast's conclusions, and Sir V. Piraka seems to have settled into familiar patterns. Finally, I have developed a nebulous read of Lord Hur. Sir Boose shook my confidences, but Lord Hur's entrance to the game seemed rather stunning. Particularly, I find his dogged determinism a Gentleman trait and not that of Villainous desperation. When I have more time I would like to break down the wagon against Lord Hur.

Lastly, I put my confidence in Sir Hoppster and AurorusVox, PhD. Toward the middle of the First Day, I remember feeling rather inspired by Sir K. Paca, and Sir Hoppster gave off Chunnel Syndrome rather radiantly. Vox, PhD's postings are indeed rather .

These are more than whims, but I have not time to develop this post further. I wish to get into real meat with my foggy area as this Second Day progresses. I actually lean Gentleman for all of that group, I think, but numbers dictate that I am surely wrong.

[inHimshallibe]

@inhim: could you explain your vote on Reya in more depth? Is this entirely based on lurking?

No, not entirely, but a fair deal of it is centered around Sir Cookiebringer's lack of participation and generally unhelpful content when poking in to see to affairs.

Still reviewing.

[inHimshallibe]

Sir Jilynne, the point you are trying to elucidate is not too far off the mark, though still a tinge misguided. As it were, the Rogues and Rapscallions would very much care about being lynched or not, as there are fewer of them than Gentlemen in our midst. As such, a loss of one of them is a much severer blow to their organization. However, impassioned Gentlemen must also care about not being a mislynch, as it is important to be counted as an Upstanding Citizen which makes it easier to root out those Lower Individuals.

[inHimshallibe]

I concur with the other gentlemen. To be quite honest, I'm not very heavily invested into the game right now as it grinds to a wall-tastic halt.

[inHimshallibe]

I will vote Lord Hur to avoid a deadline passing with no execution. I will review the thread before I do such.

[inHimshallibe]

Sir Hoppster--I am pretty much shocked by his stance on TS. I cannot mention any games in particular, but I can mention the fact that you hydra together. I recognize TS as being a very whimsy player, one who comes of as scummy because of his apparent love for WIFOM. Also, your declaration that he ABSOLUTELY CAN'T BE SCUM. Does TS ordinarily make cases? nope. I have played a game with just Hoppster as well, and got strong town vibes when compared to this game.

Yes, it's true, TS's play is somewhat... 'erratic'.

However, just because Twistedspoon does X as town does not mean he doesn't do X as scum.

There was more to this case, such as the misrepresentation (which I still cannot understand) he did.

1. Following my experience, rapscallions often comment in the post immediately following a kill, because they had a hand in the act and thus have this problematic of the reason for killing in mind. Which Sir Hoppster did.
2. Furthermore, he did not mention the one thing most peculiar about the night : that there were two murders, and not one. This strikes me as quite unfair unless special mechanics are at work, but of course, the actual killers should not be surprised, and indeed would be less likely to mention it. Also about this mass murder, the modus operandi of tonight's deaths is very different from the first one. I think this might be an important clue to guess their abilities.
3. During his most expansive reaction to the late Twistedspoon, Esq.'s death, the only argument he brings forth is OMGUS voting (thus it must be the most important for him), yet I do not find this reason in his message #51, which he claimed regrouped his reasons for voting him.
4. I do not agree with these reasons : while they are indicative of bad play, I do not think these mistakes are more likely to be made by scum than by town.
5. He seemed quite fast in taking Twistedspoon, Esq.'s claim as a miller for acurate. As for me, someone who lied in the past (he did claim a role he has not) I would not have believed him to be gentlemen-aligned right away (even in twilight). Of course, if he knew Twistedspoon, Esq. to be gentlemen-aligned, this reaction would make sense.

And since this is my best lead as of now, I will :

VOTE: Sir Hoppster

Of course, alleviating these concerns might lead me to rescind my vote.

1. Are you suggesting I was involved in both kills?

2. ... what? A post saying "OMG 2 DEATHS" surely would be a scum-tell by your logic in 1. That makes no sense. Further to this, why should I need to mention that there were 2 deaths when everybody can see that? What everybody

couldn't

necessarily see is that they were odd deaths, which is why I pointed it out.

3. This is badly taken out of context. It's not until here (my ISO #54) that I pick up on Twistedspoon's lack of case/OMGUS vote. That comes after my summary in #51.

4. I fail to see how me interpreting posts differently to you makes me a villain.

5. Where do I say I buy the miller claim in paticular? It was more the "WTF HE'S ACTUALLY TOWN" thing that felt like a punch to the face and prompted twilight rage.

VOTE: lord_hur

Weak, weak case. He also leaves himself a nice escape route with his vote, which is rather suspicious.




As I've said, I found both TheLonging and StrangerCoug slightly scummy, so I am thinking that perhaps it was rival scum shooting for each other (having said that, if there were multiple scum factions, I would expect slightly different kill flavour, but eh).

Sir Hoppster votes Lord Hur for a "Weak, weak case" + "escape route." Sir Hoppster seems to take retaliatory voting to heart. I believe in this instance the vote is of the "You Suck" manner than anything else, which is quite consistent to the Twistedspoon, Esq. back-and-forth Day 1.

[inHimshallibe]

Sir Toast's vote for Lord Hur comes after a reassessment of Sir Hoppster. http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 8#p3066098 What I find intriguing is that with the reassessment of Sir Hoppster a different Rogue or group of Rogues were suggested, merely that Sir Hoppster wasn't as off as Sir Toast had previously thought. I suppose my main beef with the Lord Hur vote is that Sir Hoppster proposed a team of Rogues, and so it wouldn't matter if he were voting Lord Hur or Sir Hoppster at that instance if he thought both to be on the same team. Then words are shared that are enough to warrant a vote of Sir Hoppster, but Sir Toast does not go on to reassess a newly possible team.

A. Vox, PhD's case http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 5#p3061805 on Lord Hur seems to boil down to the most recent posts by Lord Hur at the time. In rereading the thread it seems very kneejerk to assume that someone attacking the other side of a duel (TS, Esq. and Sir Hoppster D1) is scum looking for an "easy ballot." Perhaps this is a slip on A. Vox, PhD's part, as he seems to be certain Lord Hur is picking on a Gentleman...

[inHimshallibe]

Also, yes, I am quite aware of Lord Hur's claim, and I have to say I believe it. Help me bar the door against Sir Cookiebringer, since he never cared to enter the room in the first place.

I will continue the assessment of the Day, and in particular Lord Hur's wagon, throughout my business hours.

[inHimshallibe]

Come, gents. Let us rid ourselves of this burden and carry on the game in a fresher state of mind on the morrow.

[inHimshallibe]

Most suspicious:

Sir Imaginality
Sir Jilynne

Slightly less suspicious:

Sir Toast
Sir Feysal

Gentleman reads:

AurorusVox, PhD
Sir Hoppster

Will not vote:

Sir V. Piraka
Sir Him

The above is how I would break the game down.

I called forth my intent to hammer as a matter of gameplay. I saw no other way to convince those on Lord Hur to abandon their balloting, and I will always acquiesce to the majority when it comes to choosing between an Lynch or No Lynch.

It is with remorse that I apologize for not keeping up amid the daunting conversations occurring, but I do intend to make things right going forward.

With two quick ballots from men I consider Gentlemanly, I will properly review my suspicion of Sir Imaginality. If there are three Rogues remaining, this is an important decision.

[inHimshallibe]

Jilynne and Imaginality are definitely town.

vote: ToastyToast

- scumclaim in asking why vezok was cleared again. He probably bussed Hoppster on his list, and I just don't see AVox being scum.


ToastyToast, Feysal, Hoppster. There you have it gents.

[inHimshallibe]

Sir Hoppster
ToastyToast
Feysal
jilynne1991
inHimshallibe

Why am I not on that list?

Which would leave a scum-three group of {ToastyToast, inHim, Feysal/AVox}.

Why is Jilynne not on that list?

You know the answer here.

[inHimshallibe]

The answer I was alluding to is that they're both villainous cads.

[inHimshallibe]

Jilynne, tell me how to soothe your troubled soul. Recommendation: Be with the lynchings on Toasty.

[inHimshallibe]

The case on Toast is a matter of process of elimination. Given the role evidence present, I will risk the game on Sirs V. Piraka, Imaginality, and Jilynne. Using basic assumptions about making rulesets, I feel it is HIGHLY likely there are three Villains still present in this establishment. As such, I can further eliminate myself. What remains is the confidence in my townreads of A. Vox and Hoppster. Aurorus Vox, PhD continues to provide content and analysis, while my read of Sir Hoppster was based on a Day 1 town v. town read between himself and Twistedspoon, Esq.

[inHimshallibe]

Out of all my games, the players in this game are the least active. I have no clue what to say to that.

inHimshallibe, if you made one mistake in you're reasoning, ToastyToast might not be scum. I think you're logic is too much of guessing.

I've been guessing for a long while, and I'm damned certain by this point in my playing career.

The Villains are ToastyToast, Feysal, and Hoppster.

[inHimshallibe]

Egad.

kr0b is a person from whom I had wished to hear more. I do indeed get a villanous gut vibe from him, however I'm not keen with his lynch over Twistedspoon, whom I feel has had ample time in his posts to get content in and convince me that he is town.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Twistedspoon

Why oh why did I not see this before?

Up to this point in Day 1, Sir Hoppster had not said a word about Sir K. R0b's absence. Gentlemen start to become concerned about this and Sir Hoppster drops this line in the middle of Chunnelfest vs. Twistedspoon, Esq.

FOS a buddy, but vote the townsperson.

It's all becoming clear.

[inHimshallibe]

LOL AT FEYSAL LISTING HOPPSTER AND TOASTYTOAST AS "UNCERTAIN." TOO AFRAID TO PUT THEM AS LYNCHABLE WHEN YOU'RE IN MYLO TODAY?

[inHimshallibe]

Out of all my games, the players in this game are the least active. I have no clue what to say to that.

inHimshallibe, if you made one mistake in you're reasoning, ToastyToast might not be scum. I think you're logic is too much of guessing.

Actually, Sir Jilynne, name the (three) Villains, in your eyes.

[inHimshallibe]

Well, just pointed something out. The start of all this hinges on me reading you as town, which I think is pretty obv...

Continuing to dig to make sure this trio makes sense.

[inHimshallibe]

In particular, I see two of our distinguished guests accusing each other at the drop of a hat. I have encountered interpersonal feuds before, and I have to wonder if this could be an instance of such. The feud, if indeed it is one, would be something I would be weary to draw conclusions from.

Setting up not having to attack Hoppster for the ragematch against Twistedspoon.

After a moderate amount of reading, I am once more up to date on recent events. At this time, many of my reads are still in their formative stages, however I do have some observations from the past three pages worth commenting on.

On the topic of vezokpiraka, his joking approach to the game, posting in a purposely heinous accent, strikes me as carefree and therefore townish. I have understood that some of our esteemed members find him suspicious for lack of substance in his posts, and for his attack on kr0b. However, has it not been said repeatedly that not contributing is typical of him as town, by the same people who find him suspicious no less? I am vaguely disturbed by the assertion that he should be policy lynched as town and suspected as scum for the exact same behaviour. I have yet to make a more detailed background check on TheLonging to see what his stance on policy lynches has been on past games, but for now I can say that I do not like this type of damned-if-you-do, damned-if-you-don't argumentation.

Completely non-committal on the policy lynch talk, not wanting

As for kr0b, I am not certain I understand the basis of the case on him. My own read on him is undecided, though I was pleased by his responses to the points raised against him. Particularly what he said about the intricacies of the style of speech we have adopted making it harder to draw conclusions from the way people express their thoughts mirrorred my own thoughts perfectly. As a matter of fact, I imagined none other than Oscar Wilde, who was known for being witty with his words, when reading again his response to imaginality regarding his use of the word perhaps. I do believe that his choice of words is no more than a red herring, and dwelling on that subject is fruitless.

Undecided but town.

I admit that some of the points raised against kr0b later on have merit, but I am still confused as to the cause of imaginality's original vote on him.

Voting first and providing reasons later does not sound like a good way of seeking villains in our midst, particularly when the best of those reasons only occurred after the original vote. This makes imaginality look suspect in my eyes, though I am somewhat appeased by his apparent willingness to look in other directions.

Finally, I find that in the recent back-to-back between kpaca and Twistedspoon, it is decidedly kpaca who comes on top.

OHAI GUIZE DEM POINTS ABOUT KROB ARE GOOD BUT I DON'T WANT TO VOTE MY PARTNER SO I'LL INSTEAD PICK ON THE ORIGINS OF THE WAGON.

Undecided but town but maybe scum. HMM.

[inHimshallibe]

Meh, that wasn't the complete Feysal case. Also, since they're one-liners, I figure they'll be easy to respond to.

But, tell me... why are you tearing down my Feysal case? Uh oh.

[inHimshallibe]

Meh, that wasn't the complete Feysal case. Also, since they're one-liners, I figure they'll be easy to respond to.

But, tell me... why are you tearing down my Feysal case? Uh oh.

One line saying "your case on Feysal isn't good" is hardly tearing it down. I'm not buying it and as such, you'll need more than that.

Name your pick of Villains, please.

[inHimshallibe]

Three days have passed without a post from me, and it is high time I remedied that. Again I see remarkably little has happened, though I am hardly in any position to criticize others for it. It is more fruitful to delve into the game anyway, so onwards.

Sir Feysal, is there a villain suspect you think is stronger than Twistedspoon, Esq. or Sir vezokpiraka? If so, then how does it come about?

At the time you asked this question, my answer would've been no. I had a townish read on Twistedspoon and more of a null on vezokpiraka, but I did not have a suspect I could've presented a case on.

After your inquiry however, I've seen the name of kr0b being mentioned by a fair few individuals. Therefore I took the liberty of examining him more closely, with the intent of solidifying my read on him. And indeed, I see the merit of this case now. I don't fully agree with the case as it was presented by imaginality, but I do see cause for concern.

I never thought that kr0b echoing Apokalyptika's words was very significant as such, but what he was saying then appears to conflict with his later actions. Apparently kr0b wondered why imaginality had singled out StrangerCoug, and with that background it does look peculiar how he singles out kpaca later on for supposedly posting fluff. I would say that kr0b's and kpaca's entries into the game are so similar as to invite comparison between them, but therein lies the problem. If indeed kr0b thought he and kpaca were similar in their manner of posting, what cause would he have to so focus on kpaca, in that post and later on? Particularly when kpaca had only just joined the proceedings, I find that kind of suspicion premature.

There is also the matter that kr0b spoke of fancy words being a convenient disguise for the villains amongst us. I rather liked this from him, since it mirrors my own thinking. In addition, I recognize a risk of misunderstandings arising from needlessly complicated language, which may have been the case with his use of the word perhaps. But looking at kr0b's early posts, I do see a definite lack of substance underneath a surface of pretty words.

Finally, his absence from the thread is long past looking conspicuous. His last post was nearly a week ago, and during that time he has posted in another game. Since this game has only grown by three pages since last Friday it should be possible for kr0b to keep up with ease, particularly when he appears to be able to do it in a more fast-paced game. Finally, according to his profile page, he last accessed the site today. These facts don't look like symptoms of flaking to me, more like avoiding this thread.

Given all this, I feel comfortable enough to

Vote: kr0b

I also see that we have received an extension of one week. I am sure that is very much needed.

After this, nothing more on kr0b, and has since kept ToastyToast as a neutral read here, here, and drops him a peg here. Strange how he can have a neutral read on the current player in the slot and still keep that player in his most suspicious tier. And then crunch time comes and he bumps Toast down a peg. Puh-lease.

Feysal has had 20 posts the ENTIRE game, and has voted TWICE.

Actually. Hmm. I've typed and erased "unvote vote: Feysal" about thirty times, give or take twenty-six. I will support lynching either of those two today. I am 95.7%

noise

sure Hoppster is the last Villain of those three, given what has transpired as far as the process of elimination is concerned.

[inHimshallibe]

Hoppster lynch, then?

[inHimshallibe]

No, I understand that, but have you tried reading his posts in iso?

Yeah, it was my first major reason for suspecting him

LOLRLY? I admit, my scumdar has not been finely tuned in the outset of this game, but I have obviously been honing in on the truth of this gathering as the game progresses.

My suspects thus far this game:

Caboose, though that seemed to be a roled tell instead of a Villain tell, which evaporated when Lord Hur joined the fray. Then Apokalyptika/Cookiebringer, where I parked most of the game. Then you notice my posts becoming clearer as the puzzle began to piece together. Toast and Feysal started rising to the top. I had Jilynne and Imaginality at the very top until the clearing party began, and then Toast and Feysal are at the top now. And then I'm guessing there's another Villain to count 3 total, and so I've began working it out between A. Vox, PhD and Sir Hoppster, to which I lean Sir Hoppster as the final cad.

I'm pushing Toasty and Feysal in particular because I feel I have the game solved and am trying to show you the whole team, because if you've noticed, we don't have ANY Villains revealed to us. It only makes sense to hunt them as a team, because we pretty much HAVE to be right from here on out.

[inHimshallibe]

I think we have to move on with the game. It's stagnating.

For all that we've seen, this looks like MYLO. You know this?

[inHimshallibe]

Point is that Feysal makes long, descriptive posts. He also doesn't skim. Is he in the background? Yes, and its very troubling. I just was so sure he was town when I first joined the game.

this is why I just want to lynch inHim. He's so much more likely to be scum than anyone else in this game.

Also, another problem I just found with inHim's case on Feysal is that its reliant on me flipping scum. This is poor because 1)Using associations b/w a scum-team when not a single scum member has flipped is often very inaccurate. 2)We're in MYLO, we need to be thinking about "who's the scummiest," not "who has an interesting posting relationship with people who could be scum"

inHim:LOL TT HAS TO BE SCUM SO THAT MEANS FEYSAL'S SCUM TOO
TT:inHim is scum. I have other scum reads but will not go after them until inHim flips.

I think we have to move on with the game. It's stagnating.

vote inHim and make the world a better place.
I have full confidence in my read on him.

This is flawed because WE'RE IN MYLO. That is mislynch and LOSE. So, to be able not to MISLYNCH, we need to figure out everyone NOT TO LYNCH. THEREFORE, A WHOLE TEAM.

We could certainly No Lynch, as we're all making this assumption that it really is MyLo, and in fact it probably is better that way, BUT, the only people that have even the slightest chance of dying are Vezok and Imaginality, maybe Jilynne, and then we're in the same boat tomorrow. I have convinced myself beyond the shadow of a reasonable doubt that I am correct, and will push this Town to victory.

[inHimshallibe]

Also, from Toasty... "FEYSAL IS VERY TROUBLING BUT I JUST WANT TO LYNCH INHIM."

You all HAVE to see this. Put yourself in my spot and read that post again. Do you not understand why I'm going bonkers over lynching Toasty?

[inHimshallibe]

Sir K. Paca:

My apologies for my delay in returning my fellow goodfellows, but I was forced to leave in order to prepare my records for some forthcoming examinations.

I must say that I am appalled at the desires for a policy lynch, as such a thing is not in any way conductive to pro-town motives. It's actually a good way for scum to slip in a quick one.

However, I may be a fan of lynching vezokpiraka. My previous experience with him confirms the fact that he is quite odd in his mannerisms, so I'm not exactly put off by that. However, vezok, IF YOU DO NOT STOP RPing I WILL VOTE YOU.

Additionally, I am not at all a fan of his "reasons" for voting Krob. It is completely off base and vezoks abilities to actually gauge a reaction are less than zero, and I'm pretty sure he knows that.

I must also say that I'm not at all a fan of strangercoug, but would like to let my feelings on that matter mature a bit more before moving forward with such a thing.

At the moment I'm fine not voting at all, at least for a little while.

This is his first real content post, and he comes in with a particularly astute assessment of Sir V. Piraka. Vezok does have a disreputable history, and this point is so blindingly honest I can't see scum making it.

Follows this up with some "not gonna vote yet guys, and you can't make me" type posts, that would be more pandering and giving in if he were a Villain.

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 5#p3009405 - vote on experience here that I just can't see scum making the case, as that type of interpretation of play is more likely to be scrutinized.

Aurorus Vox, PhD bleeds obvtown to me, but I will bring up particular well-faceted points of his in just a moment.

[inHimshallibe]

What, no? Everyone is in MyLo... Feysal as scum would be winning because of it.

Don't twist those words.

Also, as scum in apparent MyLo, it makes sense to keep your buddies close to the top of your scumlist, but not at the very top, because if you get that very top lynched, you win, but if something you can't foresee happening happens, well then you're still in good position with the Town overall. GRAH My fellow Gentlemen, see the twisting and the spinning!

[inHimshallibe]

However, inHim's cases seem to consist of simply several posts which he has interpreted in a similar way to how I have interpreted ToastyToast's.

THEN PUT YOUR BLOODY VOTE WHERE YOUR BLOODY MOUTH IS OR STFU YOU VILLAINOUS HEATHEN.

All the spin is coming around full force.

Toasty - Well... inHim and Feysal are probably scum, but I'mma vote inHim.
Feysal - Well... I'm uncertain about Toasty and Hoppster, but inHim is lynchable.
Hoppster - Well... inHim and I are interpreting Toasty's posts similarly, but they're probably scum together (???) and I'm gonna vote inHim.

If Town lets this atrocity happen before their very eyes, I will take some blame for not being a shiny beacon of towniness, but now that my ass is in gear, it's up to YOU ALL to solve it with me.

[inHimshallibe]

Oh, I just reread Hoppster's case on both Toasty and I. LOL. He thinks we're both scum but is only going to hitch his horse to MY wagon?

OH. MY. GOD.

If you're Town, unvote me.

[inHimshallibe]

Very well then, I should be straightforward. I had hoped to convince you all and otherwise remain hidden, but the situation is such that my identity should be known.

I am a Gentleman of Constant Vigilance Brandishing Wit and Weapon in Protection of the Gentlemen's Gathering. I have attempted to kill Sir Coug and Sir Toast. http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 2#p3052442 Needless to say, I knew for a fact he had taken my bullet directly. I also expressed my surprise that my actions would be described as "most foul."

I believe you can imagine why I shot from the gate attacking Sir Toast so fiercely, as I believe him to be the Kingpin of this group of Rogues and Rapscallions.

[inHimshallibe]

That was a smooth entrance, and I definitely don't want to punt anything away, but my gut tells me if there were a roleblocker, Gentlemanly especially, they would have claimed by now. Even a Villainous Roleblocker would find the lack of second kill too tempting to pass up a mislynch, methinks.



@AV: regarding jilynne, one of two things are occurring for her to be Villainous. 1) She and Imaginality planned this from the start OR 2) the scum have daytalk. I don't see new blood like her playing it this way as scum. I will review her case files yet again.



Since I'm out in the open, should we all reveal our occupations?

[inHimshallibe]

Wasn't the sole suspicion, but I started looking and it made hella sense.

[inHimshallibe]

Tut tut, gents. It would behoove us all to have a spot of tea. They celebrate Christmas in wartime, you know.

[inHimshallibe]

You misread. He's saying either my lynch will end in a loss because I am a town target who was at the end of a vig-kill that got roleblocked, or i'm a scum godfather with immunity.

Or you're a Villain with a comrade who can block.

[inHimshallibe]

Feysal's bad logic + TT latching onto it makes me confident in TT's scumflip.

Quite quite! Let us commence the balloting.

[inHimshallibe]

Vezok, I would certainly hammer except for the fact, that everyone's still discussing...

Hmmm, what bothers me the most is that no one's explaining WHY I'm scum.

At this point, we're down to process of elimination. It's no fault of your own, you can come clean.

[inHimshallibe]

Yep pretty much.

Sorry I haven't had much to say about this game. I do think Toasty's actions have been less than stellar, and the hesitation worries me.

[inHimshallibe]

Bah! Good game, my fair gentlemen. I say, good game!

[inHimshallibe]

Also! Inhim, did you claim the wrong target N1 because you wanted scum to know you were the SK and would be useful to keep around?

I wanted to see some reactions and try to clamp down on the scum. I knew claiming what I did was a veritable death sentence unless they just weren't paying attention, and unless I had some unbeknownst protection. I also knew that I probably couldn't own up to the TL kill and not the N2 kill.

I had it figured that if I got scum lynched three days in a row without dying I would win, was doing what I could towards that end.