StrangerCoug's Favorite Roles Return (Game over!)

[Baby Spice]

What the?

Is Jindori at L-1 already?

More to the point, TL, why claim already? It's not a town thing to do.

Vote TL

[Baby Spice]

ani is likely scum; tragedy push is absolutely retarded and he doesn't say a thing about jindori. Wouldn't be surprised if the Tragedy kill came from mafia who knew they'd painted Tragedy as obvtown after D1.
AMRUN HASN'T POSTED YET IN THIS THREAD. WHAT.

What the?

Is Jindori at L-1 already?

Tell me you don't get an "oh crap we're screwed" vibe from this post. TELL ME DAMMIT.
TAJO HASN'T POSTED YET IN THIS THREAD. WHAT.

Uh... guys, can we have a bit longer of a day today? There's like no information here. Placeholder

vote: ani

but this is subject to change.

You should.
I don't like such rapid policy lynches, after the one in MoCo. I figured that it would be another one being driven on idiot town like they usually are.

[Baby Spice]

Wouldn't be surprised if the Tragedy kill came from mafia who knew they'd painted Tragedy as obvtown after D1.

Tell me Parama, do you still think this?

Willing to buy Ani's claim. Definately buying TL's claim.

Am wondering how this second wagon got so large so quickly.

[Baby Spice]

They're not hard to find. SC keeps a good wiki.

[Baby Spice]

Why?

I don't think it'd be given to mafia as a fakeclaim.

More to the point, given the napalm death could be equated to the SK in "Basic theme" who killed by lighting fires.

Since Ani wasn't in that game, chances are good he got a role from it, firefighter being such an unusual thing. ie: The reason he knows of ifirefighter is most probably receiving a role from the game it was in.

If we take that a step further, then he is either the firefighter or a scum role from it. From looking it all up, I tend to believe the claim.

TwistedSpoon, want to try and justify your random seeming vote again?

[Baby Spice]

TwistedSpoon, want to try and justify your random seeming vote again?

nope

now that ani's claimed and quoted, Baby Spice is the most suspicious of those not on the Jindori wagon

If anything she tries to protect our pal Jindori

Nice contradiction there.

Vote Twisted Spoon

Perhaps the fact that I took the trouble to go find that claim, and explain why I found it town, before Ani quoted the role PM that you seem to think makes him so town, would also make me not likely scum.

[Baby Spice]

I never said I believed ani's claim did I?
I just don't think he should be today's lynch over yourself

Hi.

Address your contradiction.

Address why you still seem to think I believed Ani's claim too easily when it can easily be shown I did the the research, and reasoning, to see if it was a good claim or not.
Try showing why my not liking rapid/policy lynches is scummy. Hint, you'll find me saying that rapid policy lynches aren't good in other games.

Hell, show some actual thought behind anything.

[Baby Spice]

What IS your case on babyspice? It seems like you can't decide.

didn't vote obvscum jin

Neither did you. You policied someone. Then made some crap excuse to call Jin scummy to justify your policy vote. But it was obvious what your vote was, and that you didn't care if Jin was scum or town.

After the flip you call him obv scum, but only to justify a crap vote on your part.

Do you want to make more rubbish up?

[Baby Spice]

Looking at Empking and Twistedspoon right now.

hiya

all I've been doing is looking for scum off the wagon. spice seems most apparent since ani's claimed and players like Amrun weren't even here D1

by PoE spice should be scum

Yet another piece of rubbish.

Hint: try some thought, try showing some actual reasoning. Try showing some actual logic.
You have done neither. Each and every time your rubbish has been challanged, you've backed away and invented something else equally reasonless and equally thoughtless and equally unsupported.

Clue: When claiming Process of Elimination, try showing why people were eliminated? (Not posting yet is not a reason. MoCo had one of the scum make their first post on D2 after a rapid policy lynch. It's what turned me off of them)

[Baby Spice]

Since Ani wasn't in that game, chances are good he got a role from it, firefighter being such an unusual thing. ie: The reason he knows of ifirefighter is most probably receiving a role from the game it was in.

Can you explain this a little more? Why do you think Ani is more likely to have received a role from a game he wasn't in, since roles are theoretically assigned randomly?

Well, if it was a fake claim, how would he have known about the role? Sure he could have crawled through SC's wiki and found roles, but as someone said if that was the case why claim what is in effect a limited doc, why not a real doc. Remember he was at L-1 and a likely lynch.

Since it's unlikely he chose the role by pure brute searching, logically he must actually have a role that was in that game, and again, if he was going to fake claim, why that one. Especially when we had a fire type kill N1 (Napalmed)

Now TS.

too willing to believe claims Imo

I've already talked about looking things up and doing the research behind the claims so far, this this first 'reason' in bunk. Or perhaps you are referring to TL's claim, which since I voted for him at the time, would kind of indicate that I didn't believe that one too easily either.

now that ani's claimed and quoted, Baby Spice is the most suspicious of those not on the Jindori wagon

If anything she tries to protect our pal Jindori

Two parts here. First, since you seem to believe Ani's claim now (Otherwise why shift your vote) how do you explain that it was largely my comments on it that made it believable?

Secondly, in what way do I try to protect your pal? I've said before that I don't like policy lynches, nor rapid lynches (The time that comes to mind I can't quote, live game)

I never said I believed ani's claim did I?
I just don't think he should be today's lynch over yourself

So you don't believe Ani's claim, which means you think he's obv scum and are not voting for him? Instead you try to start a wagon on someone else. Remind me why you are voting me again? That's right:

What IS your case on babyspice? It seems like you can't decide.

didn't vote obvscum jin
sorta objected to his lynch too

Now, I admit I'm known for thinking differently to what people might call normal, but that looks like you're voting me using the same logic you said I was using. Your calling me scummy whilst doing the same thing that you call scummy.

Neither did you. VOTE:

1) I did. He was scum and I would have voted him whatever
2) just because i (supposedly) didn't doesn't clear you

Lol same as me i was trying a slayers gambit in my game with twisted spoon (It's over so you can look into it.).

yeah, were you the one who hammered me, cop, page 5 without letting me claim?

this player is a true hazard to the town

VOTE: Jindori

The info was not useless. I just didn't understand which game you were talking about. I want to know what your talking about Thank you.

Unvote vote jindori

Meh i'm not important anyway and a policy lynch on me might help find scum.

self-voting is a scum tactic to appear less important and humble and other such nonsense

We have a vote for a reason outside of the game, that at best can be called policy. Then called something a scum tactic as an added extra.
Now if you actually thought he was scummy, you would not have started with the policy bit would you? If this was really a policy vote I doubt you would have called the self voting scummy. Your vote here is a foot in both camps. Pointing out something vaguely scummy in case Jin was lynched, and laying a policy foundation so you can walk away if the wagon folded.

The key point here though, is that you never called Jin obvscum until after the flip.


This vote of yours is pure bussing.

Strong evidence of Bussing. Strong evidence of trying to force false cases. Ignoring questions. Bad logic.

Twisted spoon is scum, and the sooner we lynch him the sooner we can find his buddies.


Bobsnox, why are you sheeping so badly? More to the point, why are you sheeping scum? I would love to try and show why you're vote is wrong, but it's kind of hard when you give absolutely no reason whatsoever. Indeed, you only mention me once.

VOTE: Baby Spice

Surye, firstly, I'm having trouble even with the high school french (in the 1980's) and google translate but.

Baby Spice, on the other hand, commented on the wagon. Trying to slow it down

WTF and an (incorrect as it turned out) vote count is not much to base a vote on nor is it much of a comment, and as I've said, I don't like rushed lynches, rushed policy lynches.

His odds on TS is not a contradiction. This is a false attack.

Please explain.
TS makes a random seeming vote with some rubbish reason, I ask if he wants to try justify his random seaming vote again, he says no, then he tries to re-justify his random seeming vote with some more rubbish reason.
That is pure contradiction on his part.

His two addresses to its car are rubbish, I do not like his "political lynching" push on any lynching scum boyfriend. Lynch was a good, if not too fast, but he was on obvscum. She tried to derail it last minute, could not, and limiting the damage.

Please show how "this player is a true hazard to the town" as the basis for a vote is not policy?
Please show where you, or TS, thought jin was obvscum, before the flip.
Please show how I sought to derail the lynch at the last minute?

You can't.

Oh, and Surye, please quote your role PM because the only french post restricted role I can find linked to SC was a greek mafia goon in SWN II. (Ani and Parama were in that game too it seems)

Vote: BS

- (excluding myself) I think BS comes out the worst of the not-voters and I don't like his recent post at all.

Care to explain why, address anything.

Of the not voters, I'd personally look at anyone who hadn't posted. My, limited, experience says that any scum not voting would have not posted to avoid the whole thing. Otherwise I'd look for bussing, oh hello TS and his amazing bus post..

[Baby Spice]

@Parama, as given to MafiaSSK it didn't, but as given to FeFiFoFum (Or whatever the replacements name was) it did. (Gotta love bastard mods)

I wasn't going to bring it up just yet, but Surye is acting so scummy at the moment, what with sheeping the rubbish TS case, I decided not to wait.

[Baby Spice]

I also doubt Surye is scum with this French thing going on.

That's a very interesting observation after I've mentioned that the only French post restricted role I can find associated with SC is a scum one.

Twistedspoon seems to be thinking critically and reasonably.

Can I ask what game you are referring to here, because it isn't this one.

p edit, Tajo with the ninja

[Baby Spice]

Tajo, you were in that game that Syrye just mentioned, did your role PM say that you were post restricted to speak french, or was it a general requirement of the game?
Given that the mod spoke french in it as well ...

[Baby Spice]

Oh, and Surye, please quote your role PM because ...

See the thing is, the game you mentioned your role is supposedly from, the role PM's were in french. (So were the mods posts in the signup thread btw)

Alignement: Citoyen

would have done, is allowed, and you have quoted before so you are allowed to quote.

I'll wait for Tajo to confirm, but ...

[Baby Spice]

Parama, why are you so convinced that jindori is a jester, not scum? He looks pretty scummy to me.

Surye, what translator are you using?

Vote: Jindori

Google translate,

You quoting. Prooving that you were allowed to quote things. Ani already proved that you can quote the relevent parts of your role PM

The point, it would indicate that you had actually received that role PM, and not just skimmed through games looking from some french speaking role you could fake claim.

If you hadn't been so scummy of late, I wouldn't have bothered yet, but you keep pushing/following the TS rubbish, despite my showing that it is rubbish, and that shows how scummy you have been.

[Baby Spice]

though you seem content to push suspicion on Surye solely because of his restriction. FYI town and scum can both be post-restricted and something like that has no bearing on a player's alignment.

Granted. As I said I wasn't going to worry about it today, but I think he's been scummy in his actions, and scummy and evasive in his dealings with this one issue.
It would have been simplicity itself to say his role was from the french speaking game, if it was. Right back when Smartgaret first mentioned the SWN games on D1 (I think it was). Especially as that would have given little away about his actual role.
But that looks like tommorow's arguement now.

TS is still scummier by far.

[Baby Spice]

Hate to say it, but I agree with ^^ regarding Ani. (if I translated it right)

If it comming down to Ani or smargaret then:

Unvote
Vote smargaret

[Baby Spice]

I always suspect Parama, but that is for a different day.

[Baby Spice]

Vote Bobsnox

I think he's scum, not the SK. But whatever, we'll find out.

He's the most obvious (to me at least) non-town on both lynches.
Posts contain a lot of nothing. Pointless votes he backs away from. Saying: "Twistedspoon seems to be thinking critically and reasonably."

[Baby Spice]

Does anyone have any running theories as to why Amrun bit the dust?

My role, possibly. I do not receive confirmation of who I randomly select each night.

Who you randomly select to be roleblocked?
Which has a hand in killing Amrun how?

Bloody ninja's

[Baby Spice]

Surye, do you think there is a fourth scum out there?

Vote TwistedSpoon

Still the scummiest out there in my mind.

[Baby Spice]

Surye, do you think there is a fourth scum out there?

Vote TwistedSpoon

Still the scummiest out there in my mind.

[Baby Spice]

How did I do that? oops.

[Baby Spice]

Zinger, why is your role pm edited?

If your actually a vig, then we're looking for scum #4.
If you're not the vig then you're an SK, lynch for game over.

So, with the godfather gone:

Ademisk, you are a

printer, a cop

. You make the perfect medium for making wanted posters, and through you the IT department will know who is sending my computer viruses.

Each night, you may PM me the name of a player you would like to investigate. I will tell you whether that player investigates as innocent or guilty to you. You will repeat this process until the end of the game or you die, whichever happens first. If you decide not to investigate a certain night, it'd be nice if I know. You are not allowed to investigate yourself.

You win when all threats to my computer have been eliminated from the game.

Please PM me back acknowledging that you understand and confirm your role. The thread is here and you are playing a day start.

N1, The Longing, inocent. (That claim stuff)
N2, Parama, inocent (test the best players and he was leading town a little)
N3, Empking, inocent. Couldn't decide who to do this night. Fully expected to find all targets were investigate immune anyway (Sk and godfather) so again went with a good player over TS idiot/Surye so so

so:

Baby Spice *
Empking

Surye

TheLonging

Twistedspoon
xvart

Zinger2099

(Vig claim)

jindori

(9):

C-Worl

,

Parama

, xvart,

TheLonging, bobsnox

,

smargaret

, Surye,

Zinger2099

, Twistedspoon

Empking, Animorpherv, Baby Spice, PopularTajo, Tragedy

smargaret

(7):

populartajo

, Surye,

TheLonging, Baby Spice, Amrun

,

Zinger2099

,

bobsnox

Parama

.

Empking

, Twisted Spoon, Xvart,

Animorpherv

bobsnox

(6):

Parama

,

Baby Spice, TheLonging, populartajo

, Surye,

Zinger2099

Xvart, TwistedSpoon,

Empking

.


Hmm, that would mean that all the scum were on the Jindori lynch. (Hence Parama's immediate look off of the lynch comment.)

I'm thinking we lynch either Xvart, Surye, or TS, and have Zinger vig one of the other two.

One death, or Zinger kills someone else, we lynch Zinger.
Two kills and we lynch the third.

[Baby Spice]

It may be a bit before day opens—I realized while I was at work this morning that I had committed a mod error earlier and I want to figure out how to best deal with it. I can tell you that the mistake is minor enough for me to continue the game.

Populartajo and Tragedy?


Tajo, my main worry about what I suggested is the posibility that Zinger is actually the last scum posing as a vig. Something that your post seems to support. Also by fact that his rolePM is edited, which I cannot understand.

Unvote

Zinger, explain the quotes by Tajo, and explain why the game link in your rolepm points to this game and not the game it should.

That being said, I think Zinger is probably a vig, despite the odds. (For those who care, check his live games)

We really need everyone to weigh in on this.

If we lynch Zinger and he's a vig, we run the chance of a three person lylo with one clear (I think)
If we lynch Zinger and he's scum, we go to 1v4 with effectively no clears
If we lynch Zinger and he's an SK we go to 1v4 with two clears
If we lynch from the list of three, and zinger is vig, we win.
If we lynch from the list of three and Zinger is SK, then it depends on if there is a fourth scum
If we lynch from the list of three and Zinger is scum then we probably loose (Unless we luck an SK)


Hope I got my logic right there

[Baby Spice]

tbh, it's 1:40 am local and I'm tired, but...

Zinger scum leads to an SK, and site meta tends to invest immune SK's so we loose the clears

[Baby Spice]

That's the part that really worries me, but I can't understand why it would be done.

Actually, I can understand it. If he cut/pasted from the original game, instead of using a quote of the post, then he would have had to enter the link himself and could have gotten it wrong easily enough.

Must admit I am leaning towards a Zinger lynch.

My gut says he's not a vig but an SK, if we're wrong we remove a NK anyway and end up with two confirmed v three unknown.
Then again if we're right we might be in the same boat. Parama did push the four scum and an NK hard, after two of them were dead.

Vote Zinger

[Baby Spice]

My worry is Empking, is if Zinger is an SK, and there is a fourth mafia, and we miss them, then I we loose. 1v1v2

[Baby Spice]

Scum SK town town does.
That's the worry. What are our chances of having four scum, SK, and Eleven town. Or three scum, vig and twelve town. Or four scum, vig and eleven town.

That's the thing. Zinger vig or SK. Three scum or four.

If we think there were only three scum, lynch Zinger for the win.
If we think there is four scum, then do we have a vig or an SK.

[Baby Spice]

Unvote

Seriously, four and a vig, or four and an SK?

Answer that and we know how to vote.

[Baby Spice]

Maybe our first step is for everybody to claim. Correctly
I forgot to count but I think we have four people left to claim.

[Baby Spice]

Vote Zinger

SC seems to go for low scum numbers.
Zinger had a blown PM claim.
Zinger never mentioned the posibility of a vig until he claimed, but tried to direct town away from looking for an SK.
Mistake still gives us a great chance for a town win.

[Baby Spice]

I would expect a vig to not close down the vig option so strongly.

Hide yes.

Have you looked at Zingers current live games?

[Baby Spice]

Can't say, they are live after all.

[Baby Spice]

Ok Zinger, simply put.

As a vig you are a terrible shot, like here, but didn't ignore the vig/SK question like you did here. IE: You allowed for the posibility of a vig when discussing SK's, but didn't here.


And you are still ignoring the error in your quoted role PM.

Tajo, we can quote the rolePM from the games where our roles came from, not the bits added by SC int the rolePM he sent us.

[Baby Spice]

The link the the game included in the rolePM, was to this game, not the game that it should have been.

It's been mentioned a few times, and not just by me.

[Baby Spice]

Consider that if I am telling the truth, tomorrow you will be up the creek without a paddle. I say we take some time today to do some questioning that will give those who are left alive tomorrow few places to hide in.

No Zinger, the problem is if your lieing about being a vig and there's a fourth scum, we loose if we don't lynch either of you. (Ok, we might get real lucky with crosskills, or both targeting the same person)

If there's only three scum and your a vig, then the game should be over.

If your a vig and there's a fourth scum, we know which of three players it has to be and there will be two absolutely cleared players of to question them. Anything other than your lynch means that we have to trust in you being the vig and if we're wrong, we loose.

I don't trust in you being a vig.

[Baby Spice]

wikipedia is your friend.

Necklacing (sometimes called necklace) is the practice of summary execution carried out by forcing a rubber tire, filled with petrol, around a victim's chest and arms, and setting it on fire. The victim may take up to 20 minutes to die, suffering severe burns in the process.

Mothrax is no longer in the game, it's mist.

[Baby Spice]

We really need Mist and whoever to wade in on lynching/trusting Zinger.

If we can answer that we are either at a lynch or deciding on a lynch/vig combo. (TS and Surye for mind)

[Baby Spice]

Pretty good.

Better than 50/50.