Mini 1180: Game Over

[jilynne1991]

What are Hydras?

[jilynne1991]

Also, some RQS questions (mostly for my own personal benefit to reference if need be):

What time zone are you in?

How much experience do you have playing mafia (either on or off-site)?

About how active are you usually in a game?

RVS or RQS? Why?

Sorry, I'm kind of a noob, but I'll respond to all questions with the best of my ability.

1) I have no clue what timezone, but I live in California, and some people have told me it's GMT-7. Out of curiosity why would you say GMT-8+1, wouldn't it be easier to put GMT-7?

2) I haven't played any games IRL yet, but I plan to, and I'm currently in 6 games, but I haven't finished any yet.

3) I'm very active, you can probably see me posting 3x a day as long as everyone else is participating too. Sorry, being a teenager means being hyperactive and having way too much time to waste.

4) Well, I'm assuming RQS is Random Question Stage. I prefer RQS, because I can get more information. I dislike RVS, because it's too easy to kill a person too early. Oh, and I've only played with RVS, but I dislike it.

[jilynne1991]

PEdit:
AEST utc+10
I have completed three games on another site and this is my fourth on this site, none have been completed
I am incredibly active mostly I try to weigh in on most discussions
I have only played RVS

You guys can expect me to ask tons of questions. I'm not nesecarily challenging anyone, but more like trying to learn and understand.

1) what's PEdit?

2) What's AEST?

3) What's derp?

Oh, and I'm loving how active you guys r, I hate having to wait for someone to posot before posting again to not seem obnoxious.

[jilynne1991]

/confirm
Sorry, meant to confirm on my first post.

[jilynne1991]

Thanks, tell me if any of you guys decide you're tired/annoyed at my questions, since I seem to get that alot.

[jilynne1991]

This head is EST (so yeah, bedtime)
I have more of real life mafia background, with a smattering of IRC and Forum mafia thrown in.
Usually pretty active. Not as much as SK though.
I have not seen a RQ that I liked, so I prefer RVs

What is IRC?

P.S. You guys will probably find me making multiple posts for responsed to multiple quotes, since I'm too noobish to know a fast way to compile multiple quotes without copying, pasting, and saving drafts back and forth.

[jilynne1991]

Hola.

/confirm

*Wave back*

Mountain Time... plus whatever daylight savings does.... I don't keep track.

2 completed, this one makes 3 ongoing.

Pretty active I'd say. I'll try to post at least once a day.

RVS. Votes are info.

I'm not trying to be too attack-ish, but are you saying for RQS, the questions aren't info?

[jilynne1991]

Well, we know when we can expect people to be on, how much experience they have, and based on their activity level, are they lurking or not, or are they supposed to be reply or are they hiding. Wait you were directing that question towards me, right?

[jilynne1991]

What, wait, that's sarcasm right? Since, that doesn't seem very relevant to mafia.

[jilynne1991]

I like playing as mafia or third party, because of the extra challenges and excitement. I feel like it's easier to win as town and that bores me. Also, for being mafia, I get to kill off people at night and that's fun for me. (I have no idea why.)

Also, someone being scum is the same as being mafia right? Are the two words always interchangeable?

[jilynne1991]

Thanks for the explanation. That cleared up things a bit for me.

[jilynne1991]

I was just going to post a whole thing about ironhead and some other stuff, and then I realized we're still pregame. I bet this game's gonna turn out well. Especially with all this activity.

[jilynne1991]

Sorry, somehow I still thought it was pregame.

Well, I don't feel like typing it up again, so in a nutshell, I pretty much wrote the following:

I don't like RVS either (meaing that although I like spectating, I don't like participating.) And that not liking RVS isn't necesarilly a scum tell.

[jilynne1991]

TBH, I don't know, but it's something that I think can be replaced with something for useful...like discussion.

[jilynne1991]

Yes, but I don't believe we need RVS to generate discussion.

[jilynne1991]

RQS. I think asking questions work just as well. For one, picking on one person espeically and see how they handle the pressure, then switch around and things like that.

[jilynne1991]

Vote: SleepyKrew

Darth Vader's lenses are obviously already 3D, meaning you are not the real Darth Vader, i.e. you're not really the person you pretend to be, and since I assume you are pretending to be town, you are therefore scum.

Now that that's out of my system,

Please explain this part of your post, it was basically useless. (I'm sorry if I missed something, I probably did, but can someone explain the point of it anyways?) Thank you.

Quote tag fixed by moderator

[jilynne1991]

How did I lie? (Sorry, I'm a bit oblivious.) Also, I'm not trying to start an argument, I'm just saying I don't like RVS.

[jilynne1991]

Well ok, by whole thing it was pretty much an elongated version of what I already wrote. It wasn't that big...mybe 5 sentences. I was pretty much defending not liking RVS and how ironhead isn't necesarily scum. Ok, well I'll try to write it up, espeically since two people are asking me too:

I'm just saying, but I don't like participating in RVS either, since for me, I don't know why, but I have a problem with voting someone if it'sn ot absolutely serious. I'm not sure exactly why I feel this way, but I can't stand how it seems to be a huge jumpled goofy mess in the beginning, and tehn it's like everysingle mistake is nitpicked. I can't stand that. I am well aware RVS is useful, but I think RQS could do exactly the same thing. With less problems and misunderstandings. ...TBH, I don't really see hwo you can judge he;s scum just because of ONE post. I mean really?

K, that's it.

[jilynne1991]

Ths votecount confuses me. If I'm understanding it right, that means I voted WormyKrew, which I did not do...) I'm probably misunderstanding it though, can someone clarify please?

[jilynne1991]

I have a plan. Please don't kill me yet. I'm not scum. Now that that's said and done, I know I can't change your vote. I'm sorry, I was defending iron, because I thought he was CORRECT.

[jilynne1991]

What's a QT? Ok, but can you guys wait to lynch me?

Well, actually, I just want to know, can I still consider I won, even if I got killed in the process of my group winning? Since, I'll just say I'm town, and I'm not really sure how to save myself, so if you guys want to lynch me go ahead, since this game isn't really interesting me that much. (Well, not like the other 5 games I'm in.)

It will be a waste if I get lynched on the first day. I do ask you guys to not lynch me on the first day, and if you guys can comply with that, warn me you're going to lynch me the day before if possible so I can make use of something.

[jilynne1991]

I'm just saying, but it's not that much fun playing townie, so yes, I'm interested, but not that interested. Well, my plan reveals also my role, shall I still explain it?

[jilynne1991]

Um, there wasn't any mention of a QT in my role pm...and i read it super thoroughly.

I don't want to replace out. What makes you think that? It's just in my other games I have better roles.

[jilynne1991]

Was there, maybe a problem with my role pm?

[jilynne1991]

Oh, sorry, I didn't realize that was considered referencing other ongoing games. So wait, by saying I'm PR, I just dug my grave? Crap.

Oh, and I have a one shot thing, so yea, I'll tell you guys when I've used it and will probably no longer be helpful, since my votes usually aren't that good.

Why does everyone say plox instead of please?

[jilynne1991]

What's a *headdesk*? I'm so confused.

[jilynne1991]

Oh. Sorry. I was just saying, I can't really catch scum. Well, I technically have one chance to catch scum.

[jilynne1991]

My scumhunting processes? What? I'm sooo confused. Please expand on that.

[jilynne1991]

Can I just reveal my role? Since my one-shot thing is kinda a big decision and I'd like to have some people weigh in on it.

[jilynne1991]

I will be unable to reach a computer until maybe the 5th or possibly sixth, because of a math competition, I will catch up as quickly as possible.

[jilynne1991]

Can I just say something? I'm polite, because that's the way I was and am brought up. I'm sorry, I hope my politeness doesn't offend you too much.

[jilynne1991]

Ok, can someone really quickly list out all the reasons I might be scum again? Since, right now, I'm super confused.

Also, something about Wormy makes me think he's scum, but I've tried to read his posts in iso, and I haven't found exactly what's setting off my radar. I'll try to post something about it in the near future unless he somehow proves he's town to me.

Ironhead...makes me wonder. Logically, I feel like he's scum, but he's not setting off my radar in anyway, and my gut feeling is that he's a not-so-smart townie. So, in a nutshell, those two are the ones that I think might be scum, but I'm not voting either, since I have nothing on them yet.

[jilynne1991]

Explain why, please? (No, the not the newbie part, but the townie part.)

[jilynne1991]

Question to everyone: are gut feelings good? And if they can be bad and good, when are they bad, and when are they good?

[jilynne1991]

Oh, ok, thanks! If I think someone's scum based on a gut feeling, should I share it with everyone or not?

[jilynne1991]

...wormykrew and secret project, but I think my suspicion of secret project might be because, I don't like him... =_=

[jilynne1991]

It's okay, Jily. That suspicion is fine.

I, myself, personally concluded that I was finding it EXTREMELY hard to conclude both Hydras were town, and that one HAD to be scum due to certain interactions. (They're in my notes, somewhere.) So, yeah. You're fine. ^_^

Sometime, when you have time, could you expand on that and explain a little more?

[jilynne1991]

^agrees with above, since I don'twanna lynch someone cuz i don't like him...that's stupid

[jilynne1991]

Vote: WormyKrew

So, everyone, who are the top 2 candidates for a lynch here? Everyone please reply.

[jilynne1991]

Ok, I actually have a case in mind at the moment, and when I have time tomorrow, I'll post it. (It's not just a gut feeling, now.)

[jilynne1991]

What is AtE? I'm sooo confused, but I think it might be something like OMGUS.

I'm getting town vibes from mastin2 and CaptainCorporal.

SecretProject...ummm, my gut feeling is that your scum, but I'm nearly 100% sure that's because I don't really like playing with you. (No offence.) So your kind of a null read for me.

Also can people please tell me who your top 2 candidates for a lynch are?

[jilynne1991]

Can you guys please start telling me who your top 2 suspects are? I don't think this hurts anyone. Please explain if it does.

[jilynne1991]

What do you mean by, "Also, you're*"

[jilynne1991]

Secret Project, No one's really nice to me...

[jilynne1991]

Mastin2, what did you mean by the previous post. It...confuses me.

Also, just as a general question, do hydra partners call each other or chat outside of the game to figure out what they wanna do? Is it fun playing as a hydra?

[jilynne1991]

Ok...I did NOT expect ms to require the use of a dictionary. You know, "a bunny having human characteristics" would have worked just as well as "anthropomorphic."

Does anyone mind linking me to a past game where mastin2 have more evidence. Since many people are talking about it, I'd love to see his playing style that you guys refered to earlier.

[jilynne1991]

Um, what do you mean? (Since you explained everyone else, and then you put a ... by my name.)

[jilynne1991]

Honestly? Nope, I didn't think I'd need them...but with everyone pointing out that I'm a noob, I think I'll go read them.

Also, I don't agree with splitfarvle and Mastin, but yea, Secret Project's kinda making me wonder at the moment.

[jilynne1991]

I just read it.

Btw, I know what you mean. I look noobish and confused. Oh, and to answer your question, I'm still not that sure of how to get reads, but I'd say I know a fair amount info of how to play mafia now.

[jilynne1991]

I'm not sure if we just think alike or what, but DarthYoshi is literally posting everything on my mind.

Btw, thanks weird!

[jilynne1991]

Well, everything except the stuff going on between you and Mastin, since I've never played with him before.

[jilynne1991]

lol, k sorry, I didn't read the links simply because I thought I was good enough without it. I've read them all now though.

[jilynne1991]

Why am I obv town? (Well besides my claim.)

[jilynne1991]

What does Derp mean? ...(Since I used to assume it meant stupid/dumb....but in your context, I don't think that's what it means.)

[jilynne1991]

Oh gosh. Crap, I just beat up a guy for saying derp 50x.

Anyways, I find it sooooo cool how so many of you guys are like adults. (Lol, sorry, this is just really interesting for me.) Btw, I can see why someone would vote me for being too polite. I think it's because scum try not to step on anyone's toes and since I was being pretty cautious, I guess that's why I got voted.

[jilynne1991]

...I've already kept my gushing to a minimum. ~_~ IRL, half the time I'm screaming OMG or something along those lines.

[jilynne1991]

Ok, excuse my stupidity, but who the heck is ITT?

[jilynne1991]

Corporal, you seem *alot* older than 14.

I find it hilarious how I always play the same way, and in one game, it appears I'm scum, and in the other, I'm town. whatttt?

Scumhunter, I think you're town, but somehow when ever someone says their town, it makes me wonder if their scum or not. *sigh*

Mafia is such a WIFOM-y game.

[jilynne1991]

It also makes this game psychologically hard, since you're predicting what other people are doing.

[jilynne1991]

Ummm, a little more back up on that? That's a little fast to be making judgements...=_=

[jilynne1991]

Oh. oops nvm, missed you're last post somehwo.

[jilynne1991]

Um, I am a new play, in fact. I'm not an alternate account. I don't know where that came from, but if you guys want me to, I can link you to the website I found about mafiascum on.

[jilynne1991]

Um yea, I'm currently in 9 games. Just finished one that I replaced into. LOL, I've been staying busy.

[jilynne1991]

Why do people have problems with hydras? They're just normal players...

[jilynne1991]

Krew continued to push jily for a few more posts despite her incredibly obvious townslip and the way in which he did it reads more as 'scum trying to find a case' then just 'paranoid town'.

Did you even read my replace-in post because this is reading as if you haven't, if you did so you would have noticed and addressed the following:

Jilynne1991: Something that should probably be brought to light is the fact that she's not a new player, she's an alternate account of another player at this site. Proof of this is here though you'll need to attain access to Forum 62 to read it. I'm reading her play this game as an overexaggeration of her false newbie status and

if you read her 'town slip' knowing she's not new it reads as highly suspicious.

I however am apprehensive over lynching her at the current moment due to her claim, I'm willing to leave her to the side until tommorow.

Jilynee, I'm going to continue to disbelieve this and arguing over it really is pointless,

[Redacted] proves that you knew what a QT was before you asked about it in this thread therefore the noob-town read that people attained from that is incorrect.

Ok, about the alternate account thing, this is my first account ever on mafia scum.

About the Quick Topic, sorry, I didn't quite realize just what QT stood for at the moment, since I was working on something where QT meant something else and my brain just wasn't turning fast enough. After a bit, I did realize it meant Quick Topic though.

[jilynne1991]

If there's anyway an IP check could be done, I'd like it to happen, since I don't want there to be any questions about my IP. I live with two younger siblings that couldn't possibly play MS, two parents who are way too busy, and two grandparents, so there's no way there could even be an implication that I'm an alt, if an IP check is done.

Well, Elsa, with promises to come back, my take on it would be to keep you.

[jilynne1991]

Captain Corporal, I may be wrong, but I must say, it's like you're quite careful, not to push anything to hard on anyone. It's like incase you mislynch or something, you won't have heat on you, because you didn't push that hard.

It's kinda like you're fence sitting, you don't push too hard for anything.

[jilynne1991]

Ok, can you give a read on everyone with at least one line explaining please?

[jilynne1991]

*sigh*

The biggest problem for me, is that nothing's coming up for me. Could someone please start asking questions that are directed towards me, that are as specific as possible, just so my brain zooms in on specific things?

[jilynne1991]

Oh my, I'm so sorry, I don't know how I missed it. Thanks!

Ok, I have to go to sleep, since even though it's early, I should start making up for all the sleep I missed while studying for finals.

[jilynne1991]

Yes. Middle schoolers have finals. Also, I am determined to get all A's cuz I get paid $100 for that. Not to mention, I'm quite ambitious, so I'm also taking Geometry online and I have a final for that too.

=_= *MOST* middle schoolers have finals, forgive me for asking, but what time do you live in.

Ok, I don't exactly see why everyone is so sure Darth is scummy, but I do have a case on Wormy.

[jilynne1991]

SecretProject, you seem to like calling out chainsaw defenses, and you have said they are indicative of scum. But tell me something. Was I not attacking Ironhead, and then you said he was town and attacked me? Isn't that your beloved chainsaw defense?

I agree that it was odd how Secret Project went from accusing me of being scum to "probtown" without ever demonstrating how he arrived at that conclusion. But I don't think you can accuse him of chainsaw defense for two important reasons: first, accusing him (or anyone) of chainsaw defense implies that the player being defended is scum. Until someone flips scum, that is a problematic conclusion to make. Second, it ignores the fact that you and Secret Project were teaming up to accuse me of scumminess early on as I built a case on Secret Project. If you can characterize Secret Project's current attack on you as chainsaw, then couldn't I do the same to characterize your attack on me when Secret Project and I were going at it?

If you think someone is town, you defend them, chainsaw or otherwise. It is SP who said a chainsaw is indicative of scum, and SP has chainsawed.

Jily, this whole thing about you being an alt is... weird. I honestly don't know what to do about this. Can't we ask an admin to do an IP check or something?

I think doing an IP check is way out of bounds, and an absurd request to make to site admins. You ought to be able to find scum using your wits; suggesting we ask to do an IP check is bizarre and does not seem townish to me.

Out of bounds? If jily is an alt, and considering the amount of games she's in, then she would probably be breaking site rules. It's worth a look IMO.

And this all leads to Ironhead

I disagree with this conclusion. Based on the issues I mentioned above, I think your argument requires a little more work. I also suspect that you have drawn the conclusion first ("Ironhead must be scum!") and then fit the argument to match your conclusion. You are declaring that you have re-read the thread, and after re-examining the evidence have concluded that

the same person

is scum whom you have been accusing since the game started; I am unconvinced that you did a re-read with an open mind. Use the re-read as an opportunity to re-question your assumptions, find new arguments, and construct a stronger argument against someone being scum.

You tell me I re-read wrong. Then you tell me how to re-read properly. Well, let's see.
Re-question assumptions: Is mastin ever going to supply reasons?
New arguments: Jily
Stronger Argument: On you. My other scumspects all have a direct relation to you.

I don't quite understand why an IP check is out of bounds, especially if it's not too difficult. By all means, if there's a mod willing, please do an IP check.

[jilynne1991]

1. wierdalexv- Helpful, but I'd like to see more content. leaning town.

2. splitfarvie/Scumhunter-Well, you completely slipped my mind, so either I'm having memory loss, or you're not posting enough. null.

3. Elsa von Spielburg-you were ok while you were here, and you had no pressure on you when you left. leaning town.

4. Gerhard Krause/Captain Corporal-Well, I like you're content and questions and activity. town.

5. jilynne1991- LOL. definitely town.

6. TheWayItEnds-post more. I don't remember enough of you. null.

7. DarthYoshi- oh my. Everyone's determined you're scum, though I don't quite see why that's so. null.

8. monk-You gave me a bad gut feeling. If asked to, I'll try to find the one post that really hit me in the gut. leaning scum.

9. Secret Project-You're contents good, and you're asking good questions. You do give me a bad gut feeling though. leaning town.

10. Ironhead-In the beginning, I was nearly 100% you were scum, but in the last few pages, you've proved yourself to be a helpful member to the town. leaning town.

11. Alduskkel-You need to post more. I have a bad gut feeling. null.

12. flinter/mastin2- More content please? I seem to agree with you much of the time though, and I think you're logic is alright. leaning town.

13. WormyKrew-I'm writing a case on you next. You're scummy. leaning scum.

California's different. (Which as I prefer'd to say, better.) Finals start in 6th grade here.

My case is coming up.

[jilynne1991]

Oh, and I put in that big long quote, since I was too lazy to cut it down, hope that doesn't bother you guys too much, sorry.

[jilynne1991]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Jil

Ironhead is providing consistent and thought out reasoning for his play. Sk and I (still) disagree with his POV, but I think there's a better place for our vote.

Jil is playing really bad. The main thing I want to ask her is this. Why would it matter in the first place if we were in pregame or not? You could've still posted your thoughts. It just doesn't make any sense to me.

Also: Jil seems like she is purposely trying not to give out too much information about herself, while absorbing everything around her.

Sorry, somehow I still thought it was pregame.

Well, I don't feel like typing it up again, so in a nutshell, I pretty much wrote the following:

I don't like RVS either (meaing that although I like spectating, I don't like participating.)

And that not liking RVS isn't necesarilly a scum tell.

The bolded above is an example of what I'm talking about. She has provided the game with essentially no information, while just sitting around and "spectating".

She also hasn't really tried to make others give out information either. The questions she has asked are unuseful and irrelevent.

tl;dr

Jil needs massive pressure

That's quick to get my lynched.

I'm sorry, I somehow missed this post until now, but my questions are certainly not unuseful. They help me understand the game, and I'm town-aligned, so, in turn, that helps town.

I don't like RVS, since I'm just a very logic-centered person by nature. I dislike the idea of

randomly

voting someone.

I may be wrong, but for me, it mattered whether or not we were in pregame, because I was amazed at the discussion going on during the pregame, and I was under the false impression that we weren't supposed to have too much discussion during pregame.

More posts to come! Sorry, if I knew how to put everything in a big, long post without saving, drafting, copying, and pasting multiple times, I would.

[jilynne1991]

Oh sorry, I didn't mean no pressure, I meant she wasn't the most pressured, and she didn't just leave us hanging.

Hmmm, ok, I don't know how I was under the false impression that alot of people determined that DY was scum. (I hope you don't mind me abbreviating you're name that way.)

Well, for monk, I marked that as leaning scum, because he gave me enough posts to work with.

Secret Project on the other hand, had very good activity and content. My gut feeling doesn't come first. My brain does.

Alduskkel on the hand gave me nothing to work with, so in that case, my gut feeling was based on nearly nothing.

[jilynne1991]

The obvscum thing was a joke...
I don't like the way jil is defending iron and copying his logic. I thought maybe jil was just a confused newb, but ear convinced me that jil is the better suspect (hence where our vote is now).

Does the fact, that maybe his logic made sense ever cross your mind? I may be a newb, but I don't think I'm *that* confused.

[jilynne1991]

Soben, you must understand that people also often leave a game when they feel like they can't win.

My gut read means something, when I'm on the edge of deciding someone. Otherwise, it doesn't mean very much.

It also means something, if I can't get a read on them. In monk's case, it's that I did already find him scummy.

I'll try to finish up my case on WormyKrew now.

[jilynne1991]

So many holes... I'll try to attempt to help the newb.
1. QT is a quicktopic. Scum use it to communicate during night, hydra heads can communicate whenever. Masons have them, neighbors have them, etc. This disturbs me that she didn't know what one was. However, she may have just not read here PM all the way through, or maybe didn't realize what it stood for?
2. Yes, if town wins, all townies win. Same with scum.
3. You only have 3 votes on you... WAY to early to give up... And if you aren't interested, then replace out, don't suicide.
4. You just said to go ahead and lynch you, now it's a waste?
5. We don't PLAN lynches. Setting up lynches beforehand is superscummy.
6. Now please reveal your "plan".

~Krew

Gosh, you seem to like twisting my words.

3) Who said I was going to give up? I just merely said, someof my other games are moree enticing.

4) I don't remember saying go ahead and lynch me. Where did that come from? It's a waste, because I won't be able to use my one-shot, which would be detrimental to the town to not make full use of it's abilities.

I don't know where you're making up stuff, but you're changing my words, and that really caught my eye. Town has no reason to twist words.

Soben, ok sorry, since I just replaced into a game, where I'm nearly 100% sure that happened. If you don't mind, I'll put out there one more piece of evidence on WormyKrew, and then I'll get started with Elsa.

If I'm asked to, I'm sure I can find more dirt on WK. (Ok, I'm abbreviating you're name, since it's getting annoying to type.)

[jilynne1991]

I've seen newbies "townslip" before. It's a clever tactic.
Also jil, DO NOT CLAIM yet. You claim when at L-1 with someone willing to hammer. Not before that. Also, please, decide. Do you want to be in this game or not? Because if you don't, then I beg of you to replace out.
~Krew

It's obvious from my join date, that I may be fairly a noob.

You seem very determined to make it seem like I was going to ditch the game? Why?

[jilynne1991]

Reread the last 5 pages or so. Honestly, I was most suspicious of our two hydras before, with Krew being suspect #1, and there has been nothing to change that suspicion while I wholeheartedly agree with SP's 467. I have several somewhat-solid town-reads that I'm making note of, but Krew has never pinged that bit of my brain even once, despite his relatively high activity. For the most part, the biggest thing that catches my eye seems like Krew flailing in his last few posts and switching to SP in an attempt to find any kind of purchase. I would like to vote, but don't know where we are in the vote count (I'll gladly put him at L-1, but I don't want to hammer out of the blue).

Ironhead seems opportunistic for his place on this wagon, but honestly there's no way to know if that's scummy or not until Krew flips. Something that stood out to me.

This logic makes sense to me. It's good content. That, in turn, makes me believe that she's town.

[jilynne1991]

(sleepy, btw)

I think I'd be okay with a Krew lynch at this point, based on the way he didn't let jily go in their exchange earlier and now has kind disappeared under pressure. I won't vote just yet, but that's something that I see a lot out of scum, at least when playing IRL (which is largely my base in playing mafia).

Also, getting town vibes from mastin since he joined and the way he's handling the current wagon. Is stating town-reads encouraged? I've always used them to much success and benefit to the town, but I kinda want to know other peoples' views on them

I agree with her logic. It makes sense, and it's decent. I don't think anyone can challenge that.

[jilynne1991]

Ok, honestly, I believe Elsa's town, because she has good content, and she was correct in what she said. She didn't try to change what anyone said, and she based her logic off of that. Therefore, in my eyes, she's town.

I admit I may have missed something, but unless someone can find a decent reason of why she's scum, I'm going to believe that she's town.

[jilynne1991]

2. splitfarvie/Scumhunter-Well, you completely slipped my mind, so either I'm having memory loss, or you're not posting enough. null.

That's us.

What do you mean by that?

[jilynne1991]

Wormy didn't twist you words or misrepresenting anything, if that's what your case revolves around you need to take a step back and rethink through it. You said exactly this: So if you guys want to lynch me go ahead, since this game isn't really interesting me that much.

The logic in the posts you pointed out of Elsas revolves around her stating that she is in agreement with a Wormy lynch soley due to Wormys vote on SP and that she had decent feeligns about Mastin. That's not exactly copious amounts of content and certaintly nothing to attain a town-read from.

You state you may have missed something pointing out why she's scum, here it is:

At the current moment the only scum-read that both Scumhunter and myself agree on is Elsa. The difference in he play here compared to her linked town-game is massive. In this game she has shown willingness to lurk, sheep the leading wagon and refrain from stating alternate reads. She has also shown intention to put Krew to L-1 without explaining her read of him or mentioning him at any point prior to this.

This makes me very comfortable where my vote currently is, you're voting Weirdalex for voting based on a weak case while being part of multiple weak cases already. You can attempt to deny it or cover it up as much as you want but essentially your reasoning for voting Alex is indeed an OMGUS.

Gosh, thanks.

Ok, WK, sorry, somehow I totally forgot about the "if you want to lynch me go ahead part." Sorry, I just now realized I had a very weak case. I think I'm done with WK, and I'm going to go with that he's leaning town now.

Crap, sorry Soben, sorry I don't realize how I msised that point entirely, but I think Weirdalex also had a weak case to vote her. Crap, crap, crap! I missed alot, and I seem to be doing that alot now.

She's leaning scum to null now for me, since the town read I had on her earlier still counts for something, but the point you just introduced now puts everything into a new perspective.

[jilynne1991]

I have a question. If I kill someone the night I get killed, then, does my kill still go through?

[jilynne1991]

Ok, can I just say something. I AM NOT DEPRESSED.

Also, I don't need to be gently tutored, but mastin2, thanks for being my shrink. You're mostly right about me.

Soben, why are you so desparate to say I'm new?

[jilynne1991]

Nice job, weird, ok, I lied about the part about school finishing, because my school ends on the 17th, but I was pretty free, so I didn't think that lie would hurt anyone.

YOU GUYS, I FEEL LIKE AN IDIOT, I JUST THOUGH OF SOMETHING.

PRETTY MUCH EVERYONE KNOWS THAT I HAVE A ONE SHOT I'M USING TONIGHT, BUT WHAT IF SOMEONE ROLEBLOCKS ME! I REALLY HOPE SCUM DOESN'T HAVE A ROLEBLOCKER.

[jilynne1991]

NO IF I WANT TO USE MY ONESHOT I NEED TO GET RID OF THE MAFIA ROLEBLOCKER CAN WE HAVE SOME DECENT SCUMHUNTING SO MY ONE SHOT DOESN'T GO TO THE WASTE? ANYWAYS, EVEN IF I USED THE ONE SHOT, AND IT DIDN'T COUNT I'D PROBABLY STILL GET KILLED SO IF THERE'S A MAFIA ROLEBLCOKER I REALLY NEED IT DEAD

[jilynne1991]

...Soben, you what you guys can do is that even if there is a role blocker, you guys can still figure out whose scum and not mislynch anyone so you guys kill off the roleblocker on day 1. That wouldn't hurt either.

From now on, I'll just keep a list of the votes for who I'm supposed to be shooting for:

Elsa (1): Soben

YAYYYYYYYY

(I like the above post.)

[jilynne1991]

LOL, ok my bad, I so happy at least one person thinks there's no mafia roleblocker and I just made a breakthrough in another game, so I'm a little giddy and my typing is funny, sorry!

I meant what you guys could do, is be extremely careful with voting people unless you're 150% sure and kill of scum on the first lynch.

[jilynne1991]

I only have one shot. I don't want it to be wasted.

Elsa (1): Soben
Alex(1): mastin2

[jilynne1991]

Well, I've already agreed to vig what the majority wants me to, so if I'm not town, I'll surely be lynched tomorrow, won't I?

Elsa (2): Captain Corporal, Soben
Alex (1): mastin2

Some reasoning please for why you guys want me to nk these people?

[jilynne1991]

Anyways, if I wasn't town, I'd probably claim something easier.

Feel free to lynch me tomorrow, if I'm not.

[jilynne1991]

Gosh, I really wish I know what makes Elsa so scummy, I mean alex I understand, but Elsa? Ok, time to reread.

Anyways, vig votecount:

Elsa von Spielburg (3) WormyKrew, Captain Corporal, Soben

weirdalexv (2) Secret Project, mastin2

(This is all under the pretense that mastin2 is right and I won't be roleblocked.)

Ok, from Soben's posts, I don't necesarily always agree with him, but now I'm nearly 100% sure he's town, based on his content and logic.

[jilynne1991]

Ok, you guys, if it's not too much trouble please bold your vig votes.

At first, weirdalexv looked leaning town, because he had good content and he made sense. Now, I need to rethink.

Elsa von Spielburg (3) WormyKrew, Captain Corporal, Soben

weirdalexv (3) Secret Project, mastin2, DarthYoshi

[jilynne1991]

Many of soben's tells seem weak but

TWIE has the worst content of any of the lurkers

and has been talking scummy garbiage ever since his horrible initial cases.

Amazing content you got there yourself.

I DON'T CARE.

Amazing. Simply Amazing.

Ok, you need to start caring about the game, and actually putting into some effort, since your comments are quite rude considering many other people are trying and caring, while you're making quick decisions that you should be thinking about.

[jilynne1991]

Oh crap, I feel so bad, I'm sorry brokenscraps, I usually post while I'm reading, and I really wish I read a little further first.

I'm so sorry, I should of read a bit more before posting! Sorry! Please ignore the above post. Thanks for making your case!

[jilynne1991]

OMG, I honestly don't know what's up with me, I'm over WormyKrew.

Unvote

[jilynne1991]

OMG, ok, if I don't snap out of whatever I'm in, I will seriously go and never /in for another game, since obviously I'm having problems.

Ok, sorry, Secret Project, somehow I got your and MrBump's avatar mixed up and I thought you said you wanted my role and flips a b----. Sorry! *facepalm* Crap!

[jilynne1991]

OMG, ok I've screwed up now, like 5x? OMG, OMG, OMG

SO SECRET PROJECT DID SAY THAT! CRAP, IGNORE THE PREVIOUS POST. OMG, OMG, OMG

UGH

[jilynne1991]

Elsa von Spielburg (4): WormyKrew, Captain Corporal, Soben, DarthYoshi, brokenscraps

weirdalexv (2): Secret Project, mastin2

TheWayItEnds (1): weirdalexv

You guys, I honestly don't think we should be lynching someone that's on V/LA, though that's your choice.

[jilynne1991]

Ok, but can please not end the day before she gets back and has a chance to reply then? Also, I'd like everyone to keep in mind that this is all assuming they don't have a role blocker. I'll take a guess and say that if we have two power roles, they probably have a role blocker, otherwise, probably not.

[jilynne1991]

Mastin2, I won't think your scum if they do, but I will give you h--- if it turns out they have a role blocker.

[jilynne1991]

Elsa von Spielburg (5): WormyKrew, Captain Corporal, Soben, DarthYoshi, brokenscraps

weirdalexv (2): Secret Project, mastin2

TheWayItEnds (1): weirdalexv

You guys, I honestly don't think we should be lynching someone that's on V/LA, though that's your choice.

Ok, I must have miscounted, though no one lynch anyone until Elsa gets back, do you not feel bad about vigging someone when their V/LA? That's like stabbing someone in the back.

[jilynne1991]

I'm moving so V/LA until Monday. Also, but I'll probably be in a horrible mood for the next week. God, I hate my parents.

[jilynne1991]

I tried to kill weirdalexv. F--- you. Excuse my language. I truly believed he was scum.

Now, I want to spend a little bit of time to figure out who would be gaining the most from Secret Project being dead. I think it might not be the person he was onto though, because scum probably want us to lynch them. This is so WIFOMy...

[jilynne1991]

I'd be glad to comply. I know I may survive a little longer if I fence sit, but I still believe Alex is scum. Though how he didn't react to me trying to vig him suprises me.

VOTE: weirdalexv

[jilynne1991]

If I must be lynched if you guys don't win, lynch me earlier. I'm not bitter or anything, I just don't want to spend unnesecary energy on a game where I'm going to be killed. (I actually want to spend my summer productively, but I'd hate to replace out.)

Anyways, I don't think I'm good at finding scum or anything.

To be honest I was suprised when Wormy flipped scum too.

You know what? Forget it, keep me around as long as you want. Btw, it's fine, DarthYoshi. I understand your reasoning.

[jilynne1991]

I don't have any bad feelings about Aldduskel, so if must be, I say DarthYoshi. I've never been a good judge of character or anything, but I'm pretty sure they're both town. I want weirdalexv dead.

[jilynne1991]

What matters if how long he stayed on their wagons.

Dude, it's obvious why he won't elaborate. (At least to me.) He doesn't want to get killed.

[jilynne1991]

Sorry! My dad took my computer away, since he's cruel and unfair, but I'll have it back in a week. LOL...I don't like being a PR. Also, I only had one shot. I want multi-shot day vig. Anyways, what I meant was I like playing as mafia more than anything else.

[jilynne1991]

CC still looks good to me. I still hate him, and I'd love him dead, but I think he's town.

Elsa...seems to be looking for scum where there isn't scum...and she knows it. Elsa, you just put yourself on the top of my scumlist.

[jilynne1991]

This is one boring game.

I think weird asked me a question earlier that I missed, do you mind retyping it?

[jilynne1991]

1. wierdalexv-This is hard. I'm not really getting a scum vibe from you anymore. Null.

2. Scumhunter-I like you're content and everything. It's good. Town.

3. Elsa von Spielburg-In the beginning, I thought you were scum, but now you seem more town. Leaning town.

4. Captain Corporal-Well, I would like to hear a little more, but you seem very town-ish. Town.

5. jilynne1991-Definitely town. No matter what.

6. TheWayItEnds-You're always on my radar, but you don't seem that scummy. You are the scummiest as of now though. Null.

7. DarthYoshi-I could see you as scum, but I think you would have played differently if you were. Leaning town.

8. Twistedspoon-I feel like you're town, but I need to reread and hear more out of you before I really decide.

10. Ironhead-Based on your meta and content, you look town. Town.

11. Alduskkel-You seem as scummy as he--, I also want you to give me a read of everyone here. Along with a case on the 3 people you the scummiest. Thanks.

Ok, with the dad taking my pc away thing, he takes it away like once a week, but I on weekdays, I can usually use the desktop.

Sorry about flaking, I'm close to getting lynched in 1/3 of my games, so those are the ones on my mind.

I like playing as mafia, because it makes eveyrthing so much easier, so that's kind of why I'm flaking. I'll work on that though.

[jilynne1991]

I'm not really grounded from the computer...it's more like I just have to use it while they're at work or in the middle of the night.

Ok, and I don't know how the scummiest part got onto TWIE's explanation, that was supposed to go with Aldusskel.

Can we lynch me earlier instead of later? Since in all honestly, I know I'm not that useful, and this game is getting a little boring. So if I'm really going to get lynched...can we make it quick?

[jilynne1991]

I checked this thread after twistedspoon posted.

Happy? I posted. This game is still boring, and now I have no freaking clue whose scum or not. Gosh. Ok, well now that we're all in favor of me getting lynched, does anyone want to put some actions behind the words? *looks around* Apparently not.

[jilynne1991]

Oh, and yes, I post alot more when I'm scum. Or when I'm interested in the game. (Which happens to be when I'm scum.)

[jilynne1991]

I'm confused alot of the time.

[jilynne1991]

Lol, Alduskkel's really right about that.

If I even have a few pages, I start flaking, 42 must be he--.

[jilynne1991]

I'll support an Ald lynch...

[jilynne1991]

I want weirdalexv to die, but it's not going anywhere.

[jilynne1991]

You guys...I am sooo sorry, but I really need to start cutting the crap out of my life, because I'm going to a math camp soon and then I'm trying to get into a boarding school, I'm sorry, but I'm going to have to leave mafiascum, sorry.