Into Africa - Over

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Vote: Llamarble

His avatar trolls me every time. He yells at me for hammering and I THINK HE'S SCUM KIRK LAUGHING AT ME.

Ranmaru/July Hydra reporting in.

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LOL...I was just going to vote myself...until I realized I was myself.

Don't do that, that's a no no.

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Unvote Vote: Elli

... >_>

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k.
You, Snarky, who else?

Why did you vote yourself?

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Vote: Flavour Analysis

You've got a broken sarcasm detector

...I have this vague feeling there's some sarcasm I'm just not detecting.

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 8#p2991458

Unvote Vote: Silavor

You are hypocritical.

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Quite the scumdar you have there, Llama.

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Not racing at all.

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Cirno, Silavor, and Alti, you guys lurking. Post.

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So? I saw it a while ago (You linked to the thread, remember?) And thought it odd you would say that when I have remembered you saying that.

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WHOA WHOA ARE THEY ROLEFISHING US ALREADY ELLIE?

FOR FUCKS SAKE

UNVOTE:
VOTE: SNARKY

I don't know what the you mean. Elli self-voted, and I voted him for self-voting.

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Ooh okay Snarky is scum too and can die first.

Sup broski. You sheepin?

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You're not Snarky. What's the problem?

Problem is I'm confused as to why Fate think's I'm racing. It has to do with my vote on Elli, basically.

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Someone that no one has voted yet.

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Reads:

Elli - Self voting.
Silavour: For being hypocritical, and hunting for weak reasons to prey on others like Zel1nk.

I'm cool with a wagon on either of these guys and I don't give a fuck what Fate think's because he is obviously wrong.

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I haven't seen anything scummy from you thus you are null to me.

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Wrong about Elli being town.

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Plus it seems you are buddying each other from outside thread bonds, so that is why I think you are fisting each other, and not that you know each other's alignment.

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I don't.

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Nah. I'm 21 and live in America.

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Then how am I obviously wrong? You OBVIOUSLY have less of a clue about Ellie's alignment (besides being scum and knowing hes not scum with you) than I do, yet your immediate response is to say I'm obvwrong?

K IM DONE WITH THIS

UNVOTE:
VOTE: FLAVOUR

I don't know that he is town. Seeing that I voted him earlier. I haven't seen any scumminess from you, but me saying you are wrong doesn't mean you are town or scum. It is null.

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It's like this Fate:

You are wrong, I don't give a fuck about your read.

I will push for Elli and Silavor. Done.

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Who should I vote for if I want to look more town?

Snarky?

SO MANY SCUM SO LITTLE TIME

VOTE: Ze1ink

Snarky: rolefishing on page 1. Needs rope.

Flavour Analysis: May also need rope. Trying very hard to look town but is dancing around Snarky. If Snarky is scum, I'll go after FA (and vice versa)

No one else making me twinge yet but that's probably because DK hasn't posted.

Inb4 vezok claims vanilla

P edit: Why is this happening? The fucking rolefishing in this game is astounding.

P edit 5 million: Fuck you spammers. I'm going to bed.

Nice re-hash and no new content. And I am not fucking role fishing, so back off.

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Ellies content: Talks about Flavour and Snarky, nothing else. Nice job man.

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Eh, am I daykilled?

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If I am, I'm going to guess Elli is a mafia executioner of the sort.

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Ellies content: Talks about Flavour and Snarky, nothing else. Nice job man.

Repeating this ^.

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Well good job you idiot.

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I'm a Zebra. Townie.

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My picks are still

Elli
Silavor

Add Llamarble for sheepin. Others too but meh.

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Park your reads harder, FAscum. *rolls eyes*

You little shits were so busy being scummy that I forgot to say this:

I have loved Africa since I did a research project on Kenya in kindy.

Also I was obsessed with the Lion King.

I'm cooler than you all because I pre-/inned.

That is all.

P-edit: Yes, you are, FA. And there is some new content there, but some of what is happening is so obvious that rehashing can't be helped. This game is in easy mode right now.

OMG it's page 3 do not attack someone for limited content.

@ edit a million: Hmmm. Interested to see what happens here. Can't get a fucking post iin edgewise.

Don't tell me not to attack someone for limited content. Too bad.

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Amrun you defending Elli for me attacking him?

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Add Llamarble for sheepin. Others too but meh.

There are sheep in Africa? I think you mean anteloping.

Yeah I guess I do.

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I won't stop posting.

Here's what you do:

You see me say I don't like selfvoting
You vote yourself (dumbfuck)
and I vote you. You vote me in omgus and call me scum for that? You make me laugh.

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If you're town shut up and stop spamposting and wait for Llama to

shut you up for good.

If you're scum keep on going. Doesn't matter.

Naw ear.

You bite me to shut me up, not because you think i'm scum?

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Picking apart bad attacks =/= defense.

Elli is almost definitely town, though.

Every single attack of yours has had some token reason that aren't even scumtells.

That's not scumhunting.

Also like 1/3 of the playerlist hasn't even posted, so what the hell do you expect? A full reads list?

And his attack was good? I'd like you to explain how it was.

How do you know that?

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My attacks weren't the best yet I didn't have the best leads, but I tried.

Do you think anyone else had better leads?

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cool. I'll take the trade, one townie that was posting about EVERYTHING for a near confirmed slot.

IGMEOY: ZeL1nk

p-edit: Elli thought you were scum FA. If you can't see that, then you're being ridiculous.

I don't think that he did. I'm not.

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I claimed it for you guys to discuss.

And ellie isn't confirmed at all.

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K, FA is confirmed scum.

No town would go "oh Ive been daykilled? Let me claim all my shit..."

Nope.

If you really WERE daykilled, you'd die and flip Zebra.

If you WERENT you just claimed VT for no reason.

SO LOLDIE

I got bitten in AFRICA. What would you think?

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Nope. I thought he was serious.

I'm town. I would want people to discuss my claim before a thread lock.

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I don't know that they usually do that. *shrug*

Sure there would be things to discuss. Like "WTF MAN" and stuff like that.

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Ranmaru the whole time.

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That's a bullshit reason. You should be scumhunting.

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I don't give a fuck. You WILL hear input from me. Not sitting in a corner bro.

Oh pointless shit? Oh let me point you towards this:

I haven't seen anything scummy from you thus you are null to me.

I thought I was "obviously wrong?"

How could I be wrong unless I was town?

How could you KNOW I was town without knowing Snarky's alignment?

LOLSCUM

I'm tempting to go FA first just to put a stop to his SCUMSPAM of the thread.

Gimme a few more pages

Great reasoning sherlock.

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FoS: Jil

I was cussing as well.

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This is why they lynched you in Singer's game I see.

And I THOUGHT you were a good player too.

Your input is worth nothing to this town.

Oh yeah you are such a great scum hunter yourself. I have seen you do dumb shit in that game too.

I'm a reckless player, I don't give a fuck.

I'm used to faster deadlines so deal with it.

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I'm cool with that wagon.

Unvote Vote: Fate

WOW YOU DID. NS, LURKED HARDCORED. THAT'S HARD TO SEE FROM HIS META. MVP FOR YOU FATE.

AgAR? SMILY TELL. AGAIN, META. PLUS LLAMA LEAD THE AGAR LYNCH WHILE BEING COP.

If I'm wrong then I don't remember which 2 scum you mean. I was wrong but so what.

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Evilpacman, stop lurking and post.

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Evilpacman, stop lurking and post.

Fuck you, I was reading.

Man takes you a long time to read, what are you 10?

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No he is scum, Jil. Move your vote.

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No I was lynched in that game not him.

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@Fate: I guess I have better reads when I replace in, then when I am in from the start. I think you are giving me a little less credit then I deserve though. How else do you expect me to catch scum, when you ask me to sit in a corner? It's also hard to determine your motive when you don't give much reason for you reads. I will concede to your point about Singer's game, and I will take it back. You did get night killed, and kinda caught scum. Now, did you even read my catch up post at all?

I didn't like your stunts like wanting to lynch Sudo without a claim. This is my playstyle. I post actively, and I talk about everything. I don't like anti-town players like Elli who self vote themselves for lulz.

I'm a straight forward person.

@Fate and Elli: What do you two think about Cirno , Llama, and Earworm?

@Fate: Now, you asked the same type of question Snarky did. Is this not hypocritical? Explain the difference.

@Everyone: What are your thoughts on self-voting, policy lynching, and pre-mature claims?

@Jilynne: Nah, I screwed up, you did the best you could with what I left you. I was talking about your self-talking in the scum QT. You hurt my feelings, you know! (irony, it was quite funny to read )

Now back on topic:

@ZeL1nK: Please, no policy lynching. DK is awesome. i don't like the proposition. PL is only good for scum.

@Fate: How do you know Ellibereth is town?

unvote

vote:ZeL1nK

WHOA WHOA ARE THEY ROLEFISHING US ALREADY ELLIE?

FOR FUCKS SAKE

UNVOTE:
VOTE: SNARKY

Man Flavor is BEGGING FOR IT over Snarky.

He's even talking like he already knows I'm town.

MAN

CAN SOMEONE BE A DAYVIG PLEASE?

I haven't seen anything scummy from you thus you are null to me.

I thought I was "obviously wrong?"

How could I be wrong unless I was town?

How could you KNOW I was town without knowing Snarky's alignment?

LOLSCUM

I'm tempting to go FA first just to put a stop to his SCUMSPAM of the thread.

Gimme a few more pages

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I voted him to prove a point that I dislike self-votes.

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Sup Fate, can you skim harder? Answer my questions.

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@CKD:

I was proving a point. It wasn't exactly a scumtell, yet Elli omgused me. (By saying "K, so you and Snarky)

I told Jily that Self votes are bad, and Elli self voted himself, so I voted. IN RVS. Big deal.

I am scumhunting now, on Fate. (I'm voting him now)

I think my best lead is on Fate, then with Elli or Silavor.

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@Elvis Knits: Yes I know it wasn't the best reason to vote Silavor but I found it quite amusing so I brought it up. I admit it wasn't a good lead but I moved on from that.

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That was not a joke. I was cussing as well so I FoS'd her for selectively tunneling on someone for cussing. Yet she explained it was because Fate cussed AT her.

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In fact I find Cirno and Earmworm to be scummier than Elli and Silavor.

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I just mentioned them now. :/

Yep. We were in RVS. Fate vote is srs.

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Who needs a vote? That was her opinion and I FoS'd her for not including me.

No it does seem important because she was on the fence with Fate and wanting to join his wagon because of how he was acting.

Her motive would be to attack Fate knowing that there are others that might approve. It wasn't a defense because she didn't say anything about me.

@Pedit: I'll show you h/o.

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I'm with Fate here.

post 78-thinks they've been daykilled
post 80-Ellie "confirms" this suspicion
post 82-responds to "confirmation"
post 83-Finally claims

No reason to wait that long if they were going to claim. (which is the bad move. always.)

VOTE: FA

This right here. Bad reason to call me scum and to join my wagon.

I usually post quickly because I'm used to faster games. So I post first before editing in more content.

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inHim:

You could look at Fate, Cirno, or Earworm. I think Cirno is a good choice.

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VOTE: Fate

For language use.


Actually,

because I don't like his push on Flavour

or his suggestion that no more input is needed from him.

Can you explain why you didn't like his push?

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Ellibereth, sorry but I'm probably going to mix up your gender, your name confuses me greatly. Throwing that out immediately.

K, FA is confirmed scum.

No town would go "oh Ive been daykilled? Let me claim all my shit..."

Nope.

If you really WERE daykilled, you'd die and flip Zebra.

If you WERENT you just claimed VT for no reason.

SO LOLDIE

What reason would there have been not to claim it? If we were really daykilled I would have been pretty upset too considering I hadn't even posted yet. And you have been pretty sure we are scum so far even though there are people that haven't even posted yet. Scum hunting is good but your certainty in finding scum with more than 2/3 of the player list yet to post is unfounded.

@Fate

: Are you still sure of your town read on Ellie? Do you see town motivation in the gambit he pulled?

As for the gambit: Gambiting so early with so many people yet to post doesn't seem to have much value. I'm not sure what you were trying to accomplish; scum motivation would be to out a pr, but I really am not sure what motivation you would have as town to pull that.

I'd think "Either I just died or its a post RVS gambit for reactions"

I wouldn't fucking CLAIM, but I'm town, so hey

You wouldn't be frustrated at all? And I've never seen a "post RVS gambit" this early before, you speak as if this is something quite common. BUT we have been in a game where a mafia executioner suddenly executed a kill in the middle of D1. So valid concern was valid.

You should shut the fuck up and sit in a corner.

We have your claim, we don't need any more input for you.

Play like an ACTUAL hydra and only post once every few days updated reads and shit.

We don't need you spamming the goddamn thread.

Good lord we have enough of it this game with jilynne "OH HAI IM GONNA POINT OUT USELSES SHIT ALL DAY"

and etc.

So for your own fucking good SHUT UP

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Vote Snarky

Why are you trying to shut down option and opinions? We could just sit back and let you run town and hope really hard that you are not scum, or we can ask questions and figure it out ourselves. I'm not just going to sit back and be apathetic town, I plan on winning or losing of my own damn initiative.

With that said, I mainly directed my post at Fate, because he cussed at

me.

Kk that is understandable.

I was claiming Antelope.

I'm not claiming role lol.

This seems like a variation on the "Wow I'm so glad I got town this game" post people often make in the beginning of games. I never really liked that, although its not scummy per se. IGMEOY.

@elvis-knits:

legitimate catch-up post and actual analysis. As for this,

I was cussing as well.

Here, FA reads in some sort of hypocrisy on jil b/c jil mentions cussing but only attacks fate and not him also. :ROLL:

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This was just to make sure that Jil wasn't tunneling Fate, and like I said she gave a valid explanation for mentioning Fate's swearing. That's that, jil's play other than that has been pretty consistent and she is at least thinking things through.

You know who I got a feeling about?

Vote earworm….a wagoner without much/any content…trying to stay under the radar…..vibes vibes vibes.

Legit point is legit. Rest of the post was good too, i'm a sucker for catch-up posts because it shows effort, but this is deff noted.

Also,

curiouskarma

, you say that Fate is likely town, is this based off meta, play toDay, or both? either way can you explain, I've never played with Fate before but I'm not convinced Fate is going pro-town at this.

self-voting, policy lynching, and pre-mature claims are stupid.

When they're done seriously.

I still can't tell if you're just trolling, or if you really are that terribad that you thought Elli's self-vote was vote-worthy.

This vote was the product of a deeply ingrained theory that we learned from another site that self-voting is ALWAYS scummy. It's a hella good reason to call people out and vote them. Just vote; it's not like we were actually going to push for his lynch based on something that trivial. That's what a vote is for, to put pressure on someone for their actions, and even in joking there could have been some value in that reaction.

Confirm Vote: FA

To prove a POINT?

Because you were talking AS IF you had a pretty strong scumrean on Ellie.

LOLBACKTRACKMOARSCUM

Point: We are trained scum-hunting machines with extra-strong detectors for self-votes. For me its a pet peeve to self-vote, Ran often sees it as a scum tell, but either way if you self-vote you can expect it to elicit a reaction from us.

I'm a Zebra. Townie.

You claimed when you were in a threat of being lynched, why?

That makes me feel like you're scum claiming so early.

Also, all scums claim Vanilla Townie, it's a fact.

I explained this earlier, having not been able to post yet I would have done the same thing if we actually had been daykilled because its frustrating. As long as town wins idc if I die, but I want to have ONE post before I die lol. Glad we aren't dead but still, I understand Ran's frustration at the situation and his claim.

Flavor claimed when he was in no threat of being lynched, we caught scum, there is no need for anybody to defend him, and it's irony how some are staying away from his case.

This is true, we were in danger of being daykilled. "we caught scum"....that's a pretty lofty and absolutely wrong statement, and I can't tell if you are overconfident town or scum itching for an easy lynch. I'm leaning towards the first, but considering that we are a pretty easy lynch target and even easier for people to just bandwagon, I'm keeping my eye on you as well.

@Snarky voters: I saw a lot of Snarky votes while reading, is this RVS or PL motivated?

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Vote: PeregrineV

Two posts, an RVS vote and one asking for clarification of other people's reads but no legitimate reads of his own yet.

@Peregrine

: Who are your scum picks? Thoughts on Fate and ZeL1nk? They are two of the most active players so far so there is plenty of information from them.

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"Into Africa, a 24 player preditor-prey large theme is underway [0] spots remaining."

I think this most likely disprove's Pacman's theory.

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This is true, we were in danger of being daykilled. "we caught scum"....that's a pretty lofty and absolutely wrong statement, and I can't tell if you are overconfident town or scum itching for an easy lynch. I'm leaning towards the first, but considering that we are a pretty easy lynch target and even easier for people to just bandwagon, I'm keeping my eye on you as well.

Wtf are you talking about? Who can daykill? Was this on the first page?

Ellie claimed that he had daykilled us, or flavorwise bit us. Ran was frustrated because it could have been legit (I've seen executioners daykill on D1 before) and claimed our role. Ellie was gambiting, but Ran thought we might actually have been daykilled or that he still might daykill us (if "bite" was just for reactions and the daykill was pm'ed or a different command) so he claimed out frustration at possibility that Ellie's powers were legit. And the Ellie daykill thing was on pg 4 I think? It was in the first few pages.

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@DeityKabuto: We've never played with Vi, but knowing that, if I now played a game with him and he "Day killed", I would assume it was fake. With Ellie, we've never played with him before and not knowing about his playstyle, he could have been serious and it could have been a legit command. We gave him that benefit of the doubt.

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First thing is first. Fate, answer our damn questions. You seem to be ok to attack my playstyle and my skill, but you don’t even answer my IN-GAME CONTENT QUESTIONS. I’m trying to develop my read on you, and you won’t let me. That is anti-town. AND DON’T EVEN SAY I AM POINTING OUT POINTLESS SHIT.

After DK’s #267, I am assuming he was fine with my other head’s explanation since he totally dropped the questioning. Usually DK always wagons on whoever is popular so this makes him null.

Amrun posts crap content. Repeats about rolefishing. Insists that Earworm is buddies with me, only if I flip scum first. She says this only because I said Earworm was scummy.

I like Elvis’s

slight

effort, but there is one thing I dislike very much:

In fact I find Cirno and Earmworm to be scummier than Elli and Silavor.

Why earworm?

She keeps asking why Earworm. This means she may agree on Cirno but not Earworm.

Then she gives new content, and also insists that she doesn’t get why people are on Earworm. Or rather, that she isn’t feeling it. She doesn't really pressure my slot at all, yet she still sits on the wagon, bringing no new content about me.

Then next post, Amrun buddying up to Elvis.

Not familiar with "fisting." What's that?

ahahaha.
Sorry. I'll do something soon. Just found that hilarious. I'm so mature.

Oh yeah, I didn’t actually mean you too were fisting each other. When I said that, I meant bro-fisting. You know, like SUP BRO. BRO SUP! FIST IT MAN. FIST INCOMING. U RDY? YA BRING IT! You know?

I'm not ignoring it either, fate. There's just a lot of crap here to sift through.

To whoever had issues with someone's antelope claim, go read the thread again. It's a continuation of a joke from earlier on, when someone pointed out that since sheep don't live in africa, anyone who sheeps is actually and antelope, not a sheep.

Still having scummy feelings from Ze.

Yes, I pointed out that Llamarble was sheeping, and I think Ze pointed out that there aren’t Sheep in Africa, so that he must have been antelopin. Then Vezo comes in saying he is anteloping like his role name suggests, or rather, that he is SHEEPING, and insisting his role name is antelope. Quite the coincidence. Btw, this post seems like you are clamming up to Fate. It sounds like "Oh, me too Fate!" OH I AGREE. Seacore’s post doesn’t seem that way.

FoS for you

Oh I haven't used my investigation yet. I might be insane. I might be craaaaaazy.
earworm wagon is a good wagon.

Unvote, vote earworm

Why exactly do you feel this way about Earworm? I have asked you about him before but you have said NOTHING. (I agree he is a good wagon)

Anyways, Peregine attacking Lowell for lurking, ha.

@Flavor:
Scum is Atilysan and pappums Rat and Lowell.

Fate: started out with a great Lowell vote, but then flew around like crazy. Probably scum.

ZeLink: Scum

Flavor himself- town

See here. At the time, neither of those three have posted much. Atil has posted after that, but this still counts as a lurker scum tell being used by Pere, because this was his meaning at the time. Isn't this a bit hypocritical of you?

@DK- I'm in another fucking game with you right now. God.

@alt-

Re: first vote. The case on Snarky had already been said. I was sheeping it completely. I didn't want to waste space repeating it again. How is this scummy?

Re: rolefishing by Snarky (latest). He keeps on asking Elli questions about his "role claim". And asking other people about it. THERE IS NO NEED FOR TOWN TO TRY AND FIGURE OUT WHERE POWER ROLES ARE DAY 1. NONE.

So my question to Snarky: Why ask?

@ZeL1nk: OK, if you can read DK easily why would you want to lynch him? I get his play is bad, but if you could possibly get a town read on him later and be fairly confident of this why would you want him gone now?

You sheeped on me and Snarky. Uh, you didn't want to repeat space?

And I'm trying to provide content for people to read me by

So, you want to provide content, yet you don't want to repeat space? I'm sure you can point other things from your pov, not just only be able to 'repeat space'.

Why not do it in the same post?

Because it's Ranmaru? Never seen Ranmaru play before?

nope.

I'm also getting bad vibes from evilpacman, mainly for this post. Gonna put him on my watchlist.

Oh and FA is still scum. Latest exchange cements it in my mind.

See here, Ze's point didn't even make Earworm re-consider or even think about it. He then moves onto another subject.

I am only playing one game at a time and

am only going to post once a day

If you're not going to follow this why post it?

P-edit: @CKD: What do you want me to say? You say that you voted me for wagoning and not having much content. Oh and vibes. The wagoning is

slightly

correct, though I did provide a seperate case. And

I'm trying to provide content

for people to read me by. Can't do anything about those vibes though.

So overall I think your vote is weak, but I can see why you would do it at this point of the game. (i.e. pressure, blah, blah, blah...)

This is a bad reaction to CKD's pressure. Where exactly did he try to provide content? Sheeping Does not equal providing content. He then says the wagoning he did was slightly correct, to distance himself from the problem.

Unvote Vote: Earworm

What are your reads besides me and Snarky? Explain why. What are your reads on: Fate, Elli, Elvis, and Amrun?

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Pappums Rat

: What's up with your vote on Amrun, that RVS? I remember you asking if you were a VI. I suggest you try a bit harder. Give 2-3 scumpicks please.
@

DeityKabuto

: Who is scum?
@

Amrun

: How do you feel about Pappum's vote on you? What is your current read on Earworm?
@

Fate

: Look at these posts. #170 and #257 Answer the questions within them.
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Elli

: Look at these posts. #170 and #257 Answer the questions within them.
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Hezlucky

: Who is scum besides me? 2-3 picks and why please. I agree Elli is anti-town, but I don't mind Fate's vote hopping, because I like vote hopping. Generates info. Only thing that should be looked at is WHY is Fate vote hopping. What I don't get is why you mention this so late.
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Elvis

: Why exactly is Earworm leaning town to you, and why is Silavor town to you? How do you feel about Amrun buddying you so adamantly?
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Seacore

: 2-3 Scumpicks please.
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Llamarble

: I expect more from you. 2-3 scumpicks please.
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Cirno

: Any new thoughts?
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Tajo

: Where you at son? Get into the game. /Gatorade

WAIT WAIT. IS THAT MY SIG? LOL. JULYYYYYYYYYYYY

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Snarky voters

: I saw a lot of Snarky votes while reading, is this RVS or PL motivated? (If you haven't answered this already)

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This is stuff I picked up from a re-read:

cool. I'll take the trade,

one townie

that was posting about EVERYTHING for a near confirmed slot.

IGMEOY: ZeL1nk

p-edit: Elli thought you were scum FA. If you can't see that, then you're being ridiculous.

Also, what's up with this Earworm?

Hey, I'm not saying Flavour's town or anything, but c'mon, that's a bit vague/lazy, don't you think?

Yeah. It is.

Unvote

VOTE: Snarky

I feel this interaction between Ze and Jil was a bit weird. Like she was playing the middle man to keep Ze in check.

Fine, Elli, I can live with him being vigfood. I don't see how he's dumbtown, as opposed to scum, though.

Jil, that's just how some people here are, Fate included. If he suddenly

stopped

swearing at everyone,

then

we might have cause for concern.

Silavor buddying up to Elli.

@CKD: Oh, that comment in regards to Pacman's reading level was an insult because he insulted me for calling him out for lurking. I just thought it took him a long time to post so little content.

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@

Snarky

: Why exactly is Amrun scum to you? Can you give a few reasons?

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@

Snarky

: Yes I agree that Amrun is simply going with the flow. This is not the play I have seen from her usually. How do you feel about her stances besides me, such as Earworm?

@

Silavor

: Ah, I see. How is your read progressing with Snarky now? Is his recent actions lining up with his past actions?

Oops post mine.

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@

Atil

: I see you viewing for quite a bit. Do you have any new thoughts? How are your reads developing?

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Elvis Knits

:

I disagree. I have always played in this way, see this quote:

The best and quite possibly only reason you should argue with someone you think is scum is to get them to clarify something they said earlier

I always ask people questions, poke at them, and make sure that they are following up and are being genuine with their actions. As that quote has said, I always ask people to clarify themselves, and to talk. Simple as that.

My Silavor vote was RVS fueled. As you can see, I have seen him say that before, and it was funny to see HIM say that. The vote on Elli was serious, because I dislike self voters, and self hammerers. I generally do not like anything that is hurtful to town. I do see Elli getting good info from his gambits and such, so I am not worried about him at all.

Ok, for my FoS on Jil, she doesn’t need to VOTE so I can see scum motivation or not. He has been cussing, and I have been cussing back at him. I thought it was a bit tunnelly, but I misunderstood her motivation after the FoS. It was no stretch, it was a minor suspicion which would be ok for me to use an FoS. I am not trying to paint her as scum, and I am not even pushing for her. She has explained that it was because Fate has cussed AT HER, rather than just attacking Fate for cussing generally. From then on, I didn’t find anything scummy from her. The only thing I didn’t like was her response to Ze’s ‘lazyness’, which I pointed out seemed like her playing the middle man. Rather, I didn’t think it scummy OF her, but I thought it was a weird interaction, because I couldn’t tell if that was her being genuine or not. It would make me believe Ze and her are of different alignments if possible. I believe this because Ze actually listened to her without hesitation.

Now, you have not answered my question and I’d like for you to answer it please:

Question

: “Why exactly is Earworm town to you? So you found Silavor town for agreeing with you, not for pro-town motivation? How do you feel about Amrun buddying you so adamantly?”

I think your reason for voting me is pretty weak. I have never role fished. Again, my Silavor and Elli votes were early in RVS. You didn’t even get here until page 7, #156. You had more content to read and analyze, while I had little to base my reads on and had actually started discussion myself. If you self vote, I will yell at you. If you self hammer, I will yell at you endgame and lose respect for you (if you were town).

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Earworm

: Yet you couldn’t produce your own after sheeping for a bit?

Yes, I am saying you didn’t consider it. If you were town, you would try to consider it because of course you’d want to preserve possible townies. Here, you didn’t seem to care, even if Ze’s point wasn’t clear. It doesn’t absolve you from thinking through.

That is a bit IIoA. You say I am scum because of ‘the latest exchange’ cemented in your mind somehow. You never explained what motive I had in that exchange, that was scummy. Basically you were ‘wasting space’ by saying that I was scummy with a non-existent motive. (Because you never explained it)

You weren’t sheeping Fate?

cool. I'll take the trade,

one townie

that was posting about EVERYTHING for a near confirmed slot.

IGMEOY: ZeL1nk

p-edit: Elli thought you were scum FA. If you can't see that, then you're being ridiculous.

See here. You seemed to be okay with that trade. So obviously you weren’t thinking I was scum, but then:

I'm with Fate here

.

post 78-thinks they've been daykilled
post 80-Ellie "confirms" this suspicion
post 82-responds to "confirmation"
post 83-Finally claims

No reason to wait that long if they were going to claim. (which is the bad move. always.)

VOTE: FA

You seemed to agree with Fate. So this seemed to be minor sheeping. Do you agree?

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Atil

: Ah I see, sorry, thank you for clarifying. I can see that your reads are the closest to mine. I just disagree with Elvis. I feel she is null leaning scum, because she seems to avoid the Earworm question that I have asked, and has been pressuring her town read without explaining why he was leaning town earlier. Jil is a bit null to me. Cirno isn’t really contributing much and I don’t like that. Everything else is A-OK.

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Tajo

: Sup bro. I disagree with your Elvis read. I may be biased as she is voting me, but I feel that she has pushed for her town read and hasn’t really explained why Earworm was leaning townie to her. (Although she seems to have explained her Silavor read a little later) Case on Earworm is above. Basically, he has said he has been trying to help town by providing content to help us read him, yet he has mostly sheeped others. Sheeping doesn't actually help anyone get reads, since he can just appeal to authority (the person he sheeped)

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@

Amrun

: Also Elli should answer my questions too.

Not a misrep. I was talking about one of your posts, and it was only three lines of re-hashed content. The last part seemed to be my pov of why you connected Earworm to me. Ah, you may have a point there. I was going to say it would be null since town would do it too, but yeah don't know why he was pushing on Silavor's point. Don't find Silavor scummy for that though, and I don't like Elvis's push on her town read. I remember you saying this before. I guess it's a strong belief for you, eh?

Cute, cute. It's OMGUS when I was voting for him before he ever voted me? Besides, one instance OMGUS by itself is not a scumtell,

even though I accused Zel of doing it

(which he did, in my opinion).

So you mean to say you didn't really think Zel's OMGUS was a scumtell? Fair enough, I can tell that sometimes playstyles really mesh and somehow you get town tells confused with really liking their playstyle. Here though it seems like you are buddying and not really sharing ideas or conversing with Elvis much, amirite? Ok, so she thinks the same way you do. Don't you think that makes it THAT much more important to keep an eye on her, so that you aren't completely biased on your read on her?

Snarky: I think it's an obvious joke. Stop fishing.

DK: Earworm could have been coaching FA not to flip out.

Peregrine: Was your last post a joke? Seriously?

This was what I was talking about [crap content]. Your last point is new and I like it only because you also are asking him about 'not posting = scumtell'.

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Jil

: Why is your vote still on Elli from RVS? What are your thoughts on Earworm, DK, Amrun, Elvis, and Silavor? (Also please state if they seem scummy or townie to you)

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CKD

: Ah, thank you. My other head wanted to make sure that you were backing up your read and she didn't know how you attained it. I on the other hand, have played with Fate before. I do notice that he does usually attacks player's skill level alot and it doesn't really help the game or the player. In fact I think Fate has attacked a player for using a gambit.

Ok, I think he may have been right about what that dude did, but Fate always tries to spin this off on anyone (In underlined):

There ARE votes across the board on you. But hey were ALL opportunisric scum right?

Seriously.

The fact you're talking to me like you know I'm TOWN

while calling me scum out the other side of your mouth makes this laughable.

I trust that this playerlist will hammer without a claim because of how scummy DH is.

Course, I thought DH was scum too, but he was actually town. So, I believe this to be a bad tell for Fate to use, and it is annoying. And as you can see, THIS [in the bold] is what I was talking about when I referred to Fate's "STUPID SHIT" that I hate. I have addressed it in my replace in post but he NEVER responded, and instead just called me town without much reason. So Fate is null to me. The only good thing he does do, is pressure people. That I am ok with. But not with attacking playstyles, skill etc.

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@

Elli

: I did some meta research on you and noticed you don't like walls, so i put this in a separate post for you because I never get responses from you.

The only thing I don't like about jil is this:

Unvote

VOTE: Flavour Analysis

#50, #51, #53, #60, #61... Whatever, just every post he's made.

Hey,

I'm not saying Flavour's town or anything

, but c'mon,

that's a bit vague/lazy, don't you think

? Can you give a proper case on him though.

I will review the posts you just described though.

This is fence sitty, AND it is also Jil playing the middle man here. Fence sitting in bold and Middle man in underlined.

That's all that has been off to me from Jil. Yet I can't really tell if it is genuine or not, so I took it as a weird interaction between Ze and her, meaning one may not be scum with the other.

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Amrun

:

It was short. I didn't like the first line, because it didn't seem like he was rolefishing because Elli already 'soft claimed' (at the time of the gambit) in a sense so it would be null (Because he was trying to verify the claim so he CAN TRUST THE RESULTS). Second line is null because that is a possibility, and not analysis of Earworm's actions, but instead of what you THOUGHT he would do (meaning you were being biased when it could go either way). Last line is something that has been brought up (by me), but I didn't know what you meant until your post asking if 'not posting = scumtell?'.

Content, but not good content.

Ok good, I hope to see you do that.

Answer this question please:

So you mean to say you didn't really think Zel's OMGUS was a scumtell?

Btw, how do you feel about Earworm also finding Pacman scummy for 'trying to hard to find scumslips'?

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@

DeityKabuto

: Why aren't you voting anyone right now?

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@FA

I left the wagon. I felt no need to explain a vote I had already placed. (as for why I didn't provide reasoning in between, there was a little thing called a fake daykill.)

*sigh* How can I take his point into consideration? He mentioned you have some meta background. He didn't say what it was, or why it makes my point invalid.

As for me not explaining me calling you scum later on, I will concede that I did not do that and I should have.

Re: sheeping Fate
First quote--I saw the gambit and the claim. At first I thought you were town and Elli was telling the truth.

Second quote--After Fate's case was placed up it prompted me to read the situation again. And saw the delay in the claim. That is why I voted. Not because of what Fate said. I am saying I agree with Fate, because I am agreeing with him that you are scum.

Wait, hold on. So, if you left the wagon, you wouldn't need to explain a vote you didn't explain in the first place because you

left it

? I don't think leaving a wagon absolves you from the responsibility of voting a person without reason.

Yes, but you haven't even asked him further about it. You didn't ask 'why it made your point invalid'. So you didn't even care about your point being valid.

Ok.

Why didn't you exactly come to that conclusion yourself, regarding the Fate Sheeping/agreement?

Earworm, what do you think of the people voting Snarky now you think he is town?

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That was dumb.

Anyways, now Vezo and Pacman are semi-cleared. Wouldn't rely on it heavily though. Gotta look at their actions too.

Pacman, why did you believe Seacore was scum when you brought up the Human theory?

I don't follow. Why do you think Earworm is looking for easy reasons to vote you? Why are you afraid that his meta may prove true this time around?

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Vezo actually claimed to be that character. I thought it was a joke, in reference to me saying that Llama was sheeping.

Pacman claimed the same char claim as me, and it seems they might come in packs since Vezo claimed Antelope before Pere did.

Not entirely sure of Pacman's claim, thus why I said semi-cleared. What do you think?

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Sup Cirno. Thoughts please?

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@

DeityKabuto

: Why aren't you voting anyone right now?

I thought my vote was on you.

You unvoted quite a while ago.

Unvote

Well tbh, I can actually see Flavor as town now, but there's a small part of me which doubts that, not best lynch for today.

You currently aren't voting anyone, technically.

Btw, you asked about my posting style. We both developed our posting styles off-site. She likes to observe a bit more, and I like to post a bit more.

Usually playstyles are null anyways.

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Elvis Knits

:
Again, disagree. I told you my vote on him was semi-serious. The Jil FoS was due to a misunderstanding.

I know that, that was why I asked. I didn’t like that you didn’t explain why you didn’t get the case on Earworm. You didn’t explain Earworm until your #322, and I have asked before and you only explained Earworm because Atil asked you. I feel if someone bandwagons a lot, they make it harder to read them because we can’t really see their motive except “trying to pressure people” from it. So Earworm and InHim falls into that. InHim always does that.

In your #322, you say that Earworm is following ElliFate. Which wagon to you mean he was following? Define ‘voting moderately well’ please. Not quite, seeing as I have a question addressed to you about him. Almost though.

Re: Sillyvore: See, I don’t like you attacking him now, since you DID have a town read. That gets at me. Now because of his dumbpostingz I have a null on him (because it can go either way, either town gambiting to catch opportunistic scum, or scum faking town motivation to avoid a D1 lynch), and my read on him will depend on what he does after this. I don’t usually look for people ‘slip hunting’ but it seems you and Amrun both do look for those things and I have seen her do this before so I think it’s legit in her case.

Re: Amrun: Oh, really? Hmmm. I usually always have seen her scummy, so I may consider this. I’m actually reading up on her games. I have her lower on my priority list because of her usual play, but I will be keeping an eye on her.

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@

Earworm

:

What? Earworm, can you explain the first line further. I say something and you always seem to be lazy and let my explanation be YOUR explanation by saying “Yep, that”. Please be specific. Wait, what other reasons? Explain those. I’m saying why didn’t you think of that yourself? Thank you. This is your first game correct? Have you looked at Fate’s previous games to compare this to? I do agree he isn’t helpful, doesn’t answer questions, and only does his own thing. It’s null for me. Llama sheeping is bad too.

Now that Silavor posted his big EXPLANATION, what do you think of him now? Is your read changed at all? Why or why not?

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@

Grey Ice replace in

:
Not the best replace in catch up. First half is kinda fluffly, but rest seems average. Btw, I meant Fate bro fisting. Like a hand shake but with hands closed. Non-sexual.
Why exactly is Llamarble Town here? I have seen his play before and it wasn’t like this. (I have seen more pressure, and he also brought up meta against Amrun but hasn’t brought that up this time)

Grey, why exactly do you believe Snarky is scum? I agree Cirno hasn’t done much at all.

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Pacman

: I disagree. Zelink’s joke would seem null to me.
Why do you think Elli’s vote on DK was opportunistic, and why not Amrun’s?

I can't take it. I can't.

VOTE: DeityKabuto

Now that Silavor claimed his gambit thingy, does that change your read on him? Why or why not? Cirno and Earworm I can agree with.

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Fate

: what’s your problem with Grey-Ice? Why possibly Silavore, and what did you think of his big defense post?

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Silavore

: Why exactly is Earworm townie to you? You seemed to be fine with voting him, now you somehow find him town? Why aren't you trying as hard as you did in your defense?

@

CKD

: We are a hydra of Ranmaru and July.

Anyways, I think Silavore's defense is null. He could be a townie trying to gambit scum opportunism, or scum trying to fake town motivation to avoid a D1 lynch. Question is, does his actions

after

his defense line up with trying much harder then just 'stupid posting' as he was before?

[Flavour Analysis]

Fair enough. Btw, about Hezlucky. I have seen him do a points system before, and I don't feel as if he is trying as hard as he did. Null, but I am wondering if he has given more than two scumpicks and other thoughts?

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So, Silavor

seems

town right now... I'm gonna keep my on you for now.

UNVOTE:

Thankfully there is wagon I fully support up here.

VOTE: Evilpacman

That catchup post was fucking terrible.
You never explained why you are on Silavor. Ever.
as for why your vote seacore was stretching...

His first serious vote is based on trying to outguess the mod.

And as a sidenote, Lowell is scum.

I forgot to mention this. Why exactly was Pacman's catch up terrible, but not Grey Ice's?

How does Silavor

seem

town now?

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@Cirno: Why exactly do you believe pacman, vezo, and Elvis are scummy?

What exactly is your read of Silavor? Do you believe his plan was to catch scum?

[Flavour Analysis]

EBWOP: Sorry, you gave a read on Silavor. Ok Cirno, instead, why do you believe Silavor is town?

[Flavour Analysis]

I'm a lazy mofo.

Done half + a bit of the reread.

But I already knwo who I'm voting for.

Vote: curiouskarmadog

Will complete my reread and see if anything changes, though.

Vote: Hezlucky

Hez, can you tell me what you have done that has helped the town?

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Yep CKD is scum.

Why is he scum?

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@Cirno: Thoughts?
@Zelink: I see you posting around. Thoughts?

I didn't like Elvi's reaction to the final four votes. I do agree that Llama only seemed to care if he caused the commotion instead of yelling at Pacman for hammering.

@Pacman: Why didn't you ask for a claim?

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@Jil: I saw you there. Give thoughts on: Zelink, Elvis, Llamarble, and Earworm please.

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Zelink, you aren't worried that Pacman didn't even consider what role Silavor may have had?

Why exactly are you trying to deflect from Pacman to Snarky?

This was the last time she was on:

Last visited:
Wed Jun 22, 2011 8:23 pm

And I saw her viewing previously. So "I saw you there" means I saw her previously, not that I was seeing her viewing currently. (Notice the past tense)

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@Cirno: You saw me say the same to Zelink, but you are only worried that I call you out, but not others?

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Ugh. Halfway done my reread. It's going so slow. Half the posts are either fluff or walls.

I can either post what I have so far or finish. Probably going to finish unless I hear objections.

You re-reading doesn't absolve you from DOING NOTHING. Plus, you have said you have been re-reading since the 18th, and still haven't gotten anything?

This is what you have done: RVS Ze, Claim suspicion of my reaction, claim CKD defending me, and state that Fate and Elli were anti-town. You also gave opinions about Pacman/Seacore/Fate about the human mafia theory. You state that you liked what Pacman has said about Seacore.

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llamarble constantly avoided my questionning yesterday...

his vote was super scummy...

this scum bag needs to die.

vote llamarable..

I would also be fine with a hez wagon..

Who else do you find scummy ToDay, CKD? What are your thoughts on Zelink's nk speculation? On Hezlucky's re-read? On Fate - Seacore interactions? (They seem to be pretty comfortable with each other)

Why did I hammer? Figured two things.
1. He was scum.
2. It'd be fun.

At least one of those was correct.

You seem to have forgotten one option, that he may have been town. That would have been correct, but I don't think you would have been looking for what was 'right'.

Step 1) Kill elli
Step 2) Accuse anyone who says you're scummy of framing you
Step 3) ???
Step 4) Profit

No.

Although if I'm allowed to vote multiple times, I'll gladly put a vote on both you and Hez.

Earlier I recall Pacman making a related statement. What do you think of this:

I have a feelingI'll be dead N1 for calling pacman scum and everyone else ignoring it

Unvote:
Vote: Snarky

I have a feeling you'll be dead N1 then I'll be lynched D2 cuz I got framed.

Some NK speculation:

-I've been accused of rolefishing Elli
-I've been accused of not being a bright light
-Elli started the case on me

Thus, because I'm not a bright light, as scum I would have killed Elli. It would only be logical that town goes after me today. But hey that's not happening! That's why ZeLink remembers town the case on me without saying exactly why he thinks I'm scum and without voting me.

unvote

vote:Zelink

Prediction of Zelink next post: blabla speculation bullshit OMGUS vote Snarky

(I usually get killed when I make such speculation posts but I don't mind. You can not agree with me, everything makes sense in my head, and Zelink is 99,9% scum from my POV)

This is null, because you could have killed Elli as wifom to use it against other as well, so it goes either way. It is suspicious for you to use that against Ze instead of looking at his previous Day actions that one could find tangible evidence to him. What about his actions during the DAY, do they line up with your scum theory?

What do you think of: Cirno, Elvis, Hez, CKD, and Pacman?

[Flavour Analysis]

^ Relevant to scumhunting how?

[Flavour Analysis]

I didn't like Elvi's reaction to the final four votes. I do agree that Llama only seemed to care if he caused the commotion instead of yelling at Pacman for hammering.

Are you just trying to jab me? I don't see what you could possibly dislike. We had the last four votes of the lynch come down in 8 posts. That's 1/3 of the lynch. Don't you think that's strange?

We are not just trying to jab you. Your first post after that hammer and after the thread re-opened was this:

OK, I thought he was scum too, but:

WHY DID THE FINAL FOUR VOTES OF THE WAGON COME WITHIN 8 POSTS?

Evilpacman quickhammers without asking for a claim. I am toying with the idea that evilpacman's claim and townslip was to manufactured to confirm FA and himself. Not sure how likely it is... probably a paranoia scenario, but possible.

Not a fan of THIS:

DA FUCK?!

I hope I didn't actually cause that.

(Followed quickly but "I hope he was scum derp.")

This really feels like he knew Silavor was going to flip town, otherwise why worry about being responsible for evilpacman's quickhammer?

vote llamarble

Kk, so you say that you thought evilpacman was scum, but your reason for not thinking that is that the final four votes on the wagon came within 8 posts…? How does that in any way negate the fact that he is scum?

The final 4 voters were Vezo, DK, Fate, and Pacman in that order.

Vezo votes in #664, with no explanation. Then DK votes and actually asks silavor for a claim, and talks about there still being time until the deadline. Then next are Fate and evilpacman with no explanation. And its not like evilpacman didn’t know what he was doing, of everyone he was most culpable because he admits he wanted to hammer. You seem concerned over the fact that evilpacman didn’t ask for a claim, and that the four votes came within quick succession of each other; you say that its strange but you literally go nowhere with that thought and instead switch to llamarble, who wasn’t even on the wagon and thus obviously not one of the last 4 voters. You also post divert attention from evilpacman in the beginning with “I thought he was scum too but”, which infers you don’t think he is scum, but then you cast doubt on that very idea here:

Evilpacman quickhammers without asking for a claim. I am toying with the idea that evilpacman's claim and townslip was to manufactured to confirm FA and himself. Not sure how likely it is... probably a paranoia scenario, but possible.

Which allows you to keep suspicion on evilpacman, us, all 4 of the final voters on the silavor wagon whom you express concern about but apparently not enough to vote any of them or question them, AND then go for the vote on llamarble because his #676 apparently seems like he knew silavor was town. Explain to me his scum motivation for his #676 please.

And I’m also interested in how you note the 4 votes that lead up to evilpacman’s lynch, and llamarble’s post after the lynch, but not his post right before the lynch where he shows support for the evilpacman wagon but doesn’t vote and in fact asks questions of other players, which indicates to me that he didn’t actually anticipate that the Day would end so soon. That post taken WITH his post #676 seems like he wanted the Day to go on and didn’t expect or want to be the cause of an early lynch, so I disagree that he would have no reason to be concerned with causing evilpacman’s lynch as town. SO explain to me better why evilpacman is town, what is the significance of the final 4 votes coming within 8 posts, how it affects your reads on vezo, dk, fate, and evilpacman (who according to your #630 were obvtown, null, obvtown, and prob town), and most importantly how exactly llamarble’s #678 infers he knew silavor was town.

[Flavour Analysis]

Earlier I recall Pacman making a related statement. What do you think of this

Wait, are you comparing pacman making a WIFOM prediction D1 to Snarky saying he was framed and

it just

looks like

he's scum because he had every reason to kill Elli last night

?

These aren't similar at all.

The underlined is wifom too.

Btw Zelink, besides Hezlucky, who do you feel is scum now?

You said you were going to re-read, how is that going?

[Flavour Analysis]

Actually, the more I think about it and rereading, I can see where HezTown would be coming from.

Alti #387 - it's called "acting". The scum will say "dammit I was town" and peopel will tihnk "oh he must be telling the truth seeing
as he's already dead" ... but in fact, if the daykill was fake the scum just gained huge townie points in people's eyes. Town have no
motivation to do this. Too self-preservationist (although now that I think about it, it's entirely possible the Elli/FA exchange was
a setup and they aer both scum)

I don't agree with his interpretation of FA's claim, but at least I can see where he's coming from. It doesn't seem like a scum fabrication.

If he really felt so strongly that the claim made FA obvscum, the "your defense of FA is noted" stuff and the OMGUS episode against CKD doesn't seem as bad as I initially thought.

Unvote

Huh? All this time you have been on the push for Hezlucky, and NOW you think he is town? You state twice that you can see where he is coming from, but you don't explain how you came to that conclusion. Are you backtracking after voting along the super cool wagon? Btw, what do you think of Zelink?

What was your thought of Hez not spreading enough content during d1? I felt that was a good point. Please expand on that.

and by the explosion of content, I mean why was it not spread more evenly across yesterday (gameday).

@

Everyone

: What do you think of Atil's #832?

@

Zelink

:

Yeah but, what do you feel about Pacman's wifom prediction? What is the purpose of saying that?
It's coming soon, right? What do you think of Atil?

@Elvis Knits

: Will get to you shortly.

[Flavour Analysis]

@

Atil

: You did? I had already read him in ISO and summarized what he has done. Here it is:

Ugh. Halfway done my reread. It's going so slow. Half the posts are either fluff or walls.

I can either post what I have so far or finish. Probably going to finish unless I hear objections.

You re-reading doesn't absolve you from DOING NOTHING. Plus, you have said you have been re-reading since the 18th, and still haven't gotten anything?

This is what you have done: RVS Ze, Claim suspicion of my reaction, claim CKD defending me, and state that Fate and Elli were anti-town. You also gave opinions about Pacman/Seacore/Fate about the human mafia theory. You state that you liked what Pacman has said about Seacore.

So he has done slightly more than look at my claim, so I don’t think you can say that he was completely fixated on my claim. My claim should NOT hold him back from contributing. That is NOT an excuse for him to being a sack of balls! I just re-read his ISO and he MOSTLY is speaking to CKD and you. Once he responded to Elli and Cirno as well. And he has replied to my slot too. This is all before his re-read catch up.

You convinced yourself he is scummy again? Well I suggest you put your vote back on him, or vote someone else you feel is scummy. I don’t want you to be unvoteless here. I would rather you answer it first, please. Why is Zelink Pro-town to you?

I think I have the most valid reason for voting Hez out of that lot. And I see no problem with any of those reasons. They are all legit.

Yeah but, what do you feel about Pacman's wifom prediction? What is the purpose of saying that?
It's coming soon, right? What do you think of Atil?

pacman's wifom prediction means nothing. If he's town, the purpose of saying it would be because he felt it's true, I guess. If he's scum, the purpose of saying it would be to look like the town version of this. Why are you asking me? Ask pacman.

As for my analysis, it's coming. In the next 24-48 hours. If all goes well. Don't get your hopes too high, though. I'm pretty lazy when it comes to analysis.

As for Altil, I don't know. I haven't really looked at him. I'll put this on my to-do list.

I wanted to know your thoughts. Don't you think he could use it later to say "Aha, see I told you this would happen!"

I think it is most likely needed. The best you can do is Snarky, Hezlucky, and inactives?

[Flavour Analysis]

Hey Earworm. Why did you pick Hez over Llama? I'm just wondering.

[Flavour Analysis]

@

Atil

:

• Answer my question. Why do you want to wait for CKD's answer before answering me?
  
• I also assume you conceded to my points by voting Hez again.
  
• Zelink hasn't been scumhunting as much as he has been in the past, he's just been sitting there, promising cases.
  
• The mod would say "PLAYER X HAS BEEN MODKILLED FOR BREAKING RULE #42!". That's what I think that would say. You could ask the mod.
  
• Btw Atil, how experienced are you in Mafia? I have looked at your Wiki and it's all newb games. (Don't know if it's up to date or not)

@

Everyone

: I have a theory. I think that there will be multiple packs of animals, due to Vezo's early claim and two Antelopes already flipping besides him. These flips are tainting my reads on Pacman and Zelink, and I think that this game is more of a bunch of packs of animals, with a vig, and scum predators who will fake claim those animals to try to fit in, essentially vt claims. The vig being able to vig every day makes sense because there isn't much harm of hitting pr's because of pools of animals to vig in. The more he vig's, the more info we get that might make this theory connect. Thoughts on this plz k thx.

[Flavour Analysis]

Aww damn it. You didn't have to claim. Hez was pretty obv scum. (I was waiting for your reaction though)

He seemed to have been using it to get people off his wagon, and he never seemed like he wanted to catch scum.

I'm staying on the Hez wagon.

Oh, I see. CKD, what do you think of atil, and my theory?

[Flavour Analysis]

@

Hezlucky

: Ok, you thought CKD was scummy, you had a read on him right? Why would you cop him and waste an investigation on someone you could read? Why not use it on someone hard to read in the game, that way your role would have not been wasted? Plus, why did you play so badly as an apparent cop? (Not pay attention to the game, and only focus on my claim and one person who asked for you to clarify your attack, and also not comment on other events in the game) This easily made you scummy, and as a possible cop, you would be sure to be on the hotseat. So it doesn't line up with what a cop would do.

Also, tell me your thoughts on: Atil, Zelink, Elvis Knits, Earworm, and Seacore please.

@

Earworm

: Do you think CKD is lying about vigging lurkers? What did you think of CKD's reaction? Do you really believe Hezlucky is the cop? If so, why?

[Flavour Analysis]

Ok, so my other head has made a catch up. I have been delaying it to be able to get responses in and reactions, so that this wouldn't overlap with my own scumhunting. Relax, there should only be 1-2 paragraphs in each spoiler, and possibly 1-2 quotes in each spoiler. Except Amrun's. There's a few quotes there. This also has her reads on everyone, with mine on the bottom. She has been doing this from before the thread opened. If there is no disagreement read on a particular person from me, then it means I agree with the read she put up, thus making it mine too. :3 Sorry for the long post, but I think it is the right time to do this. I don't want to wait any longer. *I waited a bit longer since Hez claimed cop. When can I fit this content in...

Spoiler: Amrun

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01 Amrun-

Early in the thread you said this:

Lowell: if you lurk this game, I will consider it a scum claim.

How are you feeling about Lowell now? I’ve seen your suspicions spread out as well over the game, but frequently settle between Snarky, Silavor, some mentions of Lowell but a very applicable early warning about lurking, and a proposed DK policy lynch. Which of these suspicions do you think is the best lynch atm?

THINGS I LIKE

:

Zel1ink, your omgus amuses me. I am voting (or have at some point voted ) FA. How do I think (or know) FA is town? Interestingly that post implies that YOU know FA is town.
The sentence you quoted in no ways implies that I think or know FA is town. I wasn't happy Ellibreth (supposedly) daykilled so early without a claim or anything, but as I think FA is scumz, it wasn't that big of a deal.
Now, though, if you are scum, FA is town.
VOTE: Zel1ink
Fuck momentum. I'm voting scum.

@

Amrun

: How do you feel about Pappum's vote on you? What is your current read on Earworm?

I don't feel anything about pappum's vote on me. I don't even recall it, tbh. My read on earworm at the time I posted the thing you take issue with - the thing you obviously don't even remotely understand - was townish. Now, with him pushing a really bad non-slip pointed out by silavor, I have him as scummy.

Don't care if you dislike my silavor vote; I like it.

FA: So, answering other people's questions to me is providing crap content? GOOD TO KNOW.
And sure I will keep an eye on elvis. I'll keep an eye on everyone. But I'm not interested in lynching her today.

Not much to say here, I feel like these things show a pretty townie attitude. Happy with Amrun’s input.
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Spoiler: Fate

02 Fate-

I can read Vezok, pretty easily.
Lowell on the other hand is #1 PL this game.

What is your read on vezok thus far?
I saw decent quality of content from Fate early on, but it’s gone downhill since around post #261 and even though he has been posting there’s just a lack of content there. Null.
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Spoiler: Jil

03 jilynne1991-

Elli said that she felt jil’s role pm issues in the beginning of the thread didn’t look like they were coming from scum…I think its just null. As for content, there is very little of it and a lot of posting to add a bit onto a concept, stay decently active but not really reach out for her own scum reads. Null leaning scummy at this point.
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Spoiler: GreyIce

04 GreyICE –

My other head and I agree that the catch-up post was terrible. After that there are some good things and bad things. This I agree with:

Silavor wagon is like FUCK NO

silavor ()

- evilpacman18, ZeL1nK, Seacore, elvis_knits, Amrun, populartajo, Llamarble, inHimshallibe, Snarky, earworm
I mean fuck. That wagon should confirm someone who hasn't POSTED town, nevermind Silavor. Llamarble, are you scum this game?
I mean just look at that. If we killed everyone on that wagon, there MIGHT be one or two scum left alive.

Scummy wagon was scummy, not to mention the early and unexpected lynch and his flip town suggests scum is present on his wagon. And more importantly, even before silavor’s lynch you had a lot of reads and suspicions from his wagon and actually followed through on them. I’m getting a town vibe here.
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Spoiler: Atil

05 Altilysian

Catch-up post #274 is legit and despite being a catch-up post has plenty of your own ideas and comments as well. I disagree with your read in Amrun in your #387, but you provide solid reasons for your suspicions. Not many posts,

but overall town vibe

. ~Other head striked this out, due to Atil's recent flip flop. Note to other head, express your thoughts on this.

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Spoiler: Elli

06 Ellibereth

My other head describes you as stubborn, but townie. I know that the self-voting thing threw him off at first, but it is what it is. My other head feels your gambits are townie, I disagree a bit. The first one I still struggle to see your motivation for, if you are town, but there are deff benefits from it as scum. After that you just made some posts and talked about “plans” all Day until you finally came up with the plan that you daycopped DK and got guilty…but not really. My other head thinks your gambits are town gambits; I just think they are distracting. Then in post #277 you hop on the earworm wagon with only the explanation “it’s a good wagon”. The most townie thing I found about you was actually your waivering back and forth on whether or not jil could be scum, because I found your initial reason see was town to be bullshit, but you came to that conclusion on your own. Idk, personally I have you leaning scummy, but considering Ran our determination is null.
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Spoiler: Vezo

07 vezokpiraka

Claiming antelope unprovoked was strange, but leaves you looking pretty townie. I don’t like however, that out of 10 posts, you vote in 5 of them, ending up on the silavor wagon, and substantiating none of your votes. While your claim makes me think you are town, your actions do not. I’m going to lean town but make sure to keep an eye on you. ------------------------------------------------- -----------------------------------------------------

Spoiler: InHim

08 inHimshallibe

Post #163 expresses no desire to read the thread, and shows no evidence that he actually did read the thread up to that point. Provides decent reasons for why jil might be scum, but never actually places a vote on her. Instead, you opt to vote for silavor for his 501 alone (which idk what post that’s supposed to be), and staying there until his lynch. Definitely leaning scummy to me.
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Spoiler: Tajo

09 populartajo

Play by play post #395 I like, but in your town/scum/null list I’m a bit concerned that both silavor and peregrine were listed as scum for you, so not so sure about your reads. Questions in #412 look like legit scumhunting to me, and you hit on quite a few things that flew under the radar for the most part. You say that elli is prolly town which my other head agrees with. You got super enthusiastic about the silavor wagon, which you stood behind the entire time. However, I don’t particularly like this:

silavor (9) - evilpacman18, ZeL1nK, Seacore, elvis_knits, populartajo, Llamarble, inHimshallibe, snarky, earworm
scum bussing
one or two of seacore, llamarbale and snarky, maybe zelink, maybe maybe inhim if vezok its not scum

But with silavor flipping town idk how much weight this has. I’m going to say tentatively town and want to hear more from you toDay, and revised reads.
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Spoiler: Hezzy

10 HezLucky

Your opinion on our claim upon being “daykilled” ended up taking over most of your posts, and its an issue you didn’t even seem impassioned about when you were fighting us on it, which makes me think it was just going along with an easy wagon. My other head points out you’ve only commented on us and your attackers, and that’s not scumhunting. Overall scummy and we would like to hear that post you were working on when yesterDay ended.
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Spoiler: Elvis K

12 elvis_knits

First things I see are a lot of posts about our play, but I appreciate it not being heavily based on the roleclaim but on our play over all. Also I agree with your #327, especially because your thoughts on earworm are pretty unique and address a lot of important questions that others posed, and handle the peregrine-5 scum thing well. You get on silavor for attacking peregrine for the 5 scum thing, and I think that’s one of the more valid reasons considering everyone was okay with other people posting extensive null/scum lists before peregrine. You keep pressure on us, who you suspect, but also point out things with Zelink and silavor, which looks like genuine scumhunting. All of a sudden you go gun-ho for the silavor wagon, you do provide reasons but I question how genuine the change of heart was from light suspicion to support of a wagon. You do call out jil for some scummy behavior which we also agree with. Your theory on silavor scum and analysis of his wagon is weird because you say you think he was bussed, which is obviously not true now, but you come to a lot of the same conclusions I do for the scummy people on the wagon. Your 10 points to why silavor was scummy seems extensive, as if you are trying really hard to justify yourself. I’m going to go out on a limb, and away from the opinion of my other head, and say you are leaning town.
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Spoiler: Seacore

14 Seacore

Has made it very clear he has skimmed the thread. Commented on vezo’s claim and that was about it, which I find weird it’s the only thing he really commented on. Then he votes for silavor for reasons unknown, says he doesn’t like his company but is happy to just sit there, then comes in to just say he’s checking in. No content so far, his posts bother me because he doesn’t seem to care but I’m not sure if that’s just it. I just get this strange vibe from you and your willingness to just ride out the silavor wagon. I feel a scum vibe overall.
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Spoiler: Lowell

15 Lowell

Is a strange case. He actually makes a solid vote against earworm in his second post, then in his next post he says:

unvote, vote earworm until tajo can rally the troops around a hezlucky lynch.

Speaking as if he had been voting for hezlucky and was just now voting earworm for the first time. Then he hops unto the silavor wagon, and surprisingly explains his vote. Not sure what to make of all this tbh. Also only 4 posts. Null.
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Spoiler: Pacman

16 evilpacman18

My other head says you were lurking in the beginning of the game so I’ll take his word on that. The big thing I saw when reading you was the scum as humans post. I’m not really sure what to take away from this, but it makes me think that since you tried to use it against vezo if you are scum, vezo is town. You also call on altilysian for not providing great info or scumhunting, but the same is true when I looked at the content in your own posts, with the catch-up post being a slight distinction but your defense of that post seems too paranoid. And then of course there was the unexpected and premature hammer, cutting off discussion for the Day. Both heads agree you are scummy.
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Spoiler: Snarky

17 snarky

I honestly didn’t see the whole rolefishing thing you were accused of in the beginning of the game, I think that your introductory questions were reasonable as well. Reaction to elli’s gambits was a little strange, as you did push people’s opinions on the second fakeclaim of the game, which she retracted pretty quickly. Actually…I do like that you seem to pick up on things and call people out for things (such as evilpacman’s attack on atylisian’s catch-up post) that a lot of people skimmed over or didn’t take seriously. The thing that I don’t like is how you jumped on silavor’s wagon while having paid pretty much no attention to him all game. You are literally right down the middle, I like some little stuff but I dislike that one major thing. I’m going to just leave this with I need a better read on you (note to self), null. My other head pointed out that others are quick to attack you and that has been noted to your advantage as well.
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Spoiler: CKD

18 curiouskarmadog

Your playstyle seems quite aggressive but putting that to the side your first post is alright, brings much needed attention to earworm. Watching you battle with whether or not HezLucky scum slipped in your #214 deff gives me a town vibe. And reading through your conversations with HezLucky gives me a pretty strong SvT vibe with Hez being scum. I actially agree with most of your points that you brought up while doing my ISO on you, and I deff took away a town vibe from it.
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Spoiler: Dk

19 DietyKabuto

Your posts are by far the most…interesting, and your first post with your 3 FoS’s is strange, but not inaccurate as all three I find scummy. The calls for your policy lynch put you in the same position as snarky, where people are quick to attack you and in that process it actually hurts them for looking opportunistic but it helps my opinion of you. Your #272 seems like a genuine reaction to the “guilty” on you and you do eventually work through our posts and reason that we are town as well. Your vote on silavor was random, but…well your playstyle is quite random, and you seemed to intend for him to claim. I’m going to actually lean town with this one.
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Spoiler: Cirno

21 Cirno

First 3 posts, 3 different votes, with decent explanations, after that your posts go downhill quickly though (although post #260 is by far the funniest post of the game). I dislike this post:

Checking in. Anything to add? Nope.

There had to be something you could add about the 140 posts that accumulated since you had last checked in. The most legit post you have is your #644, and you are pretty astute about the scummiest players on the silavor wagon. And I must admit your #679 feels genuine. Gah, hard to read, and my other head feels you are null…but the way you fought against the silavor wagon was admirable. I’m going to say leaning town, but IGMEOY to appease my other head. ~ <3 ty
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Spoiler: ZeLink

22 ZeL1nk

@Anyone saying PLs are bad.... Even if DK is town, he's far more harmful to town than scum is. Seriously. No jokes.

Who should I vote for if I want to look more town?

Snarky?

Your first posts do not leave me with a good impression. In your post #201 you say Snarky is still scum, but you never explained why or did anything more than place a vote down on him anyways. You also throw out quite a few town reads with no information whatsoever, and I feel that fe under the radar. You make a good point against Snarky, but then give that up to persue a questionable read on silavor. You also say in your #397 that Amrun is town and provide a weak reasoning for why your change in opinion on her has occurred (basically just that shes been posting better). In your #459 you explain why your vote is still on silavor, but since placing that vote you seem to have significantly decreased your scumhunting and your reasons for staying on him are pretty which makes me think you became complacent voting him. My other head feels you are scummy and I agree with him on this one.
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Spoiler: Llamarble

23 Llamarble

Random vote on Snarky early on which as I’ve stated for others I don’t like because he was a very easy target. Your vote on silavor was random and looked scummy…but then you surprisingly unvoted.

Hrm, Silavor townmeta 1156 does provide an example of "how does this thing I did make me scum?"
I can see Silatown now. And Snarky's reading town now too. Moving down the list: Earworm also. Maybe I'm just tired and think everyone's town.
No guess not.
VOTE: populartajo

A part of me feels that this was on purpose to distance yourself from what you knew would be a mislynch. I’m going to say leaning scummy and I especially have my eye on you, because I feel there might have been some end of Day shenanigans with your voting.
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Spoiler: Earworm

24 earworm

Accusations that you wagoned us and Snarky were fairly accurate, and your case against Snarky was weak and consisted only of “continued rolefishing”, but I especially don’t like this:

soooo many pages. >.>

Dk is playing bad as always. But he's trying more this game. Which makes me a little suspicious to be honest.

Also not liking Pacman's entry into the game. Trying way too hard find a scumslip.

How does everyone feel about a snarky lynch?

VOTE: Snarky

Continued rolefishing.

@Elli: they had already claimed, the damage was already done.

Where you try and gauge the support for it from the rest of town. But then your post #486 where you decide that Snarky is town, I simply don’t understand, and I don’t think it’s a legit reason to clear Smarky of what suspicions you had, weak as they were. You also jump onto the silavor wagon and jump off before the actual lynch, with little explanation for first why he was town and then why he as scum. This and my other head’s belief that you are scum leave me leaning scummy with you overall.

Scum

:
Zelink
HezLucky* My other head has been notified of his claim and she also agrees that it is not believable.
Seacore
Evilpacman(?) ~ Other head (regarding recent Zebra flip)

Town

:
Amrun
Altilysian(?) ~ Other head
GreyICE
CuriousKarmaDog

Leaning Scum

:
Jilynne
inHimshallibe
llamarble
Earworm

Leaning Town

:
Vezokpiraka (IGMEOY)
Populartajo
DeityKabuto
Cirno (IGMEOY)

Null

:
Fate
Ellibereth
Lowell
Snarky

Intra-Hydra Disagreement

:
Elvis_knits -

Null leaning scum

.
July has covered my suspicion well (in the quote below), even though she likes the rest of her play. See, Elvis seems to get suspicions from minor things, such as my FoS on Jil, Silavor's 5 scum slip thing, Snarky's apparent rolefishing, my apparent rolefishing. I find it odd she has seen Earworm agree with Silavor yet has said nothing of him. [Note: July likes Elvis's and Amrun's playstyles. Think it's a girl thing.]

All of a sudden you go gun-ho for the silavor wagon, you do provide reasons but I question how genuine the change of heart was from light suspicion to support of a wagon. You do call out jil for some scummy behavior which we also agree with. Your theory on silavor scum and analysis of his wagon is weird because you say you think he was bussed, which is obviously not true now, but you come to a lot of the same conclusions I do for the scummy people on the wagon. Your 10 points to why silavor was scummy seems extensive, as if you are trying really hard to justify yourself.

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InHim -

Null

.
He gets on crap wagons all the time

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Cirno -

Null

.
Doesn't contribute much, actively lurks. Has contributed slightly in the past though, still need a bit more.

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Atil -

Null leaning scum

.
Atil seemed to be excited to join the Hez lucky wagon, and immediately jumps off because of queasiness. (I assume it was going to fast) He has been pushing Hezlucky all game for being scummy, and yet when he finally votes, THEN realizes that he truly understood where Hez was coming from. This is BS to me because he didn't even explain and would rather wait until CKD answered his question so he can then asnwer mine. This is minorly suspicious.

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Pacman -

Null

.
At first I thought he was just claiming to gain town cred, but due to Jil flipping Zebra, it makes me reconsider this read. I was thinking there were pairs but since Vezo claimed Antelope and , which seems viable, since animals come in packs. Not quite sure about it yet until we have more flips. This makes my read on him fall to null.

[Flavour Analysis]

Also, whenever I have mentioned "She" or "July" it means my other head. I posted this now because I want to make sure it is posted in case of a quick hammer like Pacman did.

[Flavour Analysis]

Yeah well I didn't edit anything out because she has been working on that post since before the thread opened. Then I previewed and saw Jil get dk'd too, but I felt it was better to leave our thoughts about them in the post.

[Flavour Analysis]

"What was your thought of Hez not spreading enough content during d1? I felt that was a good point. Please expand on that."

"I will answer your question about why I was able to see where he was coming from after I hear what CKD has to say about HezLucky's assertion that your VT claim was "too self-preservationist."

First statement is mine, second is yours. I'm sure you know what question to answer from your second statement.

[Flavour Analysis]

@Atil:

Right. But you didn't post the vote near the time you posted that post. You voted after I responded to you. (After I said that you should put your vote back on) I assumed you agreed to that and then voted without really commenting on what I said. It just seemed to me like you did that to drop it and give in. (It's always good to be honest then to just give in)

Ah ok, thank you for clarifying.

Well then, you make a good point. (Regarding the Scavenging)

@Calcifer: No. Without those two the post is pretty damn long regardless. (You should actually read it to see that each spoiler is quite short)

And you just hammered.

[Flavour Analysis]

Btw Calcifer, why did you just hammer without reading first?

[Flavour Analysis]

Yeah he replaced in.

[Flavour Analysis]

@

Calcifer

: Reason why is because she worked on giving those reads, and I wasn't going to omit them. You have our thought process of them.


@

Elvis Knits #814

:

• Oh, obv? (My other head must have missed it only if it was obvious)
  
  
• Ah, I see. I think it's best to move on from that then, because it all seems null. You could find Fate suspicious for taking advantage of the Vi's votes, or you can't really do much else but blame Pacman. If one of the Vi's are scum, then it would be at the fault of a smarter buddy. So just keep an eye on them. I agree, I feel he doesn't really read much either. He is null to me.
  
  
• Fair enough, my other head now understands why you were suspecting him.
  
  
• No, she said you explained it well enough for her to understand where you were getting at with him. She says she thinks he is scum but that it isn't a determining factor for her.
  
  

  If llamarble was so sure silavor was scum, WHY feel guilty about causing a quickhammer? He got exactly what he wanted -- silavor was lynched without claiming, and suddenly he feels bad about it?

  
  
  
• You make a good point though. Right, seems like fake concern. Regardless, I do feel Llama is scummy because I have seen him do more in the past.
  It's totally scummy whatever his motivation.
  
  

  As speculation, the whole things looks like llamarble was setting us up to discount any claim that silavor might make and push the lynch through regardless. I don't think he actually intended to quicklynch silavor. But then evilpacman did quicklynch silavor and llamarble went "Oops," now they're going to blame me when silavor flips town." Except only scum would know that silavor would flip town.

  
  
  
• Hmmm, more fake concern, but it's only speculation so it's null.

[Flavour Analysis]

Oops, didn't edit out one of your lines.

[Flavour Analysis]

Hez is hammered. By Fate. (Miscounted) 11 to lynch.

[Flavour Analysis]

LLAMA. SCUM PICKS NOW.

[Flavour Analysis]

Hey Seacore.

What do you think of Elvis, Earworm, Zelink, Pacman, and Atil?

What did you think of the Hez lucky wagon?

How about the people off of the wagon?

[Flavour Analysis]

Llamafluff = +1 awesomeness for using Calvin and Hobbes

In other news I think we should still lynch CKD.

Unless we've got some PR results of course

. So I'll wait til everybody's posted before revoting CKD

Vote: Seacore

Why are you trying to out pr's? Pushing the easy lynch?

SCUM PICKS NOW.

[Flavour Analysis]

I don't know. It's wifom.

DK, just follow me or any of my town reads, k? Can you do that for us?

[Flavour Analysis]

@

Seacore

:

GIVE READS

. Don't go 'I'm always town this always happens', that is useless in us getting a read on you. Btw Seacore, why haven't you ever explained this before ToDay?

Pedit the first line seems like a cop out. You should have at least given a few reads. I look forward to your promised content.

@

Zelink

: Why do you think the Seacore and Llama wagons are crap? GI hasn't done much, I can agree. The best he did was ask about the Silavor wagon.#543 But I don't think that makes him scummy, just useless. What are your reads for ToDay?

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Elvis

: I strongly agree on your Earworm stance. I mean he didn't even try to think of Pacman's claim.

@

Cirno

: You are arguing this may be herbivores v carnivores. Is this always the case when it comes to Predator v Prey? Also you thinking someone trying to argue hyena = town is scummy, is your opinion and I don't think that's a good reason to base on alignment. Does the rest of his play line up with this? Also did you support the Hez wagon?

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Llamarble

: You think the Snarky wagon was filled with scum, even though you once thought he was scum yourself? Do you still think he is scum? Why is Zelink Prob town?

@

Earworm

: What did you think of Pacman's claim?

@

Grey Ice

: I like that Cirno vote. I do agree people hunting for SK's ToDay might be scum worried that they'd lose a lurking scumbuddy.

[Flavour Analysis]

You make some good points, GI. What do you think of Seacore?

How are your reads progressing? (Besides Cirno and Vezo)

[Flavour Analysis]

Why is Seacore Town?

Oh, where is Tajo btw?

I agree on CKD.

I was confused as to who you meant by EPM but noticed you meant Pacman. K.

Thoughts on Zelink, Atil, Earworm, and Lowell?

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What was your read on him before he was pressured? I think flailing is null because it can be either or. I wouldn't expect scum to quiver under pressure though.

I hope you do.

Lowell question was more of a "Are you worried about him" question, sorry to not have been clear.

Look at Atil's jump on Hez, and IMMEDIATE ABANDON SHIP from him. *Take into account he may be a semi-newb.

Why no care bout Earworm?

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His reaction doesn't = town though. It's null. He isn't doing JACK SHIT. He was on a wagon that he didn't even like, what a cop out. Plus, he's using "oh this always happens" as some sort of self meta. *Basically saying "this always happens" doesn't mean he's town here.

I hope he is. I'm not focusing on his lynch either, but that doesn't mean anyone isn't up for discussion. *if that makes sense.

That's not enough. I could give reads on everyone, so can you. Tell me WHY you don't want to even consider Atil/Earworm.

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CKD

: What question? Also, why exactly do you think Grey is scum?

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Elvis K

: Yeah I don't see GI's reasoning for Seacore town to be good at all. Also true, Atil does seem smart so I'll keep that in mind. It happened as soon as the Hez wagon started picking up speed.

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Llamarble

: Yeah, what are your thoughts on Seacore?

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Atil

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Yes but you never did so before. So obviously the reason why you 're-read' was because you weren't sure about your vote on him. Why exactly did you start "putting two and two" together? Why haven't you commented on that certain quote before? Did you read that quote BEFORE your 'realization'?

I thought it was scummy because you seemed to have been eager to join the Hez wagon to SEEM town, and then jump right back off for some odd reason. Who else have you even voted this game, Atil?

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@Nvm at the voting question, since you have voted Earworm and Hez. Better question, who will you vote ToDay?

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Oops! Sorry, will get into the fray soon.

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Btw DK, vote Grey Ice for me. : D Plz :3

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@Llama: I just didn't vote yet. Never said I wasn't going to.

Vote: GI

@Amrun: No, Dk is not dying. That is not a pro-town reason.

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*To vote DK

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Why is it more helpful to town to keep DK alive?

You forget that we should be scumhunting, not policy lynching. No excuses. It's less about 'keeping him alive' but more along the lines of 'ignoring scummy people for the expense of getting rid of DK'.

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But you are not, Amrun.

Cirno, what is your scum read on DK?

Oops, post mine.

But you say DK is probtown, how is that technically scumhunting?

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me no likey the cirno hammer tho.

GI, why is Cirno town?

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Yeah but you say he's probably somehow town. What, genius, made you think that?

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Why are you voting Amrun?

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LOL.

Vote: Tajo

DK, if you want to know who to vote, vote Tajo.

Also this makes Cirno alot scummier. This was the exact thing she was arguing against.

Seacore SEEMED to get townier to me but I don't know if it was genuine or just him trying to play the middle man there.

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*Wrt him calling Cirno out for that argument. I think it was scummy and not anti-town.

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Wouldn't have Tajo saying WHY help tho?

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Pacman viewed for a bit and didn't say anything. : [

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Sup Atil. Come vote along the Tajo wagon.

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Ah ok. Well I already had Cirno as a scum read.

I guess you are right though. She does seem stubborn but I haven't liked her play all game.

I also take back what I said about you, I think it's bias of you not doing anything earlier on in the game and I guess you are starting to do more and I like it. Basically, don't disappoint me.

@Calcifer: I'm not rushing the lynch, I'm just asking people to vote along with me. Says the person who hammered Hezy cuz "he didn't feel like reading".

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So Tajo, do you still think CKD is scum, or SK now?

Calcifer, your accusation is dumb. You seem to think I was trying to end the day, when Tajo is at only 5 votes? I am not that dumb, and town is not that du--. I mean, not the whole town. You hammered saying you DIDN'T NEED TO READ because of the guilty, why didn't you want more discussion at that time? To me your concern seems fake and your interactions with Seacore are making you out to be scummier.

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CKD, why didn't you wait for all players to claim for the full effect?

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Seacore is right, GI's claim seemed more like a gambit.

Ok, then explain why he has a lurker vig power that is unlimited then. How does that line up?

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@Tajo: Why did you offer Z a 50% chance of protection? (I ask because he was suspicious to me)

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Hmmm, Cirno makes a good point. GI's 'cop claim' seemed more like a test then just "I received two abilities blah blah blah". After seeing him flip vanilla town we'd go "Oh so he lied" and we'd just take his 'investigations' for granted. Why would Gi want that? Why wouldn't he have been more clear?

Now Z apparently dieing while ALSO receiving a half protection is unlucky.

This seems too convenient.

So an SK would want to get rid of town or scum, Tajo?

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Cirno is right. He could just say he received two 1 shot investigations from the mod and we wouldn't know why he got it.

Now, why did you pick a protection over another investigation?

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Yeah I'm not moving off the wagon. I don't see your claim lining up well.

Before anything big happens I want CKD to answer why he didn't wait for the rest of the town to claim.

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Llama, two things.

1. Where have you fallen for a similar gambit, and how is it similar to here?
2. How has Tajo alarmed you of his scumminess?

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Hahaha, good point about him 'giving GI 2 shot cops' but put him to l-1.

Also his play seems more like sacrificing himself to get rid of you, because it seems you are a threat to the scum.

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So, this means:

1. A portion of the lurkers may be scum
2. They think you are bluffing about your lurker day kill, and possibly just being a day kill.

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Vote HezLucky

You mean vote Tajo.

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How is that a slip, amrun?

They probably do have a QT.

Yes, they probably do. But why are you assuming daytalk? There is only one way for you to know that.

How does make you assume EK was implying day talk?

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How is that a slip, amrun?

They probably do have a QT.

Yes, they probably do. But why are you assuming daytalk? There is only one way for you to know that.

How does make you assume EK was implying day talk?

I was assuming daytalk. I just think that's kinda normal. I said we don't know for sure, but I would expect it's a possibility.

Well I agree with Snarky that it seems null because he could also forget his buddies if he was scum. Seeing as DK has voted dead townies as town, I wouldn't take it as a scum or town slip.

I also wonder why you think it is daytalk. Also would Llama as a mod favor day talk over nite talk only?

I come from a site which favors daytalk but here I have rarely seen daytalk be used here on this site. Also if it was valid then my suspicion of Atil would be invalidated.

I don't know if you commented on it, but what did you think of Atil's jump on and off of Hez's wagon?

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If we run out of time I don't mind Earworm being vigged. He was scummy to me early on and then fell off the face of the earth. Did he even say anything about Hez/Tajo?

Also cool with Lowell vig. But notice how he was posting enough to NOT be vigged though.

How many days till deadline?

Btw Tajo could have waited to be vigged first to say his Bah post but I expect he wouldn't let us vig him to protect his buddies.

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You mean not good for YOU eh?

Nah, Dk is fine. Don't see the connection scumbag.

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well, so do you want me to vig ear?

Yes. I would like that. If you have lee way with anyone else let us know before you Vig.

@Llama: Why exactly do you feel Earworm is townie?

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Ah ok, that's fine.

Guess now it's good to talk about connections to Hez/Tajo and stuff, since we got Conf scum waiting to get lynched.

I'mma re-read a bit.

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I was actually town guys.

Yeah right. Why did you say that AFTER THE VIG?

Post mine sorry.

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NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO. ; ____ ;

Meanies. ;-;

BAH, GO TOWN!

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Vote: Flavour Analysis

You've got a broken sarcasm detector

...I have this vague feeling there's some sarcasm I'm just not detecting.

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 8#p2991458

Unvote Vote: Silavor

You are hypocritical.

Also Silavor. How did you like this post?

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I want to see that scum quick topic.

AND the Hyena scum topic

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Silavor: Yeah well it was half omgus half joke vote. Your reasoning might not really have been about broken sarcasm detectors... but I just happened upon a game you linked where you said you... were somehow not 'detecting' sarcasm, so I had to vote you like that. lol.

Lowell: Honestly, I thought you were scum trying to avoid getting killed by the vig. But glad you won because that means I won. : D