Mystery Box Mafia - Game Over

[MagnaofIllusion]

Day One has begun!!!

VOTE: Mastermind of Sin

for having initials far to close to my own.

[MagnaofIllusion]

@MOD

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The rules state that the Box Shelf is publicly released and that players may trade with it during the day. Am I missing said public disclosure?

I’ll confirm I used my box and the results were as I expected.

@LLD

– Given what I know I’d like you to claim whether the name and Level of your box indicated to you what it might hold.

Yami needs a bullet quickly. If someone opens a Daykill or Vig box and doesn’t kill her first shot I am going to find a way to reach through the Internet and give you an Atomic Wedgie.

@Yami

– Is whining like the 4 year old next door part of the “awesome” tactics you used on the other site to not get lynced? I ask this in all seriousness.

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UNVOTE: Mastermind of Sin
VOTE: Hohum

Starts of the game with a RVS ‘policy lynch’ vote on Yamichan knowning what her likely reaction would be? And then spends the rest of the pages attacking others when the inevitable explosion of crap happens?

I smell something funky. It’s the smell of scum grandstand defending Yami.

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Part of the Derp Box Grab Bandwagon (note to self)– Deathnote (started it), CooLDoG, LLD

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^there are better reasons for voting for reaper charlie.

Really? Name them.

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If Yami is to die, I propose that we delay this death for another day, and not today. I promote giving YamiChan a second chance to redeem herself and try to show us some actual content and scumhunting.

Likewise with Hohum this smells of scum preserving a good mislynch til later on in the game. Not sure what to make with your voting for Yami shortly afterwards.

[MagnaofIllusion]

Starts of the game with a RVS ‘policy lynch’ vote on Yamichan knowning what her likely reaction would be? And then spends the rest of the pages attacking others when the inevitable explosion of crap happens?

ITT Magna clearly doesn't understand what RVS means.

Funny .. I understand exactly what RVS means. The 'randomness' is a tool that scum like yourself like to hide behind when taking scummy actions. It's a great way to catch you when you say "You can't hold me responsible, it was RVS!!!!"

More Hoscum votes people!

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Thanks for the response LLD.

[MagnaofIllusion]

@Lady - are you an UncertainKitten alt?

No she isn't.

I'm not here but they played together in a game I Modded so that would be grounds for massive Site smackdown if they were.

[MagnaofIllusion]

At this point ReaperCharlie is going to have to die before MYLO / LYLO, and probably sooner. A claimed one word post restriction absolutely cripples his ability to coherently bring information to the table. He’s now a good Vig shot along with Yami.

@Reaper

– if you are screwing around you should drop it immediately. It is only going to lead to a quick lynch / Vigging if you persist.

Primate’s

240

means he gets a shiny Town read from me.

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What seems likelier, LLD randomly catching a PR? Or her just being zany enough to fake one?

Hoopla I expect better from you than an Appeal to Statistics variant.

LLD can provide enough content via Hiaku to make meaningful contributions by which to judge her alignment.

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Haven't read through the 7 pages that appeared while I was sleeping, but if anyone is interested, I have a Level 2 Investigative Box. Willing to trade for other Level 2's/Level 3's.

Dear god …. why in God’s name would you publically announce this?

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Eh, i'm not seeing hohum scum. I dunno, i've never played with him before, but this sort of passive-aggressive antagonism is pretty normal for him outside of mafia games.

But I’m not voting him for his passive aggressive play. I’m voting him for attempting to rile up the hornets nest that is VI- Yami immediately on entering the game and then calling out people for attacking her for her play. It looks very much like classic White-knighting after purposefully stirring the pot.

Of course this relies on Yami not being scum but that’s a more or less impossible read at this stage given her play.

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It was the primate vote. Six pages of bitching and moaning about how scummy and stupid Yami is and then suddenly just voting someone cause they voted you without reason.

Hmmm … this may be a good catch.

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Why would LLD fake a PR? That doesn't make any sense. Both scum and townies have boxes. Having a PR doesn't say anything about your alignment. Faking a PR serves absolutely no purpose other than making a headache for yourself.

I disagree that faking a Post Restriction isn’t a possible good scum play. Go read Cow (Mr. Spreads Hands Wide) in a Storm of Swords Mafia effective scum use of a Post Restriction.

That said this game is significantly different in that LLD shouldn’t possibily have a power to demonstrate her alignment until Day 2. So I give it a Null weight myself.

[MagnaofIllusion]

Be quiet, Magna.

Um, no.

I remember the last time we played together and you tried desperatedly to give the scum Godfather Espeonage a pass because his claim fit Mod Outguessing. So no, I'm not going to listen to crap like that again.

[MagnaofIllusion]

Neruz earns scum-points for

301

.

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I'm not using statistics - it's merely the internal scales at work. I think (thought) it was a likelier scenario of the two.

This is exactly why I don’t care … your internal scales mean absolutely nothing to me. Your internal scales also said Hider was a role Wolframhart was likely to include in his set-up.

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He's talking about LL getting PR. Not a random player.

So what?

Hoopla is saying “The odds that LLD randomly got a PR box are less than the odds she made it up”.

Which is unproveable on its face and a complete waste of time.

Once again … LLD is able to post enough content combined with her voting pattern to get a solid read on her.

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Sathoris is either lying or the mod is online right now and responded to his box opening or he is lying. I see no indication of the mod being online.

1. With the ability to hide online status this is an absolutely worthless line of attack.
2. If Reaper flips scum Juls soars up my scum chart.

[MagnaofIllusion]

361

and

362

have convinced me Reaper - you aren't going to manage to find a way to be Pro-Town and instead will continue to troll the game.

UNVOTE: Hohum
VOTE: ReaperCharlie

[MagnaofIllusion]

Post 395 comes from town. I will bet my life on it.

And 396 is :goodposting:

So suddenly Yami, who you were pushing as flailing, obv-scum earlier suddenly is a lock solid Town read?

CSL you can swim in the scum-pool.

[MagnaofIllusion]

*splash*

I'm swimming in the "I do not give a crap" pool.

UNVOTE: ReaperCharlie
VOTE: CSL

[MagnaofIllusion]

RC's one-word post claim does seem a little unlikely. Also, it seems wierd that he would not have been modkilled by trying to get around this alleged restriction. Also, he is the closest to a majority.

Active lurking at it's finest.

Question time Yami -

1. What does his claim being unlikely say about his alignment?
2. How is he trying to get around his restriction? Please provide post numbers for examples as support.
3. What does his being closest to majority say about his alignment?

[MagnaofIllusion]

1. If Reaper is lying about the contents of his box, he either hasn't opened it yet and wants us to think that he has or has opened it but doesn't want us to know what's really inside. The fact that he would lie rather than simply not address opening it all is suspicious.

1. Commit to a position – do you think he is lying or do you not?
2, Do you think it is in the Mafia’s best interests to fake a crippling post restriction given the reaction to said post restriction we have seen?

3. Nothing, but if we don't make kills, we are just sitting back and letting the Mafia pick us off one by one. I still think CSL is Mafia. But if it's Reaper or possibly no one, best to go with Reaper.

1. Deadline is approximately 18 days away. We are clearly not in a ‘Reaper or no-one’ situation. Why are you presenting it as if we are?
2. So you are comfortable voting a wagon just because it is the leading wagon over a player (CSL) you have directly called scummy?

[MagnaofIllusion]

It's not even that groundbreaking.

Grab a new box off the shelf

You know what is groundbreaking?

Reading the thread ... and the rules!!

If you had done so you would realize that you can only grab a new box

AT NIGHT

!!!!

[MagnaofIllusion]

Also, I said I believed kondi's first post was the townslip.

Ok, I’ve quoted Kondi’s first post below. Please bold and explain why it is a Townslip. Because it looks to me like this is the exact same 'Townslip' that you agreed you had no reason knowing about -

:@Kondi –

1. Please confirm that you are a Neighbor to Parama and DH, as they have claimed.
2. If you are please confirm the paraphrase of your posting as claimed by DH is correct.
3. If it is correct please explain why confirming alignment unconfirmed Neighbors is important and why you think lynching you would be the best way to accomplish that.

1. Yes, I'm their Neighbor.
2. Yep, it's right.
3. I feel really stupid. I was under the impression that we were alignment confirmed. Haven't played any games in groups besides scum groups.

Now that I know this, get off my crapwagon, guys. Imma reread.

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@MOI: How confident are you in DH being scum over Parama? I see questions and suspicions towards both in your iso, but why do you think that a DH lynch would better than a Parama one?

I do have questions and suspicions of both.

Demon overall looks worse to me. I think this is mostly covered in my ISO but I’ll summarize here.

1. I don’t buy that he ‘made a similar mistake’ when new but didn’t bother to even try to ascertain what Kondi was saying in the QT before starting the wagon on Kondi.
2. Once he unvoted Kondi he jumped immediately called Meran scummy saying “he’s been scummy all along” when there was no mention of Meran being scummy before that point. His response was whelming (that means not good).
3. His followup vote on Hydra was another example of ‘Jump the Wagon’. After he voted he later said he’d be ISOing Hydra to see if he was scummy.
4. Lastly I’m waiting on another response to a point he has yet to address struck me as scummy when he posted it.

[MagnaofIllusion]

Three more votes against CSL needed for majority!D :

UNVOTE: CSL

Yamichan shut the hell up.

We are not ending Day 1 within 48 hours.

I don't care what you are used to.

There is more to the game here.

[MagnaofIllusion]

And it's silly to put off a lynch. The longer it does, the worse it will be.

And this is why you have NO CLUE what you are talking about. None. Not an iota.

This is not whatever silly little forum you came from. I’ve read enough to know exactly what sort of environment you come from.

24 hour Days
Setups heavily dependant on Power Roles
Scum hunting outside of Follow the Cop not really existing
Players on average very mediocre

The game you are used to is very low skill. Sorry if this hurts your feelings but it is the truth. I know because I spent 2 years playing in an environment just like that. And grew tired of the low level of play. So I came here.

You’ve come to the big leagues. We have 20 real life Days for a reason. There is much to be gained from seeing people interact and vote.

Your continual whining about what is good for Town here is tiresome.

You don’t know what you are talking about. Stop pretending you do.

For example if your “DERP let’s end the day within 48 hours” had been accepted bvoigt would not have even posted.

We are not ending the Day now. I have a number of players I want more content from. So stop complaining about it. You can go back to calling everyone who questions your scum.

Bvoigt
Toonfighter
Kondi
Spyrex
Hoopla

[MagnaofIllusion]

You sound like nothing more than an arrogant jerk. No clue? I've played a lot more Mafia than you think, and it's pretty petty of you to insult my past experience just because it was different from yours. You frankly don't know anything about it. We played very in-depth games-far more in-depth than this forum, from what I've seen. I am allowed to have opinions on what is good for the Town. If you are incapable of acting like an adult and talking to other people decently, simply don't talk at all.

You further prove what kind of person you are by latching on to the lie that I call everyone who votes agianst me Mafia which has been repeatedly revealed to be a lie.

Your arrogance will be your downfall. I've seen it happen before. You think I don't know what I'm doing, just because I'm new. Mark my words, this mistake will be fatal.

You are allowed to have an opinion. Just as I am allowed to quite properly tell you that your opinion is dead wrong. And you are. Make no bones about it.

Your 'we played a deep game, much better than here' statement makes me laugh. I've seen that sort of statement over and over from people coming to the site. Protect your ego anyway you can Yumi.

I'm going to go through your ISO tomorrow and demonstrate how you OMGUS / call anyone who suspect you scum. It will be enlightening to see the bolded blow up in your face.

If I didn't think you were a VI I'd be pushing your lynch right now. But you are a VI. And thus you need bullets rather than rope.

[MagnaofIllusion]

Anyone Day 2 who claims having killed Yami overnight - I will sheep you the rest of the game.

This is a 100% serious offer. Call your operators today to learn how you too can take advantage of having MoI sheep you.

[MagnaofIllusion]

Cult is TOWN?

ITT we see that RC can't distinguish between a "Cult Cop", a Cop that detects Cult members, and a Cop who is Cult aligned.

In other news that's an obsene amount of deaths.

I have a question I want to ask but am waiting on one bit of information before I proceed.

@RC

- I thought you were only able to add ONE sylable per phase. Looks like you added two. Explain please!

[MagnaofIllusion]

So while I am waiting around let’s discuss the wagon on CSL.

CSL being Jester means that there is scum certainly to be found on the wagon. Dollars to donuts at least one is certainly late given how I kept telling you people not to rush the Day like Derp-Yami kept insisting.

CSL(13) - ReaperCharlie, CooLDoG, Sathoris, inHimshallibe, LobsterCatapult, Juls, YamiChan, DeathNote,

Lady Lambdadelta

, kondi2424,

Hoopla

, hohum,

Mastermind of Sin

So kondi and hohum, got any good explanations why you shouldn’t be wagonned immediately?

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Also, Mastermind of Sin’s flip indicates he was a lying bastard without a true post restriction.

[MagnaofIllusion]

So I have a claim of the kill on Hoopla.

Does anyone want to counter-claim that?

[MagnaofIllusion]

Why would you claim that out of the blue?

Also, why Hoopla?

Read what I wrote carefully. I didn’t claim to have killed Hoopla. I HAVE a claim from someone who claims to have killed Hoopla. Rather large difference.

@Neruz

– When are you claiming to have opened the box that gave you that information re: alignment changes.

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@MOI: Don't follow that there is certainly scum on the wagon. There are some good players in blue there and I don't see any reason why the other two couldn't be town either.

Certainly it is possible that kondi and Hohum might be Town. And it’s certainly possible they might be scum. This is a Null argument you are making.

Fact – CSL was from scum’s perspective a mislynch. By the time it got very viable some people jumped off in hopes of getting more info out of the day. The last chunk of the wagon pretty much was people ignoring that.

Town doesn’t benefit when the day is rushed on a mislynch.

Thus I’d be willing to wager [INVISIBLE PRIZES] that at least one of the last five voters on CSL was scum. Luckily in that regard we already know the alignment of 3 of them.

[MagnaofIllusion]

@MOD – I’ll be V/LA starting at 4pm EST until Monday at 8pm for my usual family weekend duties.

VOTE: Xvart

Reasons to be revealed in a dramatic manner at a later date.

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I'm wagering that Mafia shot Hoopla, which is really strange considering that she claimed an anti-cult ability

Yeah, I think this is very unlikely for reasons that will be made apparent at a future date.

I generally don’t like that much NK-flavor speculation so early.

But I do like your vote.

I think a more reasonable explanation for bvoigt and Mastermind of Sin showing up as vanilla townies is that there might be a janitor-type ability. The only reason that a VT would fake a post restriction in this type of game would be so that they could hide the fact that they opened a more valuable box.

I think that your second explanation (VT gambitting to prevent knowledge that they had not opened their box) makes more sense than double Janitored players.

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ill have to go back and reread though the mess that was d1, but i still dont really like rikana. need to reread kondi, cooldog and xvart, i dont really like xvarts vote on RC.

You’d get bonus Town points for elaborating why you dislike xvart’s vote if it is the reason I dislike it.

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You said that you believe it to be the case that one of the scum was late on the wagon. There are three good players there who evidently didn't believe what you are saying to be true. Why are you attributing a thought pattern to scum when, from what we've seen, the majority of the 5 you put in the late group thought it was a pro-town thing to do?

Because it wasn’t a Pro-Town thing to do, regardless of how much you like said dead Townies later on the wagon. It was god-awfully not Pro-Town.

Do you dispute that scum like to push non-scum Mislynches? Do you think that all scum on the CSL wagon appeared early? Do you dispute the notion that there are likely multiple scum on the CSL wagon?

Also, what was your rationale for starting your group at LL instead of Deathnote?

Arbitrarily chosen based on gut and professional judgement.

[MagnaofIllusion]

How was that hat, BTW?

Ok, so what exact scum-hunting benefit is there to going back to Day 1 (when you weren’t even in the game) and bringing this up?

MoI's assessment of the wagon is crap. CSL's 180 on YamiChan was blatant vote bait. Everyone on that wagon is suspect.

I’ve fixed this based on your later post.

Now go and find where I say others on the wagon aren’t scum. Please do so.


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SO YEAH WHAT"S UP BITCHES AND ALL THAT GOOD RAGEY SHIT.

Vote ReaperCharlie

BECAUSE I FUCKING LOVED THE HOOPLA LOLYNCH PLAN.

Yeah, so not any sort of Town oriented thinking here. Scumtastic.

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I do however, agree with spyrex's assesment of the wagon. Scum are all fucking over that.

Great. Name your top three suspects from the wagon and vote one. Or vote xvart if you aren't already. Either way is pretty solid.

Also for the record I did trade Hoopla a box. It was called, "Hammer tyme"

Was this the Box she opened or another at Night? Please clarify.

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[MagnaofIllusion]

I have a town read on MoI right now. I think we should see what he is offering up here. Why is no one else jumping on this?

Well before some run-away train of built up suspense gets started I'm going to apply the brakes.

My vote has NOTHING to do with cool secret inside information. Just normal scum-hunting.

So continue to vote xvart cause he's scumtastic but don't get worked up about possible role information.

@Juls - the word dramatic was used for showmanship purposes only. Just so you know.

[MagnaofIllusion]

Post bomb incoming … duck and cover!!!!

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I’m going to put this at the Top so everyone can see.

DK is a VI

. Absolutely no doubt about it.

I’ve played with him in two games.

Superhero Mafia – he was basically Policy lynched for acting like he is here, Governed by a Mafia team for kicks (DK was VT), and vigged N1.

Umbrage’s Jungle Republic – Played much like he did so far this game (pointless statements about his alignment and whining how Scum sided the game was, OMGUS all over the place, and posting worse than Shotty in his prime). He survived to endgame as Stupid Town and made a post 24 hours after the GM posted the endgame advocating who should be lynched.

DK is absolutely a policy lynch regardless of his play. You will never get a read on him being truly scummy because his play is 100% scummy regardless of his alignment.

And I am 100% on board with doing so if my 'Running Crew' think him over xvart is the way to go.

@Spyrex, CoolDoG, KK

– I’ll join on DK if you all think it wise to lynch him in light of what I said above. Otherwise I think xvart is our number 1 target otherwise. Agree?

Otherwise my little friend might take care of the DK living issue for us.

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Xvart, DK, Rikana (something bugs me about her, for some reason.) scum team anybody?

I’m completely on board with 2 of those 3. DK? As stated above … only Mod knows. But he has to die well before endgame.

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poor DK. You need to learn to be more like me and not base your own thoughts or attempt to appear town. Just follow someone who you think is town and then you wouldn't appear scummy to everyone else. Advice from one bad player to another.

Funny but you look like scum in the one game we played together. Then again you were.

If DK is just VI Town then Deathnote is scum.

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Blah. you suck, I hate you. not really

Unvote

Rule 4 Juls. The small text of ‘not really’, while funny, is not kosher.

Please return your vote to scum xvart though.

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I was thinking that you, me, & MagnaofIllusion could join forces in a voting block.

At this stage I agree to the revised block of Spyrex, MoI, KK and CooLDoG.

I also have a strong Townread on my Sekrit friend due to QT posting that means I have 4 solid Town to work with. Sweet!

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It is simply put, because in any permutation of how many letters, words, or syllables he adds I do not believe it.

This little nugget, drawn from 951, is exactly why xvart is scum. He’s not voting Reaper for scummy votes. Or any scummy actions outside his “it seems made-up” stance and taking every action of Reaper and framing it in that context. He's voting on what he thinks is an easy attack - improbability of actual post restriction from a rather controversial target.

When today started I planted a little seed. I saw Reaper’s posts and thought to myself – whut? Why does he have three syllables? So I went back and read Reaper’s posts in ISO and saw the “1 per PHASE” explanation.

So I decided to throw out a line to see if anyone would bite. I posted my “Hey, what’s up RC?” line in my first post to see if anyone would run with the inference that Reaper wasn’t being consistent.

And xvart took that line and ran with it like a Marlin on steroids. Didn’t even bother to do what I did and see what the claim was.

Now he’s caught in a scummy web and keeps flailing about, hoping his take that Reaper’s Post Restriction has to be faked and trying to make everything Reaper does look scummy in regards to the claimed restriction.

Sometime in the next 48 I’m going to go back and see what other gems I can find in xvart’s rather meager ISO from Day 1.

But the modifying part of his post restriction and the how that developed is what is keeping my vote. I did not remember it being one syllable per phase; I thought it was per day.

Oh, so your faulty memory is why your vote is staying, despite the fact that it was clearly stated by Reaper Day 1 the situation?

God you don’t like playing scum do you xvart.

Plus, being in Storm of Swords mafia I'm not too hip on post restrictions and letting people skate by because of that.

This ties back into the very first quote I highlighted and why you are scum – you are using ASOS as a crutch to make a vote on RC when you haven’t given reason 1 why his play is scummy other than ‘I think he’s fake-posting”.

The only person at this point I would consider voting is Rikana, for the reasons I mentioned yesterday. Voting YamiChan to give pressure and then saying later saying she doesn't need pressure because she'll obviously flail. It appears to me that he was just trying to get her into a spot where she would flail (knowing she would flail) to derail D1.

Oh so Rikana is scummy for his play but you’d rather vote Reaper. Thanks for that little relational nugget xvart. Possbile FOS- Partner, Vote Town in the House!!!!!

This was anti climatic...

Oh, I’m sure it was. When you are hoping for more role-fishing chances when you are caught scum finding out it was pure, 100% scum-hunting that hangs / vigs you must be annoying.

[MagnaofIllusion]

xvart's scum

Then why the hell aren't you voting for him?

[MagnaofIllusion]

Unvote you idiots guess i was too late, xvart was my mason buddy, gg

was that the hammer?

See, now I will have not an ounce of remorse for the intense pressue I am going to apply to the Vig to make sure you die tonight.

You’ve also made my ‘200% policy lynch Day 1 of any game we share’ list. Congrats!

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Got to say, though, knowing he's scum does make forming an opinion him easier.

Yeah, this way you didn’t have to make the tough choice whether to bus or not …

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Neruz is scum.

For 994? Unlikely given that scum would know which way the wind was about to blow and make a more definitive statement than that.

Bad KK, no donut for you.

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POSTING TO AVOID PROD.

Way to ‘Rage’ while scummily active lurking like a Boss.

Great scum move there Hohum. +1 obvpoints as usual.

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Wow wagon...

Following on the heels of HoHum we have scum active lurker number 2.

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Can't hammer my scumbud.

sorry.

Very brash of you to claim scum like that. Hoping the WIFOM will wash you clean of your truly scummy play?

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I can get behind xvart with the understanding that if ANYONE wants to even pretend they're packing a pro town shot DK goes away. Period.

Don’t worry Spy. I’m gonna have a long chat with my sekrit friend about popping Trolling VI DK tonight.

[MagnaofIllusion]

Uh, Magna.

What Mr. Monosyllabic?

[MagnaofIllusion]

I DON"T EVEN CARE ANYMORE MOI. YOU SHOULD TRY RUNNING A FUCKING WAGON INSTEAD OF FENCE-SITTING THE ENTIRE THREAD LIKE THE SCUM FAGGOT THAT YOU ARE. THE END.

Lulz you complete stupid shit.

I was the one pushing on xvart.

Way to be a complete non-thread reading, brainless piece of useless scum!!!!

Oh wait, just like normal.

[MagnaofIllusion]

In before HoHum replaces out crying like a small child ...

[MagnaofIllusion]

Lulz HoHum ... just because you are scum doesn't mean don't have partners.

I'd say go back to the Newbie queue to learn how to play but I've seen first hand how badly you fuck things up even there. I don't want to give real people actually wanting to learn to play a bad example.

[MagnaofIllusion]

MOi: Did you remember hohum's PR when you first responded to him?

Of course. That's why I put 'Rage' in that post.

Why ask such a pointless question Emp?

[MagnaofIllusion]

I didn't think your comment made sense mentioning the RAGE if you knew it was a PR.

And your point is?

[MagnaofIllusion]

HE'S A TROLL.

I COULDN'T GIVE A FUCK IF MOI IS TOWN.

HE'S A TROLL.

Trolling is not calling scum-you scum HoHum. That's called scum-hunting.

[MagnaofIllusion]

So HoHum

- why are you so mad about your post restriction when you brought it upon yourself by grabbing a second box?

[MagnaofIllusion]

HoHum can go sit in the corner and we can hang him tomorrow.

DK gets shot tonight or I reach through the internet and give my sekrit friend a wedgie.

He / she hasn't responded to my cogent posting in QT so far.

[MagnaofIllusion]

HOLD THE FUCKING PHONE PEOPLE!!!

Yes, I see we have a 'guilty' on Neruz.

There's a hell of a lot of questions I want answered until today goes blowing off into the sunset.

DK was supposed to be the Vig target of my contact last Night. I want to here from that person if the command to kill actually went through.

On another topic, anyone want to claim blocking me last night? Here's your one chance to claim it and not have it an official scum claim. Yes, I know it happened.

Or does anyone want to claim a Mass Roleblock last night? Because going straight to one (non-modkil) death last night is strange as hell

@Junox

- Let me get this straight ... you are a Vig that only kills Town? Are you unlimited? And should I not find it odd that I have a regular vig claim besides your 'special' Vig claim?

[MagnaofIllusion]

Ok, Sekret Partner has claimed to have submitted a shot on DK last Night.

I know I was blocked. DK survived so either he was Protected in some form (um, whut?) or Sekret Partner was blocked.

Noted that Stabbed (which I am running with as KK's flavor based on what we have seen claimed) didn't appear in the rundown also.

That's a whole bunch of Persons being Blocked / Protected even in a Power Rich game like this.

[MagnaofIllusion]

Was going to wait till the mod confirmed my action but it seems that it did go through.

Yesterday at the end of the day, just before the lynch, I submitted my "Around the World" box. This allowed me to roleblock the entire player list until the same time the following day which I am not sure exactly when that is. I do not recommend lynching Neruz.

Ok Deathnote ... does your box description give any reason why the Mafia kill was not blocked?

[MagnaofIllusion]

HoHum is a solid vote for now.

VOTE: HoHum

I'll need to review my overnight notes to see if I like anyone else more as scum.

Rikana IIRC would be someone who meets that description.

[MagnaofIllusion]

Dana ... did you have Neruz as a scum read before Junox's post?

Junox

- unless he is lynched you are officially on "Vig DK" duty.

That's the

ONLY

place, at this juncture, your shot should be going tonight if you are Town.

[MagnaofIllusion]

(As an aside, this means KK or CSL could have been scum and their buddies unaware of their real role. No real reason to think so, but it's worth not forgetting.)

Um KK was the scum NK last night. Even suggesting that he was somehow scum that got his alignment changed via box (yet his partners didn't know this) is so bad .....

I have to review Primate.

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@CooLDoG

- Come join us over here on HoHum!

[MagnaofIllusion]

WE LYNCH NERUZ TODAY to prove junox claim. If neruz flips scum Junox must be town or is playing really really stupid as scum. If neruz flips town we have junox lynch him and then lynch dk.

Um, no. I have a rock solid Town read on you CoolDoG so I’m going to put this gently –

Deathnote has claimed a Mass-roleblock that all evidence so far says actually happened.

Junox’s claim is useless when they were blocked.

We aren’t lynching Neruz on that claim.

Get over on HoHum please.

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after re-looking up hohum, why are we lynching hohum, and not dk? why not lynch dk and vig hohum?

I’ll be straight up here with my reasoning - HoHum looks like some sort of scum bomb role, perhaps one that could take out my Sekrit Vig Friend. His Post Restriction and play Day 2 looks specifically crafted to be targeted. Plus his begging to be vigged looks bad.

I’d much prefer we lynch him and force someone like DK to hammer. If he’s some sort of bomb / Super Saint Mafia role we can eliminate a scummy player at the same time we lynch him.

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Yep, that's fair enough. I had the idea in my head yesterday based on CSL and didn't think. You're quite right.

That’s still rather suspect. You think, with DK and YamiChan floating around Day 1, that the scum team wouldn’t try in the least to get someone other than one of their members lynched? Bussing CSL doesn’t give much credit, IMO.

You comment smells very much of the classic “Usefull Helpful Town” posting scum does. It, on the surface, looks like you are putting serious thought into the game, which Town does. But looking into the thinking it isn’t logical or Pro-Town at all.

--

Erm.. DK the next mislynch.

AtE from Chesskid Jr. Nice. Go sit in the corner and wait for your bullets please.

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Since I appear to have been blocked we really need to hit up DK today for claiming masons with a scum. I don't really get that. I have mainly been avoiding DK because he is a major troll in every game I have seen him play in.

This makes my skin crawl. As I said yesterday … DK is a walking mislynch. He’s best served by a hail of bullets.

Issue 1 I have – why in Day 1 or Day 2 didn’t you target DK if he’s been a major troll in every game you have played with him? I can’t see shooting Toonfighter over DK or YamiChan as a player with your claimed role Day 1. And Neruz was a rather bad shot also, IMO.

Issue 2 I have – why are you ignoring this little gem from Rikana?

Can't hammer my scumbud.

sorry.

This, based on your standard, is just as damning as DK’s post.

Yet not one peep out of your slot about how it’s a scum claim that must be killed.

We should lynch him and use my power on someone else.

No, your power is increadibly Anti-Town. Randomly shooting Town while not killing Scum is a WIFOM bomb that doesn’t serve Town being generally unleashed.

Kill another Townie with a bad shot like Toonfighter and I think you have to die. Just so you know where things stand.

[MagnaofIllusion]

Mod – I’ll be V/LA from 4pm EST today until Monday morning for my usual weekend family duties.

I’ll be reviewing the thread in regards to Xvart and Reapercharlie interactions, looking at Primate’s play, and doing a VC Analysis today. Hopefully the day lasts longer than 48 hours this time.

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I said it as a joke. If a joke damns me to a lynch, I really don't know where this community has gone to.

Yes, because only Town jokes and scum never do …

In reviewing my QT notes you were at the top of my “Hey, looks like scum to me list” after the xvart lynch.

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From the numbers and roles revealed so far, I think that 3 maf are probably still in the game. vote: DeathNote for reasons outlined yesterday.

Dana do you ever reset your reads when new information comes around? I ask because we’ve had relevant flips yet you are just parking on Deathnote (not that he is Townie McTowniepants) with ‘reasons from yesterday’. Please redevelop your case. I suspect the above is why people "never pay attention to you" ... you aren't putting in the effort.

[MagnaofIllusion]

5 to 6 mafia, dependent upon the existence of an SK. 3 to 4 left.

Pretty sure I'm confirmed.

Hello Mr. "I'm not paying attention". That's what you are 'confirmed' about, right?

Kublia Khan has flipped Serial Killer. We also have a flipped Jester.

How do these easily discoverable facts alter your thoughts?

Also ... who is scum?

[MagnaofIllusion]

Look, it's scum posting!!!!

[MagnaofIllusion]

@Empking: Pestered RC and that nonhammer of xvart imo.

So you are claiming confirmed Town for not hammering confirmed scum xvart? Yeah, that's a ball of useless WIFOM.

And what do you mean "Don't bring up Junox / Neruz / Deathnote"? Explain please.

[MagnaofIllusion]

Xvart ISO Reread

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ISO 0 - RVS / Initial vote on Rikana, accepts LLD’s claim post restriction with no hesitation.

ISO 2 – Attacks Rikana for back-peddaling on Yami / KK (who we know from game events couldn’t possibly have been a partner to xvart / RC)

Calls CSL’s vote Yami. FoS: Rikana as classic “Vote Town, FoS Partner”. Relevant for later.

“The way Nurez, CSL, and Rikana are all dancing around the Yami wagon seems very much like people stirring up trouble for the sake of distraction.” Lumps CSL (Jester, not Mafia), Neruz and Rikana together.

ISO 3 – Despite all the stances on Rikana being scum he votes Reaper for a ‘faked post restriction’ (which we know it was). In context this vote pulled Reaper even with CSL at 6 votes apiece. This is his first mention of RC’s post restriction and is in contrast to how readily he accepted LLD’s. In hindsight – bussing a disliked partner with perfect inside knowledge.

Day 1 ends there.

ISO 4 – Immediately comes flying at Reaper again. I’m guessing he was looking to capitalize on Town cred by strongly bussing and it backfired.

The only person at this point I would consider voting is Rikana, for the reasons I mentioned yesterday. Voting YamiChan to give pressure and then saying later saying she doesn't need pressure because she'll obviously flail. It appears to me that he was just trying to get her into a spot where she would flail (knowing she would flail) to derail D1.

More soft accustations at Rikana.

ISO 6 / 7 / 8 – Jousting with CoolDog about RC and his ‘restriction’.

ISO 9 – Self hammer.

Reaper ISO re-read

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In reading this he spends a good amount of time referencing other posts, especially Day 1. So I’m not going to get into every little spam post. And am not going to reference posts towards dead and flipped players.

ISO 0 – Votes Juls in RVS.

ISO 5 – Acknowldeges Juls catch of his ‘claimed’ post restriction.

ISO 37 – Uses Sath’s sudden post restriction as support for his own.

ISO 97 – Calls Neruz scum and votes for him.

ISO 109 – Disagrees with Spyrex that I am scum.

ISO 110- Backs off Neruz vote when Neruz points out the “Mafia kill flavor”

ISO 126 / 127– Questions Inhim’s “Do I get Town or scum cred for hammering claimed scum xvart” post.

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So looking at these ISOs –

I can really see Rikana as being a partner that xvart was distancing from (not actively trying to get him lynched but establishing that he was scummy in xvart’s eyes) while he actively bussed Reaper.

Reaper’s ISO is a mish-mash. I’m suspicious of Sath’s Post Restriction that suddenly crept up at just the right time to bolster RC’s Day1. Neruz and inhim are more likely to be Town based on RC’s interactions with them.

[MagnaofIllusion]

I make that hammer all time every time if I'm scum. Grains of salt, continue feeling like you're playing it "by the book."

Oh, so its Self-meta then. See that goes right out the door with me. I see scum as hoping to see if xvart could get some “Town only self-vote like that” cred working and thus held off hammering.

Junox/Neruz/DeathNote - did anyone ever look at reactions to this. I'll go look at it. Like, did Neruz look like caught scum? Did DeathNote's action claim hold true?

Um Deathnote’s claimed action pretty much has to be true given my direct knowledge that I was role-blocked N2 and indirect knowledge via the sudden drop in non-Mafia (aka Box) kills.

I want Neruz's death. If scum, both buddies are on there. No one even questions this until MoI at L-1.

Then you need a better reason than “Cop Claim on Neruz that resulted in a wagon”. Because people around here love ‘Follow the Cop’, regardless of how ‘evolved’ MS scum-hunting is supposed to be. Go looking for them.

[MagnaofIllusion]

Ok ... more time after my V/LA.

For the moment I'll simply leave a

VOTE: Rikana

[MagnaofIllusion]

Sooooo...

Neruz is still alive and he shouldn't be. Unless anyone wants to claim mass rb again...

vote: Neruz

~Rhinox

So Junox let’s talk about this …

Here’s what you said about your ability –

I am a Vigilante but my kill only works on town. I killed Toon Fighter night one /cry.
Night two Neruz was our target but he didn't die.

So you claimed a N1 kill on Toon Fighter.

Let’s look at deaths via Mod confirmation.

Toon Fighter, Town Time Manipulator, blew up Night 1

DeityKabuto, Vanilla Town, blown up Night 3

So according to the Mod (with some Tense difference) DK died by the same flavor as ToonFighter.

Why again should Neruz be dead when you apparently killed DK?
Are you disavowing the DK kill?

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@MOD – Is the DK death flavor (blown up) supposed to be “blew up” like Toon Fighter?

[MagnaofIllusion]

Is the DK death flavor (blown up) supposed to be “blew up” like Toon Fighter?

The two kill flavors should be the same, yes.

Also, Gammagooey replaces jmj3000 as of now.

Welcome Gamma.

Also based on the above quote

ANYONE

who votes for Neruz from this point out is claiming scum.

Julox needs to explain this push right now.

[MagnaofIllusion]

@Lobster- Rikana's early stuff with xvart doesn't look like bussing to me, it looks like Rikana messing around and having fun with her post style while voting le scumbags.

Go get your scumdar checked then Gamma.

Why didn't Rikana push xvart Day 2 (you know, when it actually mattered) and why didn't Rikana hammer xvart after he basically claimed scum in thread if Day 1 Rikana had a 'scum' read on xvart via their interactions?

The answer ... because it was all concocted and for show (aka distancing).

[MagnaofIllusion]

Look at Rikanas last two posts.

He listed myself and Lobster as scum and Neruz is null via default based on the summary at the end of the first post.

Then he votes Neruz.

Directly contradicting his reads.

Kill it with fire!!!!!

A more detailed post when I actually have a computer and not just my phone.

[MagnaofIllusion]

Comprehensive catch-up post tonight or tomorrow.

Work has made me its bitch today.

[MagnaofIllusion]

I lurk more as town then as scum. I dont know why people always think I lurk every game, I get into games when I actually have a role thats cool.

Um you lurked like a Champion in Gorrad's Fav Character Large theme as scum. So your self-meta isn't really all that impressive.

Care to show me multiple games of each kind (Scum not lurking, Town lurking, Town engaged with a 'Cool' role)? Thanks!

[MagnaofIllusion]

I replaced into that game towards the end and posted enough, more so then I usually do. I considered looking up these games for you, but I have now decided against it. I am not much of a researcher.

If your performance in that game is indicitive of "More posting and paying attention" than a normal game I wonder why you bother to play.

Because you didn't even bother to read well enough to know that I stole your vote when I posted my targets each Day. And were a clearly lurker.

I'm going to have to look over both Rikana and yourself because your attitude here makes me want to lynch you and I don't want to get sucked into just doing so because you play Lowell style.

[MagnaofIllusion]

This is usual DeathNote defense.

I don't mind if you do lynch him. He's dead town meat.

However, I do mind if he flips scum. Then there's seriously something wrong here.

See, this is why I'm not moving my vote. You are being what Spyrex calls cheeky scum.

More Rikana votes!!!!!! For great justice!!!!!

[MagnaofIllusion]

For those of you who keep bringing up the “xvart wouldn’t double bus / distance” (which is mainly Gammagooey) I’m going to give you a review of Rikana’s Day 1 and Day 2 play.

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Day 1 – (post 792)

Rikana (who is an obv alt, IMO) votes YamiChan in ‘RVS’.

ISO 1 – In response to xvart’s question about alt status and whether he is trying to ‘derail the day” he responds with the following

Do I sense the wonders of opportunity in your text? Why yes, yes I do.

Unvote, Vote: Xvart

In ISO 3 he puts together a strange post where he tries to relate xvart’s questions to him to being broken up with.

Hops on the Yami bandwagon in ISO 7.

In ISO 9 (post 335) he says the following –

#182 is quite good with theory. It also makes my thoughts of xvart scum go away.

So he hops right off the xvart is scum wagon. What is post 182 you ask? It is a post from xvart.

In that post xvart, among other things, says the following –

Care to explain the disparity between these two posts? This is exactly what I was referring to when I asked you if you were just trying to derail D1. Also, I don't understand the relevance of your dating example. My opinion is even further justified by your whole "let's lynch her tomorrow if we have to" and your whole motivational speech directed at YamiChan followed up by a 180 degree turn and vote on her. Speaking of your vote, you had already identified YamiChan as someone who was going to flail and yet you say "dammit, I hate it when you're right" to CSL and vote Yami when CSL said "she's flailing and appealing to emotion." Can you backpedal more?

This is an attack on Rikana’s Yami stances.

FoS buddy, vote easy lynch townie?

Here he is attacking CSL (known Jester and not scum) for FOSing Rikana and voting Yami.

Pretty strong appearance that xvart things Rikana is scum.

In xvart’s immediate next post he throws all his suspicion away to vote Reaper. This is why I very much doubt that xvart wasn’t pushing Town Rikana. His ‘suspicion’ from that post on never returns in anything but soft form. And he pushs Reaper tirelessly. Given the flack that xvart got Day 2 from pushing on a post restriction for weak reasons (that ultimately got him caught as scum) he should have reverted to Rikana when resistence formed and gone after him if Rikana is Town.

But he didn’t. He pushed Reaper strongly in the face of his eventual lynch. It says to me that he was either going to ‘clear’ Reaper or himself by pushing that lynch and that his Rikana ‘suspicion’ was early distancing that fell by the wayside when Reaper’s troll-like play appeared.

Now, back to Rikana’s ISO …

ISO 10 - We get this little gem …

THERE'S A CULT?

CULT ME.

Pulling the same “cheeky scum” move that Reaper also did.

The rest of his Day 1 ISO is a weak vote for Inhim and one-liners.

Day 2 – (post 1074)

Starts Day 2 voting for Primate? The reason is that Primate said he didn’t counterclaim my ‘Vig’ Sekrit Partner claim. Which he found ‘odd’. Which makes no sense given I specifically asked for counterclaims.

Spends some time White-Knighting DK in ISOs 21 and 22.

ISO 23 – Here we have his response to the xvart wagon ..

I'll look into Xvart, but I'm still good with my Primate vote.

ISO 24 – More cheeky scum play

Can't hammer my scumbud.

sorry.

What does it all mean –

Both xvart and Rikana placed distancing suspicion on each other early Day 1 but moved off to other targets. Both xvart and Rikana never returned to those early suspicions – xvart kept saying he suspected Rikana but never pursued it Day 2 and Rikana blessed xvart with a Town read for post 182.

Like I’ve said – it looks like pretty blatant distancing to me.

[MagnaofIllusion]

And now a large catch-up post for recent events –

So my Sekrit partner and I have mostly been slacking in the QT. Meh, what can you do?

And I promised myself I would do a real VC Analysis of Day 1 and Day 2 soon. Maybe I can get that done today.

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I absolutely detest “Lulz, Gambitz” like what Junox tried. The fact that you claimed once again to have ‘shot’ Neruz and he survived when the actual Mod provided facts said differently is annoying as hell.

I’ve had a Town read on Neruz and the continual attacks on him are baffling me. Anyone want to provide an outline that doesn’t revolve around invalid ‘Cop’ results?

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CoolDoG continues to be Town as his catch on the blatant inconsistency (aka not actually scum-hunting but just creating filler that looks like scum-hunting to the naked eye) of Rikana’s VC Inhim reads is solid Town investigation.

--

Funnily I am just now reading Lobster’s Rikana ISO. I’m seeing many of the same elements from the review I just did. Lobster is Town.

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Empking’s vote on Neruz from an obviously busted Cop claim looks very scummy.

Secondly, semi-cop results.

No. Just absolutely fucking NO!!!!!

Because the second ‘Semi-Cop’ result was so obviously incorrect that you didn’t even stop to question it makes my scum-dar ping madly.

Vote: Neruz - The "Who's Rhinox?" discussion.

Pop quiz … what does Neruz as scum have to gain from pushing a technically correct but pointless issue like that?

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In the mid 30s, Lobster is looking like a really good lynch from her day 1 play around xvart and ReaperCharlie, and Deathnote looks like a decent lynch from his uselessness day 1 and being on RC's top 3 scumlist with the dead jester and a kondi (who looked like he was only on the list for calling RC scum).

Why don’t your provide some examples of why Lobster’s play around xvart and RC is suspect. Because I have a pretty good Town read on LC.

Um, are you relying on a Dead Person’s list as a reason to vote someone? Really? Because I thought that was prime-time scum play in your book.

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Rikana’s 1199 ‘VC Analysis’ is so craptasticly butchered words don’t even ….

[MagnaofIllusion]

Did we get a claim from Rikana yet?

Why are you worried about him claiming? Boxes are randomly distributed so any ability he may have is Null regarding his alignment.

Lynch

or don't lynch him

for his play.

[MagnaofIllusion]

Cool.
Anyone up for a deathnote lynch since we have more time now? You know you want to murder a delicious useless lurkerscums.
If not I need to go over Neruz some before deciding between him and Rikana.

Actually lay out some posts of Deathnote that you feel are scummy. I'll be honest ... after looking at his ISO I see several posts that ring solid Town.

And Rikana I feel is pretty much claimed scum so unless you can provide a convincing case I'm not going 'Lurkerscum' hunting at this stage.

[MagnaofIllusion]

I don't think i understand why Rikana appears to be our lynch though, a quick ISO of him doesn't seem to reveal anything particulary incriminating, can someone sum up the case on him?

I made a rather large post detailing Rikana's scumminess in the last 48 hours. Please look up my recent ISO for these needs.

[MagnaofIllusion]

There may be redeeming qualities about his use of Box power. That's part of his play as well, yes?

If his box had redeeming qualities they probably would have been exploited by now. Notice that many of the stronger powers in this game appear to be x-shot. My box was.

And as I stated before … boxes were randomly assigned so even if he drew a “Cop” if his Dayplay says scum we shouldn’t let a box dictate whether he is lynched.

Day 1 I can see letting box powers give some leeway. Day 4? No, I don’t.

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An explicit disclaimer that his vote is an RVS vote to avoid it being called out for something

How is that remotely a scum-tell?

I see what you are saying on the other points but I’m not sold that they are absolute lock-scum tells. Now on to what I see as Town posting by Deathnote ….

mine is so opportunistic it hurts. You should vote me instead of him. I am simply bwing without a cause.

This is so Town it hurts. He’s calling out Rikana’s vote on xvart for being opportunistic (which as I previously said looks like distancing to me). I cannot see scum-Deathnote going out of his way to call his own play scummy and invite a vote from Rikana.

I agree with everything Juls has said up to this point and considering becoming her lackey should I lose my own desire to read this thread.

Unvote

Vote: Neruz

It was the primate vote. Six pages of bitching and moaning about how scummy and stupid Yami is and then suddenly just voting someone cause they voted you without reason.

This is a Town post. I disagree that Neruz is scummy but the reasoning behind the vote reads to me as solid and Town scum-hunting efforts.

I was about to get annoyed with the massive amount of posts but then I realized that PR's are helping to spam this thread. Reaper, why am I one of your scum choices?

Why would Scum partner Deathnote actively question RC about being a ‘scum’ read actively in thread? I don’t see it.

Those all three say to me – Deathnote is Town. Lazy, bad playing Town but Town none-the-less.

His exchange with you also says “Deathnote is Town” is the fact that you pressured him repeatedly about voting on page 52 and he didn’t appease you with an immediate vote. Sticking to your guns in that situation is Townnie behavior even if it is stupid Town behavior in not voting often in the first place.

Note that when I called out RC on his lack of xvart vote Day 2 his reaction was “Oh, vote: Xvart”.

I’d rather have claimed Cop / Vig Junox test him at Night than lynching him when I see multiple Town posts and Rikana needs rope.

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Catching people lying seems good in theory but I'm having a hard time coming up with a realistic situation in this game where that actually would have happened.

Well had your slot not gone screaming “Neruz is scum, kill it with fire” with the supporting reasoning and that not prompted me to call up the possibility of a Mass-block Deathnote might have been able to catch an ambitious fake-claiming scum.

But its water under the bridge.

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Fuck off.

So after that large wall this is the only response. I guess you’ve given up. Nice.

I’m very glad you have if you are scum like I feel you must be.

[MagnaofIllusion]

Mod – I’ll be V/LA from today at 4pm EST until Monday for my usual family weekend duties. And Saturday is a guaranteed bust because we are going to a Baseball game.

[MagnaofIllusion]

Ok Juls please confirm you killed Deathnote.

I'm going back to the drawing board this game. Vote Count Analysis Incoming. Please stand by for pointless MoI walling ...

[MagnaofIllusion]

Blue is confirmed Town via flip. Red is confirmed scum via flip. Orange is confirmed 3rd Party via flip.

All replaced players have been replaced through the entire Vote Count for readability purposes.

Day 3 gets skipped due to Hohum’s modkill stupidity ending the day before significant voting could occur.

Spoiler: Day 1 Raw Data

Kublai Khan

(4) -

Rikana

,

CSL

,

Toon Fighter

, danakillsu

CSL

(6) -

Lady Lambdadelta

,

Kublai Khan

,

ReaperCharlie

,

CooLDoG

, Sathoris, inHimshallibe

Hohum

(1) - MagnaofIllusion
Gammagooey(1) - Empking

Rikana

(3) - SpyreX,

xvart

, LobsterCatapult
Neruz(2) -

DeathNote

, Junox

Lady Lambdadelta

(1) -

Mastermind of Sin

ReaperCharlie

(5) -

Hoopla

,

Primate

, Neruz,

DeityKabuto

,

Hohum

Not Voting(2) -

bvoigt

, Gammagooey

Kublai Khan

(4) -

Rikana

,

CSL

,

Toon Fighter

, danakillsu

CSL

(5) -

Kublai Khan

,

ReaperCharlie

,

CooLDoG

, Sathoris, inHimshallibe

Hohum

(1) - MagnaofIllusion
Gammagooey(1) - Empking

Rikana

(2) - SpyreX, LobsterCatapult
Neruz(2) -

DeathNote

, Junox

Lady Lambdadelta

(1) -

Mastermind of Sin

ReaperCharlie

(6) -

Hoopla

,

Primate

, Neruz,

DeityKabuto

,

Hohum

,

xvart

Primate

(1) -

Lady Lambdadelta

Not Voting(2) -

bvoigt

, Gammagooey

Kublai Khan

(3) -

Rikana

,

Toon Fighter

, danakillsu

CSL

(6) -

ReaperCharlie

,

CooLDoG

, Sathoris, inHimshallibe, MagnaofIllusion, LobsterCatapult

Rikana

(1) - SpyreX
Neruz(2) -

DeathNote

, Junox

Lady Lambdadelta

(1) -

Mastermind of Sin

ReaperCharlie

(8) -

Hoopla

, Neruz,

DeityKabuto

,

Hohum

,

xvart

,

CSL

, Empking,

Kublai Khan

Primate

(1) -

Lady Lambdadelta

Not Voting(3) -

bvoigt

, Gammagooey,

Primate

Kublai Khan

(3) -

Rikana

,

Toon Fighter

, danakillsu

CSL

(8) -

ReaperCharlie

,

CooLDoG

, Sathoris, inHimshallibe, MagnaofIllusion, LobsterCatapult, Junox,

Kublai Khan

Rikana

(1) - SpyreX
Neruz(1) -

DeathNote

Lady Lambdadelta

(1) -

Mastermind of Sin

ReaperCharlie

(7) -

Hoopla

, Neruz,

DeityKabuto

,

Hohum

,

xvart

,

CSL

, Empking

Primate

(1) -

Lady Lambdadelta

Not Voting(3) -

bvoigt

, Gammagooey,

Primate

Kublai Khan

(3) -

Rikana

,

Toon Fighter

, danakillsu

CSL

(10) -

ReaperCharlie

,

CooLDoG

, Sathoris, inHimshallibe, LobsterCatapult, Junox,

Kublai Khan

,

DeathNote

,

Lady Lambdadelta

, Empking

Rikana

(1) - SpyreX

ReaperCharlie

(5) -

Hoopla

,

DeityKabuto

,

Hohum

,

xvart

,

CSL

Neruz(1) -

Mastermind of Sin

Not Voting(5) -

bvoigt

, Gammagooey,

Primate

, MagnaofIllusion, Neruz

Kublai Khan

(2) -

Toon Fighter

, danakillsu

CSL

(12) -

ReaperCharlie

,

CooLDoG

, Sathoris, inHimshallibe, LobsterCatapult, Junox,

Kublai Khan

,

DeathNote

,

Lady Lambdadelta

, Empking,

Hoopla

,

Hohum

Rikana

(1) - SpyreX

ReaperCharlie

(3) -

DeityKabuto

,

xvart

,

CSL

Neruz(1) -

Mastermind of Sin

inHimshallibe(1) -

Rikana

Not Voting(5) -

bvoigt

, Gammagooey,

Primate

, MagnaofIllusion, Neruz

Kublai Khan

(3) -

Rikana

,

Toon Fighter

, danakillsu

CSL

(13) -

ReaperCharlie

,

CooLDoG

, Sathoris, inHimshallibe, LobsterCatapult, Junox,

Kublai Khan

,

DeathNote

,

Lady Lambdadelta

, Empking,

Hoopla

,

Hohum

,

Mastermind of Sin

Rikana

(1) - SpyreX

ReaperCharlie

(3) -

DeityKabuto

,

xvart

,

CSL

Not Voting(5) -

bvoigt

, Gammagooey,

Primate

, MagnaofIllusion, Neruz

Spoiler: Day 2 Raw Data

ReaperCharlie

(2) -

xvart

, inHimshallibe

CooLDoG

(1) -

Primate

Neruz(1) -

ReaperCharlie

nHimshallibe(1) - Sathoris

Not Voting(14) - MagnaofIllusion, Junox,

Rikana

, danakillsu, Empking,

DeathNote

,

DeityKabuto

, SpyreX, LobsterCatapult,

Kublai Khan

,

Hohum

,

CooLDoG

, Neruz, Gammagooey

ReaperCharlie

(4) -

xvart

, inHimshallibe,

Hohum

,

DeityKabuto

CooLDoG

(1) -

Primate

Neruz(1) - Empking
inHimshallibe(1) - Sathoris

xvart

(3) -

Kublai Khan

, MagnaofIllusion, Junox

Primate

(1) -

Rikana

Not Voting(8) - danakillsu,

DeathNote

, SpyreX, LobsterCatapult,

CooLDoG

, Neruz, Gammagooey,

ReaperCharlie

ReaperCharlie

(4) -

xvart

, inHimshallibe,

Hohum

,

DeityKabuto

CooLDoG

(1) -

Primate

inHimshallibe(1) - Sathoris

xvart

(3) -

Kublai Khan

, MagnaofIllusion,

CooLDoG

Primate

(1) -

Rikana

DeityKabuto

(1) - Empking

Not Voting(8) - danakillsu,

DeathNote

, SpyreX, LobsterCatapult , Neruz, Gammagooey,

ReaperCharlie

, Junox

ReaperCharlie

(3) -

xvart

, inHimshallibe,

Hohum

CooLDoG

(1) -

Primate

inHimshallibe(1) - Sathoris

xvart

(3) - MagnaofIllusion,

ReaperCharlie

,

Kublai Khan

Primate

(1) -

Rikana

DeityKabuto

(3) - Empking, SpyreX,

CooLDoG

,
SpyreX(1) -

DeityKabuto

Not Voting(6) - danakillsu,

DeathNote

, LobsterCatapult, Neruz, Gammagooey, Junox

ReaperCharlie

(2) - inHimshallibe,

Hohum

CooLDoG

(1) -

Primate

xvart

(9) - MagnaofIllusion,

ReaperCharlie

,

Kublai Khan

, Neruz, SpyreX, Sathoris,

DeityKabuto

,

CooLDoG

,

xvart

Primate

(1) -

Rikana

DeityKabuto

(1) - Empking

Not Voting(5) - danakillsu,

DeathNote

, LobsterCatapult, Gammagooey, Junox

ReaperCharlie

(2) - inHimshallibe,

Hohum

CooLDoG

(1) -

Primate

xvart

(10) - MagnaofIllusion,

ReaperCharlie

,

Kublai Khan

, Neruz, SpyreX, Sathoris,

DeityKabuto

,

CooLDoG

,

xvart

, Junox

Primate

(1) -

Rikana

DeityKabuto

(1) - Empking

Not Voting(4) - danakillsu,

DeathNote

, LobsterCatapult, Gammagooey

Spoiler: Day 4 Raw Data

inHimshallibe(1) - Sathoris

Rikana

(2) - LobsterCatapult, MagnaofIllusion

DeathNote

(1) - danakillsu
danakillsu(1) -

Rikana

Neruz(3) - inHimshallibe, Junox, Empking

Not Voting(5) -

DeathNote

, SpyreX,

CooLDoG

, Neruz, Gammagooey

Rikana

(2) - LobsterCatapult, MagnaofIllusion

DeathNote

(2) - danakillsu, Gammagooey
Neruz(4) - inHimshallibe, Junox,

Rikana

, Empking
Empking(2) - Neruz, Sathoris

Not Voting(3) -

DeathNote

, SpyreX,

CooLDoG

Rikana

(6) - LobsterCatapult, MagnaofIllusion, SpyreX,

CooLDoG

, danakillsu, Sathoris

DeathNote

(1) - Gammagooey
Neruz(4) - inHimshallibe, Junox,

Rikana

, Empking
Empking(1) - Neruz

Not Voting(1) –

DeathNote

Rikana

(7) - LobsterCatapult, MagnaofIllusion, SpyreX,

CooLDoG

, danakillsu, Sathoris, Gammagooey
Neruz(4) - inHimshallibe, Junox,

Rikana

, Empking
Empking(1) - Neruz

Not Voting(1) –

DeathNote

[MagnaofIllusion]

Day 1 Analysis Points

–

I’ll be using DGB style “Scum on Wagon” calculations.

Day 1 scum calculations – With 2 known Third Party roles extant top end amount of non-Town is 25 * 1/3 or 8. I’m going to guess that 7 is more likely with the limited powers we have seen (very few unlimited roles). With two non-Town roles that means 5 Mafia estimated Day 1.

1. RC wagon Day 1 – this wagon topped out at 8 votes. 20% Mafia Day 1 (5/25) times 8 votes yields 2 (1.6 rounded) scum on wagon.

Hoopla

, Neruz,

DeityKabuto

,

Hohum

,

xvart

,

CSL

, Empking,

Kublai Khan

1 scum in (Empking, Neruz) - +1 scum value each

2.

CSL

final wagon Day 1 – 13 votes. 20% Mafia Day 1 yields 3 scum on the wagon.

ReaperCharlie

,

CoolDoG

, Sathoris, inHimshallibe, LobsterCatapult, Junox,

Kublai Khan

,

DeathNote

,

Lady Lambdadelta

, Empking,

Hoopla

,

Hohum

,

Mastermind of Sin

2 scum in (Sath, InHim, Lobster, Junox, Emp) - +2 scum value each.

Day 2 Analysis Points

–

Day 2 scum calcs – 5 Mafia alive, 19 playes alive – 26% votes are Mafia

1. Early RC wagon

xvart

, inHimshallibe

Given that xvart was power-bussing Reaper the relative strength of the Mafia team leads me to conclude that InHim is less likely to be scum based on this position.

InHim - -1 scum value

2. xvart final wagon – 10 votes. 26% Mafia Day 2 yields 3 (2.6) Mafia on the wagon.

MagnaofIllusion,

ReaperCharlie

,

Kublai Khan

, Neruz, SpyreX, Sathoris,

DeityKabuto

,

CoolDoG

,

xvart

, Junox

1 scum in (Neruz, Spyrex, Sathoris, Junox) - +1 scum value

3. Strongest non-Mafia wagon at 4th Vote Count (before xvart wagon gained steam) and all non-Mafia voters at same vote-count.

CoolDoG

(1) -

Primate

inHimshallibe(1) - Sathoris

Primate

(1) -

Rikana

DeityKabuto

(3) - Empking, SpyreX,

CoolDoG

,
SpyreX(1) -

DeityKabuto

Not Voting(6) - danakillsu,

DeathNote

, LobsterCatapult, Neruz, Gammagooey, Junox

DK wagon – 3 votes at 26% yields 1 (.78) Mafia on the wagon
Non-Mafia voters – 13 votes at 26% yields 3 (3.38) Mafia off the xvart and RC wagons

1 scum in (Empking, Spyrex) – +1 scum value each
2 scum in (Sath, dana, Lobster, Neruz, Gamma, Junox) - +2 scum value each

Day 4 Analysis Points

–

Day 4 scum calcs – 3 Mafia alive, 13 players Day 4 – 23% votes are Mafia

1. End of day Rikana wagon - 7 votes. 23% Mafia Day 4 yields 2 (1.6) Mafia on the wagon

2 scum in (Lobster, Spyrex, dana, Sath, Gamma) - +2 scum value each

2. Ending Neruz wagon – 4 votes. 23% Mafia yields 1 Mafia on the wagon

1 scum in (Inhim, Junox, Empking) - +1 scum value each

[MagnaofIllusion]

Scum Value Summary

–

Empking – 5
Neruz – 3
Sath – 7
InHim – 2
Lobster – 6
Junox – 6
Spyrex – 4
Dana – 4
Gamma – 4

So I have two stratified groups of scum kicked out by Scumputer Jr –

7 to 5 group – Empking, Sathoris, Lobster, Junox
4 to 1 group – Neruz, InHim, Spyrex, Dana, Gamma

I’m guessing if we have 3 scum left more are in the 7 to 5 group than the 4 to 1 group.

I’ll be re-ISOing Empking, Sath, Lobster and Neruz

[MagnaofIllusion]

While showering this morning I realized I had made a critical error in assessing the relative levels of scumminess in my analysis post. The wagons and calculation of raw numbers of scum are valid but I’m revising the weighting as follows …

Day 1

1 scum in (Empking, Neruz) - +.5 scum value each

2 scum in (Sath, InHim, Lobster, Junox, Emp) - +.4 scum value each.

Day 2

InHim - -1 scum value

1 scum in (Neruz, Spyrex, Sathoris, Junox) - +.25 scum value

1 scum in (Empking, Spyrex) – +.5 scum value each
2 scum in (Sath, dana, Lobster, Neruz, Gamma, Junox) - +.33 scum value each

Day 3

2 scum in (Lobster, Spyrex, dana, Sath, Gamma) - +.4 scum value each

1 scum in (Inhim, Junox, Empking) - +.33 scum value each

The new Net scum values

–

Empking – 1.73
Neruz – 1.08
Sathoris – 1.38
InHim – Negative value
Lobster – 1.13
Junox – 1.31
Spyrex – 1.15
Dana – 0.73
Gammagooey – 0.73

So after revising my analysis output I find multiple tiers of weighting

Top Tier – Empking, Sathoris, Junox
Middle Tier – Spyrex, Lobster, Neruz
Bottom Tier – Dana, Gamma
Not scum Tier - InHim

[MagnaofIllusion]

Have you ever used this before, Magna?

Have I ever used Vote Count analysis before? Tons of times.

Have I ever used weighted values based on expected scum distribution? No, I've adopted that from DGB's Scumputer methodology. I wanted to see how the blending of the two methods (my hunting for critical information all the VCs mixed with DGB's statistical leaning) worked out.

[MagnaofIllusion]

BTW InHim I like my coloring system better as it specifically highlights the Third Parties as such.

Just saying.

[MagnaofIllusion]

MoD – I’ll be V/LA from 4pm EST today until Monday for my usual weekend family duties.

@MOD – Can we have a vote-count please

.

--

@InHim

– Meh, to each their own. Of course scum think of 3rd Parties as Town for purposes of mis-lynching. I still like the clarity that having them separately colored brings to my review of the wagons.

--

Empking is my number 1 suspect by far based on his Voting pattern. So looking at his (and Kondi’s if he actually posted) ISO yields the following observations –

Kondi RVS votes jmj (Gammagooey) in ISO 0.

Kondi posted the whole “I have a level 2 investigative box” line Day 1. I haven’t seen any confirmation that it was traded away.

@EMPKING – What happened to said box? Did you use it? If you traded it who did it go to?

Kondi votes ReaperCharlie in ISO 7 (post 372) for the reason “You need to die”. In context this is after CSL says the exact same thing in post 369 and right after I voted for RC for basically trolling the game. Possible weak hop on partner wagon? Perhaps.

Yet 6 hours later he immediately votes CSL in ISO 8 when CSL turned on the Jester Magic Touch he has. No mention of Reaper in the post and also mentions that Yami needs vigged.

Watch. We're all town, and our goal is only to lynch to Serial Killer, Seraphim.

This strikes me as odd in downplaying the possibility of Mafia when it was explicitly listed by said Mod in the rules. Not sure if Kondi scum would be so brashly wrong.
I’m leaning scummy for the follow post at ISO 16 –

Another thing easily found on the front page.

Chastizing Yami for missing out on basic Mod provide info but speculating about no Mafia? Hmmm …

The rest of his ISO after 16 is basically screwing with Yami in Twilight.

Empking’s ISO is typical for him (aka not surprising) – short responses and many votes with little to no support for why.

FOS: Sathoris - I think scum is going for an easy lynch wrt RC but ignoring their buddy.

This strikes me as suspect. He FOSes Sathoris with the ostensible reason that scum are pushing an easy lynch on Reaper but ignoring their buddies.

What’s suspect is that when he posted this Sathoris was voting InHim. So throwing an FOS on Sathoris makes no sense since he wasn’t doing the actions that Empking is claiming is scummy.

ISO 5 – Direct attack on DK for pushing ReaperCharlie. I find this suspect in that xvart was the absolute leading voice on the RC wagon Day 2 and nothing appears in Empking’s ISO about xvart.

The next stretch of his ISO is basically mild question tossing (with no followup or evident scum-hunting motivations) and some votes on Gamma and InHim.

I already have said I find Empking very scummy for his follow the Cop tactics revolving around Junox’s transparent ‘gambit’ regarding fake-claiming a Guilty result on Neruz.

His ISO really doesn’t have much meat to it when looking for scum-hunting.

--

I’ll be looking at the two other supects I have either today or when I get back from V/LA

[MagnaofIllusion]

Magna:
1. Kondi used it.
2. I was calling Sathoris the buddy that the scum were ignoring. (Due to his even worse PR.)

1. Explain to me why someone who is Town and openly claimed an Investigative Box Day 1 is still alive Day 5.
2. So Sathoris was scum for having a bad PR and was being ignored? Why haven't you mentioned him in any significant manner since then?

[MagnaofIllusion]

Because it hasnb't come to fruitation.

Um, whut?

1. Player A claims to have a useable box with an Investigative role.
2. Player A doesn’t get killed for 4 Nights while this information and possible Investigation powers are afoot.

Explain how that make any sense. Whatever it was you wrote above is meaningless.

Mainly because I was focused on other things until RC which obviously make the think worthless.

Why does Reaper getting himself modkilled and flipping scum make his Post Restriction any less a Mafia gambit possibility? Sath ‘opened’ his box at just the right time to present a suitably annoying Post Restriction to support that Reaper’s was ‘valid’. Exactly at the same time that he was under heavy pressure from xvart, his partner. I can certainly see that as a gambit to confirm one of either xvart or Reaper that blew up when xvart got lynched and Reaper derped himself out of the game.

[MagnaofIllusion]

That box hasn't produced any useful info. There are much more pressing things for the scum to night kill.

So your theory is that scum would have more pressing players to kill than a possible Investigative role that each Night carried a higher and higher chance they might through dumb luck or good play identify scum?

No. Scum don't kill the claimed Cop / Tracker Day 6 after he claimed a single guilty. They kill him before he even gets the chance to do so.

VOTE: Empking

[MagnaofIllusion]

@MOI: Wasn't Kondi supposed to have traded the box away? So how would that make kondi/emp a target for having the investigation box if it was supposed to have been traded away?

You are saying that scum absolutely took him at Kondi's word that he was trading it (when Empking has revealed he clearly didn't after the fact) and would pass him over Day after Day because he couldn't

POSSIBLY

be gambitting with the Trade talk?

I just want to be absolutely clear on your thinking.

[MagnaofIllusion]

You're saying that because in hindsight they're not true I shouldn't have followed them at the time? Do you realize how stupid and unrealistic that is?

This is why I'm thinking you are scum.

Because the second CLEARLY wasn't something you had to wait for hindsight to understand was fail. Processing the game at all should have told you that Junox hadn't targetted Neruz again.

Yet you hopped on that "investigation" claim like a boss.

Not that it is even any confirmed sort of investigation claim. All that is confirmed is that people have died every night it has been used when there wasn't a mass role-block on.

So it could simply but an alternate kill that Junox are trying to spin like an investigation.

Mull over that for a minute and then decide how "Town" your behavior looks.

[MagnaofIllusion]

Look, a scum post above.