Mystery Box Mafia - Game Over

[Primate]

[Primate]

Yamichan is a town wagon and people shouldn't be on it.

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She's conflating people attacking her behavior with attacking her. She wouldn't be doing this if she was scum because she would view people attacking her as on some level justified.

@Yami: I've seen plenty of newbs and you're acting like one and that's how I'm going to be reading you. If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck...

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She's conflating people attacking her behavior with attacking her.

She does that anyway regardless of being in a game or not. Null tell there.

You're missing the relevance of her now being in a game and, if she's scum, there being a legitimate reason to attack her (that she is scum).

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Unvote, vote Neruz

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Fos: Cooldog

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CSL's gimmicking.

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Blatant opportunism at it's finest. Explain yourself, now.

Nope.

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Poetic Justice,
I thought could be some kind of,
Vengeful power, Kay?

Haha. In your defence I would have thought a similar thing.

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Doesn't matter. Just don't forget she may have another ability as well. Haiku PR is null tell. Depends whether she uses it to dodge giving opinions.

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Why would LLD fake a PR? That doesn't make any sense. Both scum and townies have boxes. Having a PR doesn't say anything about your alignment. Faking a PR serves absolutely no purpose other than making a headache for yourself.

FoS: Everyone insinuating the PR might be fake

"My box did this thing" (Box did not do thing, now role is cult recruiter, doesn't have to claim when claim times comes up because role is seemingly self-evident.)

I have no issue w/Juls. I am a little stunned I have never heard of her before though with so many posts and being around for so long.

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Yes.

I think you're lying and I can't put my finger on why.

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I just figured out we can abuse the private trading mechanism as a way of privately distributing info. Could be useful.

@Hohum: Reread rules.

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You could also request a private trade with a player to find out whether they've used their box or not.

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Primate can tell us a thing or too about faking a post restriction.

Primate, do you believe both PR-claims?

When have I faked a PR? Do you mean that game I posted in images?

Both claims are plausible. re:LL I think you're dead right about it being a coincidence it landed on her and I'm taking that with a grain of salt. RC's I like less. It's too obvious, it's the kind of one she'd pick, and it's the kind of claim I'd hope a mod wouldn't pick because I think it's destructive for the game.

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When have I faked a PR? Do you mean that game I posted in images?

Both claims are plausible. re:LL I think you're dead right about it being a coincidence it landed on her and I'm taking that with a grain of salt. RC's I like less. It's too obvious, it's the kind of one she'd pick, and it's the kind of claim I'd hope a mod wouldn't pick because I think it's destructive for the game.

Yeah - Mini 698. You obviously disagree that was a post restriction..?

Lets lynch ReaperCharlie.

No, I just was wondering if you meant a different one. That games status as normal and the fact I kind of admitted it I thought made it a bit more obvious that it wasn't a serious attempt at a fake PR claiming.

unvote : vote ReaperCharlie

'K

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Be quiet, Magna.

Um, no.

I remember the last time we played together and you tried desperatedly to give the scum Godfather Espeonage a pass because his claim fit Mod Outguessing. So no, I'm not going to listen to crap like that again.

He's talking about LL getting PR. Not a random player.

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Does anyone know whether the boxes are randomised? I've been assuming not considering it's never been said they were, but it's the difference between their being a third party in the game or not.

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Thinking about it though, I'm dubious there are any third party win condition roles that aren't additional Win Conditions. If one of the mafia was given a cultbox and opened it, you'd have a guy who needs to defeat the mafia to win who knows who all the mafia are, and that'd be brutal.

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@Sathoris: Potency pls.

PS: javascript:(function () {elem = document.getElementById('message');elem.value = elem.value.replace(/[aeiou]/g, '');})()

^^ In browser bar on preview screen.

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PR's are clearly a thing now and in LL and RC's case, it'd be odd if they are lying considering they played it from the getgo.

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Cheers mod for confirming PR

Unvote

I love it when mods game hints in their threads.

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*post game hints

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Does anyone know whether the boxes are randomised? I've been assuming not considering it's never been said they were, but it's the difference between their being a third party in the game or not.

Random as opposed to what?

Sequential? Alphabetical order by ability? What could you POSSIBLY be getting at here?

Specified at game intro. These boxes go to townies, these ones to scum. It was a starting thought to what I cottoned on to just after, before I realized it didn't matter cause boxes could be traded.

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I thought he was lying about the restriction. So Both.

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I go to sleep, come back and what has happened what has happened to this beautiful thread.

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That's not normally how a jester works. Normally it's third party with no town/mafia affiliation. I still think it's bizarre to have third party box-granted roles in this game though, so hey!

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I'm also going to be attempting to nab me a box.

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RC = 2
LL = 2
Sath = 3
Mos = 3

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So's this one nearly :V

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Anyone Day 2 who claims having killed Yami overnight - I will sheep you the rest of the game.

This is a 100% serious offer. Call your operators today to learn how you too can take advantage of having MoI sheep you.

As first finder of loophole I claim MOI tomorrow.

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Thought: Town win condition means we definitely started off with a mafia.

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Actually, looking at the town win condition it is impossible for us to win with a jester about. We need to lynch him to win.

Mafia can stop him winning, but it's still dubious.

Still don't believe Jester claim (not that it matters now).

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Oh, duh, NK's. NM.

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^I hope at the end of this game the setup resembles something balanced.

I believe what the mod said, tbh. Games swingy, nothing too outrageous.

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VOTE: CoolDog

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MoS Lying is odd. Wonder if he was lying to try and make people think he'd opened his box.

@MOI: Don't follow that there is certainly scum on the wagon. There are some good players in blue there and I don't see any reason why the other two couldn't be town either.

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That's also entirely possible.

Not CCing Hoopla kill.

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@MOI: Don't follow that there is certainly scum on the wagon. There are some good players in blue there and I don't see any reason why the other two couldn't be town either.

Certainly it is possible that kondi and Hohum might be Town. And it’s certainly possible they might be scum. This is a Null argument you are making.

Fact – CSL was from scum’s perspective a mislynch. By the time it got very viable some people jumped off in hopes of getting more info out of the day. The last chunk of the wagon pretty much was people ignoring that.

Town doesn’t benefit when the day is rushed on a mislynch.

Thus I’d be willing to wager [INVISIBLE PRIZES] that at least one of the last five voters on CSL was scum. Luckily in that regard we already know the alignment of 3 of them.

You said that you believe it to be the case that one of the scum was late on the wagon. There are three good players there who evidently didn't believe what you are saying to be true. Why are you attributing a thought pattern to scum when, from what we've seen, the majority of the 5 you put in the late group thought it was a pro-town thing to do?

I'm not saying you're wrong and they are town, I just don't get how it follows that because there is a block of people involved in a thing that was not pro-town, some of them *must* be scum.

Also, what was your rationale for starting your group at LL instead of Deathnote?

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KK, Vig doesn't really fit with any of the kill methods, but I wouldn't be suprised if a vig killed n1 in a game with a d1 like we had.

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I've actually not really been reading the thread the past couple of days so I'm behind on all this, and if you want my thoughts on this I'll be posting at around 7pm GMT. I don't have anything particularly specific to say at the minute, I'm just updating you. I'll have an opinion then though.

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(I don't think he's talking about the player)

(That said, I was tempted to reply with "Makes a change to insults from Fate")

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Whoops, misread that, sorry, thought KK was responding with something similar to "tempting fate" about what I said and the L-1. Ignore me.

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Got to say, though, knowing he's scum does make forming an opinion him easier.

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Mostly I just wanted to respond to this, by the by.

Vote: Primate

I found that random note that you didn't CC quite odd.

I was responding to MOI asking whether anyone was counterclaiming the fact someone had said they killed Hoopla.

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Yeah, this way you didn’t have to make the tough choice whether to bus or not …

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TBH, I aint got a problem with it if he catches scum. gogo MOI

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Depends.

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Actually, let's be realistic here, guys arrogant, but he's unlikely scum. See whether the Xvart flip is something like SK (still a plus point if so).

So yeah, gonna recant that hohum and say unlikely.

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Unvote, Vote: Neruz

Unvote, Vote: Neruz

Primate tomorrow, kthx?

Nah.

[Primate]

That was a mistake. I would have strongly advised waiting until after he claimed in order to do it yourself. Now he has outs.

[Primate]

*That was a mistake. I would have strongly advised waiting until after he claimed before you did it yourself. Now he has outs.

Also, I have a relevant question to ask, but I'll do it after Neruz claims.

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Actually, that was kneejerk, ignore me, it's fine, I don't have anything to ask.

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Lets not guide the vig, guys.

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If scum have a doc/rb/some other way of preventing kill and he's town we waste tomorrows lynch. Junox should target whoever he wants.

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If we're allowed to make requests, then, can I make one that says that you don't let Rikana off with just a "whoops" when it turns out I'm town. He's not given any reason for his supicions, flip side of a town allowing you to do that is that you have to be right.

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Unvote

Fair enough.

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vote: DeathNote

Neither your night action nor your posts today have been pro-town, and I'll explain why.
1) Your night action kept all town abilities from happening, but didn't stop the scum kill. Also, how come the SK's kill didn't go through?
2) You took the pressure off of Neruz before he could respond. Now we don't get a reaction from him that could have told us whether he is scum regardless of whether the guilty is actually true.

SKs a box.

(As an aside, this means KK or CSL could have been scum and their buddies unaware of their real role. No real reason to think so, but it's worth not forgetting.)

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(As an aside, this means KK or CSL could have been scum and their buddies unaware of their real role. No real reason to think so, but it's worth not forgetting.)

Um KK was the scum NK last night. Even suggesting that he was somehow scum that got his alignment changed via box (yet his partners didn't know this) is so bad .....

I have to review Primate.

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Yep, that's fair enough. I had the idea in my head yesterday based on CSL and didn't think. You're quite right.

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I still don't believe the guy was honestly claiming masons with a scumbuddy because he didn't know the guy wasn't lynched. Maybe I'm naive.

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Night 1
Neruz took a box from the shelf
Lady Lambdadelta took a box from the shelf
Primate took a box from the shelf
hohum took a box from the shelf
YamiChan takes a box from the shelf.

Nope. I sent in a PM asking for one but never actually recieved a PM saying I'd got one.