Mini 168 - Item Mafia Game Over

[armlx]

I think it may be a role abilty. See post 11.

I would like to buy Magnifying Glass.

[armlx]

Item claims may help the mafia too. If there is a vig kill item or RB item the Mafia can uses them just like we do. However, since these items seem self evident (dunno, Crola said this game would be insane though) it really wouldn't matter too much.

Hmm... With a 5 coin allowance this game might just become Town lynching.... I think there is a doc item.

[armlx]

Ok, I am going to claim to break this game in favor of the town.

Does everyone agree with this before I do it?

Also, I think the Sycko thing is wierd, plus he went after Iammars for no real reason (unless Iammars is a good player, I dunno).

But if Iammars is a good player he should know better. I'll withold my vote for now.

[armlx]

Item. I recieved an item that, if revealed, would break the game in favor of the town.

[armlx]

i think 7 to lynch with 12 players.

[armlx]

Warpdragon voted for Sycko for good reason. He was going after the person that prompted the first bandwagon on an almost confirmed innocent (cuz being a jerk by correcting grammar = mod kill IMO). I was going to vote for Sycko too, but tend to withold my vote until theres something to actually vote on.

So 1 person is for the cgame breaking claim? Just 1?

[armlx]

Yes.

I know what the doc item is. Its one use, but costs less than your allowance.

The only problem is if it has a limited supply, but in all reality it could buy us a free night.

[armlx]

Mag Glass is a stupid item and a waste of $ IMO.

Hmm... I'ld like to sell my magnifying glass. I'll probably buy something later, but 1 coin for knowledge of an item's effects seems good to me.

[armlx]

Hmm. Funky. Lets see.

Sycko- Pretty clear

Me- What do you think?

Iammars- Pretty Clear

Warp- Dunno.. not probable but still suspicious

Coolbot- Maybe this is just how he plays, but I think he is acting overly aggresive.

Saphire- See Coolbot, second to last vote is really, really bad. Plus it looks like he is trying to shift attention.

I'll wait and see what turns up.

[armlx]

Coolbot, from what I've seen you are an aggresive player, so yourr vote doesn't bother me.

To stir things up

Vote SaphireVerde

as he is our best lead now IMHO.

Note: I will be away from next Wednesday until April 1st. Spring break is gonna be great. If the mod wished to replace me due to this, you can, but I think I would only miss a game day of play at this rate.

[armlx]

Also, no lynch provides us no information at all. The only time for a no lynch vote is in the 2 Townies- SK- Mafia situation where the townies hope the baddies kill each other (Prisoner's Dilema)

[armlx]

Other then play errors.

Verde jumped on a wagon late, but so did the other guy (can't remember name now). The other guy has gotten off somehow, but Verde seems iffy.

[armlx]

Derf, wrong S-Verde

Unvote

Vote StrykkerVerde

[armlx]

Iammars: Or the other way around. Sexist



Assassin and Sycko999: I guess I agree.

Unvote

Vote Meaning of Life

[armlx]

Just got back.

Warpdragons post on the candle really makes me think Sycko = Scum.

It also makes me think Krishna is too after that.

It also makes me think Iammars, Warp, and me are pretty confirmed townies (not entirely Iammars, btw did you quote and stuff today? I skim read). I came out with the doc item, and Warp revealed the candle thing, both with obvious pro-town results (reveal bad item, no night kill)

We lynch Sycko today (or Krishna, don't care), then lynch the other if they are guilty or Iammars if they are innocent.

[armlx]

This is where your logic fails. If he was scum he wouldn't elaborate as more info = more likely to be caught. The change also would be a bit scummy too.

[armlx]

Wow. We are doing terrible this game. 2 for 2 town lynches. At least we stopped N1 kill. Go uber Med Packs!

With that, I will random

Vote kleimars

This is less random and more of I have yet to see what he has done this game. Smack for flying under the radar. He's also most likely not a power role as the items seem to be the roles now.

Of course this logic could apply to others, but his name was the first on the page that I thought about. If I am being stupid and don't remember something important, someone please let me know and the vote will go to the next person up (I believe stryyker).

[armlx]

Hmm. I'm going shopping.

Buy Med Pack thing

Buy quill

[armlx]

Meh, its a random vote towards a scummy person. There obviously were more doing the same thing, but you were the last one to post.

Not random: Scummy actions

Random: Cuz you were the first one I saw.

Obviously you are with Coolbot on this one. You can't be with me on this one because you would vote for yourself.

[armlx]

Wow. I confused like 5 people.

My vote has a basis, but about 4 people were in consideration for it. (Krishna, CoolBot, kleimar, Stryker). SO I rolled a d4 and kleimar's number came up. I'm sticking with kleimar, but the list in order of suspicion is

kleimar (ammo thing)
coolbot (general thing)

Styrker has been cleared in my mind after my first post by rereading the thread. Krishna is semi suspicious, but those two are much more so.

[armlx]

No. It does not. You could easily Black Market the Ammo afterwards.

Coolbot is also being stupid more so. I am starting to think at least one of kleimars or 'bot is Mafia, if not both.

[armlx]

Just reread the entire thread and have come to several conclusions.

1. The following people are most likely town: Me, Warpy, and LordK.
I can't be proved by anything but my word and the Med pack, but both LK and Warpy have been major targets from scummy people (see below). The worst we have done is me and Warpy on the MoL wagon #3 and #4 and LK with the refusing to vote Sycko.

2. Not sure about the following people: Saph, Assassin (post more!), kleimars. Kleimars posts a lot but says little, Assassin doesn't really post, and Saph is playing townish but has some iffy decisions here and there.

3. LIKELY SCUM: Coolbot, Stryyker, Locus. All three wagon together too often, go for kleimars & warpy. They also tend to sway on weak wagons and want to lynch people everyone else has found innocent in their minds, notable kleimar day 2.

Coolbot doesn't want to attack gunners, but attacks kleimars. He also doesn't want to answer Iammars simply Q's.

Stryykers big thing was early with MoL. He jumps after an opponent to the wagon come out, but jumps on after it is clear MoL is going down. Also see his posts #128 and #139. They contradict. Also early on he got realy defensive after Iammars talked about his "paper on why Stry-V is scum". He said something like "Bring it on".

Locus is the weakest case of the 3. Besides the kleimars thing, a Hammer thing, post 133, and swapping to Sycko really, really late he hasn't done much.

I am sure at least 1 of these 3, if not 2 or 3, is/are scum. As Bot has the biggest case against him, I will

Unvote

Vote Coolbot

Buy some Shoes

Sorry kleimars for earlier, but as I said your name was the first one up.

[armlx]

I have 2 1/2 pages of note on the thread. You, Stryyker, and Locus were quite adamant about the ammo thing at first until people turned on sycko for buying a gun.

Lotus: Due to some things kleimars has said I am lead to believe is some what more innocent than you are.

[armlx]

Coolbot: I have 2 1/2 pages of note on the thread. You, Stryyker, and Locus were quite adamant about the ammo thing at first until people turned on sycko for buying a gun.

Lotus: Due to some things kleimars has said I am lead to believe is some what more innocent than you are.

[armlx]

Whatever. Good thing I take notes. Everything suspicious Coolbot has done is in post 244 by Lord Krishna. Read it. I don't think I need a better explaination (unless I read it wrong, which is possible).

[armlx]

My notes have arrived. Numbers with no refference refer to post #.

Watch Lotus for wagoning on Warp fast. Hammer comment(inadvertantly claiming Hammer? = Mafia?). Idiot after wagon over. 133?Goes to Sycko 2 before lynch.

Coolbot Band Wagons on Warpy.

Random Vote

(*GASP*) ARMLX, despite showing the doc item. 136. Doesn't want to answer easy Q's. Attacks krishna for attacking gunners. Doesn't like attacking gunners

Watch Assassin. Doesn't post much.

Warp Dragon clearedish IMO.

Think Krishna is town. Post 204 is good resource. Same with 239 & 240. 244 vs. C-Bot.

Stryyker wagoned Warpy too. Iammars suspicious, then Saph chimes in. Say "Bring it on Iammars" to "paper". Sways after wagon on MoL gets an opponent, revotes after it gains more steam. 128 and 139 contradict. 174 seems townish.

Sapphire: Post 58 (6th vote, "not mean"), 65? Shift attention. No lynch, plays as friendly noob but I can see something. Knows kleimar can afford ammo (phrasing)? Switches to Sycko after wagon steams

Me and Warpy stupid vote for MoL. Durf to us.

LOCUS, COOLBOT, STRYYKER, & SAPHIRE ON WARP WAGON! SEE POST 71 & 73.

Kleimars say little and uses a lot of words. Tries to slip in buying ammo in post. Says he doesn't know what ammo does. Knows what gun does (prolly from ammo). Supports guns before Syck lynch. No fixing next days lynch. Reloading gun after claiming to "sell ammo". HAS LOADED GUN.

LOTUS, BOT, and SAPH keep Kleim wagon going.


There they are. Some stuff may be cut up. I say we get kleimars to shoot Stryyker or Locus tonight if we lynch 'Bot.

[armlx]

Ha.

Ha.

Ha.

Ha.

OK, lets watch this play out.

Bot = Mafia

Lynch Krishna today, they kill someone tonight.

3/7 = must lynch.

Lynch Bot today, they kill tonight.

2/7= 1 "Spare" lynch

No thanks, I'll take my chances with the more suspicious of the two.

[armlx]

You know, there always could be a cop item? Ever think of that?

Can anyone confirm they have a night action in their ability? That would solve this whole mess.

Also, @ Coolbot, what kind of item could be better than an investigation? Not what it is, just what it did cuz not even a Med Pack IMO is better than a cop investigation.

[armlx]

Ok, Assassin, heres why there are most likely only 3 mafia and 1 killing group. We only have had 1 night kill so far, meaning a lot of correct guessing docs. Even with Med Pack, there have only been 3-4 docs a night, so even assuming there are 4 docs who didn't protect mafia that is a 1 in 8 chance of there being two killing groups. If there are 2 killing groups the chances of a doc protecting a mafia are 1/3. For each mafia member protected, the chances decrease. Also, you have to consider mafia crossfire. All in all, I am suspicious of you for saying that. All the odds point to 1 killing group, unless you know something we don't.

Also, when did Iammars say you had a role? Can I get a post or page number?

[armlx]

Hmm, I don't know what a cultist is and its not in the Wiki. Can you explain it?

[armlx]

Bah. If kleimar lives tonight and is mafia and he hits and mafia hits, town loses. Chances are low, but still. Meh, screw it. I don't trust 'Bot at all. Or Locus. Bah, whatever. It's safer to kill a accused mafia with an extra kill. If he turns out good, we kill Locus tommorow. We should hopefully prevent the kill tonight with med packs, and no one else wants to lynch Bot so

Unvote

Vote kleimars

We will see what happens tonight before anything else.

[armlx]

Very well. No one will lynch kleims or 'Bot. Though if LK is good you guys are next to be lynched. Towns basically screwed right now if 'Bot and kleims are mafia, but whatever.

Unvote

Vote LordKrishna

@ Kleimars: Does a gun + ammo take up 1 or 2 item slots? I have a crap load of $ and I think town needs a vig around now.

[armlx]

Hmm. Oops on kleims part. Meh, looks really strange to me.

[armlx]

I think we should reveal who it is that was investigated. The cop and backup are already out, so knowing who is a townie will help us by lowering the suspects.

[armlx]

Actually, I'm going back to suspecting Warpy. He said he had a candle, yet no night kills have been deflected to him. Possibly candle can't reflect kills to mafia, but I don't want to buy one to find out. Seems flavorful for the candle not to be able to redirect your own kills. And back to the poet thing again from D1 (now that Coolbot is practically cleared along with people with him)...

Vote Warpdragon

Also, since I can't get a 1st aid kit, I am going to Buy a Knife.

[armlx]

Well, the kill could have redirected to you then been prevented. I was under the assumption that that was what would happen (and the candle was long lasting) when I protected you last night. Wasted First Aid Kit.

That changes everything, unless someone wants to buy the candle and can confirm it is long lasting (note to self: should have done that instead of knife, but I can always sell).

Should I role claim? Personally a mass role claim should help the town unless we have some crazy power roles out there other then cop (unlikely with 1st aid kits IMO, but still). At the very least, we should find out who the other mason was (Stryyker or Locus IMO). Its obv. not me, Bot, Warpy, or kleimars, as you all have roles other then mason and I know I'm not a mason. IMO these people are clearedish (due to info and stuff), leaving Assassin, LC, and Stryyker.

Kleimar: Claimed cop didnt get scum before it was revealed, so unless this is a some crazy scum plot between him and Bot hes clear.

Bot: Cop.

Warp: Just seems good. Least cleared person of these IMO, but still.

Me: I know I'm town. As for stuff you guys might see, I started with a 1st aid kit, told everyone about them. I was wrong about Bot though. My bad .

Of the three not posting, I think LC said something about his role but I don't remember. Stryyker seemed to be more in tune with Saphirres opinions, but this could just be the IRL connection. Assassin hasn't really posted and is lying low (lurker!), so I will

Unvote Warpy

Vote Assassin

[armlx]

Ok. I'm for killing Locus now over Assassin or myself. If he is scum I think everything is under control, if hes not I'm confused.

Unvote

Vote Locus

[armlx]

My vote is on Locus now, but mainly to clear me so we don't waste a lynch. Theres another reason I won't say just yet, but lets just say I can have this whole thing under control. We lynch Locus then vig Assassin tonight (kleimars has a gun, right?). Unless we have totally missed we will end up in a 3 on 1, and even if we miss I say there is a decent chance of it being 3 to 2.

I think a role claim from me will help in the long run, so next post I make I will claim with role name and stuff unless people object.

Also, @ kleims, if Assassin, Stryyker, me, or Locus was the person you found innocent say so now so we have a confirmed scum.

[armlx]

My vote is on Locus now, but mainly to clear me so we don't waste a lynch. Theres another reason I won't say just yet, but lets just say I can have this whole thing under control. We lynch Locus then vig Assassin tonight (kleimars has a gun, right?). Unless we have totally missed we will end up in a 3 on 1, and even if we miss I say there is a decent chance of it being 3 to 2.

I think a role claim from me will help in the long run, so next post I make I will claim with role name and stuff unless people object.

Also, @ kleims, if Assassin, Stryyker, me, or Locus was the person you found innocent say so now so we have a confirmed scum.

[armlx]

Assassin is guilty, but the lynch on Locus is better. He claimed Hammer made kills unstoppable early on. Lynch all liers.

Basically.....

TOWN WINS!

And ways, we lynch Locus. Trust me on this. It doesnt matter if I'm wrong, but if I'm right it makes a world of difference.

[armlx]

I'll do it. I have $, so

Buy Hammer

[armlx]

*Cough* Locus has 4 votes *cough*

[armlx]

Ok. Kleimars isn't cleared IMO even though he pre-emptively called the investigations. Not sure though.

Assassin is scum. Obviously. Counterclaimed on mason, voted for and didn't get jumped on by mafia.

Locus: Not sure.

So basically Me and Strykker are cleared. That leaves the town in a situation where there is a

Townie with item block
Townie with 2 doc prevents
? with vig kill
Mafia that needs 2 lynches to kill (trust me here)
? that can block items (i think)

@ Kleimars: You bought ammo, then refused to sell it. You have a gun. Obviously. You said you loaded the gun.


NO ONE VOTE ANY MORE. EVERYONE ALREADY VOTING UNVOTE. Trust me here. I will clear up everthing with my extra $.

[armlx]

Pseudo-edit

Hammer is 1 time. No one has item blocks that I know of.

I will also

Buy a Mirror

If the mirror is what I think it is, I'm not sure what will happen tonight. Wait for me to get my mirror before acting on anything.

[armlx]

You said you loaded it into your gun. That you couldn't seel it. I read the thread.

After Seeing what the mirror does, I believe it is safe to go

Vote Kleimars

[armlx]

BTW, can someone buy a knife today and use it to try and stop the kill tonight. That would be very helpful.

[armlx]

Save it until Crola comes back on.

[armlx]

He has the Shoes.... whatever.

First

Buy Knife

Second

Vote Assassin

I think we may just win this one if we are lucky here, even if they are both scum.

[armlx]

He has the Shoes.... whatever.

First

Buy Knife

Second

Vote Assassin

I think we may just win this one if we are lucky here, even if they are both scum.

[armlx]

Due to a coin miscalculation, I have to double post.

Buy Gun

Buy Ammo

[armlx]

If there is a follow up game, can I get auto in?