Goofbash Invitational (Game Over)

SensFan · Post Post #11 (isolation #0) » Fri Jul 08, 2011 12:17 pm

Sorry guys. As weird as this sounds, I'm actually not Scum this game. Lucky for you, I already caught one, though.

Vote: Mina/Katsuki

. Non-random vote.

SensFan · Post Post #14 (isolation #1) » Fri Jul 08, 2011 2:10 pm

Nikanor, is there a reason you've decided to completely ignore a serious post, and instead continue with 'RVS'?

SensFan · Post Post #31 (isolation #2) » Fri Jul 08, 2011 2:57 pm

Mina wrote:VOTE: DrippingGoofball

Hey, everyone! I have an announcement to make!

Katsuki and I are not scum.

So now that I'm confirmed town, I don't suppose you'll all let me coast until endgame? No?

(That said, I love how I've never played with Ether before, but I still know enough about her meta to say that she's town by virtue of being the one posting instead of chamber.)

SensFan wrote:Sorry guys. As weird as this sounds, I'm actually not Scum this game. Lucky for you, I already caught one, though.

Vote: Mina/Katsuki
. Non-random vote.

*twitch*

*twitch* *twitch* *twitch*

*twitch*

Really, SensFan.
You've
caught scum.
Yourself
. Also, what do you mean by "as weird as it sounds"? Are you saying you thought the wagon on you was serious? Is there a reason you'd be more likely to draw scum this game?

That said, CES, the lack of guilty on dram is a null tell.

Please, Mina. Do you remember the last time you overreacted to a misunderstanding of something I said in this game? Let me refresh your memory, it ended with you saying something to the effect of "Nevermind, then. That's actually perfectly reasonable.'

SensFan · Post Post #41 (isolation #3) » Fri Jul 08, 2011 4:16 pm

Mina wrote:
SensFan wrote:Please, Mina. Do you remember the last time you overreacted to a misunderstanding of something I said in this game? Let me refresh your memory, it ended with you saying something to the effect of "Nevermind, then. That's actually perfectly reasonable.'

Maybe this time it ISN'T reasonable. Humour me.

Sure.
Number 1: I didn't actually catch you myself. But we both know who did.
Number 2: Were you not at Goofbash at all? I was Scum in just about every damn game.
Number 3: We also both know that CES isn't our third Neighbour buddy. And I swear to Bahamut, you better not answer this post by spitting out the name. There's a reason I'm the one calling you out.

SensFan · Post Post #45 (isolation #4) » Fri Jul 08, 2011 7:29 pm

Nikanor wrote:
Mina wrote:But obviously I was asking CES on the off-chance that you were in a neighbourhood with him as well. Because in that case, your stupid "Mina is 100% confirmed scum because there absolutely HAS to be one scum in our neighbourhood" logic would be an obvious lie.

Is that the logic he discussed with your third neighbor pre-game?
Who is the third head of your neighborhood?

That's the logic that Neighbour #3 brought up, and the two of us agreed that for that reason and others, Mina/Katsuki is Scum.
And no, the third head shall not under any circumstances be revealed today. Mina, keep it quiet. Under the small chance that we're wrong about you, I'd really rather not risk the safety of Numero Trois.

P.Edit: Pre-game conversations.

SensFan · Post Post #48 (isolation #5) » Fri Jul 08, 2011 8:16 pm

Ether wrote:You guys...realize that this is all split role/alignment, right?

Not from how the clarification PM I sent Patrick was answered.

SensFan · Post Post #50 (isolation #6) » Fri Jul 08, 2011 8:20 pm

Nikanor wrote:Don't really think that Sens is scum any more though, since he is one of the people I'd expect to start with that assumption as town (sorry Sens >_>').

For the record, I didn't start with that assumption. I told Mina/Katsuki that they were the D1 lynch, and that it sucked to be them. Mina and I exchanged words, and then #3 showed up. She called Mina Scum for her interactions with me, and because I was obvtown and there had to be Scum in the group. I agreed with the assessment, and Mina got pissed and tried to call me out based on the particular way I phrased some of my early posts; just like she did in the thread afterwards.

SensFan · Post Post #117 (isolation #7) » Sun Jul 10, 2011 3:00 am

chamber wrote:Actually scratch that, it will just detract more from the thread, Fate is clearly still full of it.

Yeah, about that. Fate's the one telling the truth about what happened in the QT, not Mina.

SensFan · Post Post #119 (isolation #8) » Sun Jul 10, 2011 3:07 am

Unclear. I don't know how much I can say without going into detail, but my PM is much more shades-of-grey than either of what Mina/Fate are claiming with regards to the presence of Scum.

SensFan · Post Post #120 (isolation #9) » Sun Jul 10, 2011 3:08 am

Also, Mina is being completely full of it when she says that I'm sheeping Fate onto her wagon, since the

VERY FIRST POST OF THE QT

is me saying that Fate and I should lynch Mina/Katsuki.

SensFan · Post Post #126 (isolation #10) » Sun Jul 10, 2011 4:01 am

Cogito Ergo Sum wrote:Did you catch her during pre-pre-game neighbor chat?

I started off by being (somewhat) lighthearted in saying that Mina/Katsuki will be lynched D1, since Mina is often a target of Scum mislynches while Katsuki is just the standard D1 lynch for Town.
Mina and I argued about it for a few posts, then Fate shows up. Says I'm obvTown, Mina is Scum, and that this game is broken. He asks me if we should lynch Mina D1, or keep her around for protection because Scum can't kill their neighbours without exposing themselves.
I reply that if we're going with that plan, then we have to lynch Mina D1, since there's lots of people in this game who wouldn't assume that 2 NK'd Town Neighbours means 1 living Scum Neighbour.
Then Mina goes ballistic on me for agreeing to Fate's plan, while completely being fine with Fate suggesting it.

SensFan · Post Post #184 (isolation #11) » Mon Jul 11, 2011 2:59 am

chamber wrote:Yeaaaah.... what exactly haven't we commented on? I've been happy with our contribution. You singling us out here looks like a bad attempt to deflect attention.

You pointed out that Fate had lost all credibility while he was arguing with Mina, but I don't remember you revising your stance on the whole Fate/Mina thing after I specifically replied to your post saying that Fate's version was correct.

SensFan · Post Post #187 (isolation #12) » Mon Jul 11, 2011 3:39 am

chamber wrote:
SensFan wrote:
chamber wrote:Yeaaaah.... what exactly haven't we commented on? I've been happy with our contribution. You singling us out here looks like a bad attempt to deflect attention.

You pointed out that Fate had lost all credibility while he was arguing with Mina, but I don't remember you revising your stance on the whole Fate/Mina thing after I specifically replied to your post saying that Fate's version was correct.

Ether wrote:Mina even more obvious town,
Fate even more obvious idiot
, TBM still scum.

We speak for each other i.e. I still think Fate is full of it. You haven't actually confirmed what he's using as damning evidence (the role pm difference) and based on what he's said I'm to assume your pm had something to the effect of 'any scum in the neighbourhood got a copy of the town pm' which would make the entire thing completely ridiculous.

Yes, we

were

told that Scum will get a copy of the Town Neighbour PM. But that doesn't change the fact that Mina is misrepresenting what happened in the QT. Admittedly, I don't see what incentive she has to do that as Scum, but there you have it.

Also, I had forgotten that you and Ether were Hydraing. That makes sense.

SensFan · Post Post #190 (isolation #13) » Mon Jul 11, 2011 5:40 am

chamber wrote:Presumably you had a reason to attack Mina before she misreped the QT, if not the role PM difference what exactly is the reason you were voting her at the start of the day?

I really didn't like her reactions in the QT.

SensFan · Post Post #201 (isolation #14) » Mon Jul 11, 2011 10:16 am

Nikanor wrote:
DGB wrote:I'm tempted to vote Mina/Katsuki since they're keeping a low profile while under pressure...
But Fate is scum pushing a townie wagon.

Unvote. Vote: TheButtonmen.

Can you actually give reasons for that?

SensFan · Post Post #203 (isolation #15) » Mon Jul 11, 2011 11:17 am

Nikanor wrote:For Fate being scum? I've given reasons, but since it's fairly :meta: I'm the only one who will get them.
For TBM being scum? It's because of his exchange with chamber.

I meant Fate. Fair enough, but you're wrong.

SensFan · Post Post #214 (isolation #16) » Mon Jul 11, 2011 12:12 pm

Nikanor wrote:Can you people please read my bloody posts?
I explained why Fate is scum here. Fun fact: the post right after the one I linked lets me call Fate scum without using meta.

Both of the 'points' you raised are complete bullcrap. I also don't see a problem with Fate's post after yours.

SensFan · Post Post #233 (isolation #17) » Mon Jul 11, 2011 12:54 pm

Nikanor wrote:
SensFan wrote:
Nikanor wrote:Can you people please read my bloody posts?
I explained why Fate is scum here. Fun fact: the post right after the one I linked lets me call Fate scum without using meta.

Both of the 'points' you raised are complete bullcrap. I also don't see a problem with Fate's post after yours.

I have already said that I don't expect you to understand. Please keep your mouth shut until I ask for your opinion.
I wouldn't hold my breath if I were you.

It's very much my business when you start throwing around shit like "Fate doesn't think defending people in a scumtell, so clearly he can't possibly think Faraday is scummy for defending Mina". It's complete garbage.

SensFan · Post Post #238 (isolation #18) » Mon Jul 11, 2011 1:04 pm

VitaminR wrote:
tanstalas wrote:VitaminR - Do you still think Fate is obv-town? Or has your read of him changed since you called him such?

Truth be told, I am almost posted a one-liner saying to scratch my Fate town read. On my initial read, I thought Fate had misunderstood his role PM (the thing about there being scum in his neighbourhood). And that made me think obv town. It's now become clear that Fate just lied about that, which makes it more of a null tell.

It's plausible me misunderstood it. The possibility is raised about the possibility of there being Scum without saying it's guaranteed/likely/unlikely/etc.

SensFan · Post Post #241 (isolation #19) » Mon Jul 11, 2011 1:11 pm

SensFan wrote:
VitaminR wrote:
tanstalas wrote:VitaminR - Do you still think Fate is obv-town? Or has your read of him changed since you called him such?

Truth be told, I am almost posted a one-liner saying to scratch my Fate town read. On my initial read, I thought Fate had misunderstood his role PM (the thing about there being scum in his neighbourhood). And that made me think obv town. It's now become clear that Fate just lied about that, which makes it more of a null tell.

It's plausible
me
he misunderstood it. The possibility is raised about the possibility of there being Scum without saying it's guaranteed/likely/unlikely/etc.

SensFan · Post Post #276 (isolation #20) » Mon Jul 11, 2011 4:26 pm

Meh. I'll come back in the morning and deal with this, if I feel like it then. I'm still unsure about what Mina's going batshit over, other than the fact that she got busted in the QT pregame.

SensFan · Post Post #500 (isolation #21) » Wed Jul 13, 2011 1:16 pm

Holy lots of pages. I'll catch up tonight and see who Fate wants me to vote next.

SensFan · Post Post #502 (isolation #22) » Wed Jul 13, 2011 1:23 pm

Cool.

Unvote, Vote: TBM

SensFan · Post Post #507 (isolation #23) » Wed Jul 13, 2011 2:44 pm

Reck's Town. Sorry Fate.

SensFan · Post Post #510 (isolation #24) » Wed Jul 13, 2011 2:50 pm

Sorry. I assumed when I asked you who to vote for that "don't pick the dude that's obvtown" was implied. I didn't realized you sucked that bad at reading Reck. I won't make that mistake again.

SensFan · Post Post #517 (isolation #25) » Wed Jul 13, 2011 5:54 pm

Fate wrote:K I read the last four pages.

Faraday/Reck are obvtown. That's FOUR masons that are able to read me well.

We're STILL not going to wagon TBM, kthx, he's town as all hell.

The scum are people that are unlikely to give me obvscum vibes D1, that's why all my wagons have been dead-ends and on townies.

Those scum are contained in:
Nikanor
Dram
CES
Minineko
VitaminR

IN THAT ORDER.

Unvote:
VOTE: NIKANOR

Fate, are you actually Scum here? Your stance on Reck makes no sense whatsoever. First you were badgering everyone for ages about how obvious Scum they are, and now you expect me to believe that all of a sudden you changed your mind?

SensFan · Post Post #522 (isolation #26) » Wed Jul 13, 2011 5:57 pm

Leader my ass. You've been talking out of your ass all game long, and running around in circles with your reads. I tried making sense of it all, and nothing fit into place until I realized that you could be Scum, and all of a sudden it all works out.

SensFan · Post Post #523 (isolation #27) » Wed Jul 13, 2011 5:57 pm

TheButtonmen wrote:
SensFan wrote:Fate, are you actually Scum here? Your stance on Reck makes no sense whatsoever. First you were badgering everyone for ages about how obvious Scum they are, and now you expect me to believe that all of a sudden you changed your mind?

Have you caught up in your re-read yet, the last segment made their aligment pretty clear.

Yes, I'm caught up.

SensFan · Post Post #526 (isolation #28) » Wed Jul 13, 2011 6:03 pm

This would all be so much more intimidating if it weren't for the fact I've met you in person and seen your less-than-imposing stature and personality.
So stop trying to tell me what to do, Taoist-boy, because I'm done with following you. You're Scum, you're pulling reads out of your ass to try and fit to your Town meta, and you're probably pulling a very nice distance with your buddy Reck. And now that the fireworks are done, you're going to move on to your actual mislynch target? Not on my watch.

SensFan · Post Post #529 (isolation #29) » Wed Jul 13, 2011 6:11 pm

Me? I'm not the one blatantly defending my buddy here. You led a wagon on Faraday, and then Reck when he replaced in. You went back and forth with him for pages in order to set up a brilliant fucking Vengeful fakeclaim so that now everyone in this game is too fucking scared to lynch his Scum ass. Since when do we avoid lynching Vengeful Townies? It gives us 2 lynches for the price of 1 if we're wrong; we get to lynch him and then we pick the guy he kills if he actually flips Town. You should know this. You should be all over his scummy as fuck fakeclaim, but you're not. As soon as more people than this afternoon showed up, you backed the fuck off, pretended to have read the last 4 pages and got a magical Town read? Not buying it.
We lynch Reck today, since if somehow he's still Town, at least he gets to fry your Scum ass on the way down. Got it?

Unvote; Vote: Reck

SensFan · Post Post #531 (isolation #30) » Wed Jul 13, 2011 6:13 pm

Blackberry wrote:Fate, right before a lynch is about to occur/right before the day ends, can you suggest vig targets, doc targets, and tracker/cop targets.

We're not listening to him if he does. It's a minor side-effect of him being Scum.

SensFan · Post Post #533 (isolation #31) » Wed Jul 13, 2011 6:15 pm

Nikanor wrote:Hey Sens

Unvote. Vote: Fate.

If I'm going to be a wagon I'll choose my best scumread as a counter-wagon.

P-Edit: berry, Fate is scum. Sorry, but he's going to give you nothing but bad advice.

The play isn't Fate. It's Reck. Reck has a Venge-kill; it lets us hedge our bets.

SensFan · Post Post #535 (isolation #32) » Wed Jul 13, 2011 6:18 pm

Nikanor wrote:You don't purposefully lynch townies in vengeful, do you?
I know that Fate is scum. I'm not going to lynch someone else.

This isn't Vengeful, is it? Note the presence of a scum nightkill and the fact that not all mislynches have do-overs attached.

SensFan · Post Post #543 (isolation #33) » Thu Jul 14, 2011 2:08 am

xRECKONERx wrote:Am I retarded or did Sensfan just go "Reck/Faraday are town let's lynch them"?

You're retarded. I said you're Scum with Fate, but let's lynch you first since you have a do-over clause.

SensFan · Post Post #546 (isolation #34) » Thu Jul 14, 2011 2:40 am

xRECKONERx wrote:
SensFan wrote:Reck's Town. Sorry Fate.

SensFan wrote:Sorry. I assumed when I asked you who to vote for that "don't pick the dude that's obvtown" was implied. I didn't realized you sucked that bad at reading Reck. I won't make that mistake again.

what has changed so drastically in A PAGE

I went from looking at the game through a FateTown lens to looking at it through a CouldFateBeScum lens.

SensFan · Post Post #634 (isolation #35) » Sat Jul 16, 2011 3:37 am

Come on Fate. If you go back to bussing Reck now, I'll let you get some town cred for helping the wagon get there. Deal?

SensFan · Post Post #637 (isolation #36) » Sat Jul 16, 2011 3:45 am

Gogo DGB.

SensFan · Post Post #642 (isolation #37) » Sat Jul 16, 2011 3:52 am

Damnit, DGB. Don't let Fate stop you from lynching his buddy.

SensFan · Post Post #684 (isolation #38) » Sun Jul 17, 2011 4:16 am

I can get behind this, I guess.

Unvote, Vote: Fate

SensFan · Post Post #686 (isolation #39) » Sun Jul 17, 2011 4:21 am

Him being Scum.

SensFan · Post Post #700 (isolation #40) » Sun Jul 17, 2011 9:35 am

xRECKONERx wrote:
Vote: SensFan

He hopped on the Mina/Katsuki wagon and sat there until the wagon COMPLETELY died off and he was the last person left, then hopped to the next most convenient wagon, me/Faraday. He then did the same thing, sitting on our wagon until he was the last person left and everyone else had died off, then quickly speedwagoned Fate with everybody else. The whole "Irish Carbomb feels town" to "Irish Carbomb is scum with Fate" conversion just reeks.

Yeah, SensFan is scum. Join us.

That's awesome, except for the part where I was clear that I thought you were Scum with Fate. So I didn't just jump from one wagon to another, I jumped from the wagon of someone I thought was Scum to a bigger wagon of someone else I thought was Scum.

SensFan · Post Post #717 (isolation #41) » Sun Jul 17, 2011 3:07 pm

Cogito Ergo Sum wrote:
VitaminR wrote:
Cogito Ergo Sum wrote:Forgetting things it totally a town tell for me.

Really? Should find it comforting that you don't seem able to recall why you're voting Nikanor instead of TBM and that that doesn't seem to spur you to re-evaluate where your vote should be? Because that doesn't seem very town to me.

I know I had a reason. That is sufficient for me; I trust my past self.

The fact that I forgot my reason implies that I had a reason which isn't always true when I'm scum.

Though from our perspective, it's indistinguishable from you not having a reason, and so coming up with "I forgot".

SensFan · Post Post #767 (isolation #42) » Mon Jul 18, 2011 1:41 pm

Setael wrote:Explain to me how TownSens feels the need to keep Fate's identity secret if he really believes Mina is scum. Just start there, for fun.

I appreciate the implied praise very much, but even I can be wrong about a read I got from a handful of QT posts.

SensFan · Post Post #768 (isolation #43) » Mon Jul 18, 2011 1:44 pm

Also, FWIW, from this point on, I will expect the ABR/Set hydra to be internally consistent. As far as I'm concerned, being a hydra doesn't give you the right to contradict yourself from one post to another. So I suggest you start figuring shit out among yourselves before you start voting people your other head thinks is Town.

SensFan · Post Post #770 (isolation #44) » Mon Jul 18, 2011 1:53 pm

Cogito Ergo Sum wrote:That's a bit strict, SensFan; it's not like the slot was internally consistent before.

I'm not saying they can never change their mind. But I'm not going to let them get away with continuing the game with each head having fairly contrasting Town/Scum lists. It makes it much too easy to jump from one wagon to the other on the basis of "Well, ABR convinced me that Sens is Town for now", and then "Screw it. Sens is Scum, and I don't care what ABR thinks" if the wagon picks up again.

SensFan · Post Post #772 (isolation #45) » Mon Jul 18, 2011 2:37 pm

Blackberry wrote:I'm fine with Setael & ABR figuring their "shit out" live in the forum for all to see. It allows you to read their sincerity, etc. SensFans words make him sound like he is whining.

Which of the following is accurate:
a) You are willing to allow anyone to change their vote and/or reads at the drop of a hat
b) You have a double-standard for hydras and non-hydras

SensFan · Post Post #774 (isolation #46) » Mon Jul 18, 2011 2:43 pm

Blackberry wrote:A

Have you not seen me play in person? I change my mind every 2 minutes. ^_^

Why bother reading the thread at all, then, if people don't need a reason to completely flip-flop on their reads and can do so whenever they want without being held accountable for it?

SensFan · Post Post #776 (isolation #47) » Mon Jul 18, 2011 2:47 pm

Blackberry wrote:It's HOW people change their minds that allows you to get insight until whether they are mafia or town. The more people change their minds, the more they need to explain their reasoning. And since Town has sincere reasoning, while Mafia have insincere reasoning (as they are only faking the process), it gives more insight into whether or not people are being sincere in their scumhunting.

And yet you're willing to let the ABR/Mina slot change it's mind for no reason other than "ABR is wrong, Sens is Scum" and "Mina is wrong, Sens is Town"?

SensFan · Post Post #778 (isolation #48) » Mon Jul 18, 2011 3:02 pm

Blackberry wrote:You mean ABR/Setael?

I would prefer I get to see how they decide to agree on the situation rather than them get to do it behind closed doors. ^_^ A hydra of two gives you twice the opportunity to read whether you think someone is being honest or not.

Yes, that's what I mean. It also gives us many more chances for false positives if they keep doing shit like "I know my partner disagrees, but I'm going to move his/her vote anyways".

SensFan · Post Post #823 (isolation #49) » Tue Jul 19, 2011 9:33 am

Setael wrote:
chamber wrote:Those things don't seem like typical sens to you? Do you have much experience with him?

Has nothing to do with meta. It's scumminess. Are you saying that you have a meta read of SensFan that he does incredibly scummy things when he's town? Or are you saying you disagree with my points?

Had to check with Patrick before responding to this, so I apologize for the delay.
How about

your

experience with me, Set? Your experience with SensTown is more recent that anyone else's in this game. And it features an absolute ton of Sens doing 'incredibly scummy things' as Town.

SensFan · Post Post #825 (isolation #50) » Tue Jul 19, 2011 10:11 am

I don't consider them scummy.

SensFan · Post Post #830 (isolation #51) » Tue Jul 19, 2011 12:22 pm

Setael wrote:SensFan, are you talking about stuff that happened pregame? Because I didn't read any of that. I haven't read much of that game at all actually so maybe link me to what specifically you're referring to.

You know full well that forum rules prevent me from saying anything more than I did. But I find it hard to believe that you have read so few of my posts in that game as to not know that my play there was far more erratic than it was in this game.

SensFan · Post Post #836 (isolation #52) » Tue Jul 19, 2011 7:16 pm

Albert B. Rampage wrote:K can we stop with the self-meta'ing thanks, and your sig is outdated fyi

Self-meta would be me trying to say this is a Town tell.
I'm just pointing out that her saying "Sens is acting irrationally, and so must be Scum" is completely false, and she knows it.

SensFan · Post Post #851 (isolation #53) » Wed Jul 20, 2011 5:23 am

Seriously, just pick a damn name yourself. We're 35 pages into the game, and it's ridiculous that you haven't even registered an account yet.

SensFan · Post Post #854 (isolation #54) » Wed Jul 20, 2011 5:40 am

Fine.
/goes back to sheeping Fate

Vote: Nikanor

SensFan · Post Post #856 (isolation #55) » Wed Jul 20, 2011 5:49 am

At this point, getting a lynch trumps fighting for the lynch I want, to me.

SensFan · Post Post #858 (isolation #56) » Wed Jul 20, 2011 5:53 am

My vote was on Fate. If that wagons picks up, then I'll go back to lynching him.

SensFan · Post Post #860 (isolation #57) » Wed Jul 20, 2011 6:07 am

Unvote, Vote: Fate

(Hint: You don't need to convince her, you can just c/p the above line.)

SensFan · Post Post #873 (isolation #58) » Wed Jul 20, 2011 9:13 am

*yawn* ABR was lying, what a shocker.

Unvote, Vote: Nikanor

SensFan · Post Post #885 (isolation #59) » Wed Jul 20, 2011 1:30 pm

The less the better. Lists of who people think are Town only help the Scum.

SensFan · Post Post #889 (isolation #60) » Wed Jul 20, 2011 1:40 pm

How does the listing of all of everyone's townreads help the Town at all?

SensFan · Post Post #907 (isolation #61) » Wed Jul 20, 2011 7:11 pm

What's a motivator?

SensFan · Post Post #970 (isolation #62) » Sun Jul 24, 2011 4:21 pm

If you had any sense at all, Fate, you'd have put a bullet in me or Katsuki.

SensFan · Post Post #975 (isolation #63) » Sun Jul 24, 2011 4:25 pm

Fate wrote:
SensFan wrote:If you had any sense at all, Fate, you'd have put a bullet in me or Katsuki.

HURRRR DURRRRRRRR

IM BUSSING DGB THOUGH SENS, WONT YOU JOIN ME?

LOOKS LIKE SHES CAUGHT SCUM

Can't you go back to bussing Fareckoner?

SensFan · Post Post #978 (isolation #64) » Sun Jul 24, 2011 4:29 pm

Goddamnit, Fate. Is IrishWhatever your GF or something?

SensFan · Post Post #1011 (isolation #65) » Mon Jul 25, 2011 8:22 am

Unvote, Vote: DGB

SensFan · Post Post #1035 (isolation #66) » Thu Jul 28, 2011 2:07 pm

Damnit. Fate wasn't supposed to die.

SensFan · Post Post #1037 (isolation #67) » Thu Jul 28, 2011 2:24 pm

Vote: Irish Carbomb

. Sorry dude, still not quite sure why I'm voting you.

SensFan · Post Post #1039 (isolation #68) » Thu Jul 28, 2011 2:33 pm

Irish Carbomb wrote:Setting up for a Blackberry retcon after he gets in here? Cool story bro

Sens + BB confirmed for scums #2 & #3. Likely a fourth in the neighbors somewhere.

gg

I'm in the Neighbours. Try and keep up.
Actually, being in the Neighbours is why I've been voting you. Fate told us he's had a very strong scumread on you all game.

SensFan · Post Post #1041 (isolation #69) » Thu Jul 28, 2011 2:36 pm

Irish Carbomb wrote:OH AND LOOK, NOW FATE'S DEAD SO I CAN'T DEFEND MYSELF

GEE GOLLY GOSH

Fate has had strong scum reads on me in literally every game we've played together since Team Mafia because seeing me on fire as town has suddenly made him go OH IF RECK ISN'T LYNCHING SCUM EVERY FIVE FUCKING MINUTES HE'S SCUM

Fate's meta is broken as hell... but it's convenient that you're using something he said in the QT to push a lynch on us without so much as a single shred of logic or rationale

Since when do you think it's scummy for a FateCase to not contain a single shred of logic or rationale?

SensFan · Post Post #1043 (isolation #70) » Thu Jul 28, 2011 2:41 pm

Blackberry's not an idiot.

SensFan · Post Post #1047 (isolation #71) » Thu Jul 28, 2011 3:30 pm

GODDAMNIT. I AM THE THIRD NEIGHBOUR ON THE COUCH. ME. SENS.

SensFan · Post Post #1056 (isolation #72) » Thu Jul 28, 2011 7:00 pm

You're not Scum. Just retardTown.

SensFan · Post Post #1061 (isolation #73) » Fri Jul 29, 2011 1:47 am

tanstalas wrote:NO. BB you need to explain now. I was gonna let you kinda slide today cuz I assumed you were gambiting and didnt get to get back before DGB got lynched. The fact that you came out today saying, "I want everyone to respond top what I did" idn't scummy perse, but it is anti town at the very least. If you are town, you are misdirecting everyone from looking for scum to looking at you.

This.

You're clearly Town. Don't make me vote you just to get you to explain why you're such a retard.

SensFan · Post Post #1063 (isolation #74) » Fri Jul 29, 2011 7:11 am

dramonic wrote:So...
Who honestly thought that Blackberry would make a
sane
cop?
The roles ARE based on who we are yknow...

Wait. What?

SensFan · Post Post #1067 (isolation #75) » Fri Jul 29, 2011 8:56 am

IC was nowhere near L-1 during that 'self-hammer', though, Vit. And it allowed them to set up the opportunistic Vengeful claim. Which, as I've said before, we can test out for free.

SensFan · Post Post #1069 (isolation #76) » Fri Jul 29, 2011 8:59 am

VitaminR wrote:True, but it read as pretty sincere. And a vengeful kinda makes sense for Faraday? I don't think it's a strange claim.

Not necessarily strange. But very fitting from a "We're Scum being wagoned D1" perspective"; it scared people shitless into not wanting to lynch them anymore.

SensFan · Post Post #1096 (isolation #77) » Tue Aug 02, 2011 3:20 am

Prodded.

Berry is still Town. IC is still Scum.

SensFan · Post Post #1104 (isolation #78) » Wed Aug 03, 2011 3:30 pm

Unvote, Vote: Berry

I'm willing to switch wagons for the sake of making something happen, as long as we get Reckaday tomorrow.

SensFan · Thu Aug 04, 2011 10:28 am

Blackberry wrote:Oh f*ck, I'm pretty sure I'm hammared. I wish I was prodded or something.

Note that if you want to get prodded, it helps not to make prod-dodge posts

SensFan · Post Post #1131 (isolation #80) » Sun Aug 07, 2011 5:12 pm

Vote: Irish Carbomb

SensFan · Post Post #1137 (isolation #81) » Mon Aug 08, 2011 5:38 am

Irish Carbomb wrote:
Vote Sensfan

How about you make a case?

SensFan · Post Post #1138 (isolation #82) » Mon Aug 08, 2011 5:38 am

tanstalas wrote:I was liking the IC wagon until ABR hopped on, now I'm lukewarm on it

Vote: ABR

Come on tans, join the right side.

SensFan · Post Post #1141 (isolation #83) » Mon Aug 08, 2011 5:42 am

Irish Carbomb wrote:
Katsuki wrote:
Vote: Irish Carbomb

P.s. get mina to explain to you why I'm town.

If you can get mina to show up, then sure.

SensFan · Post Post #1142 (isolation #84) » Mon Aug 08, 2011 5:42 am

Irish Carbomb wrote:I don't even know if that's irony or stupidity.

I've explained pretty well why you're Scum.
Unless I'm just not remembering, you haven't done so about me.
Go.

SensFan · Post Post #1145 (isolation #85) » Mon Aug 08, 2011 5:52 am

While we're at it, can you

prod Set?

P.S. You're right, I never actually did explain my reasons, beyond me sheeping Fate and your opportunistic claim. Oh well.

SensFan · Post Post #1149 (isolation #86) » Mon Aug 08, 2011 7:16 am

Irish Carbomb wrote:Your stance on Blackberry yesterday was terrible though, and very unsensfan like, it looked like you knew he was going to flip town (or at least assumed he was, which fits with you being scum 'white knighting' someone who looked like obvscum for faking a fucking guilty)

Blackberry had easy mislynch written all over him. There's no reason for Scum to hold off his lynch.

SensFan · Post Post #1150 (isolation #87) » Mon Aug 08, 2011 7:16 am

dramonic wrote:On a scale of 1 to 10, that was an 12 on the WTF killchoice ladder.

IC's town. I'm thinking we could push Sens off a cliff.

Well we all know just how good dram's scumdar is >.>

SensFan · Post Post #1155 (isolation #88) » Mon Aug 08, 2011 9:45 am

Irish Carbomb wrote:
SensFan wrote:I've explained pretty well why you're Scum.

SensFan wrote:P.S. You're right, I never actually did explain my reasons, beyond me sheeping Fate and your opportunistic claim. Oh well.

lol

so Kise, our top pursuant dies
SensFan tries to get a wagon rolling on us
it almost works
and now he realizes 'oshit i dont actually have a case'

lol

I have plenty of reason why you're Scum. I just apparently haven't posted a case yet.
And yeah. Mind explaining why I would NK someone who has wanted you dead for a while, and then out of the gates start pushing for you? Especially since I've been very clear on record that I wanted you lynched today at the end of yesterday.

SensFan · Mon Aug 08, 2011 12:42 pm

Can we deal with the obvscum first?

SensFan · Post Post #1164 (isolation #90) » Mon Aug 08, 2011 5:50 pm

TheButtonmen wrote:I could get behind the IC wagon but could someone on it share some highlights with me?

@Sens:
Other then IC do you have any strong reads?

Reckaday is obvscum.
Otherwise, ABR is a good lynch.

I don't really have any OBVSCUM reads outside Reckaday.

These people Town, though:
Sens, KatsMina, Minnineko, Dram, Tans

Townreads on CES, VitR.

SensFan · Post Post #1166 (isolation #91) » Mon Aug 08, 2011 5:55 pm

Katsuki, get in the QT.

SensFan · Post Post #1167 (isolation #92) » Mon Aug 08, 2011 5:59 pm

(You, too, Mina, if you're around)

SensFan · Post Post #1173 (isolation #93) » Wed Aug 10, 2011 1:41 pm

Minineko wrote:
SensFan wrote:Can we deal with the obvscum first?

The one you don't have a case on?

We've been over the fact that we're sheeping Fate.

SensFan · Post Post #1179 (isolation #94) » Wed Aug 10, 2011 6:57 pm

dramonic wrote:I didn't say he was. I said he's not most likely scum.

Dram, just give all your reads. Then we lynch your townreads, confirm your scumreads, and the game ends.

SensFan · Post Post #1202 (isolation #95) » Fri Aug 12, 2011 5:42 am

Irish Carbomb wrote:
Mina wrote:
Irish Carbomb wrote:Just the way the Nikanor wagon happened and you were on him quite early iirc, I don't think it's that likely you're scum with him.

Who were you referring to in this post, by the way?

p-edit: Do you think that SensFan, as scum, would do the following:

1) Say, "Reck is town. Sorry, Fate" in the thread.

2) Post in the QT that he's secretly willing to sheep Fate on Reck, but will. (For context: this came AFTER Fate said, "You guys will," but before all of their later interaction.

3) Then start flipping out on Fate in the thread and pretending that he's his top suspect...but eventually move his vote back to Reck anyway (which is consistent with what he said in the QT).

I know the way you think, Faraday. This is something you'd clear him for as town.

And it did draw him negative attention, because several people (such as Setael and Reckoner) made cases on him for being inconsistent on xRECKx. And then RATHER THAN GO, "Oh, actually, it was a gambit," HE DOESN'T BACK DOWN, BUT ACTUALLY PRETENDS TO KEEP SUSPECTING FATE SO AS TO KEEP HIM ALIVE LONGER.

When someone's motivations look superficially scummy because they're inscrutable to the town at large, but make perfect sense when revealed in private, that's a huge towntell.

tbm.

where did sensfan ever say we were town in thread. that didn't even happen

I thought you were town up until Fate started capsraging in our QT how obvscum you were and that no one was willing to lynch you after your claim. So then I took a closer look, and changed my mind about you.

SensFan · Post Post #1203 (isolation #96) » Fri Aug 12, 2011 5:44 am

For reference:

SensFan wrote:Holy lots of pages. I'll catch up tonight and see who Fate wants me to vote next.

Fate wrote:Sens get your vote onto fuckin Reck.

Don't let Nikanor scum troll you

SensFan wrote:Reck's Town. Sorry Fate.

Fate wrote:THEN DON'T ASK ME WHO TO VOTE IF YOU'RE JUST GOING TO BE FOOLED BY PLAYERS BETTER THAN YOU AND NOT TRUST MY FUCKING READS

SensFan wrote:Sorry. I assumed when I asked you who to vote for that "don't pick the dude that's obvtown" was implied. I didn't realized you sucked that bad at reading Reck. I won't make that mistake again.

SensFan · Post Post #1207 (isolation #97) » Sat Aug 13, 2011 6:21 am

Shocker. Dram refuses to reconsider his shit reads.

SensFan · Post Post #1209 (isolation #98) » Sat Aug 13, 2011 7:24 am

Is this really as simple as Dram/IC scumteam?

SensFan · Post Post #1211 (isolation #99) » Sat Aug 13, 2011 7:55 am

dramonic wrote:So...
Who honestly thought that Blackberry would make a
sane
cop?
The roles ARE based on who we are yknow...

This aside, before we quicklynch like a bunch of bozos, can we get berry's investigation result for this night?

(I would have followed the cop yesterday just like yall, but in retrospect Blackberry being sane is a ridiculous idea)

So, can we come back to this for a second? What makes you think that the roles are based on who we are? What do you know that the rest of us don't?

SensFan · Sat Aug 13, 2011 8:25 am

Then I clearly missed the memo. As did the Mod, since when I asked him pregame, he specifically told me that roles were assigned randomly as in any other game on the site, and then he added personalized flavour based on the person.

SensFan · Sat Aug 13, 2011 8:29 am

Irish Carbomb wrote:Really? I was under the impression the mod assigned roles to people non randomly, hence the flavour.

Not that you've any reason to lie but
Patrick can you clarify here?
. I don't see why that's 'interesting' anyway though since I thought the same as Dram.

It's very interesting, since it means that Dram has a role that he thinks was chosen for him based on who he is.

SensFan · Sat Aug 13, 2011 10:28 am

Fighting the good fight!

SensFan · Sun Aug 14, 2011 7:52 am

dramonic wrote:What of it? Is the fact Fate flipped day-neighbour and CD flipped neighbour something that traumatizes you or something? <<

Well, if you realized they flipped differently, you'd know that 4 is an irrelevant number. There was a 3-person Neighbourhood that is all Town (us, the Loud Couch Neighbours). Then there is an X-person Neighbourhood that includes as least 1 Town person (CokeDeity's Neighbourhood).

SensFan · Sun Aug 14, 2011 8:06 am

dramonic wrote:and that I don't think we have 4 town neighbors.

Can you even pretend to read the thread? We literally just had a discussion about this, which ended in the Mod saying "Alignments random".

SensFan · Sun Aug 14, 2011 8:12 am

dramonic wrote:My point remains that even if you're all in different neighborhoods, I find it very unlikely that there can be so many town-aligned neighbor roles.

EDIT: I'm aware of that, I'm the one who brought it up with the whole "our roles have to do with us" <_<

I think (but im not mathematician) thats its statistically likely at least one of the neighbor is scum.

Do you know anything about stats? Because it's no more unlikely than that any selection of 2 people is all Town.
In other words, the odds of Sens/KatsMina/Fate/CokeDeity all being Town is statistically equal to the odds of Dram/IC both being Town.

SensFan · Sun Aug 14, 2011 8:17 am

dramonic wrote:true, but the odds of all scum being within a group of 8 players rather than 12 is lower.

No more than for any 2 players. The odds of Dram/IC both not being Scum is really low! Should we just make arguments like that?

SensFan · Sun Aug 14, 2011 8:23 am

dramonic wrote:pretty sure you mean 3, but regardless
No, but I'm not clinging to OoT info to justify my alignment <<

I absolutely mean 2.
And what's OoT?

SensFan · Sun Aug 14, 2011 8:26 am

dramonic wrote:oh, I see what you mean by 2 now.
Out of thread. It's that thing Fate was doing with the both of you trying to say you were town because QTLULZ
We dont have access to QTLULZ. Be town in here, if you're town at all.

I'm not relying on QT at all for anything. I haven't tried to pass anything off as "BUT THE QT!!!!"

SensFan · Sun Aug 14, 2011 8:34 am

Irish Carbomb wrote:
tanstalas wrote:
Unvote
Vote: IC

/blatantly sheeping

This is not the vote you're looking for.

oh and mina's whole 'I KNOW HOW YOU THINK LOL INCEPTION' stuff is sorta true but then she goes and calls me scum for not clearing sensfan which is a disconnect from how I play the game in general. but that's whatever mostly cos it's boring.

also patrick has also clarified that the roles were not randomly assigned, so using statistics is irrelevant, it's more 'let's outguess the mod to see if he'd make 2 quicktopics as all town'

Patrick has also clarified that the Alignments

were

randomized. Thus there's no outguessing to be had.

SensFan · Sun Aug 14, 2011 9:35 am

So IC, why the double-standard on me/Dram about interactions with Berry?

SensFan · Sun Aug 14, 2011 9:51 am

So because "he's town", you're willing to ignore that he also did the only thing you've accused me of being Scum for?

SensFan · Sun Aug 14, 2011 10:12 am

What if Reck is wrong?
And since your scumtell on me apparently isn't that strong, who else do you think is Scum?

SensFan · Sun Aug 14, 2011 10:25 am

Minineko?

SensFan · Tue Aug 16, 2011 3:58 pm

I'm still here. Still waiting for IC to get rope.

SensFan · Tue Aug 16, 2011 4:03 pm

Irish Carbomb wrote:So uh, since we suck and are dying does anyone have suggestions for our shot we can ignore and troll by shooting obvtown buttons (just like yesterday in scumchat!)

ABR?

SensFan · Tue Aug 16, 2011 4:09 pm

Cute.

SensFan · Tue Aug 16, 2011 4:11 pm

Duh. It makes perfect sense. It's the only way you could know so much. I just need to try and play this off casually until you get lynched, and then claim it's a bastardmod flip and you were actually Scum.

SensFan · Tue Aug 16, 2011 4:26 pm

Fine. Hold up.
On the off-chance those Irish dumbasses are Town, can we have 24 hours or so for Mina and Katsuki to knock some sense into them? I've been cleared as Town by the 2 people who have seen the majority of my thoughts in this game, both of which are Town. Is there a reason you want to vengekill me?

SensFan · Tue Aug 16, 2011 4:31 pm

Irish Carbomb wrote:because I think you're scum.

LOL @ STALLING and trying to get your neighbour crew to defend you now when we're about to be lynched and shoot you though.

How is it stalling? You literally just said "Mina you have until hammer to convince us." And then I said "Yo guys, wait on the hammer so Mina can convince them."

SensFan · Tue Aug 16, 2011 4:32 pm

Congrats. Either you're Scum who got busted, or you're Town and about to Vengekill one of the 2 Masons left.

SensFan · Tue Aug 16, 2011 4:35 pm

Irish Carbomb wrote:Eh. if you're town convince me you're town then I guess? Why are you town? You can answer as well as Mina *shrug* in fact i'd prefer it coming from you.

The best thing I can think of is the Berry wagon. Scum 'knew he was Town', so there was literally no reason to stick their neck out to try and prevent the mislynch of dumb Town that fakeclaimed Cop.

SensFan · Tue Aug 16, 2011 4:36 pm

Irish Carbomb wrote:wait you're masons with minasuki??

...really? You didn't catch that about 51 pages ago?

SensFan · Wed Aug 17, 2011 6:34 am

dramonic wrote:Sensfan is a better shot though.

Hyopthetical Vengekill votecount
ABR - (Sens, CES, VitR)
Mason - (IC, dram)

Any other takers?

SensFan · Wed Aug 17, 2011 6:38 am

Irish Carbomb wrote:i'm willing to listen to reason since so many people seem to have sens as town (well 2?) but let's not start some sort of unofficial votecount garbage.

I don't actually expect anyone to listen to a votecount. I just wanted to point out how two of you want the Mason shot.

SensFan · Wed Aug 17, 2011 6:42 am

Oh, and for what it's worth, Fate is literally the worst possible NK for either of me/Katsmina as Scum.

SensFan · Wed Aug 17, 2011 6:52 am

GET IN THE QUICKTOPIC KATSUKI

SensFan · Wed Aug 17, 2011 6:53 am

p.s. sweet new v/la feature

SensFan · Wed Aug 17, 2011 8:20 am

Goddamnit Mina. Less doubting yourself, more yelling at them not to shoot me postmortem.

SensFan · Sun Aug 21, 2011 1:38 am

Minineko wrote:
SensFan wrote:How is it stalling? You literally just said "Mina you have until hammer to convince us." And then I said "Yo guys, wait on the hammer so Mina can convince them."

vote SensFan
, this post makes no sense from townie perspective whatsoever, he has to be scum. This is really all I spotted in the catching up but it's all I need...

What the fuck are you talking about?

SensFan · Sun Aug 21, 2011 6:52 am

SensFan wrote:
Minineko wrote:
SensFan wrote:How is it stalling? You literally just said "Mina you have until hammer to convince us." And then I said "Yo guys, wait on the hammer so Mina can convince them."

vote SensFan
, this post makes no sense from townie perspective whatsoever, he has to be scum. This is really all I spotted in the catching up but it's all I need...

What the fuck are you talking about?

To clarify, since there's a deadline and I'm on V/LA:
I have no idea what the hell you're talking about, since no one else has made any objections to the supposed 'doesn't make sense from Town POV' you claim you see. Please explain your point clearly. Especially since I've already been cleared several times. So try again. If the deadline comes with NL and you don't move your vote, I will be assuming that you consciously chose to No Lynch.

SensFan · Sun Aug 21, 2011 8:50 am

dramonic wrote:Oh yes, you're quite obviously cleared <_<

I'm sorry. I thought that being cleared by the 3 people in this game with the Behind the Scenes pass was good enough. I forgot that you're not big on the whole logic and reason thing.

SensFan · Sun Aug 21, 2011 9:35 am

dramonic wrote:
SensFan wrote:
dramonic wrote:Oh yes, you're quite obviously cleared <_<

I'm sorry. I thought that being cleared by the 3 people in this game with the Behind the Scenes pass was good enough. I forgot that you're not big on the whole logic and reason thing.

Personal attack aside, Mina and Katsuki calling you town doesn't mean more than any other two calling you scum. Just because you share a neighbor QT doesn't make you magically confirmed.

Yes, clearly if the only 3 people (Fate, Katsuki, Mina) who have actually seen my thought process throughout the game call me confirmed Town, it means nothing...

Albert B. Rampage wrote:There's scum on the couch.

Source?

SensFan · Sun Aug 21, 2011 10:27 am

dramonic wrote:Yall should read Sens' iso, it's a funny thing. It's like wandering in the mind of a someone with two personalities. There's "I will kiss Fate's ass" personality and there's "I have an opinion" personality. They mostly synch with how the rest of the players feel.

Sens has been going with the flow all game. Early on he was all about following Fate, agreeing with him that there had to be scum in the neighborhood, but not outing him in case minatsuki flips town (hint, if she flips town that means Fate is the scum), but he wanted to "protect his identity", which implies that he knew all along Fate wouldn't flip scum.
Hello Sens, welcome to self-outing episode one.
For more info on this piece, see his ISO 4 and 6.

Apparently Sens' PM isn't the same as Fate and Minatsuki (see ISO 8). Fascinating, I thought the three of you had the same PM basically. Unless of course you're setting the stage to be able to call yourself a mason and stuff (even though you agree with the assumption there has to be scum in the neighborhood)

Comes ISO 25 where Sens actually flips around and decides Fate might actually be scum! Can't blame him, Fate's stance on Reck was/is BS. Still, sayign Fate changes his mind suddenly and then Sens changing his mind suddenly is lulzy

ISO 26 is the cult recruit regretting against his leader. He's been kissing Fate's butt all game, but Fate's been apparently talking out of his ass all game. Talk about being a close listener. What Sens seems to be saying here is that Fate makes no sense as town from his perspective but he sheeped him anyway. That's pretty cool and pro-town... right?

Some antagonizing later...

Sens jumps onto Reck in ISO 29, after... wait, I thought you said 4 ISOs ago that Reck was town? Could it be... YOU CHANGED YOUR READ? But that's what scum does, by your word...

ISO 30 is Sens advising Berry not to follow Fate... (ISO 46 is Sens sinking himself)... and then he goes back to sheeping Fate, who he's been spending a while calling scum.

ISO 56 makes no sense at all. He's sheeping Fate but saying he'll vote him if the wagon picks up... what??

and the suddenly sadness in 66, Fate died, oh noes!

ISO 67 is Sens RVSing, lovely and all.

From there on out there's pretty much nothing of specific interest until ISO 84, where Sens says he has a case (which he does not).

Corrects himself in 85... still doesnt post a case. Sheeping Fate is not a case, ftr.

Apparently Sens changed his stance on Minatsuki at some point or another, not sure where, he just likes them at 91.

ISO 93 shows why this wagon on IC is bad. When IC flips town, what's Sens gonna say? "Oh, I was sheeping the dead guy, not my fault derp, i've no mind of my own"

Sens' ISO 112 can be answered with "What if Fate is wrong", ftr.

ISO 125 is not only false, but also ignoring the existence of a third scum (not taking Berry's word on what we're looking for, kthx)

So... Why is he alive again?

Try reading the thread. We've been over this, and it's been answered.
kthx.

SensFan · Sun Aug 21, 2011 10:30 am

TheButtonmen wrote:
Albert B. Rampage wrote:There's always scum on the couch.

I'd disagree, VitR is reading as very town and CES is town.

Did I miss a claim, or is this intended to be one?

SensFan · Sun Aug 21, 2011 11:37 am

dramonic wrote:lolsens

I assume that should be read as "Oh shit, I forgot that Mina explained all of that completely"?

SensFan · Sun Aug 21, 2011 3:18 pm

dramonic wrote:Mina does not justify your actions. Stop cowering behind your neighbours and play for yourself.

Fine.

As Mina fully explained X pages ago, I never once in this entire game changed by stance on Reck or Fate. Anything that appeared to the contrary of that was completely insincere on my part. I've been fully consistant throughout this game with my suspicions, with a few exceptions (Minasuki being the biggest one). There. I explained it for myself. Happy?

SensFan · Sun Aug 21, 2011 3:23 pm

Keeping Fate alive, allowing the Masons to continue pushing the IC-wagon, etc.
Again, it was all planned by the entire Mason team. So if you have a problem with it, take it up with Katsina and Fate as well as me.

SensFan · Sun Aug 21, 2011 3:24 pm

Though I must say, this deadline 'OMG STOP ICWAGON AND SCAPEGOAT SENS' behaviour by several people is interesting.

SensFan · Mon Aug 22, 2011 5:17 am

Katsuki/Mina have to vote IC.
VitR has to pick IC or Sens.

SensFan · Mon Aug 22, 2011 5:48 am

If Vit votes me, it's a 5/5 split.

FYI I'm on a train to a cottage as we speak. By 3pm EST, my only access for the next 5 days will be if I get iPhone access at said cottage.

SensFan · Mon Aug 22, 2011 6:30 am

In the interests of minimizing risk here, if you're Town just self-hammer and kill me. That way, if we both are Town at least we only use up 1 mislynch, and not spend 2 days on it. Vitamin isn't enough to get a lynch on me anyways.

SensFan · Mon Aug 22, 2011 7:02 am

Cool. If the claimed Vengekill won't self-hammer to avoid a NL (lol), then I will. Right before my train arrives in about an hour, I'll self-hammer if I'm at 5 and the Day is still going on.

Maybe tomorrow you people can try and figure out why the claimed Venge made the Mason self-hammer instead of doing it himself.

SensFan · Mon Aug 22, 2011 7:10 am

Are you Scum, or have you suffered recent brain damage? We have a 5/5 split at deadline, with one of the two people being a claimed Venge. There should literally not be a single person objecting to a plan involving the Venge self-hammering and shooting the other guy.

SensFan · Mon Aug 22, 2011 7:23 am

Yes, because CLEARLY there will never be another IC wagon in this game.
You're not actually this riduclously dumb, dram. We have a completely split Town. There is a chance for the Town to guarantee either a Scum lynch or a Town lynch and then another lynch with no Nightkill. There is no rational reason to decide the best option is to turn down said second lynch.

SensFan · Mon Aug 22, 2011 7:27 am

P.S. I still only have 4 votes on me. If that doesn't change before 3ish, I can't self-hammer. In such a case, if there is a NL, then I will be assuming that every single person who posted with a chance to hammer either of Sens/IC is Scum or

has mod-confirmed proof that both of the above are Town.

SensFan · Mon Aug 22, 2011 7:33 am

dramonic wrote:... I prefer a scumlynch to a town lynch with another lynch without nightkill.
Because, yknow, we hit scum?

And yet you know that your reads can't be perfect.

dramonic wrote:Where'd you even get the no nightkill post-lynch?

Try to keep up. According to you, there's a Town Venge.

dramonic wrote:Besides, you don't believe in that second lynch, so you should be just as viable as they are. Especially since you are the one who'll eat their bullet if they're lynched.

Exactly. You're arguing that I'm Scum for putting my ass on the line if IC is Town. And yet, if I'm Scum, I would know that IC is Town.

dramonic wrote:Damn you love those escape routes don't you Sens? Completely incapable to take a stance of your own.

You got me. Going on record that I'll self-hammer the instant I'm able to is such a dastardly scummy escape route, isn't it?

SensFan · Mon Aug 22, 2011 7:43 am

dramonic wrote:
SensFan wrote:I will be assuming that every single person who posted with a chance to hammer either of Sens/IC is Scum or
has mod-confirmed proof that both of the above are Town.
That line about the escape route <<

Oh, I get it. You just never learned how to read English in your French schools. That explains how you could think "You guys better fucking get a lynch on me or the guy who you think will Vengekill me" is me making an escape route.

dramonic wrote:Also, I see no point where him being a vengeful makes the NK inexistant.

Plan A) I get lynched today. Then NK. Then IC lynched tomorrow.
Plan B) IC gets lynched today. Then I get Vengekilled.

NOTE THE LACK OF NK IN PLAN B.

SensFan · Mon Aug 22, 2011 7:49 am

Obviously I think you're Scum. I've never changed that belief since D1.

SensFan · Mon Aug 22, 2011 7:51 am

Of course I do. My last few posts are showing that even if I'm wrong, you're still the right lynch.

SensFan · Mon Aug 22, 2011 7:53 am

Vit, pick a side. We don't have time to get 6 votes on someone other than me/IC, especially since we both know that dram will never remove his vote from me until I or he is dead.

SensFan · Mon Aug 22, 2011 7:54 am

Irish Carbomb wrote:
SensFan wrote:Of course I do. My last few posts are showing that even if I'm wrong, you're still the right lynch.

you should preview your posts or something before you post them next time it'll look better

I love how you keep pretending I'm Scum when I'm going to quickhammer myself if I can to avoid a NL.

SensFan · Mon Aug 22, 2011 7:59 am

Whatever. You have about 5 minutes to get another vote on me before you need 2 more votes to get your mislynch through.

SensFan · Mon Aug 22, 2011 8:01 am

Is this some form of 'lulz troll sens' game or something? How am I the only one who can see that when the Town is split between a Neighbout and a claimed Venge 3 hours before deadline, the correct play is to lynch the claimed Venge and tell him to shoot me?

SensFan · Mon Aug 22, 2011 8:01 am

Irish Carbomb wrote:
SensFan wrote:Whatever. You have about 5 minutes to get another vote on me before you need 2 more votes to get your mislynch through.

thanks for proving my point that your self hammer is an empty threat.

Yeah. The fact that I was clear more than 2 hours ago that I was losing access for a week at about this time totally means it was an empty threat.

SensFan · Mon Aug 22, 2011 8:03 am

Irish Carbomb wrote:yeah we only signed up to troll you

Frankly, I wouldn't put it past almost everyone currently voting me.

SensFan · Mon Aug 22, 2011 8:05 am

Awesome. Love how useful in taking a stance for once in this game my dumbass Neighbour partners are.

SensFan · Mon Aug 22, 2011 8:07 am

I don't care what their stance is. I want either of them to take a fucking stance. If they think I'm Scum, they should fucking vote me, and not "WE TRUST FARADAY TO MAKE ALL DECISIONS".

SensFan · Mon Aug 22, 2011 8:07 am

VitaminR wrote:I re-read, but I'm still pretty sure you are both town. I don't really want to vote Sens just because I disagree with his reads more.

If you're not going to be willing to hammer IC in the next 2 hours, then just vote me now so that I can hammer and we get a lynch in.

SensFan · Mon Aug 22, 2011 8:10 am

You fucking moron Katsuki. Right now THERE IS NO LYNCH.

SensFan · Mon Aug 22, 2011 8:12 am

Trust who? That VitR will decide he wants to hammer IC?

SensFan · Mon Aug 22, 2011 8:22 am

unvote vote Sens[\b]

SensFan · Mon Aug 22, 2011 8:28 am

unvote vote Sens

Just in case.

SensFan · Mon Aug 22, 2011 8:38 am

dramonic wrote:This derp won't flip town. If he was to flip he'd have posted some form of aggravated comment with it Kats <<

If he was Scum, he'd still be alive.

SensFan · Wed Sep 28, 2011 9:32 am

↑ tanstalas wrote:
↑ Katsuki wrote:OH YEAH SENS YOU WANNA EXPLAIN THAT SELF VOTE OF YOURS?

WHY THE FUCK WOULD YOU SELF-HAMMER WHEN WE HAD FUCKING IC AT L-1

Because a self-hammer is a bajillion times better than a No Lynch? How was I supposed to assume that you knuckleheads would realize in the next few hours that lynching the claimed Venge is better than lynching the Mason, seeing as you hadn't for the past X days?

SensFan · Wed Sep 28, 2011 9:33 am

↑ tanstalas wrote:If yes, I totally blame Kats for us losing, then Sens, then the sweet, innocent little Mina

As I vented in the Dead QT, I put most of the blame on Katsmina for spending more time trying to troll Fate and I in the Neighbour QT than they did paying attention to the goddamn game.

SensFan · Wed Sep 28, 2011 9:37 am

↑ Katsuki wrote:
↑ SensFan wrote:
↑ tanstalas wrote:If yes, I totally blame Kats for us losing, then Sens, then the sweet, innocent little Mina

As I vented in the Dead QT, I put most of the blame on Katsmina for spending more time trying to troll Fate and I in the Neighbour QT than they did paying attention to the goddamn game.

YOU
FUCKING IGNORED MY POSTS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD
AND SELF-HAMMERED YOURSELF

YOU SHUT THE FUCK UP
USELESS SACK OF "WOE IS ME'

TEN PEOPLE ALIVE. FIVE WANT ME LYNCHED. FIVE WANT IC LYNCHED.
ASSUME WE NO LYNCH.
IT'S FIVE TO LYNCH THE NEXT DAY.
TAKE A WILD FUCKING GUESS WHICH SIDE THE NIGHTKILL WILL COME FROM.

SensFan · Wed Sep 28, 2011 9:42 am

↑ Katsuki wrote:
↑ SensFan wrote:
↑ Katsuki wrote:
↑ SensFan wrote:
↑ tanstalas wrote:If yes, I totally blame Kats for us losing, then Sens, then the sweet, innocent little Mina

As I vented in the Dead QT, I put most of the blame on Katsmina for spending more time trying to troll Fate and I in the Neighbour QT than they did paying attention to the goddamn game.

YOU
FUCKING IGNORED MY POSTS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD
AND SELF-HAMMERED YOURSELF

YOU SHUT THE FUCK UP
USELESS SACK OF "WOE IS ME'

TEN PEOPLE ALIVE. FIVE WANT ME LYNCHED. FIVE WANT IC LYNCHED.
ASSUME WE NO LYNCH.
IT'S FIVE TO LYNCH THE NEXT DAY.
TAKE A WILD FUCKING GUESS WHICH SIDE THE NIGHTKILL WILL COME FROM.

YOU HAD 4 FUCKING HRS BEFORE DEADLINE
OTHERS WERE ON
YOU DONT FUCKING SELF-HAMMER WITH THAT MUCH TIME REMAINING
ESPECIALLY WHEN OTHERS ARE ON TO ENSURE THAT WE DIDNT NO-LYNCH

Did you miss the whole "In 5 hours, I will be losing access for a week" thing 5 hours before the hammer?

SensFan · Wed Sep 28, 2011 9:43 am

Also THIS IS EXACTLY WHY YOU NEVER EVER EVER EVER EVEN THINK OF VOTING FOR SOMEONE OTHER THAN NL IN MYLO. NEVER. NO, NOT EVEN THEN.

SensFan · Wed Sep 28, 2011 9:49 am

↑ Katsuki wrote:
↑ SensFan wrote:
↑ Katsuki wrote:
↑ SensFan wrote:
↑ Katsuki wrote:

YOU
FUCKING IGNORED MY POSTS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD
AND SELF-HAMMERED YOURSELF

YOU SHUT THE FUCK UP
USELESS SACK OF "WOE IS ME'

TEN PEOPLE ALIVE. FIVE WANT ME LYNCHED. FIVE WANT IC LYNCHED.
ASSUME WE NO LYNCH.
IT'S FIVE TO LYNCH THE NEXT DAY.
TAKE A WILD FUCKING GUESS WHICH SIDE THE NIGHTKILL WILL COME FROM.

YOU HAD 4 FUCKING HRS BEFORE DEADLINE
OTHERS WERE ON
YOU DONT FUCKING SELF-HAMMER WITH THAT MUCH TIME REMAINING
ESPECIALLY WHEN OTHERS ARE ON TO ENSURE THAT WE DIDNT NO-LYNCH

Did you miss the whole "In 5 hours, I will be losing access for a week" thing 5 hours before the hammer?

Did you miss the whole "YOU HAVE A FUCKING MASON NEIGHBOR TO ENSURE THAT A NO-LYNCH DOESN'T OCCUR??"

You and Mina weren't exactly bastions of defense. I considered the odds that anyone other than me would have the balls to actually fucking hammer the Mason relatively low in the next 4 hours, seeing as no one was willing to move their vote during the previous hours/days/weeks.

SensFan · Wed Sep 28, 2011 9:54 am

↑ Faraday wrote:
↑ Fate wrote:Sens' self-vote was out of desperation and frustatin it was a thousand times better than a no lynch.

nope, lol. teehee nl ensured we died next day after i promised to self hammer if needed.

I assumed enough competence on the part of Town to lynch you anyways. Even if literally everyone else in the game was a confirmed-Sane Cop with an Innocent on you, you were still absolutely the right lynch the next Day.

SensFan · Wed Sep 28, 2011 9:57 am

↑ Faraday wrote:heh.

nice hyperbole

Not hyperbole. The problem with claiming Venge as Scum is that a Venge is literally a FREE LYNCH. FREE.

SensFan · Wed Sep 28, 2011 10:03 am

↑ Faraday wrote:
↑ SensFan wrote:Not hyperbole. The problem with claiming Venge as Scum is that a Venge is literally a FREE LYNCH. FREE.

kinda think it worked well

If you think you won this through any particular excellence of play, then I distinctly beg to differ.

SensFan · Wed Sep 28, 2011 10:05 am

↑ Faraday wrote:
↑ SensFan wrote:
↑ Faraday wrote:
↑ SensFan wrote:Not hyperbole. The problem with claiming Venge as Scum is that a Venge is literally a FREE LYNCH. FREE.

kinda think it worked well

If you think you won this through any particular excellence of play, then I distinctly beg to differ.

YEP LOL. but luckily you're a retard who self hammers so your opinion is invalid.

And luckily you Hydra'd your way out of being lynched D1 so yours is exceptionally valid.

SensFan · Wed Sep 28, 2011 10:16 am

↑ Faraday wrote:
↑ SensFan wrote:
↑ Faraday wrote:
↑ SensFan wrote:If you think you won this through any particular excellence of play, then I distinctly beg to differ.

YEP LOL. but luckily you're a retard who self hammers so your opinion is invalid.

And luckily you Hydra'd your way out of being lynched D1 so yours is exceptionally valid.

i am morally reprehensible, but you still self hammered. i win. you lose. suck it up, champ.

We can agree to disagree. I've been on record for years that Town should self-hammer to avoid a NL even if they're Cop-cleared Innocent.

SensFan · Wed Sep 28, 2011 11:55 am

↑ xRECKONERx wrote:
↑ Vi wrote:I don't feel like digging up the discussion in 62, so I'll mention what was interesting about this game.

1) Six Neighbors in one game. All Town. The original draft of the setup had ABR as a scum Neighbor (Loud Couch IIRC? It was the one Botones couldn't investigate) but I turned it down.

2) Faraday got in trouble D1. He dragged in a hydra-replacement as he was going down (questionable ethics discussion goes here). They made one of the scummiest must-lynch claims in the meta, Vengeful Townie. And through the sheer power of talking nonstop, they managed to not only not get lynched D1, they UNclaimed Vengeful Townie (this is definitely the first game I have ever heard of "unclaiming") in spite of it being the claim that saved them from getting lynched D1, got a power role who was correctly mod-outguessed to be confirmed Town lynched (remember, Minineko was a last-minute addition to the setup and it's much more likely that it'll be an extra Townie getting thrown in), and survived to endgame through a crowd of Neighbors who for the most part correctly read each other as Town.

And what's more amazing about this is that after seeing an unclaim in this game, I've seen it happen in other games. This is also yet another example of a game that SCREAMING DEATH has steamLOLled through doing what everyone already knows they do. It's like people want the meta to change so that the tactics used in this victory are
rewarded
.

so this game would be an example of what?

Why you policy lynch liars on the spot?
I don't really know what this is an example of, per se

Also Sens stop being fucking butthurt

We literally went from being at L-1 on DAY ONE, made the BALLSIEST claim ever as scum, and managed to bus both of our buddies AND our traitor and pull out a win

Stop crying. We won because we outplayed town. "Oh but the town left alive was derptown" YES, THAT'S WHY WE KILLED OFF THE PEOPLE WHO WERE ON THE RIGHT TRACK

We had good play here, it was calculated, and it won us the game.

Sorry, but no. As I said, the day after my lynch, there should literally have been no possible combination of roles/actions/claims/etc that would save you from being lynched. If the Town was thinking at all, the Day should literally have lasted until 4 Town players saw the thread and voted IC. Simple as that.