New York 138: OxyMoron Mafia :: Game Over!

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Thor665 replaces Lady Lambadelta
Nobody Special replaces Vifam

All slots are now active. NOBODY REPLACE OUT.

You just accepted his replace in, why so harsh? He's not really THAT bad of a player.


In other news, unlike Nobody, I'm sort of planning to not even read all those pages, because it looks like a lot of work. Somebody should tell me who scum is and also who the obv. town players I should sheep are.

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jesus Smurf read the thread or replace out

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jesus Smurf read the thread or replace out

Why? What awesome scumtells am I missing?

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@Empking - who should I be voting and why? Should we lynch Mastin for being Mastin? That's usually not a terrible idea.

Y'know guys, as confirmed awesome, you would think I wouldn't have to work this hard to have people react to me. I'm about to claim scum and start voting via random.com just to see if it does anything.

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Cool.

Vote: Fatlikeapig

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Why is Xeras objectively scummy?
You're scum so I'm unlikely to believe you, but it might be worth the shot.

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@Xeras - what was up with your useless prior vote - what were you doing there instead of voting obv. scum fatlikeapig?

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@redFF - for someone screaming in rage about replace ins not reading...I already asked fatlikeapig about that...and he already answered. Why aren't you reading the thread right now?

@evilpacman - could you explain for me the fatlikeapig/Ironhead thing? Why is one of them a smart a lynch, what setup the either/or situation?

@Ironhead - do you agree with fatlikeapig's case on Xeras?

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That's okay, the lazy town here is being ridiculous too

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i never berated any replacement about not reading.

Smurfing Smurf read the thread or replace out

Also - why aren't you reading the thread if you wish to berate people who aren't?

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Unvote: fatlikeapig
Vote: Ironhead

Speed wagon, choo-choo.

Also, fat's reaction to the current wagon makes me doubt he's scum.

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Four: I'm voting Pig over Iron because Pig is scummier and I got town vibes from Iron's posts earlier, none from Pig. That's all.

Could you explain these? I'm reading it the other way around.

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A reasonable conclusion.

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You have your ups (this game), you have your downs. (...Other...games. )

I think you do better on late replaces because it's harder for you to fakeclaim based off gut reads

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@NS - you should trust me - and I say trust them, I have a beard.

@Oversoul - the liklihood of SK being last alive now that the theory one-shot Doc is gone looks pretty high to my mind, i tend to agree it's likely just one anti-town kill faction left, I'll admit I almost expect it to either be super dynamite SK or some additional scum team, as stands town is looking pretty powerful and that scum team was 'meh' at best. Also, you guys are going spastic in hope for this SK...where's the re-director who got you that false positive? Is that an SK ability? Really? I predict solid chance for additional scum at the moment.

mastin's list looks pretty good except I'm basically confirmed town and he doesn't know it yet but once he strokes my beard a few times he'll catch up. I think Xanatos has to claim at this point and is high likelihood of lynch today barring lolamazing claim. My personal read on Emp at the moment is that your investigate can be trusted as far as any gunsmith can be trusted as I don't think anyone gakked with you last night.

Has David X claimed yet? That's where we're at in these proceedings (I still haven't read gak - so if he claimed prior to my replace in someone should let me know).

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@Xeras - So how many scumbuddies does he need to help us catch before you're willing to keep him around to near lylo?

Is he uber clear? Nah. Is he fairly unlikely mafia? Yeah, pretty much. What do you think of the SK possibilities?

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I don't think all power is properly accredited for currently, no.

If it's not a SK are you claiming there is one scum faction with different kill flavors and they shot themselves due to a town/Independent busdriver effect?

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Would you maybe like to wait until we at least get a claim of town/Indy Busdriver before you lynch a claimed town PR who has helped lynch three scum? If we get that claim I'm totally willing to back you on that one, but until then....eh.

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@Mastin - 6 scum (5 maf, 1 SK) vs. 14 town with 5+ PRs while Mafia get a Watcher, a RBer, and also have the SK as a threat? Sounds like we should take very little pride in stomping that weak arse mafia team into the ground, yeah?

@David - what type of scum are you claiming Oversoul as?

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Why did he delay so long in killing then? Clearly he was getting results, so he should have been capable of killing stuff.

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@Oversoul - have you done a concise post of all your action results? I'm kind of trying to piece it together and I can't find an easy answer - if it's out there could you link me/restate, and if it's not out there could you please provide it now?

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Interesting.
Okay, thank you. I may revisit this shortly.

@Mastin - looking forward to your thoughts on the game balance and the weak scum team.

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Yeah, I possess evidence that you were roleblocked Night 2. So it's interesting you received an investigation.
That said I'm curious to get a bit more of a read from Mastin as regards game balance since he's using it in his examples as a scumhunting tool. We'll revisit this later, now you can stop fishing.

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That seems like a non-sequitor to me.

Let's look at my last post and what I'm claiming;

"I possess evidence that you were roleblocked Night 2. So it's interesting you received an investigation."

No...I don't get the Foolish Fool part - could you clue me in?

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Wait - this is more role-fishing, right? I get confused by those sometimes.

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That's a very aggressive stance - I never even said whether or not I thought you were lying, and you also immediately jumped to the conclusion I was claiming roleblocker. Why so tense?

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@Mastin - 6 scum (5 maf, 1 SK) vs. 14 town with 5+ PRs while Mafia get a Watcher, a RBer, and also have the SK as a threat? Sounds like we should take very little pride in stomping that weak arse mafia team into the ground, yeah?

You got a better idea?

'Cause I really can't see anything else.

Wait, six scum? We've only have four scum flip. My my, do I detect a slip?

Sure.

But at that stage we're down to 5 total scum, one of them a SK versus 15 town with 5+ PRs? That's gakked up.

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Thor, I see you. -.-

I see you too...?

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I guess I've gotten enough of a twitch reaction out of you - I'm fascinated how little support you appear to have despite your lynches. I can, however, verify you're not mafia simply because you were roleblocked - though you were too twitchy to note that considering some of the gambit mafia case on you.

Claim: Voyeur

Night 1 - watched DX - he was jailkept
Night 2 - watched Oversoul - he was protected and roleblocked
Night 3 - watched redFF - he was tracked
Night 4 - watched Foolish Fool - he was nightkilled
Night 5 - watched Oversoul - no actions targeted him.

So - we have a tracker out there that we don't know about.
Oversoul is either doing a really weird gambit/lie about Night 2 or there was some sort of strange effect going on.
The Emp result is as trustworthy as any Oversoul result is.

I think Oversoul is highly unlikely mafia - else who is roleblocking him?
I think Oversoul will need consideration as regards Night 2 - though I'm not sure what sort of strange gambit is going down there.
Presence of the Tracker suggests town is grossly powered to the point I'm wondering what the opposition is, or one of the other PRs is not town.

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SK is definitely a Ninja then.

Why is that then?

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@Oversoul - how do you think you investigated while RBed when the JK wasn't on the RBer? Now that I'm more obv. town than Mastin maybe we can discuss this one.

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As long as you mean real life tomorrow and not game day tomorrow I'm fine with that.
You probably need time to work up the false claim anyway, so no rush

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@red - what is the epm case reasons, I don't feel I grok them. You're saying he's SK and Oversoul's results are bunk or what?

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Use your head - why would scum kill you *and* roleblock you?
Also, you were just talking about how the SK wasn't killing because he was JK or had his target blocked on Night 2 (amongst others) so...why is it suddenly an issue that proves he's a Ninja with my reveal?

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Couldn't BV have simply died because he was targeted for death by scum? If the RB you they can kill someone else - he was towny looking at that stage, yes/no?

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I didn't mean plan, I meant claim. What part don't you believe of his action claim?

1. The Tracker mention. If we're only dealing with a SK then we should have some confirmed innocents from a tracker.
2. The whole claim seems unlikely considering the rest of the set up.

So I'm scum because I'm aware of an unrevealed role? All that does is strengthen the likelihood that if I am scum I'm PR scum - which then begs the question why I'd lie about any of my reveals which is the heart of your issue with me. So...

@Oversoul - I'm still thinking there needs to be more to the scum team if you're town (and you're at least not mafia) and I'm town (derp). At that stage we're sitting at 6 town PRs with a possible 7th and the scum team is already all dead? Meh. I might buy that, but if that's the case the SK would have had to have been trying to kill all this time and just whiffing it nearly constantly.

@Mod - in games you run, if two separate kill flavors both kill the same target how do you then post the kill flavor at Daystart?

@redFF - if it makes you feel better I believe you're both unintelligent Wait...I missed the flow of that conversation, didn't I?

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So you'd like me to fish for a Tracker claim in order to verify myself? Because we could do that, but I see little gain in it at this juncture. Also, if I' scum, why would I play it that way? There was no heat on me and at *least* two lynches lined up in front of me - who am I fake-claiming to protect?

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@Emp - ooooh, I just got confirmed by Oversoul - so if I'm scum he's scum with me, the head asplodes, eh?

@Oversoul - good fakeclaim, it's got enough believability to mostly sell me. If mod is supposed to list both kill flavors we're really running out of explanations for all these missed SK kills, yeah?

@Mastin - I think I want to lynch Empy first, mostly for OMGUS, but also because he's flailing around more and I think DX's quiet self vote is selling me somewhat. Thoughts?

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He just verified he was roleblocked on the night I said he was roleblocked so...

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That's true, except I'm not Mafia, and this slot apparently didn't decide to call him out on the day it happened in order to protect scum he was fakeclaiming on and get the Gunsmith lynched?

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That makes sense though, Pine is the RBer and is valuable. All I'd do is claim, 'lol, Voyeur here, "gunsmith" is lying he was protected and roleblocked'
Look how much play came up today with one lie - he would have been an easy lynch on Day 2 for any half competent scumteam.

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Fair enough - I'm still town though.

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Guys, I know that tracker thing was pretty obvious, but does everyone have to keep mentioning it? We'll be getting PoE there soon enough as stands.

What's NS done beside be not a presence? Is this off his previous slot holder?
Why is David more likely than Emp - I've just got vague gut there but ::shrug::

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Oh shush you - you're still a fine lynch option.

Be proactive - who should we lynch? According to your vote it's you, so I'm willing to consider that more if you really wish, but...

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Also, didn't we say something earlier about redFF's reactions to being investigated didn't speak of someone who knew that OS was being roleblocked? He said things like, "Why did you investigate me" and later relied on OS's check as his defence, things I don't think scum would have done. His interactions with Otolia/Ironhead also don't seem to line up with scum.

I like this, let's call redFF obv. town - who does that leave us now that red, myself, and pig are obv. town, Overlord is obv. not mafia, and I'm vaguely against lynching Mastin?

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^^^
Though, actually, with SK hunting that's weaker - but SK hunting and with red tracked then tracker should be speaking if Red did jack all, otherwise red is also obv. not SK and should be off the list.

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That's off a Oversoul value call - he's at least unlikely SK though - because they were open planning JKs in that QT yes/no?
SK hunts suck as a lot of the clears we do have are relational clears to scum. Did Otolia ever claim any watch info?

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And pig - we have both mafia scum and SK scum currently - don't get confused about who is clear of what.

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Why NS/David?
Why is Emp cleared of SK because of Gunsmith investigation?

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1. Empking <--Gunsmith result.
2. Xeras <--Probably not scum since Iron was pushing his lynch pretty hard.\4. Nobody Special Vifam
5. Thor665 Lady Lambadelta BomberMan <--Voyear.
6. David Xanatos
7. Oversoul <--Gunsmith-Neighbor.
8. fatlikepig LTP Mafia <--Otolia interaction.
9. evilpacman18 <--Neighbor.
10. redFF <--Interactions.

See?

That actually does nothing to answer the question I asked. If you're looking for an SK easily half of that doesn't even apply. The only clear reason I see to stop suspecting Emp is if you think one of two things;
1. SK is not investigation immune to Gunsmith.
2. Oversoul is major consideration for SK to the point anyone he 'clears' has to be clear.

Don't make me feel like I'm talking to a wall - I get really rope happy around walls.

@Emp - because actually you're the only one who really went for the Tracker claim, and even if we want that to be a lynch worthy situation for me it should only happen after a mass claim or an advancement of game way closer to lylo than it is now. I'm claimed power with verifiable info that I only really could have had if I was either legitimate PR or mafia. So I'm guaranteed not SK unless I'm Voyeur SK, and there's a pretty solid pile of evidence that there isn't even mafia left alive. Whassup?

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So you're saying my 'mafia left alive' theory is more compelling than the question of what power stopped the last kill? Because that's what's killing my own 'mafia left alive' theory at the moment.
If that's true, and you believe I'm mafia, you better be at least willing to wait for me to announce who I want to lynch because I'd be the one person who knows exactly who the SK is since - unless you're claiming yet another RBer/protective role is in the game, it must be a NK immune SK that stopped my kill, yeah?

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I unluckily slipped by claiming a fake PR who, if he never showed up, would put me at pretty much assured lynch in lylo?
Yeah, pull the other one, there's bells on it.

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@Emp - I had a longer rebuttal, but I'm going to settle for making a raspberry noise instead. Let's point out one important facet here, there's no way you're getting me lynched today - but it would be exceedingly easy for me to get you lynched. So make a very nice, very pretty, very convincing 'This is why Thor is scum, Empking is sexy and brilliant, and everyone else is stupid' post and lay out the whole case.

Then go and actually start discussing the actual issues at hand today and stop wasting everyone's time.

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Excellent, now what are your reads for SK since I'm confirmed not SK and we are looking for an SK at the moment - do you support the David lynch off the JK, also, what's your read on mastin?

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Why is mastin clearly town?
Why do you think DX SK tried to kill you?

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If it's so obvious can't you just tell me? Otherwise I'm going to lynch him, and that would be bad I understand.

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If there is an additional mafia they either no killed, were stopped by another PR blocking/defensive role, or targeted the SK and the SK is bulletproof. So...possible, but I'm leaning unlikely.

@Emp - why is mastin obv. town?

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Tracker is likely town or 3rd party due to maf watcher - which is why redFF is basically conf. town. Even if you want to be Emp and go with the theory that Thor is mafia, he's still basically confirmed town then as well.

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Xeras?
Flipping Xeras was the NK?
The head asplodes.

Last scum is in the mostly thought of as conf. towns - discuss.

Also;

V/LA - Oct. 30 - Nov. 2

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@red - based off wifom last suspicions of Xeras, or something else?

Wasn't the case for epm not being scum that he was part of the neighborhood with the JKing actions - if he was SK wouldn't he have got kills through instead of being caught up via JKs?

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@mastin - redFF is actually also cleared of being SK due to my investigation (and if I'm scum I wouldn't lie, and if I'm SK he's still cleared, so - natch) If he's SK tracker would have seen him go somewhere. If tracker was town, tracker probably would have claimed by now, if tracker was mafia, wtflolomg w. mafia watcher - ergo tracker is likely SK, and possibly can track instead of kill...? Wild guess there.

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@mastin - why mafia tracker+watcher - wtf, yes?

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I agree town still looks strong but - scum tracker+watcher? That sounds unlikely just on the face of it.
You also were the one saying that we weren't overpowered So now that we agree Thor is more oftent han not right, let's keep going with my reads as I seem to get them about one game day prior to you.

Where would you put yourself on the SK chart?

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@mastin - if mafia are still alive why are mafia not killing?

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Negative on Mastin from gunsmith result.

So you're claiming that your limited shot is not 4x? Or did the jailkeep end up not counting against you? You confusalate me.

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Thor Smurf it you ruined my gambit. ._. Fat already fell for it too >_>

What did you see as the purpose of your gambit?
I'd also left you some potential outs to it if you'd wanted to keep pressing - but since I'd checked mastin last night I was hardly going to let that just magically slide by.

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Oversoul & Mastin: Can you ask any Tracker to come out, please.

don't really like this

Eh, it makes reasonable sense as a town hunting on me as scum with the belief that I am dumb enough scum to claim a role exists that doesn't exists and/or am scum faking my claim when it is yet unknown if anyone else is out there targeting effects who also could prove me a liar. So, basically he thinks I'm either stupid scum or...stupider scum, which is slightly annoying but the fishing comes from a perceptible town concept - though I think it's fairly clear we've got a tracker who isn't pro town which, basically all that does is roughly clear you. Why Emp wants to lynch me to confirm rough clear you is beyond me as he's failed to present any case on me that doesn't involve my claim, who knows.

Vote: mastin

Why isn't he the SK again? He's making experience cases to clear people but lists me as a suspect still because...Thor isn't experienced? The hell?

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We can call it omgus if you'd like - why isn't he SK, because he wouldn't do those kills? Is that the extent of the logic to clear him? Because that gives me higher likelihood to not be SK, and redFF as well, all without some of mastin's silliness. I just want this question seriously addressed - I think SK is capping questionables because SK isn't a questionable.

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but he's a really good player, with the experience to know what to do, so it's not him.

Ergo - those you suspect lack these traits - as they are the only listed reasons you are clearing Emp for.

So, if your defense is 'I wouldn't kill these people' who do you think would? I see very little value in the SK kills outside of killing things that look scummy - and if SK was a Vig we would know by now so either SK is totally pants on head, or SK is in the relatively assured towns and can't afford to start shooting them yet.

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Theory belief that he wouldn't have been gakked up by JKer multiple nights with inside track to JK info.

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@Oversoul
@evilpacman - how open was the JK coversation - Oversoul was an early open claim, yes? What about Hoppy?

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Tell him I'll omgus him next, that will scare him into action.
Don't tell him I said it.

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{redFF, NS} are almost interchangeable with nullness.

redFF is interchangeable with nullness?

You have a Gunsmith saying he has no gun.
You have a Voyeur saying that an unclaimed Tracker followed him and hasn't said boo.

The only way he's scum of any stripe is if he's an SK who detects negative to Gunsmith *and* that Mafia has a tracker in addition to their Watcher.
Or - one/both of Oversoul and I are scum - which basically *increases* red's town liklihood.

Head, extract from buttocks please, yeah?

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Have you, at any point, read anything prior to your replacing in? Just curious.

In general? Yes.
In this game? Not at all, I probably have gone back and read a handful of posts, but if those posts are more than 10 I would be shocked.

@Oversoul - if you like mastin's list would you like to tell me where I went wrong with my opinion as regards redFF? I think he's in a totally silly position. If we pull him out and replace his name with Mastin, and then stick red back in somewhere...oh...let's say below Empking or so, then the list might start to resemble remotely good. As stands - not so much. Thoughts?

EBWOP - I now officially support a NS lynch more than I did before. Unless he's angling for fat = SK that's a pretty meh wagon.

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Ninja SK is the SK in this game. NO WAY it isn't with a tracker, watcher, and a voyeur... I am being paranoid here. I am willing to give red the benefit of the doubt, but he played right into my bait insult yesterday.

Eh, if you believe that then *I* shouldn't be so high on that list, as if we have ninja SK then it really only works if I'm legit at least as far as PR goes, and if I'm legit for that than Tracker exists which would support Ninja SK possibility but either way something about that list is pretty gakked up. Why do you support it?

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I'm certainly willing to believe the name has meaning to the setup but by the sheer dint of the name it's sort of built to frell with you in figuring it out.

Let's see we have;

Even Night Vig
Bodyguard
Jailkeeper
Jack of All Trades (cop/doc/watcher - I forget if I'm pegging this right but I think those were his claims)

vs.

Mafia Roleblocker
Mafia Watcher

Wild Cards;

Gunsmith
Voyeur
Tracker

At least two kill flavors, both having to do with linguistic foibles.

I don't see any brilliant theme there - I mean cracking Mirror Mafia was easy as heck (even if no one listened to me about how derpy obvious it was) and Tricycle wasn't too rough either. But what have we here? Multiple track/watch tech...whoo-hoo, I see no connection to oxymorons there except maybe insomuch as there is a certain replication theme going on. Two roleblocking effects, meh. I *guess* the Even Vig is sort of the oddball - it's a bit odd insomuch as we don't appear to have an Odd night...anything.

From my own perspective I might go out on the limb for...odd night tracker? The thing is I'd want tracker to be SK for personal sanity's sake and his kills don't seem to follow through with that as much of a brilliance.

An Oxymoron is, by definition a figure of speech with a contradiction of terms, it can still make sense, it just sometimes can have hidden humor to the meaning or be intentionally disjointed for effect.
It's spelled oddly here insomuch as OxyMoron is incorrect, I'll tend to believe it's not a derp type by our dear mod and consequently there is probably some slight deeper meaning there (we all have bad skin and are morons is all I'm getting).

Does Oblivious often have the names of his games have relevance to them? If not, than this is basically meaningless, if so then I'm lost and...well, it's probably meaningless again because there's no clear pattern that suggests anything.
Also - what are your thoughts about me needling on that redFF placement on your list - it's a terrible placement, please justify it.

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Hurm, random possible thought - the Neighbors could be the oxymoron - town with scum with...SK? That would be contradictory things placed together - it could work without the SK in the mix, natch, but it would be thematic to some degree.

I still don't get where all the SK kills went in the first few days though, even besides that thought.

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@fat - claim targets please.

Seriously people, why was this not already pressed?

@Oversoul - Red is only SK if SK is Ninja. Also, mastin is practically conf. town? How? Seriously, I feel like I keep running into a wall on this one.

Unvote: Mastin2
Vote: Nobody Special

We need more reactions to stronger wagons.

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Empking is probably town

Actually, explain this one to me too - he's felt as useless as NS to me.

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I thought commuters were the ones who switched targets.

Sigh - to the Wiki!

Oh, okay, untargetable, and he chose not to do it because there was a Gunsmith and...bleh...whatevs. Silly not to use it to my mind, Gunsmith or no, whatever, I don't really have a strong urge to lynch him right now anyway.

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@Emp - why do you think people should have a town read on you? Have you done much of anything to promote solid scumhunting in your opinion?

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@Emp - why do you think people should have a town read on you? Have you done much of anything to promote solid scumhunting in your opinion?

Loads of it.

Could you provide me your current reads on everyone please?

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I refuse to read any of Mastin's fake bad write cause lol-tired posts. I've been legitimately crazy tired - I can still type with a minimum of errors. He's playing it up for...reasons. I hate it, he is still in lynch list for that alone.

@evilpacman - why you no claim targets/results yet?

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I'll insert my grumbling at that fatlikeapig lynch here - if I'd been around that gak would not have gone down as easy. The heck guys?

I'm mildly surprised pacman was scum - though he was being useless so probably the egg is on my face (and Oversoul's if he's town) on that one.

@mastin - fair to midland though I think you always think you're more clever than you are and usually take you with a handful of sodium an consider it a wise move. Why, what's your magical obvious certainty today?

@Oversoul - I'm in multiple games with him currently and I think my mind is muddled - why is NS less likely SK than mastin now? I thought yesterday mastin was your sweet, sweet lover. Has NS been cleared by something I forgot, or did mastin do something gakky I missed?

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Oversoul isn't conf. town. He's conf. not mafia - do try to keep up.
I'm the conf. town unless you all think I'm Watcher/Voyeur SK still (Emp? )

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I've already stated my thoughts on that.
I could buy it.

So you're saying the SK killed the tracker who tracked you in order to frame you?

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Basically everyone voting you - reading between the lines.
Why, what did you think the case on you was? I must have missed it.

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I claimed the tracker tracked you - are you really reading so iffy that you're not even noting in claims when you're listed as the target of a power?
What do you think the case on you is? (I'm about to vote you just for being a brick wall at this stage).

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@Oversoul - I blame the mod choosing red as his base color.

So, by your stated Tracker info.

Why is Empking so high on your suspect list considering the track?

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By that logic the SK is me or NS. That's not square one.

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Why are you voting an uncertainty and not the person you "know" is the SK?
Seriously now...

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@Mastin - no, I don't trust you.

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@Mastin - town - no, everything else follows from that. With it being you I could still see this gak coming from town, but this is anti-town play and if it was 80% of other players I'd be voting them already.

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I'm not sure what's funnier, mastin's strategy or the fact it apparently works.

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For the record I personally think redFF is more likely town than you, mastin, so I wouldn't mind hearing it either.

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Why not mastin then Emp? I'm actually pretty neutral on the Emp case too, frankly.

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@Mastin - you remember a few *game days* ago when I said scum were in the conf. towns? Yeah, you don't get to call me dense - seriously.

I'm going to sleep on that case, I'll be back with some thoughts later.

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Uf da! Now my head hurts.

[Thor665]

@Mod - V/LA 13-17. To be perfectly honest there will probably be some posting both 13 and 17, but last time some mods were prodding me toot quick so I'm declaring a longer one to avoid that and keep my mellow mood if I'm slow getting back

I'll also apologize, the walls are hurting my soul and basically I want Emp, mastin, and Oversoul all sorta dead now just from a vague scattergun feel of problem solving.

@Oversoul
@Mastin

What happened to NS? Weren't one/both of you pushing that one? Now he's near the top of both of your towny lists, what'd I miss/forget?

I'll try to throw some time at this tonight and stop being so fail.

[Thor665]

Oh yeah, I remember that one. Meh, actually i don't really buy into slips in a general sense for the most part anyway, but, sure, he can be town for now, it's funnier anyway.